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They aren’t talking about any specific type of suffering. It can be emotional, existential, or any other kind. Ultimately suffering is eradicated by living in a higher state of consciousness. Once in a state like what some awakened people might have made permanent for themselves, likely through meditation, I was taking a shit at my friend’s house. His bathroom smells like a rancid overdose of cat shit as he always leaves them closed in that room. Instead of experiencing suffering due to perceiving this smell as bad, I actually could kind of enjoy the aroma. I had no more judgment around it. It was merely a sensation like anything else. Higher states of consciousness = more love and acceptance for experience/existence, especially those things you wouldn’t normally tolerate at a regular level of consciousness.

Why suffer unnecessarily? The only reason people suffer is because they have not awakened to the reality of who they are. They chase after happiness in a transient world that, by its very nature, can never deliver what they want. The look for security in insecurity. They crave love, without realizing that their essential nature is love. It's important to distinguish between suffering and pain. An enlightened person is as vulnerable to pain, dissolution, and death as any other human being. But they no longer suffer, because instead of denying reality, they realize and embrace it. The quality of their existence and their interactions with others is more refined. Their love is unconditional, and that makes all the difference.

@Leo Gura Ok, let's use that analogy to say that we are in a dream where we believe this dream is all there is. But isn't waking up the process of realizing that there is more to reality than the dream we were in? In the same way, I am in the dream now saying that there is more to reality than this dream I am. If there is no reality beyond this dream, then there is no waking up. You cannot be awakened without being first a dreamer. What is lucid dreaming without the context of a dream and a reality? If life is only a dream, then what is the context of waking up? I am restating my point in the hope that I am making sense because it is difficult to explain. I am basically trying to go from being a bubble to becoming the entire sponge. From that analogy, I got that the sponge represents the external world or the entirety of the universe and each of the bubbles represents the infinite perspectives, dreams, or consciousnesses within the universe's existence. In other words, the sponge is the holder of all of the perceptual bubbles in the same sense that the circle holds the yin and the yang together. The sponge analogy to me seems to suggest that there are other worlds contained within the field that are outside of my experience while at the same time being connected to my experience. This suggests to me that there is "an imaginary" "external world" that has all the bubbles contained for which I am only conscious of experiencing each one at a time. It really feels like there is more to this world than my own perceptions, which is also the same thing as me saying in my dream that I think there is more to life than what I am experiencing (which of course is a correct assumption; hence, waking up). If there was nothing, but the dream, then what does it really mean to "wake up?" Are we just waking up to another dream? If that is the case, then it wouldn't really be waking up. Having a lucid dream has to have the context of a reality vs. a dream. Otherwise, it would be just a pure dream with no context of a "waking up." Thanks for your time.

Hello awakened peeps! I noticed a pattern that everytime i go into non dual awareness, I get sucked back into duality and get identified with the body again. This happened about 3 times now, each time its always the body that i attach too. how can i stop attaching to the body? its like i can be either inside or outside of nothing. if i am inside of nothing, i am inside but attached to the body, which is nothing, but now is something due to the identification if that makes sense lol. but when i am outside of nothing, it is literally nothing. And no im not high hahahaha just meditated my ass off this month any advice on how to fix that would be kewl! ❤️

That's my instinct. I see them as potentially dangerous distractions from the path of enlightenment. For Sadhguru to have a restricted, commercial forum discussing these things makes me suspicious. He wouldn't be the first guru, awakened or not, to fall for material attachments.

I like Sadhghuru and resonate with his essential teachings. There is a reason he restricts his more radical teachings to a specialized group. Personally, I find no value in some esoteric explorations, at this stage of my spiritual journey. I don't discredit them, I simply don't see them as helpful for my spiritual growth. The Buddha did not teach most of what he knew. He intentionally restricted his teachings to the dharma, or the spiritual path out of suffering and into enlightenment. Siddhis are supernatural powers and abilities, which some are naturally capable of, and which can be developed through practice. From my perspective, they can be dangerous unless someone is truly awakened, because they tend to amplify the ego. It is easy to fall into the trap of feeling special when one is gifted in a particular siddhi. Specialness is the sword of the ego. As long as you are awakened, I see no problem with practicing them, since you realize that all powers, all forms, and all manifestations ultimately derive from the One.

The word desire means something different to each person, just like the word love. While I don’t per se disagree, I don’t find it precise to say desire arises post awakening. There is ultimately nothing to desire, as the fuel of desire is actually holon activity of an a part unknowingly pursuing it’s own wholeness, which it believes is not already the actuality. In that specific regard, desire is delusional. Desire in a way is no more than a misinterpretation of self, love, creation, and role in it. How could some thing be desired in a dream when the “thing” is me, the dream? It ‘dies’ with the limiting misidentification as human and the paradigm of separate physical things. It was never ‘wrong’, it was natural, because, infinite being is absolutely innocent. I could not in good conscience ‘blame’ a thirty year old for desire anymore than I could a two month old. It’s natural, yet not justifiable, hence the discord, and shaming individuals is never the way, and is always the expression of one’s own internalizing & holding of shame. Law of attraction could be said to be the turning point. From desire of ‘things’ without, to the recognition of the wholeness, and the source of all ‘things’, within. Reactionary behaviors & choices, as well as victim mindsets, etc, which could be rationalized via desire are scrutinized when one is said to be attracting one’s own experience. This inevitably brings one to inspect one’s own intentions & desires. It could be said that the awakened one is fueled with desire in spreading the message, which I’d be fine with. But I think upon more scrutiny that experience is simply sharing this love, and one in doing so is truly empowered, with inspiration, passion and joy. When the lens of loa really is worn, when it is seen I create my suffering, and without it joy is the default, this is seen to be true for all others. Very eye opening in regard to world views, religions, wars, politics, etc. The entire landscape lens changes. How creating our dream reality works... (goes & gets pedestal). The “answer” at the end of the day, is God, which is to say the question too, is God. The ‘catch’ is of course, we’re God, and not-two. The word perhaps ain’t nobody tryin ta hear, is responsibility. The experience of reality prioritizes itself. Care for the body mind and then outward. One aligns, one get’s one head on straight, one abides by the heart, one get’s one’s immediate environment aligned, and one then does or doesn’t, continue creating one’s reality in the realization one is nondual, everyone, the whole show. This natural unfolding of experience for an individuation, is the exact same unfolding for the multiplicity, the whole, or collective, co-creating. My ‘radical idea’ to contribute here is most simple. A community such as this creates a website which has a democratically created outline of acceptable parameters for a company. Could be ceo makes X$ in comparison to the entry level $. Could be x% of environmental impact. Could entail timelines to reach these parameters. Could have a ‘on probation’ warning facet. Otherwise, it’d have simply two columns, companies which meet these parameters and we buy from them, and companies which don’t and we don’t. I believe companies would be interested to be in the ‘we do’ column. Competition is to fierce and too fast to sleep on it. People might like this, because people work for companies, and are in large part getting fucked over every which way they turn. But the majority has the power, always. We’re all creating this, always. It’s an idea that arose from your question, it’s not perfect, like any idea, it’s a contribution. For the record, I would never, ever, commit suicide, and there is no logical reason to utilize the middle name of someone in media, should I be murdered by them. Feelin the love, thanks. Soon. If you’re interested you can get notified when it’s done.

Best way to 'help the world' is to become awakened. The turmoil in the world is a reflection of the turmoil within, as you are God and one with everything. So the answers are within, not out there.

@Mosess you're wanting a non-dual experience which lasts longer before you're 'sucked back into duality'? It may not be what you want to hear, but my suggestion is patience. Keep practicing, gratefully accept what you already have, and that the process is working in just the right way. Out of interest, how long have you been going? PS I'm not claiming to be awakened, so feel free to ignore me lol

@Girzo Even if they're short at first, I think you may always be able to go back to the awakened state or stay in it as long you wish right? With psychedelics when you trip you can't function normally and in any case have to keep dosing to stay at that awakened state of consciousness.. doesn't seem sustainable...

@OBEler This is uncanny. I recall you mentioning this before, and since then I had a session with a female who was also a victim of rape, bullying, and who also lost her groove, her LP mojo, and was years into suffering. She awakened in one session. If she is interested in talking, the link is in all my posts. Respect the inner kyra, and leave it to her (don’t request the session for her, let her decide, and take the action or not). Godspeed, take care of yourself. ?

Unimaginably more conscious, I can be in a peaceful thought-less, clear state of mind, almost all the time, all thanks to Self-enquiry, meditation, Kriya Yoga. I was emotionaly numb, zombie like person depressed as fuck almost in my entire life. These practices saved me from getting to a shitty suicidal state caused by those strong sadness and depression So i was like this till the last year which i couldn't survive the suffering anymore so i watched all the Leo's spiritual videos, and a door to a whole new world opened to me. Ps: Self-enquiry was the most amazing, effective, life changing practice among them for me which awakened me and opened my eyes to see my true self.

The above Story is an incomplete story. Is there anyone who can complete it? Here is some of the story I know after that: So That Lion is still suffering even after awakening because he has got the glimpse and knowledge that He is Lion but deeply he is not able to become a real Lion. That Lion wants to come out of suffering and live an awakened life in all kinds of situations but He doesn't know how to reprogram his conditioning which he got in his whole life through his birth. After awakening now He needs reconditioning and training so just not know that he is a lion instead he can become a lion and live a life of a lion not of a sheep. Now that lion (sheep) is wandering around for help. What do you think? How can he become a lion instead of just knowing that truth? Thanks

It is actually pretty darn simple It is just another mind body Another self defender etc No need for those ideas For those realms He himself kinda is confused clearly Being mad at what he's creating y Mad at his own imagination ish This is very very absurd ish Another one like me kinda Another body mind entity Another patty entity This is so weird So darn weird He is imaginable in all those ways He also mirrors my expectation This can be a fun journey tho It kinda means that to me It is another feslegen ish Another reactive ing ish And it can be enjoyed It is my own thought My own view kinda He is indicating to me also in a sense He is not awakened like that also There is no such awakening No such enlightenment Same thing in a sense Hurting mode kinda Oneness of being Alignment etc In that sense Imaginary Clearly Darryl Being Imagination yet in its own being ish Individual and me also in a sense Kinda like ozge in a sense No need to know them That's not the point The darn etc point They are myself My own focus Inside ish It is so y They can be like parallel versions y Parallel and infinite imaginings y Parallel olympos beings kinda My expectations in a sense These are my own minds Parallel awareness meh Vortexverse maybe Amongst infinity Endless ideas Vibrations Digging y

For years I've had a interest in working with Spirit guides. Of course when I started out I believed that spirits were separate beings than myself.. now I see them as nothing more than fellow dream characters. Entities outside of the personal dream self, yet one with THIS (dream). Completely self, yet separate. Just as it should be, to keep things interesting. Being dream characters does not belittle their importance, in any way. They are guides, after all. Whether they were created just for me (dream self character) , or I'm merely a drop their cosmic bucket, it does not matter. THIS dream is filled and populated to the brim. The character stands in relation to all else. If a dream character can come to me in the form of a spirit guide and enrich my life in any possible way, I would gladly welcome it. I have a little practice connecting with Spirit guides from dabbling with it for a few years. I took a long break and I'm now connecting with that again. But it's nice because I'm coming back with it with fresh eyes, because before I really did not understand what Spirit guides were. (and am willing to admit that I possibly still don't) As far as names go, I believe names are just for fun with Spirit guides. The essential connection with a spirit is by their energy /vibration /aura /etc, rather than by what they are called. You can't name the nameless. But since I am not attuned with feeling various energies, it's helpful to appoint a name to the spirit guide so that you can invoke their presence in the future. Whether I pick the name, or they pick the name, or if it really even matters at all , I don't know. We're ALL and ONE continuum. So while hiking this morning, and after a small bit of strong Marijuana, I connected with a guide named Josh. I said okay, let me touch your energy so that I can emulate it. Not wanting to be a leech and to have practice connecting energies. We began thinking about gods in terms of the dream. There was the usual bibble babble: the gods are one... the gods are many... Humans would appear as gods to a newly awakened animal... I got lost in a stream of thought, which ended upon 'the gods are superfluous.' (actually at this point I'm not sure if talking about the gods, or THIS God, but) I'm like okay Josh, I'm not that smart, slow down. So I pulled out my phone and looked up the definition. su·per·flu·ous /so͞oˈpərflo͞oəs/ adjective unnecessary, especially through being more than enough. Just thought that was a funny description lol. But the truth is I didn't exactly hear 'superfluous' because that word turns out to not even be pronounced the way it came to me in my mind, and the word sounded longer. Also the impression I got while receiving the word was of how 'the gods' are fluid. hence I was pronouncing superfluous as 'super-floo-us' until my husband corrected me later. So I went back to Google and let the word prediction help me out. I found superfluidity, which more matches the word I heard, and also has an interesting description in relation to THIS : su·per·flu·id·i·ty /ˌso͞opərˌflo͞oˈidədē/ noun the property of flowing without friction or viscosity And another description further down : When stirred, a superfluid forms vortices that continue to rotate indefinitely. Hopefully I can connect with Josh again... That was fun ?

No honey i am using that i, to have cool experience like making awakened folks go rehtoric. ? anyway i dont want leo or mods to close this thread for getting low. im out ❤

Oracle Deck 2 1. Earth Star Chakra. Initiation 2. Root Chakra. Ground and center 3. Sacral chakra. Core of creation 4. Solar plexus chakra. Radiant illumination 5. Heart Chakra. Back to love. 6. High Heart Chakra. Ecstatic bliss 7. Throat chakra. Express your truth 8. Third Eye chakra - pineal perspective 9. Crown chakra. The unlimited self 10. Soul star chakra. Emerging with the divine. 11. Aether. The seamless unspeakable. 12. Water. The overflow 13. Air. Paradigm shift. 14. Earth. Nurture. nature. 15. Solaris sublime. 16. Loving compassion 17. Awakened Awareness 18. Alignment 19. Balanced forces 20. Beyond the mind 21. Communication co-creation 22. Crystal keys 23. Endless Opportunities 24. Evolution 25. Freedom 26. Full Spectrum 27. Furred and feathered friends. 28. Gracious Receptivity 29. Harmonic flight 30. Healing 31. Home 32. Internal Explorer 33. Journey to Wholeness 34. Life force Energy 35. Lumin Essence. 36. Manifestia. 37. Mount Shasta 38. New Blueprints. 39. Our Ancient future 40. Radical Expansion 41. Realm Bridger 42. Reclaim your energy 43. She of the lotus 44. Shine your light 45. Starseed elemental 46. Star seer 47. Stepping through 48. Surrender 49. The infinite 50. The portal keeper 51. The sound of the universe. 52. The violent flame 53. Transformation 54. Trust your innocence 55. Unique gifts 56. Vulnerability.

I think it can be helpful for some people. It clearly was helpful for me, and what I learned from them is still helpful to me. I just agree with Mooji and Rupert Spira in the sense that one does not need them to experience oneness. I don't think it is necessary. And I even think it can be placebo kinda. There are some experiments that indicate this idea and my own experiences as well. They in my opinion help with taking you deep into your self and show you who you are, that you are the self. But I definitely think that we don't need drugs to be who we already are. I think that it is like teachers, like taking some lsd and being like in the presence of an awakened being. Maybe it is because something like those drugs having their own like consciousnesses which you can like resonate with when you take the substance.

So, I am obviously on the spiritual path to enlightenment and Truth. I started this path probably like most of you; I wanted to know the Truth and I wanted to transcend suffering. Leo has said in the past, the entire idea of transcending suffering is selfish. Therefore, is this somewhat counterintuitive.. Am I missing something? I want to live a fearless life with no regrets.. but I'm afraid. Logically I know this life/ego will die but I'm so attached. I can recognise that I do things for my survival at a metaphysical level, but I'm still anxious/ fearful alot of the time. I can't seem to transcend this anxiety. Has anyone overcome this at the root level. And I'm talking, completely awakened and become so conscious that it no longer bothers them? Have I not done enough spiritual work? Am I completely missing the point?

@Johnathan Gautam careful not to turn this into a belief less you become lost in your own mind. Do the work then come back and let us know how you feel when you have awakened. - God

@Flyboy Not knowing seems to be important. Infinity is tricky, its like... Imagine living 7 lifes... boooooring too long. Total awakening is ungraspable perhaps out of God's self love idk. I don't fully believe anyone has 'fully' awakened or become God. There are many awakenings. I still don't have enough self trust to trust myself or my understanding of others and the nature of reality. I am accepting I don't understand it despite lots of trips. It is the ungraspable.

Whenever one fights or opposes something, it only makes what one is fighting more powerful. In the Fourth Way it’s stated as - To oppose second force increases second force.iME, this is what Red Hawk was getting at, in the quote I put up above. As humans, we have the tendency to either dismiss, explain away, or make excuses for our discontinuity of consciousness. It might be called a change of moods or perhaps the activation of a sub personality, the result of temporary stress, etc.,, Terence McKenna pretty much dismissed the contemporary diagnoses of schizophrenia. In a roundabout way, his view aligns with a core element of the Gurdjieff Teaching. Earlier in this journal I metaphorically labeled myself as a ship of fools. This metaphor I borrowed from Robert Deropp, a biochemist of the early 20th century and student of Ouspensky. He authored a book about the path to higher consciousness and enlightenment called The Master Game which became a classic in the early 1970’s. The Fourth Way teaches that we’re more fractured psychologically than the majority of contemporary psychologists and academia will allow. Transpersonal psychologist Charles Tart coined the phrase “cultural consensus trance” . A beautiful description of the result of the fracturedness prevalent in modern humans which creates the collective ego This element of fracturedness is susinctly delineated in an article written by Ralph Losey called The Problem of the Subtle Sybil effect. http://www.lawsofwisdom.com/course-overview/opening-statement/the-problem-of-the-subtle-sybil-effect/ It’s very difficult to change our habits but it is possible to transform our habits of mechanical behavior over time. It’s why in the Work, it is advised to not try and change ourselves but to just objectively observe. This observation will allow Conscience to awaken through remorse. Remorse of Conscience will make transformation of our mechanical behaviors much more possible than the route of self criticism, blame and guilt. It makes our transformation of lower self and lower chakra energies a conscious endeavor by way of awakened conscience. Awakened conscience is the same in everyone unlike acquired conscience which changes over time and from culture to culture. Awakened conscience is called by some, the intelligence of the universe. Jesus Christ and the Buddha taught non-violence and forgiveness through letting go and not judging or keeping accounts. The path of awakened conscience. By awakening, we leap out of our graves, as Ocke deBoer humorously puts it. Awakened people are not over burdened with false seriousness, they’re light hearted.

Earlier tonight, I had my first awakening, ever, of The Self. That's new to me. Before this, I've only known about it and understood it in theory, since I've already awakened to no-self and have had many Samadhi experiences with it, and due to the fact that both types are identical in non-duality. I've awakened to multiple facets consecutively, but I'm not sure about labelling them correctly. I'll try to list all the differences & similarities that I've noticed between the two types of awakening: Perhaps the most important and clear difference between the two is that with no-self awakenings, there's no self to experience anything. So, awakening occurs, but there's no self to register that it's an awakening. It happens without a perceiver so to speak. It feels empty. And you only realize it was an awakening in retrospect when you think about it later. The Self awakening, however, has an Omnipresence component in it. You're there, and you become completely present that your awareness extends beyond the human experience. You know that it's an awakening during too, and not only afterwards. Self awakening is an awakening to the everythingness of reality, while no-self is an awakening to the empty container of the illusion. I am everywhere vs. I am nowhere. I am everything vs. I am nothing. Of course, these dualities collapsed during the awakening. Both carry the sense of ultimate peace within them, aka Samadhi experience. Peaceful fearlessness. Everything is me. I don't even exist. What is there to fear? The path towards no-self awakenings is different from the path towards Self awakenings. Recently, I started embracing the ego instead of trying to diminish it. I think that's what yielded in my awakenings tonight. The recent events that have been happening to me and how I have been reacting to them, I've faced all of that directly tonight. And I was able to overcome and transcend it. While in no-self awakenings, there's no facing of events or fears or anything. Instead, they're more about direct letting go, kinda like bypassing, but not really bypassing cuz there's a progress being made. Both aren't just temporary states of consciousness. They're actual awakenings that can be locked down permanently, with spiritual work. The awakening experience fades away, but it leaves marks. I use the word awakening for the things that can be permanently obtained, realistically. There is definitely progress regarding these awakenings, as opposed to "infinite love awakenings" or what I call: Narcissistic Delusions (which I have personally experienced naturally, in different facets, at different times, and for prolonged periods of time). I used the quotation marks to highlight the fact that these "awakenings", as great and healing as they may feel, but they're just temporary states of consciousness that cannot ever be locked down permanently. They're simply elated emotional states. They don't have an absolute truth component to them because they're limited to the human condition. They have the component of Omniscience, which is utterly delusional. While none of that applies to Self and no-self awakenings. And still, Self and no-self awakenings have healing properties, because of the accompanying Samadhi experience.

@Thought Art I was not answering the question. Just because first there are no persons and second or you are awake or asleep there aren't degrees. Each morning you don't say I don't know if I'm awake or not. Knowing this understanding of the question, I answered what the person that was asking desired to be answered. The person who embodied more divine powers and was awake. He wasn't interested in his wisdom, just in what was showing to the world, I asume because he also wants to be "a person awakened" and then be a powerful person in that superior state of awakening. Understanding all this, just gave him what he wanted. But if you ask me, there is no difference between an awakened being and an asleep being, rather than the one that himself belives to be in; that doesn't add anything to Unity.

@The_Alchemist Because you are blind and are asuming what people should do or not do when they see. Until you see, you won't understand. Lot's of saints, after a full awakening they keep living, they don't see any problem in people being awakened or not. It's the divine plan, they love all existance so much that they wouldn't change anything. Again, apes without hair tend to assume a lot about things they don't know. Just watch scientist talk about what was before the big bang. So please be more humble, because by all that are here, it is seen that spirituality in you is just an egotistical desire. It is just another form of masturbation, while thinking you are waking up you are only getting more and more asleep. That is why you are getting all this answers. So please, I encourage you to take seariously the pathless path, be humble, be kind and do not only understand at a mental level: because if only you experienced a glance of all what u talk with that much confidence you would turn crazy. Be humble, be kind, be loving. Have a nice day!