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How can causality be explained from a nonduality perspective? With my model that's easy! The Word of God is an infinite string of information which can be represented by a single real number. Manifested reality is a result of that string unfolding in the present moment. As an illustration, take the number Pi = 3.14159265... and then examine what is the cause of say the 7th decimal. The cause of that decimal is the whole number Pi itself! So causality from a nondual perspective is a result of all of reality as a single whole. But who caused the Word of God? The answer is: nobody! How? Take the set R of all real numbers and simply pick one number representing the Word of God. That number just timelessly IS. Or as God said in the Bible, something like: "I am that I am." From dark to LIGHT.

Sadhguru talked about building a bridge between the external world to the physical body to the mental body and into the Source. That's what I call integral nonduality! The usual nondual teachings often lack the integral aspect and many teachers say things like: you are not your body. Roger Castillo said that those kinds of teachings are useful but he also like Sadhguru pointed out that there needs to be an integration into the physical world. If we say that we are not the body, then that's actually a duality separation. Sadguru even said that when we include our loved ones that's still separation and the same when we include our community and even when we include the whole country. Then what about QAnon who often writes about patriotism and especially with a focus on America? My impression is that Q is pointing to a bigger picture and includes patriotism worldwide. So in my opinion Q is including all of humanity in Where We Go One We Go All (WWG1WGA).

@Inliytened1 Damn, nonduality. Infinite and nothingness become one. No good and evil. No real and imaginary. That must be.. something. (And nothing lol)

Nonduality teacher Roger Castillo said that the feeling of free will is important but that there is no actual free will. That's a good point from an integral perspective where the ego is transcended and included. ACIM says: That's similar to what Castillo said, that there is free will in a sense. ACIM says that choice is meaningless. J. Krishnamurti said that choice is confusion. Those are good points too. So how to integrate non-doership and a sense of free will? One approach that I'm experimenting with is to experience prediction of the future as a sense instead of as a control and choice mechanism as in ordinary ego consciousness. This means I can think of possible future outcomes without taking it as definite plans or choices. It also means that I can instantly change my perception of the future based on new circumstances.

@electroBeam I believe (all speculation here) that upon inspection of the reoccurring thoughts which are in discord with feeling, what would be found is that there isn’t any “unique atypical high tolerance” situation. I think you’d find that you are using the substances to suppress the discord between thoughts & feeling, and it is leaving you feeling uneasy, frustrated, unhealthy, and ultimately revealing a desire to align the peace, love, & creator that you are, with the working, surviving, creating & accomplishing you do. I feel a not so subtle “cry for help” in your thread. To me, it reads as “I’ve realized this is a fucking dream - and that’s awesome - but wtf - why isn’t life ‘lining up’?” How to “line it up”? That boils down to aligning thought with feeling, as feeling is the guidance and therefore must be abided by, must be listened to. You have passion, creativity, desire & are very open minded. What I believe is desired, is vision, to answer the question, “how do I align the infinite dreamer I know I am, with this dream, this life?”. When in life is the resolution not “that thing” we’re so sick of hearing? Yep, I know it well too....and here it comes.... Make a dreamboard. Before doing this, thoughts are coming and going, as if if behind our head. We’re aware of them, but it’s kind of hard to ‘see the bigger picture’ when it’s not in front of our eyes. Dreamboarding get’s every thought, of everything you want, in front of you. You know all to well that thinking about doing something, is not the experience of doing something. You’d have to do this, to experience what I’m suggesting. You also know, wether you care to admit it or not, that not a one of us really ever “grows up”. We convince ourselves of this, via responsibility, pressure, deadlines, etc. We all to often succumb to it, at the expense of the relationship with our inner being, our inner guidance - that which you desire so strongly to never feel discord or disconnection with. We’re all in truth God’s children. Nonduality, yep...and yet, he who assumes the upper hand over inner being, does so at his own inevitable peril. Chronic discord of thought & feeling leads to a pretend seriousness, grandiose nonsense, resentment, bitterness, stress, tension, etc. This leads to dis-ease, turbulent relationships, etc. Everything, in terms of feeling, we don’t want. The kick in the balls, is feeling - guidance - told us this since day one. But one can get so lost in the woods, so deep in the pressures of surviving, that a rather simple thing seems blown out complicated and practically unfixable. One accustomed to pressure & efforting their way busting through brick walls, at first struggles to appreciate the effortlessness of a simple dry erase board, vision, and the unconditional love and magic of reality. I suggest you ‘take back your life’, and your happiness - that is, the relationship between you, and You, if you will. While the materialist paradigm and the believing of such thoughts can suggest to the contrary, this place is a dream. Put anyone, or anything, ahead of your relationship with the higher self within, and nothing makes sense anymore. Nothing clicks. The spring in your step & the joy in your heart just ain’t there - and that was what “worked”, what makes it all cohesively function like butter. Talking about your light here, your joy, your livelihood. I’m not suggesting you make any sudden changes, or that there’s actually anything you need to do. I’m suggesting that the dreamboard will reveal to you a series of “ah ha’s”, which reveal to you that your whole life, every experience, has lead up to a perfect culmination of the realization, and the illumination of the path of actualizing it, with natural passion & conviction - with a newly discovered knowing - of what you actually want to do, and what it looks like going forward. This would flush out some emotional misunderstanding in identity, resulting in profound understanding arising within you, making practices like meditation peaceful and fruitful, without any desire for substances. It doesn’t occur in a moment, but overtime. Again, if I’m off, or outta my place here, apologies. I just think you’re a cool, smart loving dude, and I love ya. There’s an “above my pay grade” reason I call it a dreamboard. I didn’t “think” of that my “self”.

The fellow in the video starts off by saying how he gets everything Leo says about nonduality, Oneness, psychedelics and the universe experiencing itself. He says it’s all stuff he’s heard before. He then goes on to show that he lacks understanding and embodiment. . . At the personal level, his views are very rational and practical. Yet he lacks understanding at a transpersonal level. He will be stuck here because he assumes he has understanding that he lacks. And what he lacks, he perceives as “too far”. Indeed it is “too far” for him. Going “far” requires a high level of curiosity, willingness and surrender. It isn’t for the faint of heart.

How to judge whether one is enlightened or not, I really don't know. For me, enlightenment means being fully conscious of all there is, nothing is unknown. And I'll know that I'm enlightened because nothing will be unknown. It can happen that people are just not speaking from the same meta level, or that the difference in meaning lies in how conscious one is. Like you might still find the word consciousness meaningful because of all the ideas associated with it or because it still points towards something for you. But on my side, the word doesn't really point to anything because of my level of awareness, I might have misinterpreted the concept or maybe embodied it or just transcended it to the point where it means nothing. By imagination I'm just referring to this whole meaningful and diverse world/reality. I'm referring to the duality in nonduality, all the form and the finitudes.

"There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so." Nonduality in a nutshell!

After looking around the forum. It seems that there is a culture that had been formalized around nonduality. After looking at other cultures. In the way things are said and done. There is a culture I have noticed that has spawned. In the way leo has made things to be funnelled. I didnt notice at first. This place is certainly run with an iron fist. But now I see it is all about lessening suffering for the whole. Really an intricately designed organization.

We humans are like "batteries" used by the global ego and are running its "programs". And one of the key characteristics of the global ego is that it operates through planning, predicting and controlling the future. And the personal ego is a reflection of that behavior. What if what the nonduality teachers say is true? That there are no actual separate doers. The Bible has verses about God being the only doer. And if we use the hypothesis Ramesh Balsekar has and in essence also mathematician Stephen Wolfram has, that the future is predetermined, then it might be possible to become more powerful than the global ego, not by trying to control or plan more ourselves but to do the opposite! The opposite is to have ZERO plans. I can feel how my own ego wants to cling to the idea of personal control and planning, but that could be global ego programs! If the hypothesis of nondoership is correct, then it can be tested by dropping all personal planning and control of the future. If it works, then one's personal power will actually increase, because it's the correct perspective and loads of control and management effort is removed.

You are already not the avatar, you are appearing as the avatar and realm of duality, so there is already not duality, so the belief to let go is that you are only the avatar, and are separate from anything. If there was anything which could ‘merge into’ nonduality, that would imply there is not nonduality. This is like a flashlight asking from the perspective of the lens “If I remove the lens from the flashlight and there is only flashlight, when the lens is put back on, would the lens return to the light on the wall?” The ‘flashlight’ is eternal and appearing as the lens and light on the wall. The belief to inspect is death, and I’d break it down in terms of direct experience of thought, perception and feeling, and scrutinize how & what you directly experience death to be. No, actually. There is only nonduality. Also, it make sense why someone who experienced trauma would have a likelihood of more fear in ego death, and why there would be an increased likelihood of reaching the void and wrestling with nihilism. My advice would be to contemplate a slight rephrasing of your question, writing down anything that arises...”Why would ego death be scarier for someone who experienced trauma?” If it’s helpful, start from the premise - “wouldn’t it actually be easier?”

@Dino D you( God, the creator) are too powerful and alone, everything is you, thats the reason why you created the ego, because of purpose of duality is satisfaction and love. God loves to see its duality to satisfy itself that it is not alone. Love is the bridge between duality to non duality. Thats why all is one, because both sides complete each other. If god side never realize duality, It will never be understand that it is god. Thats why we created ourselves as a human now. God must create something separate from it in order to be a god, because in non duality everything is god. Such as , if cold is not exist warm can never be exist, if evil not exist goodnesses can never be exist. Thats the reason why many people must not know about they are God, because if everyone knows this knowledge it can never be duality. Because of that evil must be exist in entire civilizations, which is ever existed and will be exist. Additionally, don’t forget that these are all words and sounds. All is one, love and infinite. Duality, nonduality, god, human, bird, superhuman, everything and nothing exist and not exist at the same time. Because it is infinite. I cant find words to describe it. All is happening now. If you can understand it throughout language you know what the enlightenment is according to words.

The Truth sank into realisation. All is one and I am it. I am all of this At first I thought realising the truth would be some out of this world, super special, mystical experience.. This right here is a mystical 'experience' ? There is no such thing as a more or less special 'experience', it's all one and the same thing. I am it all. Realising truth is very intimate and beautiful. What the hell is consciousness?? What the hell is enlightenment?? It doesn't even matter what it is. I am it. Whatever is, I am it. I am time, I am light, I am darkness, I am void, I am death, I am life, I am love, I am fear, I am infinity, I am finite, I am imagination, I am awakening. And what are all those things? Me, I am it all. Because that's the truth. No matter the circumstances, no matter the where or the when. I am There's no grounding myself in this, what a ridiculous notion ? I am it, God damnit! Call it nothing, call it nonduality, call it everything, call it God. Hell, call it evil or shit or nonsense if you want. It doesn't matter, nothing matters. The truth is I am it all and it's one. It's all one and the same thing, and it's me. It really doesn't matter what I do, it all is love, all of it.. struggle, bliss, it's all love. That's what it truly is, what every thing, every state, every phenomena, what it truly is is Love. It's me. How is it love? Because it is. It just is. The question 'How' is love. The answer to the question.. is also love. Every happening is love. It's self love. Love loving itself, it's all one. All along, the only thing I am, the only embodiment there is - is the embodiment of love. I am literally what is! I can't even say the truth has been right in front of me ? It's more accurate to say that the truth has been my face this entire eternity. And this is eternity, there's no attaining immortality and eternity, this right here.. this is it. This is never going to end, Never! Nor does it even change, it all is as it is! It's one and the same thing, night and day are one and the same thing. What the hell is duality and nonduality?? As you breathe, all this is the only thing that is and will forever be. No matter the circumstances, it's all one. Nonduality will never be attained/known until that which already is, in pure actuality, is embodied. Until then, nothing will ever be known simply because there's nothing to know. All that is known is imagined so. This is The Truth So simple, so obvious, literally the clearest thing that can ever be, requiring no form of intelligence whatsoever. One merely has to breathe it in to get it.. It's just that obvious. This Truth is love is one and Is I Am it ? So I'm going to leave The Truth Pilgrimage as it is, and see what the next pilgrimage or journey will be. ??????????????????

@Hello from Russia Oh, I think I have not expressed myself accurately enough. My point was that there are many who are overindulged either in survival (people who just chase money and success) or people who only chase enlightenment after enlightenment while neglecting mastering life on a more relative plane (a.k.a. survival). In my current opinion, fulfilling for a HUMAN BEING life consists of being HUMAN and BEING. Therefore balancing the two. In the end, nonduality includes duality. One ramification of this is incorporating survival in one's pursuits. Even though I think there is a point to transcend survival to a high extend I currently strive to become masterful at both. Are we on the same page now?

Hi, So, I was having very negative thoughts and stuck in some negativity lately, so I took 3 tabs on an empty stomach (16 hrs fasted). Within ten minutes I started laughing and at the 30 min mark was in full nonduality, lol. Anyways, some points from the trip were: -Cant believe more people arent talking about these substances..like happiness and enlightement in a pill..30mins. WOW. -Must have an anonymous youtube and blog to spread the nondual awareness around these substances -There is nothing to do, chase, go, be, etc. THIS was LIBERATING but caused an INCREASE in desire to do things out of love. The ego mind perceives this insight as laziness, far from it. -This stuff is the be all end all. Nonduality, which i may have never experienced ever in my life, was there for 3 hours . It's not just adding and changing your personal self - NO MORE SELF DEVELOPMENT - WHERE DOES IT END??? its about SELF ANNIHILATION INTO LOVE AND INFINITY!!! -Starring at a deoderant, felt infinite love, wonder, curiosity, awe, and no seperateness. "natural or unnatural deodorant" seemed absurd. Kinda like leos pube hair in the bathroom. Gotta indescriminately love even the mildew in the bathroom haha. -Infinite healing in that session. The love of god is all i need. -Even if i traveled to some astral realm or other world or aliens were here, it wouldnt have been good as my expereience, because form can be anything, but if you arent connected to truth and have a silent mind through whatever means, you CAN NOT be happy. -Helped a ton with my past truama. Looked in the mirror and loved even my flaws and not shaving and everything. Brutal shit haha. I felt like I couldn't love the way i look. I felt like a burnout and the acid made my face all red and blochy, but I loved it all anyways. -Going to do this as therapy every month or two weeks, really, anything other than this I'm just fucking around. These are the #1 tools for me to get my shit together on all levels, it's really crazy how good my life is one week out. -Deepest insights are non verbal -Couldn't imagine being an ego or having one in the future. All i knew was I was enlightened now and it may be permanent. Once you see the Truth, you can't unsee it? Weird how that works. -HOW TF do people do this "recreationally" - it's just straight enlightenment almost every time. -Weed is intensified and basically I raise my consciousness to a mystical level and it's very profound almost every time, its like a calmer high. I realized I was God last night, and perhaps deeper insights than in my trip haha. The day after I got sucked STRAIGHT in nonduality of no thought for like 30 seconds, beautiful, but not as intense. -- Concerns: -Acid lasted like 3-4 hours of Nonduality, then I crashed HARD AS FUCK and coujldnt think of function for like the next 10 fucking hours and felt so shitty like I was on a high dose of adderall or something, hate acid. happens every time even when i have mystical expriences, so i doubt it's fake acid. -No vizuals unless i close my eyes and really focus, i see different colors. Feels clean though, so dont think it was fake. All these psuedo vizuals are gone at 3hr mark, 100% -How many times of breakthroughs will I be able to "permanently" or have these sort of states SOBER? I don't understand why Leo can't drop down to our level and be practical about this. Saying "it's a duality" this or that, is just a cute philosophy. You're either fucking awake and non-dual, or you're not. That's just my POV

So today i had a very interesting meditation experience. First of all i haven’t been meditating for almost a year now because of various reasons. But i have meditated and contemplated in the past a lot. So i think i have a pretty good understanding of nonduality. Also i had my first awakening experience about three months ago while tripping on mushroms. But thats another story. Basically just today i decided i really want to start meditating again. I created a to do list for 100 days of meditation. After that i sat down and started meditating and not even 10minutes have passed when my consciousness started shifting in a very wierd way it wasn't like anything i have ever experienced during meditation. I started to feel this presure on my eyes and then everything started to feel much more lucid. Suddenly i wasn't simply aware of the things in front of me but all consciousness around me. It is kind of difficult to explain but yeah... And then i started getting excited and it faded. i think this was a slight taste of nonduality through meditation (but I obviously fucked it up haha). But I never thought your state of consciousness could shift in such a significant way just by meditating. Very crazy I also find it very interesting that i had the strongest experience through meditation after more than a year with no meditation and basically no conscious lifestyle. I think this might me because when i meditated daily amd contemplated constantly i always wanted this awakening soo bad but this was probably the biggest obastacle to it. Anyways i just wanted to share this experience i had with yall.

It's of course fine to use pointers in the form of 'ego' and 'fear' in noduality teachings, but what the spiritual teachers are pointing at is a trans-conceptual state that Shunyamurti talked about. Even meta perspectives can often become just another abstraction level of concepts. The trans-conceptual understanding is more like an under-standing, to stand under the concepts. A sense that sees through the layers of concepts. Regular thoughts are concepts. Words are concepts. When J. Krishnamurti said "the observer is the observed" then those are concepts too! One insight I got is that thoughts themselves are a false perspective of separations. So the whole foundation of thinking therefore becomes invalid! Thoughts are of course valid on the conceptual level but when we use thoughts as a foundation for dealing with nonduality it becomes a false foundation.

One mistake I have made in the past, or it can be called limitation if there are no actual mistakes fundamentally in reality, is to examine nonduality from my conceptual understanding. So what's wrong with that? The error, the false perspective I had, is to start with the concepts as a foundation. That misses the actual nonduality, for the concepts are already a mistaken perspective of separation. The very word 'nonduality' itself is a separate concept so it's already a false duality label. And the same with the word 'ego' which is a label, a false duality concept, pointing to a separate sense of self so it becomes a double mistake of separation. This results in a situation where seemingly clear meaning is in reality a mess of false divisions.

@Leo Gura i think i see where the problem is and im really trying my best to make my points clear and not offensive and at the same time as direct as possible so please try to be open to it.. the problem is that ur stuck in an absolute worldview u either perceive reality in an absolute nondual way like saying that every thing is one being and in an absolute dual way like saying that meaning (dualistic relative notion) is illusory b cuz its imagined, so u perceive duality as nonduality. in ur mind which u cant even perceive as different from anything else right now, theres a thought "duality is nonduality". in other words ur confusing the two and lumping them into one altogether without any distinctions while justifying that to urself by saying that all distinctions are imagined and therefore false or relative. BUT that is yet another imagined distinction or isnt is? so the meta view here is that its a strange loop ie imagination calling imagination out. u see u cant escape imagination b cuz its all there is. and while on the one hand theres truly only one being, on the other hand duality is flexible it can be two or three or infinity and it is in fact infinity. think of the yin and yang symbol. right now when u look at the whole circle u only perceive the circle without color and u cant tell the difference between the yin and the yang any more and even when u try to find them u only perceive one of them and think its both ie ur perceiving a grey circle instead of black and white so ur not able to perceive each color individually and the totality of them together at the same time b cuz ur (hopefully temporarily) unable to create distinctions or contrasts but unfortunately stuck with one and only one malignant distinction that says all distinctions are illusory. right now ur viewing reality from such a narrow perspective that is not even binary and it cannot even allow binaries to exist b cuz theyre imagined and therefore illusory and therefore dismissed but the one truth is infinite binaries and of course we should end up with a strange loop as the limitations of the mind and language impose b cuz once u capture the one truth it immediately splits up into two once again (binary) and so on it goes forever (including this truth as theres awareness of it). thats the nature of god it has awareness and it has thought and theyre both one and the same only in different forms so of course duality is nonduality but that doesnt remove duality it does not dissolve but rather it gets sharper and yet at the same time u understand deepest down that the essence is one and cannot be captured but can only be

With such an attitude, in practice, you won't reach permanent nonduality. Of course you could get lucky. But I wouldn't count on that. If you want LSD levels of consciousness sober, you're gonna have to devote your life to it. One of the reasons I trick you guys into trying psychedelics is so that you realize what is possible if you get serious about this work. Without the LSD you would have never taken the work seriously enough to see what is possible. Now you know what's possible but you are still too lazy to actualize it. Maybe one day that will change. Or not. Up to you.

just a thought.. how about u stop teaching nonduality and go back to basic self help stuff? u were great there its such a waste to see u leaving that behind

@Waken it was I guess volume 3., these books are very good for 'nonduality' begginers.

These quotes seem very relevant to what Leo described. I figured I'd just post them here as well. They primarily describe the transition from the 500's (Love) to the 600's (Enlightenment, bliss, formlessness) on the Map of Consciousness. Interestingly, about 50% of people choose to leave the body upon entering the 600's, like Leo seemingly had the option to do. "Enlightenment proper, that is, the replacement of duality with nonduality, calibrates at 600 or over. We could say that any calibration of 600 or more formally denotes enlightenment. At about the calibrated level of 600, bliss intervenes and worldly activity stops, sometimes permanently. If the person is destined to remain in the world, this state is said to ‘ripen’, and there is a slow return of the capacity to function. Some enlightened ‘persons’ retreat to spiritual practice and meditation and evolve into the 700s. At that level, the world as commonly described is no longer a self-existent reality. There are neither separate persons nor a world that needs saving. All is evolving according to Divine Will. The world is surrendered to God, and its destiny is self-fulfilling. No intervention is necessary. All life is the evolution of consciousness and the unfolding of Creation. [...] Only pure consciousness devoid of content can pass through the barriers of perception and become the clear water beyond the screen. When it is said that no person can be enlightened, it means that personhood is filtered out by the screening and cannot pass beyond it. (This statement calibrates at 600.) Q: What does it mean to go into a bliss state? What does one do? What happens? A: To be dissolved into intense, infinite love is overwhelming and incapacitating. There is neither the desire nor the capability to emerge from that state unaided. All bodily functions cease. Even breathing itself may cease and resume only in response to an entreaty from another person who is intensely loving. However, it is not necessary to do so. One has permission by knowingness to leave the body as an option. In this case, in order to acknowledge love, breathing resumed. Perhaps it was decided by karma. However, the choice was also made with the concurrent awareness that any return to physicality was only temporary and the final dissolution back into Infinite Love was inevitable and certain. Compared to the eternity of that infinite state, a short return to the realm of physicality seemed trivial. Q: What if there was nobody around to entreat one to return to worldly life? A: Whether or not those conditions prevail probably depends on karma, circumstances, conditions, Divine Will, and the interaction of the universe as a totality. If there were no entreaties, then the body would expire, which at the time would be quite agreeable. When Ramana Maharshi went into that bliss state spontaneously, he was not discovered for some lengthy period by which time he had been severely bitten by many insects and had been without sustenance for an unknown number of days. He was entreated to drink and eat. He responded slowly and eventually resumed movement and function; however, he did not speak in language for another two years. Q: Does the sense of self disappear? After all, the ego fears death. A: When the self dissolves into the Self, it is experienced as a great expansion from limited, transitory, and vulnerable to immortal, infinite Allness that transcends all worlds and universes. As such, the Self is not subject to death or birth, as it exists beyond temporality. The obscurity of the Self was the result of merely misidentifying perception as representing all Reality. [...] The EEG of the enlightened sage is dominated by slow Theta waves (4–7 cycles per sec.), which make functioning in the ordinary world quite difficult. In that state, the option to leave the world at any time persists and is a permanent, open option as though it was part of a silent agreement or knowingness. There is no obligation to persist or continue. Q: How then does earthly life resume? A: After a period of years, adjustment is made with the relearning of communication styles and a reacquaintance with human affairs sufficient to function. Recent history had to be caught up on. This can be accomplished by getting a television, watching the news reports, and reading newspaper headlines. There is an ongoing dialog within the overall field of human consciousness that is as though transparent by its essence; and by recognition, it offers aspects with which one has an option to respond." Hawkins, David R.. The Eye of the I . Hay House. Kindle Edition.

Love created Love. Because it is what it is. ISness is ISness. Any dualistic construct will eventual become circular as it collapses into nonduality. It’s fun to create constructs, yet it becomes frustrating when we try to build concrete constructs made of sand.

All past,present and future are happenings in awareness that's "You" in ultimate sense..when you are in duality(means pleasure -pain,good-bad, day-night these unending dual opposite experiences)you feels limited in body mind constitution and run by "Ego"..This is duality..Actually all dualities are conducted by Nature/Prakruthi/ Shakthi/potential field itself..So where is ego which we pretend to be..?? If we understand this truth deeply defnitely a sudden perception change takes place.. We are nothing but pure awareness(Nondual principle)which reflects these duality..Once we reach this stage naturally we can see this existence as a ever present dynamic flux of nature where all movements are happens by itself...So nonduality is the ultimate point of view for the seekers and ego losses it's power..