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This idea is based off of my other post titled Discipline is Ratshit - The Art of Blissipline. I often hear people talking about procrastination and how it is "bad" or must be avoided and dealt with. But rarely, do I hear people talking about how procrastination is actually a good thing. I mean think about it. What is procrastination really and what is its function? Here is what I am come to as a result to my contemplations on the matter. I may be wrong, so please feel free to contribute or disagree or whatever. What is Procrastination? (My personal answers from my Contemplations) Procrastination is avoiding emotional labor is the thought the first crossed my mind. But I realized that procrastination as a concept is much more broad than that. I came up with the definition that procrastination is the "process of delaying, postponing, or avoiding something." This means that if you have any thought of something and you either delay, postpone, or avoid doing it at the moment, you are procrastinating. This makes it seem silly to "eliminate procrastination." If we eliminated procrastination, then every thought you have of doing something, you would have to act on it right at the given moment. If I have a thought that I want to call my parents, then me not calling them would be procrastination. But I guess it really depends on how it is framed. For instance, you may be studying or you may have been procrastinating on your work, school, or life purpose. You then take action to do your life purpose, work, and school studies when a thought to call your parents or go out with your friends seeps into your mind. The thought to hang out with others may appear to be a distraction, or it could be viewed as a way to procrastinate, or your current attempts to grind to get your work done and stay busy doing schoolwork that you don't wanna do could be viewed as the distraction or the procrastination from facing your fears in calling your parents, etc. You see? Distraction and procrastination are relative to what your current highest love, bliss, and inspiration you have at the given moment. That is why being Blissiplined is important as opposed to being disciplined. Blissipline is simply being a disciple or student of what your highest bliss, love, and inspiration. It is being an employee of your higher-self. Whereas discipline is traditionally thought of as grinding through work to get it done. The discipline mindset views procrastination as the enemy, as something to "eliminate." But you are not really eliminating procrastination through your disciplined mindset approach. What you are really doing is procrastinating on your highest bliss, inspirations, and love for life. The disciplined mindset may view thoughts of inspiration to hang out with friends and call family as a distraction that will lead you to procrastinate, but actually, the real distraction is your not following your inspirations and love. You may think that grinding through your work or your 9-5 grind is your inspiration, which it actually may be your initial inspiration at first. I may have an initial inspiration to write a book. I may be flowing through it, but I may get to a point where that flow begins to turn into a grind. When it becomes a grind, I may not have that initial joy as I once did, and that is okay. The mind needs to procrastinate in order to critically analyze our choices and plans, as well as to keep us in alignment with our highest values, joys, and inspirations in life. If you are having fun and are in alignment with your higher self, procrastination is not such a bad thing as long as it is expanding you towards your higher-self and not as an escape to go into your lower-self. "Sometimes doing nothing very often leads to the very best of something." -- Pooh. Conscious Procrastination Vs. Unconscious Procrastination Conscious procrastination is "the process of actively delaying, avoiding, and postponing areas of your life that are no longer serving you, so that you can embody more love, inspiration, insight, and wisdom into your life, to better help you be in flow with your mission and highest bliss." This is what I was discussing above in that conscious procrastination is deliberately delaying our tasks so that way we can tune into where things in life are already figured out for us. On the contrary, unconscious procrastination can lead to negative results for our lives. I define unconscious procrastination as "the process of delaying, avoiding, or postponing something despite knowing that it will have negative consequences for you." I think unconscious procrastination is what people often talk about when they are wanting to "eliminate procrastination." They really want to eliminate unconscious procrastination but not conscious procrastination. Without conscious procrastination, we cannot be in alignment with our highest blisses in life. Society, as well as our mind, is always designed to keep us busy with problems, but our soul or spirit is always designed to keep us attuned to our intuition, passions, fun, cheer, excitement, joys, etc. Our soul/spirit is the child to our adult selves. Our minds are the rational adult and our spirit is the emotional child. None is "better" than the other. Both parts of our psyche are important. We need the child-like part to connect back with spirit, magic, and wonder, while also keeping the adult-like part to have the rationality to help us survive. The key is balance and how our relationships are with all the different parts of our minds. It is kind of the Id and superego in Freud's psychoanalysis model. We can't be too disciplined and neither can we be too impulsive either. I mean, we can but a "healthy" psyche is not at discord with itself. The ideal is for all parts of our minds to be welcomed and for all parts to be on the same mission to serve our higher-self. What I mean by higher-self is being in harmony with our intuition, heart, passions, joys, bliss, creativity, and all that makes us our best and highest versions of ourselves. Our lower-self is fearful, disconnected from feelings (hyper-logical), depressed, uninspired, addicted, etc. Conscious procrastination is about being on the path towards our higher-self. If that means to take a break and do nothing so that you can quiet your mind for an answer to come, then go do that. Productivity is a trap, which can make people believe that procrastination is an evil to be procrastinated with (see what I did there? lol). But in reality, the productivity mindset that unused time is wasted time has the energy of your lower-self if you can intuit that. How can you ever waste time if you enjoy time and are in alignment with your higher-self? Your higher-self doesn't need to work to figure things out. Your higher-self is always tuned into where things are already figured out for you. Your higher-self is your intuition. All you have to do is do nothing, connect with being, listen to your intuition, and have the courage to follow your heart. I hope all of that helped! I encourage anyone to contribute to these ideas here. All perspectives are welcomed!

Unfortunately, this is a problem with all of morality. I feel like morality is neglected in spiritual circles. I don’t hear Leo or Sadhguru talk about morality too often, especially moral theories like utilitarianism, etc. I feel like happiness, meaning, and fulfillment go together. A truly happy life is one that is filled with joy, gratitude, and a sense of purpose. I think happiness can be more fundamental than meaning/purpose because meaning/person is something we develop over time. Think of a young child. I feel like that a child is not focused on purpose/meaning. They are focused on playing, having fun, imagination, and pure joy. I guess you could say those activities are meaningful to them, but I guess we have to clarify what then we really mean by meaning/purpose. What is the meaning of playing and having fun? A child has fun for its own sake and not for some purpose, mission, or destiny that want to accomplish. But i don’t know, I could be wrong. Hitler’s view was distorted and biased and very limited. It was very low conscious, and this was a reflection of Hitler’s consciousness, not very high. High conscious actions need no justifications. Higher consciousness is always inclusive and closer to selflessness and love. What Hitler did was selfish for the collective ego of Germany. Higher consciousness goes beyond the iceberg of Germany and merges to become one with Ocean. Hitler was in ego mode and not God mode as it was apparent by his actions. It’s a mixture of both I think. Consciousness is subjective but is also objective. It is subjective in the sense that we can create whatever kind of world we want. But it is objective in the sense that there are higher and lower ways to be in the world. For instance, life has no meaning. That is purely subjective. But if you want to live life and survive, there are objective ways to do that. A plant can be poisonous or it can be edible. It doesn’t matter what you believe about the plant. You can believe the poisonous plant is healthy. But you would be incorrect. That is the same as Hitler. He thought exterminating Jews was the highest good. But his views of good and bad, heathy and poisonous were flawed. Only a person of higher consciousness than another can know. Higher consciousness is relative to lower consciousness. Jewish people had higher consciousness because their consciousness was more inclusive of people whereas the Nazis was more violent and exclusive. It’s not hard for us to tell because we are of higher consciousness than Nazis (at least I hope lol). But then again, through conformity and manipulation, our consciousness can lower if we are not careful with what we are exposed to. The conspiracy theories of today show how much our consciousness can be lower and skewed. The employee will have a much harder time if their vibration is lower. The best way for employee to get out of wage slavery is by raising their vibrations. The actions and choices you make are a reflection of your emotional state. You can raise it or lower it. It’s up to you and the employee. When you become a disciple to what you love, you will find that that is the highest way to live. You actually don’t want to be in bliss all the time. You want to experience the whole range of emotions. But being in bliss is more about being in alignment with your heart and intuition. There is no mathematical proof for bliss. The only method is by finding out what you love most about life and doing more of that. But if you want something close to a mathematical proof for bliss, it is this: Inspiration + Action = Magic, or Be + Do = Have. But again the flaw with this is that emotions are being placed into a logical box. But that right there is as close as you will get to a method for bliss. Thank you so much for your contribution to this post and to my own personal growth. You are helping me to think and formulate my thoughts. May Peace be with you.

@r0ckyreed I know what you say comes from a good place, but that also, does not make it true. Hitler thought thought that the Aryans were of a higher consciousness and value than the Jews. So in his mind, exterminating the Jews was his subjective expression of love and his highest act of service he could provide for the good of Germany. Of course, I'm not in favor of Hitler. But by your philosophy, Hitler could have justified himself for his actions to be righteous. The problem with your thesis is that the level of consciousness is not an objective measure, it's totally subjective. Who knows if the Jews or the Nazi's had a higher consciousness? And tell a person who works full time at McDonald's, with no degree, little possibilities, to just 'raise his vibration'. And as a result of that he will just 'attract the bees'. Is this a likely outcome when applying your philosophy for people who work at McDonald's? And yes, of course, everyone wants to be in bliss all the time. But is your philosophy a gueranteed way of getting to this bliss? How many people in the world have achieved this state in their lives? You have to have some method to get people into that state if you want to 'build a conscious society'.

Correct. Nobody can truly know. But knowing does not need to happen to deliver the most value to the world. The best way to be of service and bring the most bliss to the world is to yourself be a model of higher consciousness and love. Look at my quote in my first post. “The flower doesn’t dream of the bee, it blossoms and the bees come.” What this means is that when you act on your highest inspirations and you grow yourself and develop to the highest version of yourself, you are able to serve others and help society raise their consciousness from that perspective. If you are at a low vibration you aren’t living up to full potential. If you were at a high vibration, can you see how this would be of the highest service to all involved? You can argue about anything, but it doesn’t make it true. The use of drugs automatically shows the kind of state of mind a person or society is at. Think of the most conscious person and one who really embodied their bliss. Would they really need drugs to escape their feelings and live in bliss? Remember, drugs don’t make one blissful. They are a temporary distraction and an escape from pain. A person who embodies their highest bliss has developed deep positive relationships with all parts of themselves. Drugs imply that this experience right now isn’t good enough. At least that’s how I see it. I have never needed drugs because I am high on life. That’s what true bliss means to me. The most conscious society is one that is high on life and on living to become the best versions of themselves. Following your highest bliss and blossoming into your best version of yourself are identical to me. This is identical as well to building a conscious society. ”Be the change you wish to see in the world.” -Gandhi

But you don't know what brings about the most "bliss" in other people. Maybe you can know which actions to take to bring about the best feeling in yourself, but why would your pursuit of this bliss be good to others and the community? How is this any different from a dystopian society where everyone is being given drugs to make them feel good so that society can be controlled and make sure everyone is in 'bliss'? You can argue that this is a noble position from the people who enforce it.

Yup! That’s exactly what I’m talking about! If our goal is to survive, there are certain foods we can eat and certain ones we can’t. If we want equality then there are ways to get it and ways to not, but concepts of survival and equality are arbitrary and relative to people and cultures. But it doesn’t means that morality should be ignored. I think Deontology is really interesting, and I think it is similar to utilitarianism. But deontology cares more about universal rules than it does about maximizing happiness and bliss for all involved. What I like about Deontology is that they care more about their actions than consequences. This morality is more geared towards the present moment of rightness and wrongness. The rightness and wrongness of actions are determined by how they hold up with our rules than with the consequences of our actions. However, this theory does not focus on happiness, bliss, and well-being as the foundation, and it focuses more on how our actions hold up to universalizable rules. One thing about deontology is that they treat people as ends rather than as means. I think a true utilitarian would be a little more like a Deontologist in this regard because our action are bound by karmic law, and wrong actions to get right results is a big flaw for utilitarians. Maybe I should change my title? Lol. I find problems with all of these moral theories. If I were to create my own moral theory, it would be a combination of deontology and utilitarianism. But I think rule utilitarians are closest to this combination. My moral theory would be to “act in such a way to bring about the most bliss and happiness to the world through universalizable actions.” With this theory, it assumes that if you focus on the process, then you won’t need to worry about the outcome. The process is about taking the path following your bliss and to inspire and raise the consciousness of others through your actions towards following your heart and higher self. It is about maximizing happiness and consciousness in the present moment through our actions and not through consequences per se. This theory will need more work of course. But the basic idea is that each moral action we take is in alignment with our higher self. It is a combination of virtue ethics, utilitarianism, and deontology. To be the most moral is to be most conscious.

I posted this in the wrong thread! This is supposed to be in the philosophy, self-actualization section of the forum. Thanks. Sorry for inconvenience. Hear me out. I have been contemplating the nature of Value Theory, which tries to answer the question: "What is the Good Life, and how can I live it?" I have also been contemplating morality since living a Good Life is linked to the goodness and standards of conduct we bring to our communities. Please note that this here is the result of my contemplations on the subject. In no way is this absolute truth or any of that BS. I would encourage you all to contribute and expand/elaborate on my ideas here to tackle the issue of Value Theory and Morality. Thanks! To start, there are several theories in philosophy on what the Good Life is. There is hedonism, eudaemonia, desire satisfaction theory, and many more. I will focus on mainly these theories here. What is a Good Life So what does a Good Life boil down to? I mean what is it really that you want out of life? What do you really want? Cars? Sex? Drugs? Spiritual mindgasms? Here is my perspective, what you really want out of life is a feeling. That is what I find that it boils down to. What you really want is not a college degree or to travel the world, or to make millions of dollars. That is all material. What you really want is the immaterial. What you ultimately want is a feeling, the feeling of true happiness and bliss. This is related to my other post on how "Discipline is Ratshit - The Art of Blissipline." Blissipline is about being a disciple of your highest bliss in life. Whereas discipline is more commonly thought of as working your ass off and grinding even though it might not bring intrinsic happiness. Blissipline is more focused on intrinsic happiness (immediate bliss), whereas discipline is focused more on instrumental happiness (future, long-term happiness). Value Theories: Hedonism, Eudaemonia, Desire Satisfaction Theory Here is where hedonism comes in. What you really want is a feeling of bliss, of feeling content, excited, happy, and complete. Hedonism is the view that happiness is the ultimate good in that what a Good Life really is, is one that is lived happily. Most people misunderstand hedonism to be the pursuit of pleasure, but this is not true hedonism. Hedonism believes that happiness is most essential to live a good life, but happiness is not what we think. Sit down and contemplate what happiness is. For me, happiness is not a dopamine hit from sitting in a pleasurable hot tub. Although, that could be a form of happiness, I find that happiness for me means to be completely high on life itself - To be completely satisfied with the present moment and living true Heaven on earth. With true happiness, there is nothing to pursue because happiness is about being and not doing. All pursuits come from an implicit assumption that happiness needs to be chased. This of course implies that the chaser does not have happiness unless they reach a goal. But this is folly. Happiness is what is left when there is nothing left to do. The film Christopher Robin highlights this beautifully when Christopher and Winnie the Pooh say "Doing Nothing very often leads to very best of something." What this means is that "doing" is the chasing. When you stop "doing" and start "being," you are in alignment with your higher self and your deepest Blissiplines in life. All of this aligns with what true Hedonism is. Eudaemonia and desire satisfaction are closely related to hedonism, but they are distinct. For instance, Eudaemonia suggests that meaning is the center of life, and a Good Life is one that is meaningful. Desire satisfaction theory suggests that a Good Life is measured by getting what we want and desire. Eudaemonia is a good theory, but I think it boils down to hedonism. Why is meaning in life important? Also, who is it that is judging what a Good Life is and what a Good Life is not? If we look at someone else, we may say they lived a Good Life if we believed that they accomplished their goals and did something meaningful with their lives instead of wobbling around the Hundred Acre Woods all day. This is why the framing of the question of what a Good Life is essential. Eudaemonia seems appealing because our society is focused on productivity, goal-orientation, and less focused on recreation, leisure, and playfulness. But ultimately, if a person has a meaningful life, but they are not happy, did they really have a Good Life? I mean from our perspective, they appear to have a Good Life. Robin Williams comes to mind for someone I thought had a Good Life because I believe that his life was meaningful. But from Robin Williams' perspective, his life was probably a nightmare. I do not know this for certain, as I am guessing his point of view at this point, but if we take this thought experiment to heart, we can see that living the Good Life ultimately boils down to how happy you are and if you are following your heart and highest blisses in life. Difference between Hedonism and Desire Satisfaction Theory With desire satisfaction theory, I think this is more like how most people view hedonism. I think it is really easy to confuse desire satisfaction theory with hedonism, but here is the difference. Hedonism is believes happiness is essential to living the Good Life, whereas desire satisfaction theory (DST) states that a Good Life is one that where a person gets what they want. DST believes that desire is most important for living a good life. The issue with DST is that desire is always future-oriented. This is the common conflation between hedonism and DST. Hedonism is more about intrinsic happiness, where as DST is about instrumental pleasure and meeting our desires. The problem with DST is that most of the time, we don't know what we really want. Sometimes, we desire for something that does not really bring us true happiness in the end. For instance, you may have desired for a college degree, to be a video game designer for Ubisoft, to have millions of mansions and women, but we later find out when we have all of our desires that something else is missing. A lot of people end up having more desires and goals to chase - trying to get even more money and even more status, while not realizing that what you desire is not always what you really want. As Morgan Freeman says in Bruce Almightly: "Since when do people know what they want?" Think about that one. Morality I go back and forth on the nature or metaethics of morality. Metaethics tries to understand what the nature of morality is. Is morality objective? Absolute? Relative? Etc.? I have gone back and forth between moral objectivism and moral relativism. Moral objectivism suggests that morality is objective. This means that there are true and false, or right and wrong ways to act in the world. Moral relativism suggests that morality is ultimately relative, which means that there is no right or wrong, or true or false when it comes to moral conduct. The moral conduct according to relativists is subjective to individuals and collective cultures/societies. No society is more right or wrong than another. However, moral objectivism states that this is false. They state that morality has correct answers that are independent from sociocultural contexts and people's opinions. For instance, there is a right and wrong answer to if a certain mushroom is poisonous or healthy. This is how a moral objectivist views morality. They view morality as having right or wrong answers that are independent to what we may believe. The earth is appears to be a sphere from the perspective of being in outer space despite a flat earther's opinion. Also, beating a child is also wrong regardless of what we believe because the act of beating a child is not the healthiest way to build a society, nor is that act selfless. Morality is really all about a community and about selflessness. If morality is not based on selflessness, of living in harmony as a community, then the community cannot function. Morality is like the water to the garden. Without morality, the garden dies. There are right and wrong ways to grow a healthy garden if that is what we want. When a relativist says that "well who says that living healthy and selfless matters?" Well, it really doesn't in the ultimate degree in the same way that it does not matter what plant you eat in the jungle. However, there are right and wrong ways to be selfless, loving, and healthy relative to how we define them. The plant is poisonous or edible regardless of what you or I believe. I, as the moral objectivist say that there is a right or wrong in that the plant is either poisonous or it isn't. But you as the relativist may say that the plant is poisonous relative to your human organism but maybe not to some other creature. This is true. But this does not dismiss the fact that relative to human organism, and relative to building a selfless society, there are right and wrong ways to do that. It isn't just its all opinion. If you care about survival (which you mostly likely do), morality will be important if you want to live in harmony with others and contribute in a positive way to the world. Of course, survival itself is relative, but relative to how you want to survive and your values, there are right and wrong ways to go about them. If you value well-being (however you define that), there will be right and wrong ways in how you go about that. Of course, there are multiple factors like well-being relative to you or to society? and etc. Utilitarianism Utilitarianism is the view of how to act morally. Utilitarianism is a form of consequentialism that suggests that the most moral action is one in which brings about the most happiness to the world for the greater good. Utilitarianism also operates from the notion of hedonism, which I already defined as viewing a Good Life as being in harmony with one's bliss and happiness. In the same way, utilitarianism is correct because all morality I think boils down to how conscious a society is. The more conscious a society is, the more blissful and happy they will be. Today, our society lives in fear and in prejudice, etc. True utilitarianism wants to do the best actions to raise the consciousness of humanity. They want to maximize consciousness and happiness for the world. This theory of morality is true because if morality isn't based on what a Good Life is, then what is the function of morality? The function of morality number 1 is to survive in a community setting. The next function of morality is justice and promote social harmony for communities to live together. With social harmony, there are right and wrong ways to go about that. A relativist may argue that "Well my definition of social harmony could be to blow up the world in the name of my God." But if you think about that deeper, you just create more terror and more fear in both the short-term and long-term. The utilitarian is focused on consequences of actions, but a true utilitarian cares about both. Our actions can inspire others to follow, which if we led good actions, we lead good lives for the community at large. Remember utilitarianism is tied with hedonism. What we really are after is a feeling. True hedonists live in the present moment and strive to be happy now. The classic objection against utilitarianism is the it is subjective in that people can have the "ends justify the means" in that they care about the future of the world and consequences of actions. But a utilitarian devoid of the effects of their present actions is not a true utilitarian. Our karma is our actions tied to consequences. If we do something bad now to get something good later, we are fooling ourselves because how we act now attracts what we will get in the future. Anyways, these are my thoughts on all of this. You are encouraged to contribute to these ideas here or disagree. I would appreciate to hear your thoughts on what you think about Value Theory and Morality. "The flower doesn't dream of the bee, it blossoms and the bees come!" - David Lion Thanks!

Hello, This is a trip report of my Ayahuasca ceremony. I won't dive into the setting details, other than stating that it was in nature with a group and a shaman. After drinking the first cup, it was obvious that the medicine works by releasing the initial layers of unconscious mind into Consciousness. This is observed by sensing that the flow of energy in the body (whether physical, emotional or energy sense of the body) is more balanced. This observation is especially noticeable in the "Chakras", like between the eyebrows, in the center of the chest, solar plexus and more. This sense of energy flow was accompanied by complex Psychedelic visuals, that cannot be described by me other than the sense of purifying thoughts and beliefs form the unconscious mind. If I push the envelope on my creativity, I would describe the visuals as emotionally geometric shapes the resembles the visual representation of suppressing thoughts, feelings and emotions. As more and more suppressed thought is brought to surface, nauseous and nasty feelings in the body are felt, which is reasonable if the medicine oblige you to face your shadow and feel it. All and all, the first cup is quite manageable, even though it requires coping with some truth regarding the hidden aspects of our adopted identity. However, the second cup is where the real work knocked on my door and asked for answers. Ready? So after 'excavating' the initial layers of the shadow, it is time to face our most hidden and obnoxious thoughts and beliefs regarding our self and others. This is where I was forced to meet with the deep traumatic events of my life, and the conceptual architecture that erected as a result of this traumas. The deep layers of our subconscious is where fear, guilt, shame, hurt, dishonesty, illusion and attachment lurks. Encountering those aspect of my shadow was extremely painful to swallow, almost unbearable. It wouldn't surprise you that this is the part where most people are crying from the depth of the pain the reside in their emotional heart, and emit unreasonable voices of disgust and terror having to face shame and guilt, and of course, vomit their intestines out. This is purification of both body and mind, which are ultimately two sides to the same coin. During purification and afterwards deep insight regarding thoughts and beliefs can be gleaned, and it becomes obvious that every thought we hold affects the body, that in some way the thought form wishes to materialize in the body. For me, it was no different. Childhood trauma made me cry and emit voices of sheer helplessness due to feelings of rejection, shame and guilt. This was accompanied for me by extremely complex visuals both in shape and color, which I lack the ability to describe with words. Finally, I had to face the belief that I am this specific body-mind. I was "shown" that this is an illusion, that who I really am isn't some specific self, but both this self and every other self. In some weird way I cannot explain, I had visuals that showed me how self and other complete each other and cannot exist one without the other. Every experience of my self was possible only due to the experience of others, and vice versa. Even thought the distinction between self and other seem solid and separated, it is an illusion. The distinction between experiencing only one mind and experiencing another's mind is what enables the Self to experience different minds. This was extremely daunting for the attachment to the mind, which I sensed as some deep pain for being deluded so long. I cried. I realized that I could never hide aspects of my self from others, because I am others so the only one I am hiding from is me, which is a paradox. It is impossible to hide from You, because You is all there is, and You know when the self is hiding. Whenever we manipulate an other, whether it is by lying, misrepresenting, affectations, etc., we are only manipulating our self. The same goes, of course, for hurting or judging the 'other'. Thinking of our Being as some specific self is an illusion, a trick of mind, an attachment that distort the Truth. After realizing that the body-mind is not even a blip in existence, that who I am isn't this body-mind, I experienced a sensation of being reborn. I was relieved completely of my shadow and attachment to thought. I could not care less what others think of me, I only wanted to hug them and tell them that I love them. The perceptions of the body sensations and the sky in night was of pure bliss, joy and love, as in being grateful for just existing. I could not fathom that such sensations of freedom can be felt. Breathing was deep and profound, penetrating every particle of my being and the nervous system felt rejoiced, renewed and "electrical". I could sense profound sense of divine energy between my eyebrows for I finally saw reality for what is is. The magnitude of my enthusiasm and astonishment was out of this world, and I could not hold my self from saying repeatedly: Wow, wow, wow. To wrap things up, I would say that Ayahuasca differs from the classic Psychedelics not only because it is DMT which enables to dive deep into our shadow or unconscious mind, but allow us to flood the unconscious to the conscious long enough so we can see all of our hidden delusions and emotions. Mix this with the shamans music and way of touching our hidden and sensitive aspects of our self, and you get a profound experience. Don't get me wrong, Psilocybin and LSD can and probably will expose your subconscious, but usually not to depths of Ayahuasca. As for DMT in it's freebase form, the trip is usually too fast and too complex to glean serious insight regarding self and mind. But it is nice to make you curious. I would also say that if you "cleaned" your subconscious, than your trips will probably be lucid and without all this repressed emotions and horrific visuals. This is probably rare amongst human beings because we tend to be selfish and dishonest, so only mature and extremely honest individuals will have "lite" subconscious. Regarding practices such as meditation and contemplation, I cannot deny their ability to penetrate our hidden aspects, but if you want to reach the bottom of the subconscious, the root of the false self, they require intense focus and commitment. I really hope this post helped you in some way. Ayahuasca can be extremely complex and emotionally disturbing experience. But it can also mature you a lot, bring modesty to the self, and motivate transformation. It is also a heart opening trip because you can learn the deep truth regarding the illusion of being a specific self, which in turn weakens the attachment to mind and body. Much love

There's really no point in debating metaphysics with Leo, IMO. He did (and does) a bunch of 5-MeO and takes those subjective experiences to be the bedrock of reality. And because of the uber-solipsism bent, he is unwilling and unable to contend with alternative points of view that go against the Actualized dogma. And I know Leo is wrong, because I used my ultra-high-powered omniscience and Absolute Will to make it so! Just like he taught me All jokes aside, I do hope you "wake out" of your arrogant prison of beliefs, Leo. If you think Peter Ralston is not as awake as you (from my ultimate God POV, I can see he is likely magnitudes closer to the truth), you're just playing games with yourself. And as Wildflower pointed out time and time again, your metaphysical position that anybody who criticizes your teachings is not "fully awake" is nonsensical. If you were as awakened as you claim to be, none of us would even exist in your perception. You would be floating in an endless love-bliss-void of your own making. But seeing as there is still the duality in your teachings of believing there is any such thing as "Absolute Will," it's obvious there is more to go for you. And I don't know if there is enough DMT on this entire planet to make you see this directly. Hasta la vista, dudes. Beware who you deify.

Interesting. I need to find the source, but I believe there was a Buddhist teacher who said, "At one point, there may be only one or two objects to note. This state is very blissful, but it is still not the end. We must abandon even the bliss by noting it." Something to that effect, anyway. You are spot on to say that duality is necessary, because otherwise "no-thing" could not ever know or explore itself. It needs both sides of the coin to be what it is as a unified whole.

So you know what awakening is for everyone who experiences it and it's your story of it? Are you attached to the story there is no one to experience the story because are you aware that the infinite potential of the absolute includes all stories including there is everyone to experience it? Awakening is also the infinite fulfillment of I am experience if it is the end of personalized experience of it. It has everything to do with well being and the bliss of well being does influence behavior.

Well today I'm in a good mood and I'm not normally. And a good mood allows for humourous outlook on life as well as misery ("lies!", screeched in hush tones) I'm feeling good enough to feel my old good me which is still depressed The little bastard in my mind whispers though, Isn't bliss empty? -- Due to malnutrition of depression and physical illness, I've been untouched by colour or light, in hibernation from this embodied anxiety. Anxiety as manifested in being or action as opposed to feeling or thought, but right now I'm in a twilight between the depression and mania? Its obvious that me visiting home was the activation trigger... No, me visiting home is synchronising with this, making science impossibile Synchronicities make science impossible, removing controls

@Leo Gura These are deeply opinionated beliefs, Leo: Not trying to argue here, just saying that the direct experience throughout life has not included fear of death. “I” have done freesolo rock climbing, freesolo highlining (slacklining ~400’ above ground), and many other things that should have probably triggered a fear response but didn’t. Fear of death is not the only thing that keeps one alive. Another would be love of life The infinity experience from this perspective was like: reality dropped out infinitely in both directions, at full infinite speed. Yellow leaf? Yeah right brah!, that’s infinitely It (exactly that sensation) through and through, infinitely in infinite directions, and every other “point” is that was too. The mind is a perfect mirror at this point, no distortion to the reflection, so that equates to the entirety of everything appearing as itself in the same way as the “leaf”. Infinite bliss, laughter occuring because there’s nothing but love. How to even express it?! It’s so infinitely complete! “I” set intention before psychedelics that if I did physically die (and I accept that possibility very much) that everything is in order to make that process easiest on those around me. Dunno...seems unlikely that fear of death is actually a prerequisite for survival.

There is no personal self which efforts, yet the entirety of Existence is made of Heaven. It’s whole and free, infinitely in all directions. It’s full with no need to read the instructions. Flavor occurs spontaneously in the mouth, hovering in Emptiness with no effort to be found. Aroma of the flower is untouched by desire and the sunshine is so fine that they all are inspired. The seeing of trees occurs where the trees are and they’re kissing this blue gem shifting with the stars. With a wide eyed awakeness of infinte bliss existing, there’s no thing beyond the whole thing that could possibly be missing. We stand on the ground of being with no known of how we can. It’s magic made of nothing, appearing as a man. He’s peering out of void into his whole Being with no separate ears here to hear it all singing. The sound that the Infinite gives to All is unbound in the embodied Body Now but we can’t know how. This is God, this is Love, but it misses the call by the simple naming of. So the Subject goes seeking for Love within the Object, lost in the Cosmos in thoughts of what It’s made of. Let it all go, or at least begin to, and find trust that this Godness must continue.

So yesterday evening I experienced, very unexpectedly, the highest state of consciousness I ever reached without psychedelics. It was the climax of an spiritually, erotically and emotionally intense weekend, I'll do my best to recount the events leading up to my samadhi in order to try and perhaps re-create it, maybe some of you can shed some light on how I was unconsciously working with powerful principles. I'll provide some graphic examples for your enjoyment. This got quite long so there's a TL;DR by the bottom. So, first off, I had remained sexually continent, ie not ejaculated, for almost 3 weeks. Then on Friday morning me and my wife did our sadhana morning practice which sometimes leads to sex. We started with sharing our emotions and feelings and planning some weekend activities, did movement / yogic warmup and then had sex in the bed. It was slow and beautiful, after some time I slowly built up to just about my point of no return and filled her with semen for the first time in weeks, she got some kind of emotional release and started to cry, I don't think that ever happened before for us during sex. She said it felt like she released some fear and anxiety. The day proceeded like normal. We hung out with our neighbours and had dinner with them in the evening. When we got home and put our kids to sleep, we smoked weed and improvised around the mantra Satanama for 20 mins or so, it was spectacular. Then she wanted to watch a movie but I was so happy to be out of my weeks of sexual continence I exclaimed that I wanted to cum in her mouth. She was really open for that, even though we don't do that too often, and she started to blow me. I fucked her face quite brutally and exploded in her mouth, it felt amazing. We watched a movie but I fell asleep almost immediately. The day after, we were going to visit a couple we've exchanged partners with three times prior to this and have dinner with them. First we needed to leave our kids at my mom's place. I made up a lie about how me and my wife was going to eat at a tapas-type restaurant, don't know where I got that idea from. When we arrived at the other couple's place, they had prepared tasty tapas-type food for us, a funny coincidence. After eating we again sang the mantra Satanama with them, then we did a tantric practice where one person would lie in the bed while three others simultaneously gave them loving touch with the elemental energies in this sequence: Earth, Water, Air and then Fire. We took turns and got five minutes each. After that, a foursome soon followed. Nothing too tantric about it, just fucking each other, spitroasting, the girls making out and going down on each other and so on. I found it hard to focus 'cause partner exchange is still quite new to me, every time my wife starts moaning and screaming I get very distracted and it's hard for me to focus at being with another woman in those moments. After the other guy came inside my wife he needed some recovery-time, and then he chatted with my wife while I proceeded to fuck the other woman. It was a lot easier and we got quite into it. After a while it made my wife feel uncomfortable and she expressed the need to have me by herself, so we ended our erotic intimate dance. The four of us proceeded to talk together for quite some time, it got late and we took a cab home. My wife was looking really tense and only answered anything I said with 1 word sentences in the cab so I knew something was wrong. When we got home she explained how she felt a lot of insecurity and that it was really painful and she was sure that I didn't care for her as much as for the other woman. It was a bit unexpected since we had been with them 3 times before, and no insecurities had arisen the past two times. The first time, however, almost ruined our life, but we worked through that. I was scared to experience the wrath and suffering from the aftermath after the first time we fucked that couple, but that period taught me many things and I knew how to work through this. I shared my passion for my wife with her and expressed with academy award-winning level delivery how our connection was the highest and most spiritually valuable thing in my life. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't acting, all I'm saying is I expressed it fully, with really strong emotions, trembling voice, tears in between, apologizing for making her feel this way, re-stating my original intention and my full commitment to the expansion of our love. We ended up hugging together and she felt a little better. It was almost 4am. We went to bed and since I was interrupted during the foursome I still hadn't ejaculated and was ready to go. Her pussy was sore but we went with touching ourselves and mixing dirtytalk with me telling her how beautiful and sexy she was and how much I loved her. Then we came together and I exploded all over her chest. The next day, the Sunday, we had a lot of deep talks in the morning about our emotions and things were fairly okay, but fragile. If I'd been clumsy I could've easily gotten into bad territory but it went all right, although she was almost trying to pick a fight a couple of times. I wanted to have sex with my wife in the morning to reconnect, she also kind of wanted it but in the end it didn't happen, we had coffee and cleaned the house instead. Then we picked up our kids who had been staying with grandma during the Saturday night and went home again, and we were then guested by my wife's parents who brought dinner with them to celebrate my mother in law's birthday. It was really tasty-tapas type food, again an interesting coincidence. My wife, her mom and our kids went to the sauna after dinner. Some time had passed and my stomach didn't feel very full so I decided to also go to the sauna. It felt nice to sauna. I usually don't drink much but both Friday and Saturday evening I had had a couple of glasses of wine and beer and that had given me some hangover-anxiety, combined with the emotional toll of having difficult discussions together with my wife. I find that sauna really helps against anxiety. I was horny and still kept having plenty of flashbacks from our night with the other couple so I masturbated and came by myself in the sauna. I then got the idea to fill the bathtub with ice water so I went out of the sauna, cleaned my hands and started filling the bathtub which takes about 7 minutes. I already felt kind of finished with the sauna and it was 70+ degrees celsius so seven more minutes wasn't totally easy. To endure, I started to massage my scalp to have something to focus on. I also started breathing more intentionally, almost like shamanic breathing / wim hof breathing. Deep quick breaths and an intention to relax and let go on the exhale. I did this in the hot sauna and it was very challenging, after a while I decided that the waterline had risen enough in the bathtub and I exited the sauna and went into the water. I stood with my feet in the water, it felt really cold even though I do this once a week, it was especially cold since Sweden has entered an extraordinarily cold period recently and the temperature outside my house affects the water temperature. I started doing what I usually do: sit down in the water, then blocking my nostrils and ears with my fingers and went underwater for about ten seconds. Then I put up my head above the water and relax. I take as relaxed, deep and slow breaths as possible, usually ten followed by dipping my head and then ten more breaths. This time I didn't do it as normal though. As I started breathing I felt WAY more relaxed then I usually do, my breaths were also waay slower than normal. After ten breaths I was so relaxed I didn't want to change what I was doing so I kept breathing, although my breath was now so slow that I almost didn't breathe at all. I've sometimes tried to attain "the breathless state" by doing spiritual energy circulation exercises and focusing at my third eye and pushing the tongue upwards, I can sometimes feel a shift in perception and a lowered breath and lower pulse, but this was on a whole other level. I felt like I was dying, like the water was consuming me, like I was freezing to death, but I was so relaxed and numbed that it felt pleasant. I surrendered to it and my eyes rolled upwards. More and more expansion. A numb tingling feeling in all of my body. Such bliss and expansion. Fear brought me out of it. First it was the fear that I was going to pass out in the bathtub and drown, so I sat up. And as I sat up, I realized that I was in a very unusual state of consciousness. I felt exactly like I do in ALL my psychedelic trips at the stage where I've just remembered that nothing exists / I am all that exists. The terror of insanity and solipsistic nonduality. It was extra frightening since I wasn't prepared at all for it, and it led me to think thoughts such as: "it's forever this time, since it wasn't induced by a psychedelic. FUCK, I'm enlightened for real this time and there's no going back. I can go to my family but they won't be able to comfort me out of this because I know they're an illusion." I stood up in the bathtub and went into the sauna again to recover some warmth. I took great care to move slowly and not fall over, my body felt a bit like a separate thing. My skin was very red from the cold water. I sat down in the sauna but the fear and loneliness wasn't endurable, I strongly felt the need to be close to my wife. I dried myself with a towel and put on a robe and went to her, walking like a partially functioning human. She was reading a bedtime story to our daughter in our bed and I lay down beside them. I was shivering a lot, but I sometimes do ice baths so they didn't think it was too weird. My wife asked me if I didn't want to go to the sauna again to get more warm but I was able to utter that something had happened and that I felt very scared and that I just wanted to be close to her. I slowly warmed up, started to feel like myself again and I was able to go downstairs to say good night to my in laws, take some vitamins, brush my teeth and go to bed. By that point, the fear had left and instead I marveled at what had happened. Somehow I'd reached a really powerful level of consciousness, some kind of energy activation, that I before only got to through psychedelics. More to come. TL;DR: I did sauna+breathing exercises for some time until I was really exhausted, went into icy water, expanded my consciousness WAY more than what normally happens somehow and remembered that nothing exists.

So while this is your experience and truth and I don't want to disrespect that, how does it feel to write/read/think those words? Might you write me a version of this that states how you intend to or want to experience emotion? What are the most beautiful, profound emotions, what do they feel like? How do you feel when you listen to music you love? How does it feel to drop a thought that feels bad or see that it is not so? If you drive 4 hours and think you forgot something really important you needed but realize you were mistaken when you find it, how does that relief feel to realize nothing was missing? You could say that every thought that feels horrible has behind it, a flip side of very strong relief, bliss even. Worth investigating. You have to get curious about it. Get playful, have fun with it. Curiosity is a special kind of stupidity that is prior to and foundational for knowledge. They aren't separate.

@Nadosa The oscillations can be really rough when they happen but usually it's because we resist them from happening. Experiences come and go no matter if it's bliss or feeling insane. Keep inquiring into the rough feelings, it gets easier with time. In this case there's nowhere to go. It's all a deepening into this experience right now. Also cut yourself some slack. The forum is here to help you. Shitpost all you want if it helps get things of your chest. ? For how long have it been oscillating?

I am oscillating straight for 4 weeks now between "me" that believes its insane and "me" that has the power to choose everything and not to suffer, that has no past, future, that everything I went through was due to imaginary beliefs. It kills me man. Its like I just cant let go of being wanting to be insane. Im also so sorry for all the shitposting the last days. Its been very tough. Its just that i dont know but I sense bliss. Then thoughts want to separate this bliss into being "me" which makes no sense anymore. Then thoughts attach to past suffering telling "no you're insane because you suffered". I just cant really sense where I go and how to integrate this. Much love

I’m no expert in suffering. But in my experience, the one who suffers, is the temporary “I”. Suffering is only real for the illusionary finite self. What is actually happening, when we are suffering: Is that we are being purified and stripped of the things that we actually are not. Identity is being burned, more and more. Layers of lies that we have told ourselves and been told by “others”, are being stripped off. Truth remains after all the layers have been stripped off. And that can hurt a great deal. I’m sure your suffering is real, as it seems for all of us. Some more than others. We have believed the illusion of a separate self so much, that it hurts giving that point of view away. But when you suffer, try seeing it as God purifying you, rather than focusing on the pain and the hurt. I know, because I did. And it felt like I was being deeply mindfucked/skullfucked. Tears running down the chin, as no sound, no word, no thought being able to be expressed. At that moment, I felt Real Love for the first time in my life. Unconditional Love, from the Creator. Helping me out of my illusions. Mad levels of suffering, and pure Bliss at the same time… During a hard time I went through, not so long ago. I was deeply hurting, I couldn’t deal with the heavy suffering I was dealing with. I was absolutely crushed by my emotions. As I was crying in the shower: Words came out if “my” mouth. (And the I who had been used to speak and always thought that this mouth was “his” got absolutely shocked.) Words that came out: “How can I ever come wake you up, when all of your dreams are good and pleasant? You would be stuck in the illusion forever…” Suffering is Love. Its just a deep level of Love, so strong; That it kills you.

It definitely happens and will more than likely occur again even after this phase of anxiety is released. This is the process of purification, the mind slowly training itself to be at peace in the midst of pain or pleasure without craving and aversion. Long story short, sounds like you’re right on track! As far as strategies to help soften these kinds of phases of practice, 1) A shamatha focus rather than vipassana or open awareness. Focusing on feelings of bliss, happiness, contentment, and equanimity while following a meditation object like the breath sensations at the nostrils or whole body. 2) You can try a short breathwork session before a sit. Ive found doing anywhere from 2-5 mins of wim hof style breathing followed by holding my breath as long as possible afterwords to be extremely grounding and energetically clearing before meditation. 3) Throw in walking meditation. These can be very rejuvenating when formal seated practice becomes too intense. 4) Intentionally scale back practice. If 10 mins is all you feel called for, no reason to “should all over yourself” into thinking you need more. 1 minute of formal practice is better than none. Id keep the daily consistency, no matter how small. 5) Try meditating with meditative music or sound bowls. Can be very healing and help dissipate and transform the anxiety energy. 6) Listening to guided meditations. The only guided meditations Ill listen to are from a YouTube channel called Samaneri Jayasara, which is about as enlightening as guided meditations can be. 7) Endure, push through, bring equanimity and truth even to these sensations. At the end of the day, all moments are moments of truth and freedom. So even if we find relief through transformation, the process of purifying the mind means we will eventually be able to sit in sensations of anxiety with no issues.

You haven't read them all. I have read nde's where people are thrown into infinite love, consciousness and their lives are changed forever (based on their reports) Go to nderf.org, use the search function -> search for words like absolute love, infinite, eternal bliss etc etc. You will find some gems. Gl Here's a good one: https://www.nderf.org/Experiences/1mira_s_nde. Now that's what you call a NDE

@JuliusCaesar I see. And by being omnipotent do you mean transcending your own finite consciousness into infinite consciousness? What I hear Leo says to do. What happens to your finite state if you leave it for a while? Honestly looking at the comments, Dave seems like a very logical guy, and is willing to dismiss a lot of things that the scientific community regards as nonsense. In this matter I’m more on Dave’s side. With that being said, believing in this stuff (which I know is not helping) makes you seem like a crazy person, like you said. And because I don’t have any non-dual experiences, it’s essentially a belief at this point. For all that I know, all the non-dual mysticism stuff could be BS, and Dave may be correct, certainly seems more plausible considering everything that science is able to explain about the world. However, there is still much that is hard to explain. Carl-Richard did leave a comment about 7 months ago. Way before I was aware of this video. And I posted it mainly because I was like, ‘hey guys, I just found a debunking video of Quantum mechanics and mysticism’, so I thought all of Leo’s videos were BS’. From what I can see from the comment, Dave didn't agree at all, I think you’d have to write a paragraph explaining all of this to Dave and his followers. However, one thing I am confused about is that, if I am more than Dave about these ideas, it doesn’t really make sense, if they are true that is. Because I am definitely not as educated as Dave is, and thus am more likely based on common sense to fall into non-dual mysticism delusions about quantum mechanics. So, I am above and below Dave in a way (more open minded, but then less intelligent). @8Ball@Carl-Richard Generally what I understand about Dave based on what has been said and SD, is that Dave and most of the scientific community, assumes that anything that has a bit of mysticism (yellow and turquoise, possibly coral if that’s a stage too) in it must be stage blue nonsensical beliefs and dogmas. Which makes it convenient for them to ignore all the not so easy to explain stuff, I guess. But if the nature of mysticism and non-duality is abstract, then even doing experiments into it would conclude that it is not or not real. And thus is kinda pointless in a way. I would assume it is. But on the other hand, Leo makes go sound like love and bliss so I don't know what he is actually trying to say. This honestly sounds irresponsible to me (coming from a man who professes to be responsible with psychedelics), because of the experiences he has described in various psychedelic trips. They sound pretty excessive. And if people are to take that advice as a prescription, they’d likely f*ck themselves up (which is a big problem if independent bodies, they are not liable for hurting or damaging others). Have you done this yourself? If so, how is it? I may try some in the future, but a very small amount, I personally have no experience with psychedelics (or any drug at all), so I’m not sure how it’ll go. I have tried lucid dreaming in the past. I did reality checks during the day, and wrote every once in a while about my dreams in a dream journal, but it did not work though. However, I will say that my reality checks did get hijacked by my OCD a bit so that is probably the reason it did not work for me, and possibly wasn’t consistent enough about it, though I don’t remember exactly. Anyhow, I’m wondering how the phrase “I remember my dreams' would help me. I don’t think my brain knows it is dreaming when it is dreaming (or even what dreaming is), so asking it to remember something without that it knows of no inherent meaning doesn’t seem helpful. However, I could be wrong. Do lucid dreaming and taking 5 meo dmt have the same effect? I feel like they do two very different things. I may have repeated a few things, but I hope it makes sense to you. @Verdesbird Which school of ideas are you talking about? There are probably many schools and universities that actually teach things that are very similar to Leo. So, clearing your mind of those would not be helpful in any way (unless you're just believing them, which I am to a certain extent). Thank you.

@hyruga Indeed. Sometimes doing the very thing I love feels like bliss. Other times it feels like hell. Its tricky to keep the right psychological associations positive. Sometimes you might need discipline but that will change your frame of mind associated to that task to hell, which is something you might need at that moment to keep moving before turning it into bliss again. But again, too much bliss without awareness will make you crash.

If it’s in alignment with the vibration of your higher-self, then it isn’t a trap. A lot of people fall into the trap of hedonism where they trade short-term pleasures for long-term miseries. Being in alignment with your bliss and higher-self is not hedonism nor is it a trap. Notice that the opposite is true. If your life isn’t aligned with passion, intuition, etc., then do you see the problem there? See my post on Discipline is Ratshit - The Art of Blissipline for a fuller detailed explanation of this.

Seriously, any of y’all that haven’t tried to eat just raw fruits/vegetables for even just a day, I mean wow. I’ve been eating garbage lately, and decided to get back on my juicing grind. Holy shit. 8 hours later, my chi and kundalini energy is flowing so intensely through my entire being. My physical body is in existential grounded bliss right now. I’ve been progressing years of progress in one night, super productive, calm, socially benevolent, and envisioning my life purpose on an entirely God-Level of imagination. If you haven’t detoxed, do it!!!