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When Ramana Maharshi got cancer his followers tried to get doctors to come look at him to heal him. His response was something along the lines of: "Who cares? It's just a body." When you are that awake you literally don't give a fuck about anything. No condition of life is better than any other. An fully awakened person cannot die. He is conscious forever, regardless of what happens to his body. So losing the body makes no difference.

@Leo Gura I would have no chance of knowing what you were talking about if not I had awakened to the same truth myself. From the perspective of "absolute truth" there is no person trying to teach another person something. There is just infinity being infinity describing infinity to infinity through a human body. Finding an awakened interviewer is where things could get real fun. A conversation like this one:

Im whatching The Gray video and on 11:01 you said they gave you a hint in your crown chakra! Well! I got it too hehehe Always, when I have this hint, I know that shit is going to go down! Yesterday I awakened In a sleep. I got wiped out! And before that I heared voices "he is not ready" I always intuitively knew that it is trying to tell me something, but I wasn't open for that possibility. Also, I had conversations with God. I am God. But it was communication between lower consciousness God with questions and higher consciousness God with answers. He told me(i told myself) what is next for me. Lets get back to research ? My khundalini and crown chakra is going crazyyy hehehe Its telling me Yeeees! We are heree! I got the chills! Its about to go down! ?

The “poem” starts at 4:34. Mania in Bipolar Disorder- Defining My Experience with Mania This is just here to show you an important part of “my” memories which exist in my direct experience currently. This is certainly real to me as an awakening experience might be to you if we’re speaking dualistically. I’ve had many awakenings separate from this, and I must say that these are endogenous or natural mechanisms for a radically higher state of consciousness. It is the internal entheogen. It takes its host to a state so different it may be considered a significant ego death. This affects baseline levels of consciousness for months or even years if unattended. In most cases though, the condition will be attended to in some way. The individual will not sustain the radical nature of activity beyond a certain level of survival threshold needs. Eventually there will be a force from inside or your community or both pushing you to contain this state of consciousness. People who are peaceful enlightened gurus are not some ideal. Consciousness is raw. It’s often threatening to the ego or mostly collective ego/community ego. You can’t allow true expressive consciousness into society. Madness cannot rule. It would produce a reality so different than you’re capable of accepting. I guarantee if I existed in a state of true madness the entire world would turn against me. If I expressed that pure form of consciousness which is an inherent quality to reality itself, it is so much of a primary shadow anchor point that the shadow of nearly every human being would align against me. To become truly mad is one of your greatest fears whether you are conscious of it or not. The light in you wants to love and accept and include, but madness requires such an open and awakened heart to accept that one must be enlightened before acceptance of this quality of reality can even be possible. Your light must be immense to truly hold and become that part of reality. This isn’t to say people with mental illness have an advantage. We have ego-backlash from fear of our shadow worse than anyone when we see our shadow. Most bipolar 1 manics become traumatized by each experience. Life is essentially a permanent trauma between peaks of consciousness and depths of consciousness which are so jarring and disorienting it leaves you in a wounded state after each experience. Your suffering becomes so immense than you will either take steps to awaken or you will die. This is the whole source of mania. It’s the body and ego’s survival mechanism to overcome depression/suffering. It works well temporarily. Just how adrenaline might work well temporarily to save the body and ego. Eventually adrenaline will damage as mania does. PTSD is the life of a bipolar person. So many intimate parts of yourself and your shadow have been exposed to the public. This just pushes you further and further into spirituality. It’s the only coping mechanism that works. The ego has become addicted to killing itself as a form of inner purification. This allows one to stretch into so many new directions.

If theres anything I've learned from this journey is that humans will be humans which means they'll always have blindspots no matter how many times they have "awakened" Chew the meat spit out the bones, you must learn to be your own guru.

A close friend of mine does art like that as well, but he displays a lot of the characteristics of zen devilry (just like Connor Murphy right now), so maybe Naoto is awakened or maybe not, but just about any moderately talented artist can paint trippy animals with third eyes and colorful mushrooms but that don't mean they are truly awakened.

I am not saying it does, I am merely interested in what creations spawn from awakened individuals. And considering the nature of this forum, either all questions are foolish, or they are not. You recommended me Naoto Hattori, I am asking why you think she/he fits my criteria. I did a google search and all I find is her/his art, but no bios or anything related to spirituality.

Define awakened. One way of seeing, is the clarity of an artist with a profound connection with being, often beyond understanding the nature of the connection, only channeling it. All true creativity arises from Consciousness. I love Vincent Van Gogh and Michelangelo, whose works have resonated deeply. More than syrup for the masses, their creations are Conscious art.

The idea of Jesus as an idol comes because it is widely accepted that he was some sort of a more awakened avatar of God/divine/unknowable and a powerhouse when it comes to goodness of character. Like a great example and something to strive for/aim for on a personal level. There must be something more special about that avatar for us to have completely changed everything and even start counting the years from His birth. It would not be 21st century without Christ, reality would be so different even for these small details. But ofcourse people worship Jesus because they believe he is God incarnate, but he taught that everyone has this connection to God and was crucified for it. Kind of a tragic story

Yes, this is the case for MOST religious people. Ultimately even what you are saying about the true nature of God is still a type of idol regardless of your past direct experiences of the true nature of God. Whatever comes to mind when you think of that word is an idol of sorts. It’s more nuanced and developed than the religious idolatry, but it is still likely finite and contained simply by limiting factors of your current state of consciousness. Simply the word or idea “God” is itself the idol regardless of who uses it. The thing is you can be in direct experience of Infinity, and in that moment, the idol has been replaced with what it was actually pointing to. The point is, when you or I who have had direct experiences of the true nature of God think of God, we use it as a catalyst to bring our current direct experience closer to the awakened state. Religious people do the same thing, but they’re mostly wrong about what their idol is pointing to whereas any mystic is going to have a less intellectualized and more accurate route of connecting to that which is pointed to with the word God. There are still a minority of religious people, mostly those with a religious foundation but mystic-like aspect to their approach, who do come quite a bit closer to what the word God is actually pointing to when they have deep devotion to their chosen idol. In all cases, the idol stands as a means to come closer to God. That is the purpose of the idol. Everyone has a slightly different idol burned into their mind to represent God, but most are so far from the Truth that they often just lead to meager or even counterproductive results.

@Consept In terms of my personal experience, basically I noticed the trend is most dominant in people leaving Stage Orange and moving into Green, feeling disillusioned with everything they previously believed. There's a lot of anger, resentment, confusion and disbelief. They're looking for a new "story" or narrative or worldview they can attach themselves to, and often instead of doing the deep challenging inner work that involves being in the mystery and sitting in the unknown, they cling to whatever story arises that explains why they feel the way they feel. For example, that there's an evil cabal of elites harming them. IMO, it's fundamentally a victim mentality that fuels the fire of anger and allows it to be projected outward instead of investigated inward, and as we know, anger is often a cover for grief. So instead of feeling that deep painful grief we turn to rage and project it onto others. It creates a duality of good and evil, right and wrong, awakened and asleep, enlightened ones and sheeples, high vibe and low vibe. It's a strange irony that in the quest for Oneness so much separation can be created. Often psychedelics can help magnify the conspiracy theories, for example, having alien encounters during DMT/Ayahuasca which adds "evidence" that that aliens must be working with Bill Gates to implant microchips in our brains. I had one friend who told me after an Aya ceremony that the medicine told her COVID was an inside job. She is studying to be a doctor and generally is not a conspiracy theory person. Now, perhaps COVID is an inside job, and I believe she had the experience she's claiming she had, but still, it shows how quickly these things can spread because all it takes is her posting that on social media to have all these other people point and say, "See, more proof that COVID is a government conspiracy here to control our bodies!" Things just warp and take on a life of their own. Lastly, because many in the New Age world are so isolated from mainstream society, it creates a bubble that perpetuates the same narratives and prevents outside voices from offering different perspectives. Same shit that's happening with Q-Anon, Trump supporters, etc. We all living in our little bubbles. One more thing, I suspect many New Agers deep in conspiracies are projecting childhood wounds and a distrust of authorities onto "the system." Many in the spiritual world haven't done the deep inner healing/trauma work that one might think they've done, or perhaps they're in the process of working through those old wounds, and so as they arise it becomes easy to project them outward instead of deconstructing them internally. Classic 101 psychology stuff. Hope this helps. Happy to answer any questions about it as it's a topic I've been studying a lot. I also have shifted my perspective on some stuff. For example, I use to laugh at the concept of aliens controlling the human agenda, but now I see how that could in theory be plausible in the astral/4D/subtle realm. If God is infinity, in theory everything is possible, but because I have absolutely no evidence to support or disprove this theory, it becomes something I just don't really pay attention to. Why put so much effort on a hypothetical that, at my stage of consciousness, is completely outside of my control? I'd rather focus on that which I as Tucker in this human incarnation can improve, change, etc. And mostly that starts with myself, hence why I wrote the "I Am The Conspiracy" essay that I did.

This is very sad to hear. I remember finding Jeff Foster awhile back and being profoundly touched by his talks on YouTube, he really helped ground these lofty spiritual ideas into the reality of human experience. To read this is... humbling and heart breaking. This is why I will always practice meditation and why I take practice so seriously. This is why the neo advaita philosophy is so shallow as far as Im concerned. When the conditions of life shift in an instant, how ready are we really? How awakened are we really? How deeply do we see, understand, and accept reality? In many ways, the degree to which we suffer is inversely proportional to the degree to which we are awake. We will all face aging, illness, and death, most of us will face aging, illness, and death before we are ready. It can all be taken away in an instant. It will all be taken away in an instant. May we all have the clarity and openness to acknowledge and accept this loving experience of life, independent of the conditions and qualities it presents. May we see the deeper reality residing beneath. May we all be free from suffering. May we all be truly happy. Sending him love and light.

No sir, I definitely meant masochist because of the relentless demands it makes on a person that never seemingly ends ,,,, 7 days a week, weekends, and holidays, etc.,,, I don’t believe I was projecting either or hope not. It was meant more as speculation or an imaginative conjecture. A Dairy farmer who turned vegetarian reminds me of the paradoxical nature of awakened people. I just reread it and saw he shut down his dairy. That makes sense because I don’t think a vegetarian would have the Will and fortitude to operate a Dairy. This isn’t meant as a put down towards vegetarians, though. I appreciate the example and dedication to non-violence they bring to everyone through their embodiment of that choice and way of living.

@AverageMonkey The truth is, no one knows anything. Even Leo and the most hard-core psychedelics users say themselves: "there are infinite levels of awakening left, no matter how deep you have already awakened". AKA I know nothing.

Well, several concerns. First, they could take the chemicals they find useful and then keep the real psychedelics illegal. I am also thinking of things like the chocolates that have THC and CBD and is called cannabis. The reductionists assume that cannabis can be embodied by two chemicals and they throw everything else away. When I have used these edibles, it has resulted in paranoid states and nausea, nothing like the effect of a naturally grown plant. It is actually a different substance but they still label it cannabis. Similarly, a mushroom is not just psilocybin, it is a complex living being. The substances could be reduced and altered with the same name used, and growing the real thing made illegal. I don’t trust how stage orange is going to package psychedelics in order to maximize profits, not awareness. They can transform the products and use the same name for a totally different substance. The eggheads see what they call “hallucinations” as just an annoying side effect. In their lower state of consciousness, they have no belief in awakening and view the idea with contempt. To get the "hallucinations" you will need to be monitored by "experts" who have a presumably been tested with a multiple choice test and given a piece of paper to put on their wall, which will make their fees high (which is good for stage orange). Also, why would the ruling elite want the world to be awakened? That is dangerous for them. LSD was quickly made illegal. Richard Nixon complained that his soldiers didn’t want to fight in Vietnam because of LSD. Richard Nixon was right. The indigenous people don’t see chemicals, they see plant teachers – separate beings worthy of respect and composed of incredible complexity.

"If you cannot find peace and happiness unless you drug yourself with handful of nootropics, something seems quite not right." Who said this? You did. There is an implicit assumption that attaining peace and happiness is only "right" if it requires no substances. You can use multiple sophisms to deny it, but it won't fly here. "This is actually your mind that is creating your own requirements to allow yourself to be at peace, but you are the one who doesn't get it." Oh really? I was saying that there is no requirement that is set in stone. It all depends on one's situation. This was further clarified in my next post. But, you now backpedaled saying that I made a Nootropic requirement when in reality I never made such a requirement. I just said that deficiencies need to be corrected and that a holistic approach is necessary for reaching the truth. "There isn't anything wrong with improving your health, yet if you cannot accept living without these, then what is 'not quite right' is the fact that you become dependent on it, and as with everything you depend on, it can be taken away any moment, including your health, and then you enter suffering." Where did I say I can't accept living without them? I can accept it but reaching the highest states of consciousness becomes super unlikely. What you are saying sounds like it's deep, but it isn't. Think of Nootropics as consciousness-raising tools. Now go to a bunch of spiritual seekers in India, China, Japan, USA, Russia, whatever. Then, tell them, "You know what guys? If you need meditation, self-inquiry, contemplation, yoga, fasting, vision quests, proper diet, nootropics, or psychedelics, or any of these esoteric methods to be at peace and realize God, then something about that seems quite not right since you can't depend on them because happiness is already here" What would people say? They would just laugh... You can argue that no one can withdraw meditation or yoga or fasting like they withdraw health or nootropics. I can easily counter it with: You can have people withdraw meditation from you if you are in a prison where there are people constantly screaming and you cannot sit in quiet or peace. Let's say you are a sage who can meditate even when people are being tortured in a prison cell across the hall, then we can say that there will be guards that prevent you from meditating by hitting you with a stick once you sit to meditate. You can have Yoga withdrawn from you easily. All you need is one big injury to your spine or your leg, and it's over. You can have fasting withdrawn from you. All you need is to have serious deficiencies and health problems where fasting daily for even 15 hours can lead to you dying in a week tops. As such, you can't fast. Again, another person here not seeing the paradoxical nature of this whole journey. The paradox being that happiness is already here and you shouldn't depend on things to see it, BUT in fact, you actually should depend on meditation, yoga, diet, supplements, exercise, psychedelics, etc to get there. However, your toolbox of strategies for awakening will vary depending on who you are. Some will use Yoga, Meditation, Psychedelics, and Fasting. They never needed nootropics, a perfect diet, or anything like that. Others will use Yoga, Nootropics, Fasting, and Contemplation. They never needed meditation in the traditional sense or a perfect diet. And so on and so forth. But, someone like you will come and make this rule that, "you guys shouldn't depend on x or y because Peace and Happiness are already here since x and y can be withdrawn and as such, needing x or y seems quite not right." That's nonsense. This is a pure assumption, but I bet you probably wouldn't have flinched to say that we are "dependent" on meditation or Yoga for enlightenment because, in your Egoic paradigm, they are less "icky" since they don't involve substance use. This whole "it is already here" is again a bastardization of the teachings of nonduality. Yes, it is "here," but you do need tools to get there and one of them is Nootropics. Yes, health can be lost, and when that happens, if one isn't already awakened, suffering will ensue. But before that happens, one MUST UTILIZE health to get to this awakened state such that when it is withdrawn by some accident, they are okay. "And if you will, keep your passive-aggressive tone and your fairytales towards me for someone else." Ummm, no. If you will say patronizing things like "drug oneself" and then moralize us with what is "quite not right," then WE WILL CALL YOU OUT with or without a passive-aggressive tone. If you don't like being called out, then Forums aren't for you.

@BipolarGrowth "Do you see how “nasty” and “destructive” your view of this is, or would you like further explanation? Without a problem, there is no solution. If you grasped your “solution” to a high enough degree, you would see that you are not nearly as far from these people you are using as examples as you think you are." Well, I can definitely see right through you; that's for sure. You are trying really hard to sound smart. So let's do some deconstruction on your analysis: Do I see how destructive my view is? My view is how the world is shaped. I am aware of that Your view and your rhetorical question on me needing further explanation came from an egoic emotional reaction to the words "destructive" and "nasty" Do you see that? Or do you need further explanation? "Without a problem, there is no solution" That is how duality works, we all know that. This is why I mentioned you are trying so hard to sound smart and awakened. In addition, I don't want them to have problems so that I can present the "solution" as the other end of the duality. So you saying "without a problem, there is no solution" seems to me that you are assuming that I want to give out solutions while people suffer so that I feel good about myself. Which MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, this is just you projecting your own egoic desires of being a "saviour" on me? Lastly, just because solutions are cognized in consciousness by their contrast to a problem DOES NOT mean we must praise problems. In the grand holistic scheme of things, all of consciousness is Love and Beauty and must be praised, but since we are in the human form, the suffering of other humans due to their disconnectedness from God/Universe will be seen by our ego as painful, if our ego is developed enough to care that is. As such, we will not like it and will want to act selflessly. But what did you do? You saw this, misunderstood it, and imparted your false "deep insight" of duality on all of us as if you are a sage... "If you grasped your “solution” to a high enough degree, you would see that you are not nearly as far from these people you are using as examples as you think you are." I see how you are trying to "ground me in reality" When in essence, you took my honest intentions to help these people, saw two words that felt "icky," and then projected your ego-driven false wisdom on me; all with 0 consciousness of what you're doing... "For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted." Matthew 23:12 You unconsciously tried to exalt yourself by attempting to humble me. But here, you got humbled. If you have quality criticism to make, I am all ears, but if it is just meaningless and ego-driven, I will have to humble you and put you in your place very quickly sir. Lastly, out of respect for the guidelines, I will not make any further responses to anything you reply back. My point has been made clear for all the other people on this blog. Peace and blessings to all of you <3

Don't worry so much about ego and spiritual death and all of that if you're so new to the work. Focus on practicing personal development and self-love. Playing and modding games is fine, do it for passion if that's what you enjoy. The whole point of self actualization is to see what it is that you can offer this world and to explore your own existence with love and passion driving it. Don't listen to spiritual people with a stick up their ass, you don't need to sit around and do nothing all day to be awakened.

I was talking with @m0hsen in the sleep yoga thread about energy work. I made this thread here to seperate the energy work stuff from sleep yoga. So I'm gonna answer to some of the energy questions here. "What is your experience with energy channeling btw? Are you planning to go for a Kundalini rising or what?" When I channel energy, some sensations are similar to kriya supreme fire. But it's more intense and more energetic whereas supreme fire tends to be a bit more non-dual and more blissful. The energy also feels different. I get a lot of pressure in the crown chakra and third eye chakra area and when the session is very intense, it gets uncomfortable in the upper body too. I also hear a gentle buzzing sound. I think I already have a partial kundalini awakening from yoga, transmissions and other practices. And I'm sure whatever is still dormant will be awakened with my energy channeling.

You may have, or are, experiencing a form of Spiritual bypassing! I try not to use other people’s words and ideas when expressing some of my own thoughts, but in this case Luna & Sol managed to sum-up and provide useful examples of Spiritual Bypassing. In no way am I promoting their web site, other than to use their examples of Spiritual Bypassing, which I have been subject to and still battle to this day. https://lonerwolf.com/what-is-spiritual-bypassing/ The examples given below are just food for thought, and they may or may not add some practicality to those seeking expanded awareness and consciousness. “Spiritual bypassing, by Luna & Sol” The reality is that not everything in life is ‘love and light’ as is the slogan for many spiritual seekers. Pursuing the light and living enlightened and deeply interconnected existences is also about setting yourself on fire. It is about creating an inferno of your false beliefs, illusions and separating desires, ideals, and prejudices. It is about surrendering to the destruction of every limiting thing you ever thought and felt about yourself, other people, and the world. Spirituality is not always pretty. In fact, oftentimes it is the most shattering, tumultuous, and testing experience we can go through in life. The truth is that there are many types of spiritual bypassing that we sometimes don’t recognize (or refuse to recognize) in life. I have listed ten of the most common types below: I) The Optimistic Bypass We’ve all come across people in life who love to laugh and smile, yet seem to be forcefully optimistic. “Focus on the positive!” “See the glass as half full!” “Don’t let a frown get you down!” are some of the catchcries of these people who tend to use optimism as a way of avoiding the more somber and troublesome realities of life. The optimistic bypass is often a side product of anger-phobia, or the inability to deal with negative emotions. II) The Aggrandizement Bypass This is a type of self-delusion that some spiritual seekers use as a way of masking their perceived deficiencies and insecurities. The aggrandizement bypass is adopted by those who seek to feel enlightened, superior or having reached higher planes of existence. It is sometimes used by self-proclaimed masters, leaders, spiritually awakened souls, and gurus. III) The Victim Bypass When one becomes a victim of their gifts, or of other people, this takes away the pressure of responsibility for shaping a satisfying life and taking responsibility for one’s happiness – such is the case with the Victim Bypass. This type of spiritual bypass is often used by spiritual seekers who believe they have extrasensory gifts of some kind, but due to their gifts they are unable to feel happy or healthy. Identifying as an Empath is sometimes a good example of this type of bypassing, as it can be interpreted as the fault of other people and their emotions for behaving in self-destructive and volatile ways. Other labels, like being a clairvoyant, indigo child, starseed, gifted healer, and so on, can often fall into the Victim Bypass trap. IV) The Psychonaut Bypass Many spiritual seekers explore the frontiers of the mind, the soul, and reality through the use of psychedelic drugs such as LSD, DMT, psilocybin mushrooms, mescaline, and other entheogens that expand the mind and perception of existence. While this is a fascinating way of exploring reality, entheogens, like any other drug, can sometimes be used as a way of escaping reality and avoiding committing to personal development and soulful refinement. V) The Horoscope Bypass When we frequently look outside of ourselves for help and guidance, as is with the case with Horoscopes and Psychics, we are failing to tap into our inner wellsprings of wisdom and strength and are allowing external predictions to control the outcome of our lives. The Horoscope Bypass is derived from fear and mistrust of ourselves, our inability to make decisions, and our inability to deal with anything tough that comes our way. VI) The Saint Bypass As children, we were conditioned to believe that a “spiritual person” is always kind, compassionate, and saintly. In adulthood, we continue to repeat this story to ourselves, and sadly, it can cause us tremendous suffering. The Saint Bypass is a reflection of extreme “black or white” thinking, promoting the underlying belief that spiritual people can’t have dark sides because that would make them “unspiritual.” This type of bypass is essentially avoidance of one’s Shadow Self (dark side) by overcompensating with the guise of a sweet, heavenly, exterior. Self-sacrifice is a major symptom of this type of bypassing. VII) The Spirit Guide Bypass In some spiritual traditions, it is a God who protects, in others an angel, an animal or an ascended being. No matter who the Spirit Guide is, the belief that they are there to “protect” us is pleasing to the mind but ultimately constricting to the soul. When we place our faith in another being’s power to ward off danger and keep us safe, we are committing a classic spiritual bypass: avoiding responsibility for ourselves and our lives and sidestepping the tough development of courage and resilience. We are not children, but when we think of ourselves as being so we mold our lives in such a way that we fail to develop strength of spiritual character. Spirit guides serve to teach us rather than to babysit us. VIII) The Prayer Bypass Similar to the Spirit Guide Bypass, the Prayer Bypass circumvents personal responsibility by putting faith in a higher being to solve all of our problems and issues. While praying can be a healthy practice, it can easily become limiting and misguided. IX) The Guru Bypass Often it is beneficial to follow a guru, shaman or spiritual teacher to learn and grow. However, becoming too attached to them can rapidly turn into another form of spiritual bypassing. The temptation to begin worshiping (knowingly or unknowingly) these teachers means that we eventually forget the purpose of listening to them: to integrate the essence of their teachings. By treating the words of a guru or master as the irrefutable truth and failing to think for ourselves, we are starved of true spiritual growth and transformation on our spiritual journeys. X) The Finger-Pointing Bypass On our spiritual quests, we begin to see through the lies, delusions, and crazy behaviors committed by our fellow human beings and this can make us angry, downhearted, and frustrated. However, when we get caught up in “everything that is wrong” with the outside world and other people, dedicating our lives to the self-righteous quest of finger-pointing, this can be another form of spiritual bypassing. Finger-pointing instills us with a false sense of righteousness, taking away our responsibility of looking inside and working on ourselves. At its roots, the Finger-Pointing bypass is sourced from fear and avoidance and is a powerful form of procrastination. Food for though! Take what thoughts and ideas resonates, and store in your spiritual tool box those thoughts and ideas that don’t at this moment of now!

Hello everyone, To begin, it is my wish that all of you are currently experiencing a deeply fulfilling journey on the pathless path and that you are filled with loving-kindness. I also wish those whose path is colored by suffering, a resolution to that suffering and deliverance into peace. The question: There is a noticing that, as ego develops, its met with ever more challenging realisations about its own state of being. How can the ego best cope with these increasingly damning indictments, without freaking out every time it gets lost in thought? (Assuming a stable transformation into the awakened state has not yet occurred.) Here are some examples: that the ego is not safe, that it will definitely die and probably soon, that society is thoroughly more corrupt and out of control than it previously believed, that the systems it used to construct its current physical/social circumstances are also corrupt and no longer represent its interests, that its very own meaning making process is simply a process without meaning and thus all of its output has no truth value. From the perspective of this ego, it feels trapped between two worlds - one moment, its the peaceful state of presence and allowing. The next moment, its a state of emergency, hopelessness and panic. These new beliefs have simply replaced the old ones and fuck, they are way more scary!!

Seems like you're dabbling a bit. Have an awakening or two and then you will naturally go back to doing 'normie' things. At least that's my experience. Once I awakened, I went back to doing normie stuff after a month or two. It goes full circle. It's like I got what I came for. And no longer needed it. I focus on stage orange stuff now cause that's where I'm at in life. But I also know it's all a game and I just enjoy all the good and the 'bad' that I experience every day. Also, after awakening, I pretty much stopped spiritual practices and watching 'spiritual' actualized videos for about a year. Cause I got what they were pointing to.

A cat or a dog or an ape is fully content and fulfilled by an unreflected life. But animals aren't enlightened. They are only awake in heart, not in mind. Obviously. Just like small human kids (2-5 years old). They are often VERY VERY awake in heart. God, have you seen these jewels? They are so free: FULLY expressing WHATEVER arises: laughter, cry, rage, WHATEVER man, it just gets expressed. They are SO fucking immersed in The Now. EVERYTHING is exciting for them. That ant crawling in the sand? They see it and FEEL it as GOD. Haha. But are 2-5 year old kids enlightened? HELL FUCKING NO. They are cruel bastards, deeply asleep in MIND. But god are they amazing too; so awake in HEART. What happens the kids grow up? Social conditioning. Trauma. More ego. ... the result? They become asleep in Heart, but at least they have the brain capable of becoming both awakened in Mind and Heart, if they just follow the spiritual path with enough authenticity for Truth/Freedom and don't care about eternal suffering (cos that will come before Actual Enlightenment, if you're serious enough). Look at Jesus or Buddha, was their life-histories free of suffering? Hell fucking no. Did they transcend all of it (transmuting it into Love, revealing its true nature) when they finally Awakened? Hell fucking yes. You are always living in the present moment fully. You can never not do that. You ARE The Present Moment. The only difference between Buddha and you is that Buddha is fully AWARE (not only in mind, but also in heart) of IT: that he is THAT, that he LIVES in that. Reality is Love/God. You either feel and see that, or you don't. That's the difference between being enlightened or not. Simple as that. End of discussion <3 The spiritual bypassing here is astonding. Wauw bro. This is some next level zen-devilry neo-advaita no-self nihilistic BULLSHIT here. What a fucking load of deep--crap-horseshit, brother. (A case of kind of awake in mind but still pretty deep asleep in heart, yet in the deep unconscious shadows, the ego is *CONCEPTUALLY* projecting externally as if IT is indeed awake in heart, while it's clearly not, hehe, ... these unconscious projections never cease to surprise/amaze me). Let me repeat what I wrote: And then let me repeat: YOU DO FUCKING NEED THAT. ENLIGHTENMENT IS A STATE. STOP THE FUCKING IGNORANT SPIRITUAL BYPASSING. IT'S PISSING ME OFF <3 Wauw man. I'm speaking from direct experience here. Not from some conceptual ideas/belief systems in my head. I have tried everything I write. Directly experienced. Actuality. I've been to the deepest pits of hell, you can't even imagine. Likewise, I've been to the deepest heights of heaven, you can't even imagine either. And right now, I'm sober pretty high in heaven, if you ask me :-) But it's a state. I can lose it if I go down the nihilistic zen-devilry meaningless route of saying "NOTHING MATTERS SO I MIGHT AS WELL EAT JUNK FOOD AND MASTURBATE IN FRONT OF MY PC ALL DAY TELLING PEOPLE HOW NOTHING MATTERS ON AN ONLINE FORUM. HIHI LOOK AT ME. NO ONE HERE BRO! NOTHING TO DO. NOTHING TO REALIZE. JUST SMOKE WEED AND SMILE LIKE YOU'RE HAPPY!" ... fucking spiritual bypassing is what it is. The immensely sneaky ways of ego never cease to amaze me either

Yup. I like to differentiate between awakening "in mind" and awakening "in heart". What I call "being enlightened" is when BOTH your mind AND heart is fully transcended, awakened. The "heart"-part is the 'hard part' (pun intended) for a lot of atheistic, rational, INTP, Enneagram Five, logical types of people (basically 75% of peeps following Leo). The heart part is hard because you can't become awakened in it: - without pushing your comfort zones to the max - without listening to and allowing ALL of your emotions to come up - without direct experience, actuality. The heart part is especially hard because all INTP/Enneagram Fives are most likely not 'real' introverts, or real logicians, or real nerds or real competition/mental-minded aloof people. Their soul is probably filled with a desire to - FEEL - CONNECT - LOVE - EXPRESS - DEEPLY BOND WITH OTHERS However, all their desire to withdraw from society, to think and rationalize everything, to observe (instead of participate in) life, to create firm boundaries with other people in fear of getting too close to someone etc etc.. is VERY LIKELY survival/defense-mechanism learned in childhood (3-18 years old) due to some pretty intense trauma, that they are NOT fully conscious of today. All fives, intps, go talk to a pyschotherapist, a good one who knows about trauma, and then be honest and open with her (or him) and cry your hearts out. Love <3 The trauma probably has to do with early experiences of getting exluded from the peers' community, and perhaps even bullying, or perhaps father-figures who were emotionally inept / detached. But lots of other possible causes out there. Being awakened in heart is equal to deep inner peace, almost no fear, free expression. Being awakened in mind is equal to deep knowledge of Oneness, Nothingness, the illusory nature of ego/thought, and basically the perspectival nature of reality. A deep knowledge of the mechanics of duality. A deep understanding of relativism/post-modernism, basically a full embodiment of both stage green & yellow thinking. Turquoise requires the 'heart' part + fully integration of stage yellow. Do know that some people are kind-of awakened in heart but pretty asleep in mind. Sociopaths for instance, we could say, zen devils, or some extreme hippies. Likewise a lot of people on this forum are very much awake in mind but seemingly kind of lack the heart part still ( @VeganAwake, @traveler, im looking at you xD). It is basically another more benevolent form of zen delivery, denying their own unconscious attachment to concepts by masking it with their hillarious/sad nihilistic "no-self / no-one / nothingness / nothing to understand / nothing to attain / nothing to realize / no one to realize / nothing to do / nothing to get to / nothing to become / no one to become" - jargon, which all INTPs/enneagram Fives, including me (i've been there) know all too well =D Also guys, now I tagged you for lolz, but you don't have to come in and tell me your repetitious (and often funnily obviously shadow-projective) lines of: "that's just a belief, narrative, story, conceptual-thinking, cute model" "that's just what appears there, and it's perfectly fine - for no one" I got it. You deny Love. But even though you deny it, that it still Love. Reality is fucking Love. How could it be otherwise? :-) <3 What an exceptional post @WaveInTheOcean

Yup. I like to differentiate between awakening "in mind" and awakening "in heart". What I call "being enlightened" is when BOTH your mind AND heart is fully transcended, awakened. The "heart"-part is the 'hard part' (pun intended) for a lot of atheistic, rational, INTP, Enneagram Five, logical types of people (basically 75% of peeps following Leo). The heart part is hard because you can't become awakened in it: - without pushing your comfort zones to the max - without listening to and allowing ALL of your emotions to come up - without direct experience, actuality. The heart part is especially hard because all INTP/Enneagram Fives are most likely not 'real' introverts, or real logicians, or real nerds or real competition/mental-minded aloof people. Their soul is probably filled with a desire to - FEEL - CONNECT - LOVE - EXPRESS - DEEPLY BOND WITH OTHERS However, all their desire to withdraw from society, to think and rationalize everything, to observe (instead of participate in) life, to create firm boundaries with other people in fear of getting too close to someone etc etc.. is VERY LIKELY survival/defense-mechanism learned in childhood (3-18 years old) due to some pretty intense trauma, that they are NOT fully conscious of today. All fives, intps, go talk to a pyschotherapist, a good one who knows about trauma, and then be honest and open with her (or him) and cry your hearts out. Love <3 The trauma probably has to do with early experiences of getting exluded from the peers' community, and perhaps even bullying, or perhaps father-figures who were emotionally inept / detached. But lots of other possible causes out there. Being awakened in heart is equal to deep inner peace, almost no fear, free expression. Being awakened in mind is equal to deep knowledge of Oneness, Nothingness, the illusory nature of ego/thought, and basically the perspectival nature of reality. A deep knowledge of the mechanics of duality. A deep understanding of relativism/post-modernism, basically a full embodiment of both stage green & yellow thinking. Turquoise requires the 'heart' part + fully integration of stage yellow. Do know that some people are kind-of awakened in heart but pretty asleep in mind. Sociopaths for instance, we could say, zen devils, or some extreme hippies. Likewise a lot of people on this forum are very much awake in mind but seemingly kind of lack the heart part still ( @VeganAwake, @traveler, im looking at you xD). It is basically another more benevolent form of zen delivery, denying their own unconscious attachment to concepts by masking it with their hillarious/sad nihilistic "no-self / no-one / nothingness / nothing to understand / nothing to attain / nothing to realize / no one to realize / nothing to do / nothing to get to / nothing to become / no one to become" - jargon, which all INTPs/enneagram Fives, including me (i've been there) know all too well =D Also guys, now I tagged you for lolz, but you don't have to come in and tell me your repetitious (and often funnily obviously shadow-projective) lines of: "that's just a belief, narrative, story, conceptual-thinking, cute model" "that's just what appears there, and it's perfectly fine - for no one" I got it. You deny Love. But even though you deny it, that is still Love. Reality is fucking Love. How could it be otherwise? :-) <3