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After looking around the forum. It seems that there is a culture that had been formalized around nonduality. After looking at other cultures. In the way things are said and done. There is a culture I have noticed that has spawned. In the way leo has made things to be funnelled. I didnt notice at first. This place is certainly run with an iron fist. But now I see it is all about lessening suffering for the whole. Really an intricately designed organization.

We humans are like "batteries" used by the global ego and are running its "programs". And one of the key characteristics of the global ego is that it operates through planning, predicting and controlling the future. And the personal ego is a reflection of that behavior. What if what the nonduality teachers say is true? That there are no actual separate doers. The Bible has verses about God being the only doer. And if we use the hypothesis Ramesh Balsekar has and in essence also mathematician Stephen Wolfram has, that the future is predetermined, then it might be possible to become more powerful than the global ego, not by trying to control or plan more ourselves but to do the opposite! The opposite is to have ZERO plans. I can feel how my own ego wants to cling to the idea of personal control and planning, but that could be global ego programs! If the hypothesis of nondoership is correct, then it can be tested by dropping all personal planning and control of the future. If it works, then one's personal power will actually increase, because it's the correct perspective and loads of control and management effort is removed.

You are already not the avatar, you are appearing as the avatar and realm of duality, so there is already not duality, so the belief to let go is that you are only the avatar, and are separate from anything. If there was anything which could ‘merge into’ nonduality, that would imply there is not nonduality. This is like a flashlight asking from the perspective of the lens “If I remove the lens from the flashlight and there is only flashlight, when the lens is put back on, would the lens return to the light on the wall?” The ‘flashlight’ is eternal and appearing as the lens and light on the wall. The belief to inspect is death, and I’d break it down in terms of direct experience of thought, perception and feeling, and scrutinize how & what you directly experience death to be. No, actually. There is only nonduality. Also, it make sense why someone who experienced trauma would have a likelihood of more fear in ego death, and why there would be an increased likelihood of reaching the void and wrestling with nihilism. My advice would be to contemplate a slight rephrasing of your question, writing down anything that arises...”Why would ego death be scarier for someone who experienced trauma?” If it’s helpful, start from the premise - “wouldn’t it actually be easier?”

@Dino D you( God, the creator) are too powerful and alone, everything is you, thats the reason why you created the ego, because of purpose of duality is satisfaction and love. God loves to see its duality to satisfy itself that it is not alone. Love is the bridge between duality to non duality. Thats why all is one, because both sides complete each other. If god side never realize duality, It will never be understand that it is god. Thats why we created ourselves as a human now. God must create something separate from it in order to be a god, because in non duality everything is god. Such as , if cold is not exist warm can never be exist, if evil not exist goodnesses can never be exist. Thats the reason why many people must not know about they are God, because if everyone knows this knowledge it can never be duality. Because of that evil must be exist in entire civilizations, which is ever existed and will be exist. Additionally, don’t forget that these are all words and sounds. All is one, love and infinite. Duality, nonduality, god, human, bird, superhuman, everything and nothing exist and not exist at the same time. Because it is infinite. I cant find words to describe it. All is happening now. If you can understand it throughout language you know what the enlightenment is according to words.

The Truth sank into realisation. All is one and I am it. I am all of this At first I thought realising the truth would be some out of this world, super special, mystical experience.. This right here is a mystical 'experience' ? There is no such thing as a more or less special 'experience', it's all one and the same thing. I am it all. Realising truth is very intimate and beautiful. What the hell is consciousness?? What the hell is enlightenment?? It doesn't even matter what it is. I am it. Whatever is, I am it. I am time, I am light, I am darkness, I am void, I am death, I am life, I am love, I am fear, I am infinity, I am finite, I am imagination, I am awakening. And what are all those things? Me, I am it all. Because that's the truth. No matter the circumstances, no matter the where or the when. I am There's no grounding myself in this, what a ridiculous notion ? I am it, God damnit! Call it nothing, call it nonduality, call it everything, call it God. Hell, call it evil or shit or nonsense if you want. It doesn't matter, nothing matters. The truth is I am it all and it's one. It's all one and the same thing, and it's me. It really doesn't matter what I do, it all is love, all of it.. struggle, bliss, it's all love. That's what it truly is, what every thing, every state, every phenomena, what it truly is is Love. It's me. How is it love? Because it is. It just is. The question 'How' is love. The answer to the question.. is also love. Every happening is love. It's self love. Love loving itself, it's all one. All along, the only thing I am, the only embodiment there is - is the embodiment of love. I am literally what is! I can't even say the truth has been right in front of me ? It's more accurate to say that the truth has been my face this entire eternity. And this is eternity, there's no attaining immortality and eternity, this right here.. this is it. This is never going to end, Never! Nor does it even change, it all is as it is! It's one and the same thing, night and day are one and the same thing. What the hell is duality and nonduality?? As you breathe, all this is the only thing that is and will forever be. No matter the circumstances, it's all one. Nonduality will never be attained/known until that which already is, in pure actuality, is embodied. Until then, nothing will ever be known simply because there's nothing to know. All that is known is imagined so. This is The Truth So simple, so obvious, literally the clearest thing that can ever be, requiring no form of intelligence whatsoever. One merely has to breathe it in to get it.. It's just that obvious. This Truth is love is one and Is I Am it ? So I'm going to leave The Truth Pilgrimage as it is, and see what the next pilgrimage or journey will be. ??????????????????

@Hello from Russia Oh, I think I have not expressed myself accurately enough. My point was that there are many who are overindulged either in survival (people who just chase money and success) or people who only chase enlightenment after enlightenment while neglecting mastering life on a more relative plane (a.k.a. survival). In my current opinion, fulfilling for a HUMAN BEING life consists of being HUMAN and BEING. Therefore balancing the two. In the end, nonduality includes duality. One ramification of this is incorporating survival in one's pursuits. Even though I think there is a point to transcend survival to a high extend I currently strive to become masterful at both. Are we on the same page now?

Hi, So, I was having very negative thoughts and stuck in some negativity lately, so I took 3 tabs on an empty stomach (16 hrs fasted). Within ten minutes I started laughing and at the 30 min mark was in full nonduality, lol. Anyways, some points from the trip were: -Cant believe more people arent talking about these substances..like happiness and enlightement in a pill..30mins. WOW. -Must have an anonymous youtube and blog to spread the nondual awareness around these substances -There is nothing to do, chase, go, be, etc. THIS was LIBERATING but caused an INCREASE in desire to do things out of love. The ego mind perceives this insight as laziness, far from it. -This stuff is the be all end all. Nonduality, which i may have never experienced ever in my life, was there for 3 hours . It's not just adding and changing your personal self - NO MORE SELF DEVELOPMENT - WHERE DOES IT END??? its about SELF ANNIHILATION INTO LOVE AND INFINITY!!! -Starring at a deoderant, felt infinite love, wonder, curiosity, awe, and no seperateness. "natural or unnatural deodorant" seemed absurd. Kinda like leos pube hair in the bathroom. Gotta indescriminately love even the mildew in the bathroom haha. -Infinite healing in that session. The love of god is all i need. -Even if i traveled to some astral realm or other world or aliens were here, it wouldnt have been good as my expereience, because form can be anything, but if you arent connected to truth and have a silent mind through whatever means, you CAN NOT be happy. -Helped a ton with my past truama. Looked in the mirror and loved even my flaws and not shaving and everything. Brutal shit haha. I felt like I couldn't love the way i look. I felt like a burnout and the acid made my face all red and blochy, but I loved it all anyways. -Going to do this as therapy every month or two weeks, really, anything other than this I'm just fucking around. These are the #1 tools for me to get my shit together on all levels, it's really crazy how good my life is one week out. -Deepest insights are non verbal -Couldn't imagine being an ego or having one in the future. All i knew was I was enlightened now and it may be permanent. Once you see the Truth, you can't unsee it? Weird how that works. -HOW TF do people do this "recreationally" - it's just straight enlightenment almost every time. -Weed is intensified and basically I raise my consciousness to a mystical level and it's very profound almost every time, its like a calmer high. I realized I was God last night, and perhaps deeper insights than in my trip haha. The day after I got sucked STRAIGHT in nonduality of no thought for like 30 seconds, beautiful, but not as intense. -- Concerns: -Acid lasted like 3-4 hours of Nonduality, then I crashed HARD AS FUCK and coujldnt think of function for like the next 10 fucking hours and felt so shitty like I was on a high dose of adderall or something, hate acid. happens every time even when i have mystical expriences, so i doubt it's fake acid. -No vizuals unless i close my eyes and really focus, i see different colors. Feels clean though, so dont think it was fake. All these psuedo vizuals are gone at 3hr mark, 100% -How many times of breakthroughs will I be able to "permanently" or have these sort of states SOBER? I don't understand why Leo can't drop down to our level and be practical about this. Saying "it's a duality" this or that, is just a cute philosophy. You're either fucking awake and non-dual, or you're not. That's just my POV

So today i had a very interesting meditation experience. First of all i haven’t been meditating for almost a year now because of various reasons. But i have meditated and contemplated in the past a lot. So i think i have a pretty good understanding of nonduality. Also i had my first awakening experience about three months ago while tripping on mushroms. But thats another story. Basically just today i decided i really want to start meditating again. I created a to do list for 100 days of meditation. After that i sat down and started meditating and not even 10minutes have passed when my consciousness started shifting in a very wierd way it wasn't like anything i have ever experienced during meditation. I started to feel this presure on my eyes and then everything started to feel much more lucid. Suddenly i wasn't simply aware of the things in front of me but all consciousness around me. It is kind of difficult to explain but yeah... And then i started getting excited and it faded. i think this was a slight taste of nonduality through meditation (but I obviously fucked it up haha). But I never thought your state of consciousness could shift in such a significant way just by meditating. Very crazy I also find it very interesting that i had the strongest experience through meditation after more than a year with no meditation and basically no conscious lifestyle. I think this might me because when i meditated daily amd contemplated constantly i always wanted this awakening soo bad but this was probably the biggest obastacle to it. Anyways i just wanted to share this experience i had with yall.

It's of course fine to use pointers in the form of 'ego' and 'fear' in noduality teachings, but what the spiritual teachers are pointing at is a trans-conceptual state that Shunyamurti talked about. Even meta perspectives can often become just another abstraction level of concepts. The trans-conceptual understanding is more like an under-standing, to stand under the concepts. A sense that sees through the layers of concepts. Regular thoughts are concepts. Words are concepts. When J. Krishnamurti said "the observer is the observed" then those are concepts too! One insight I got is that thoughts themselves are a false perspective of separations. So the whole foundation of thinking therefore becomes invalid! Thoughts are of course valid on the conceptual level but when we use thoughts as a foundation for dealing with nonduality it becomes a false foundation.

One mistake I have made in the past, or it can be called limitation if there are no actual mistakes fundamentally in reality, is to examine nonduality from my conceptual understanding. So what's wrong with that? The error, the false perspective I had, is to start with the concepts as a foundation. That misses the actual nonduality, for the concepts are already a mistaken perspective of separation. The very word 'nonduality' itself is a separate concept so it's already a false duality label. And the same with the word 'ego' which is a label, a false duality concept, pointing to a separate sense of self so it becomes a double mistake of separation. This results in a situation where seemingly clear meaning is in reality a mess of false divisions.

@Leo Gura i think i see where the problem is and im really trying my best to make my points clear and not offensive and at the same time as direct as possible so please try to be open to it.. the problem is that ur stuck in an absolute worldview u either perceive reality in an absolute nondual way like saying that every thing is one being and in an absolute dual way like saying that meaning (dualistic relative notion) is illusory b cuz its imagined, so u perceive duality as nonduality. in ur mind which u cant even perceive as different from anything else right now, theres a thought "duality is nonduality". in other words ur confusing the two and lumping them into one altogether without any distinctions while justifying that to urself by saying that all distinctions are imagined and therefore false or relative. BUT that is yet another imagined distinction or isnt is? so the meta view here is that its a strange loop ie imagination calling imagination out. u see u cant escape imagination b cuz its all there is. and while on the one hand theres truly only one being, on the other hand duality is flexible it can be two or three or infinity and it is in fact infinity. think of the yin and yang symbol. right now when u look at the whole circle u only perceive the circle without color and u cant tell the difference between the yin and the yang any more and even when u try to find them u only perceive one of them and think its both ie ur perceiving a grey circle instead of black and white so ur not able to perceive each color individually and the totality of them together at the same time b cuz ur (hopefully temporarily) unable to create distinctions or contrasts but unfortunately stuck with one and only one malignant distinction that says all distinctions are illusory. right now ur viewing reality from such a narrow perspective that is not even binary and it cannot even allow binaries to exist b cuz theyre imagined and therefore illusory and therefore dismissed but the one truth is infinite binaries and of course we should end up with a strange loop as the limitations of the mind and language impose b cuz once u capture the one truth it immediately splits up into two once again (binary) and so on it goes forever (including this truth as theres awareness of it). thats the nature of god it has awareness and it has thought and theyre both one and the same only in different forms so of course duality is nonduality but that doesnt remove duality it does not dissolve but rather it gets sharper and yet at the same time u understand deepest down that the essence is one and cannot be captured but can only be

With such an attitude, in practice, you won't reach permanent nonduality. Of course you could get lucky. But I wouldn't count on that. If you want LSD levels of consciousness sober, you're gonna have to devote your life to it. One of the reasons I trick you guys into trying psychedelics is so that you realize what is possible if you get serious about this work. Without the LSD you would have never taken the work seriously enough to see what is possible. Now you know what's possible but you are still too lazy to actualize it. Maybe one day that will change. Or not. Up to you.

just a thought.. how about u stop teaching nonduality and go back to basic self help stuff? u were great there its such a waste to see u leaving that behind

@Waken it was I guess volume 3., these books are very good for 'nonduality' begginers.

These quotes seem very relevant to what Leo described. I figured I'd just post them here as well. They primarily describe the transition from the 500's (Love) to the 600's (Enlightenment, bliss, formlessness) on the Map of Consciousness. Interestingly, about 50% of people choose to leave the body upon entering the 600's, like Leo seemingly had the option to do. "Enlightenment proper, that is, the replacement of duality with nonduality, calibrates at 600 or over. We could say that any calibration of 600 or more formally denotes enlightenment. At about the calibrated level of 600, bliss intervenes and worldly activity stops, sometimes permanently. If the person is destined to remain in the world, this state is said to ‘ripen’, and there is a slow return of the capacity to function. Some enlightened ‘persons’ retreat to spiritual practice and meditation and evolve into the 700s. At that level, the world as commonly described is no longer a self-existent reality. There are neither separate persons nor a world that needs saving. All is evolving according to Divine Will. The world is surrendered to God, and its destiny is self-fulfilling. No intervention is necessary. All life is the evolution of consciousness and the unfolding of Creation. [...] Only pure consciousness devoid of content can pass through the barriers of perception and become the clear water beyond the screen. When it is said that no person can be enlightened, it means that personhood is filtered out by the screening and cannot pass beyond it. (This statement calibrates at 600.) Q: What does it mean to go into a bliss state? What does one do? What happens? A: To be dissolved into intense, infinite love is overwhelming and incapacitating. There is neither the desire nor the capability to emerge from that state unaided. All bodily functions cease. Even breathing itself may cease and resume only in response to an entreaty from another person who is intensely loving. However, it is not necessary to do so. One has permission by knowingness to leave the body as an option. In this case, in order to acknowledge love, breathing resumed. Perhaps it was decided by karma. However, the choice was also made with the concurrent awareness that any return to physicality was only temporary and the final dissolution back into Infinite Love was inevitable and certain. Compared to the eternity of that infinite state, a short return to the realm of physicality seemed trivial. Q: What if there was nobody around to entreat one to return to worldly life? A: Whether or not those conditions prevail probably depends on karma, circumstances, conditions, Divine Will, and the interaction of the universe as a totality. If there were no entreaties, then the body would expire, which at the time would be quite agreeable. When Ramana Maharshi went into that bliss state spontaneously, he was not discovered for some lengthy period by which time he had been severely bitten by many insects and had been without sustenance for an unknown number of days. He was entreated to drink and eat. He responded slowly and eventually resumed movement and function; however, he did not speak in language for another two years. Q: Does the sense of self disappear? After all, the ego fears death. A: When the self dissolves into the Self, it is experienced as a great expansion from limited, transitory, and vulnerable to immortal, infinite Allness that transcends all worlds and universes. As such, the Self is not subject to death or birth, as it exists beyond temporality. The obscurity of the Self was the result of merely misidentifying perception as representing all Reality. [...] The EEG of the enlightened sage is dominated by slow Theta waves (4–7 cycles per sec.), which make functioning in the ordinary world quite difficult. In that state, the option to leave the world at any time persists and is a permanent, open option as though it was part of a silent agreement or knowingness. There is no obligation to persist or continue. Q: How then does earthly life resume? A: After a period of years, adjustment is made with the relearning of communication styles and a reacquaintance with human affairs sufficient to function. Recent history had to be caught up on. This can be accomplished by getting a television, watching the news reports, and reading newspaper headlines. There is an ongoing dialog within the overall field of human consciousness that is as though transparent by its essence; and by recognition, it offers aspects with which one has an option to respond." Hawkins, David R.. The Eye of the I . Hay House. Kindle Edition.

Love created Love. Because it is what it is. ISness is ISness. Any dualistic construct will eventual become circular as it collapses into nonduality. It’s fun to create constructs, yet it becomes frustrating when we try to build concrete constructs made of sand.

All past,present and future are happenings in awareness that's "You" in ultimate sense..when you are in duality(means pleasure -pain,good-bad, day-night these unending dual opposite experiences)you feels limited in body mind constitution and run by "Ego"..This is duality..Actually all dualities are conducted by Nature/Prakruthi/ Shakthi/potential field itself..So where is ego which we pretend to be..?? If we understand this truth deeply defnitely a sudden perception change takes place.. We are nothing but pure awareness(Nondual principle)which reflects these duality..Once we reach this stage naturally we can see this existence as a ever present dynamic flux of nature where all movements are happens by itself...So nonduality is the ultimate point of view for the seekers and ego losses it's power..

This is what I mean. Rupert Spira is lost in his own mind here. He's still not understanding how radical nonduality truly is. Other minds are being imagined by him. He still doesn't understand that not only are other minds his own imagination, even his own past states and memories are all imagined in the present. Rupert Spira is imagining that he's ever had a past mind. This is why you should do 5-MeO-DMT. Self-inquiry is not going to be enough to bust through that illusion. He's been at this for 40 years and yet he's still subtly trapped in duality and imagination. Like I warned you guys, be very careful who you consider to be truly awake. There is no Leo's mahasamadhi. You have imagined Leo! There is only YOUR mahasamadhi. When you awaken, you will realize that Leo is some bullshit idea you invented to deepen your dream. You are imagining my mahasamadhi so that you can avoid your own. You clever devil. If another living being appears to you, it's because you imagine it. Your mother and father are imaginary. Try swallowing that one. Since you are God, you are ABSOLUTE. That means you have total access to everything that exists. The trick is, the only thing that exits, is whatever appears right now. Period. That's Absolute Consciousness. There is nothing behind the curtain. But is sure fucking seems like there is. Because your imagine it. Most people are so terrified of this possibility that they just insist on imagining others. And so they stay lost in the dream.

I wanted to trip for a couple of weeks now but didn’t get the chance. Today was different. Woke up early and felt the vibe. So I got out the ol’ pile of mushrooms and prepared a nice cup of tea. Lit a candle, drank the drink and waited for a bit. Some fear came up. Bit of heart beating. Nothing to special. 20 minutes in the mushroom became a bit twisted. The only thing I can recall clearly is that I became aware of the fact that I am constantly talking to myself. And that there is not only one of me… more like four. These were like "sheets" of personality. One is optimistic, one is hopeless, one is skeptic and one is comical. And they are constantly interacting and overlapping. Then the vision zoomed out and I saw that these "sheets of personality" were attached to a tentacle of some sort. And this tentacle was part of a huge, black octopus-esque “thing”. Bit weird but hey, that’s mushrooms for you. After that the trip became more intense and I had the first brief taste back into Nonduality. Got back out a minute later. There was business to be handled. I realized that the ol’ ego was still on the ride. There was a want to surrender. First up was language. So no more narrating the trip - the rest was nonverbal. Next up was life itself. I've died before on psychedelics. Not always in a pleasant or gentle way. This one was different though. There was willingness, softness and complete surrender. First I lived through my own death then I lived through the death of an old woman which seemed like a past life. Dying was easy. The scene was melancholic and gentle. It seemed like “death” in a conventional way is a choice of the soul. I saw my own body there with people around it. I was already gone from it but they hung on. I wanted to say to them: “Hey guys, I’m fine… life goes on over here” but in the same instance there was the realization that I couldn’t talk to them anymore. Which was fine as well. The death of the woman I lived through was gentle as well. I told my family to leave the room so I could die in peace and solitude. Then, after “death” I went to a sort of forest clearing contained in a big room. Near the ceiling was a black opening in the wall. Out of it were flying tons of bright blue birds. Like a constant stream. It was the trippiest thing I’ve seen in a long while. I went towards the opening, looked inside and saw myself. Simple as that. I merged back into the One. There was awareness of infinite intelligence within that I created the all. And there was Self Love. Cruel, demonic, diabolic scenes came up and realized that this is Love precisely. Then the labels fell away and there was only Self-Love. After some time the "I" came back to life. Slowly back to normal. I kinda wanted to go back. Dying seemed so simple compared to living. Alas there is no death. It’s just Life.

Now this is porbably going to get lots of hate, but I just have to say it: @Leo Gura: You are doing it wrong!! This first part goes directly to you. I don't want to piss you off, but I am about to get really offensive. You helped me out so much in my life by always being straight to the point. Now I strongly feel, that I have to do the same for you. All this comes from a place of genuine compassion for you. What you are trying to do with your work is amazing and I really want to see you succeed. And thats why I have to say it! You are doing it wrong!! You are trying to realize nonduality by being in some oneness with god state all the time that you found on psychedelics. But you fail to see, that this state (can be called "small nonduality") is based on the assumption of a duality between nonduality vs. duality. "Big nonduality" would involve both, that nondual oneness with god psychedelic state and the dual, seperate from god "normal" state. Being in that oneness with god state is NOT awakening. Awakening is realizing, that oneness with god is everpresent, and that taking a psychedelic cannot bring you any closer to that. This is one of the main pathology of working with psychedelics. They show you these profound states. But the mistake is to build up an identity in that state and then get attached to that identity. That is the main blindspot that you have and that is holding you back. Here are two main things, that I think are really harmful about all that: Firstly, and this is just my personal belief: You won't realize "big nonduality" that way. If you continue to use psychedelics the way you are doing right now, you're only going to fuel that identity, you created for yourself in the psychedelic state, that you are so attached to. You will probably try to prove me wrong by taking even more psychedelics. And honestly, I think that I can't really help you with that and that you just have to learn that the hard way. The real problem here is not that you are getting stuck, but that you are misleading people. Over the last yearsworth of videos, I saw you developing a strong hybris and, dare I say, messiah complex. You are just way too serious about that shit, dismissing any practice other than psychedelics! Which is really ironic because you have been talking about cult psychology and zen-devilry in your videos. Now your in that position yourself and you fail to see it because of your seriousness! Thats why the spiritual journey demands a great sense of humor. Allthough you have to be very serious to get anywhere, being able to laugh about yourself is crucial to not get stuck. All your really doing right now is blasting yourself nuts with 5-MeO to scratch that God-addiction itch of yours. And you are totally loosing that down-to-earth-ness which was one of your greatest qualities. Stop doing that! Its not going to work and its harming people, that try to follow you and getting them stuck! Secondly, and this is way more important imo: You are making the stigma of psychedelics even worse. If we ever want to get them legalized we have to advocate for responsable use. You did that in your first few videos about psychedelics. But lately that psychedelic evangelism of yours went way over the top. I bet if you could, you would go around the world and plug 5-MeO into everybodys ass, starting with mine... This attitude is not going to help! Stop it, please! We all really want to live in a world, were these substances are legally and openly avaliable to everybody for responsable use. What we need for that is a significant number of people, that show how to make use of these substances without causing collateral damage. We need you to be an example by taking a very nuanced and careful approach. We don't need another hippie, frying his brain with substances. And we definately don't need another spiritual teacher, that is getting lost in the rabbit whole of his own teachings and possibly even dragging other people with him. Please be very aware about how people recieve your teachings, Leo. You will probably dismiss what I am saying by means of some epistemic assumption, that I am making. Something like "Notice, that you are just god talking to itself". Or you will say to yourself, "This is just the devil, trying to use gods teachings against god himself." Yeah, if you do that, you totally failed to see the point that is to be understood here: You are doing it wrong!! My last piece of advice is something that a fellow actualizer and good friend of mine once said: "I think the best thing for Leo would be working some stupid job, refilling the shelves at wallmart or something!" I am serious! Stopping to do psychedelics and still maintaining total presence while living a profundly mundane life, would require an enormous spiritual realization. Blasting yourself and talking about how awake you are does not. I challange you: Don't do any psychedelics for at least one year! Face the grief that will be coming up over the illusory seperation from god and simply be with it, until you realize, that there was no seperation in the first place. This will benefit your teachings, both in maturity and profundity. Just to be clear: I am not interested in having a discussion about the personal behavour of Leo or of any teacher for that matter. I want this to be about learning whatever we can about the spiritual path. And in my opinion the main thing Leo is teaching us right now is, how NOT to do it! This thread is probably going to get locked or deleted. I don't care. All I really want is to help you out, Leo, by sharing my honest opinion. Please spend some time thinking about what I wrote.

Something to contemplate Why couldn't I accept enlightenment? I had the opportunity to embody the truth itself, being completely untangled and remaining in nonduality. Why did I imagine my life again? The truth was too great to accept in one go. I wasn't prepared. I felt so powerful that I became fearful. I couldn't let it sink in. What happened? I died. All of a sudden time was dead still, and there was no self reference whatsoever. Ego death didn't happen, it already was. There wasn't a problem of letting go or surrendering, no.. it was already so. But as I came to that self realisation, feeling like I'm being born for the very first time, eternity dawned and I panicked. I got scared. All that power, all that freedom, all that wholeness without a strand of lack, scared the little sense that was left in me. And so, out of desperation as if grasping for air, I started imagining. I remembered life and who i am. By the time everything was back to normal after I had woken up from that enlightening dream, I felt a fading pressure at the middle of my eyebrows. Something was happening in my deep sleep. And I suspect that if I had simply accepted the truth I would have woken up fully awakened. How will I be ready? I don't know how one can prepare to, not only die, but live forever as God. I guess the trick is.. to realize that I'm already doing it. And so I'll just have to see it now, realize how already alone I am and how this has all been self love. There's nothing to fear but yourself.

I was contemplating about this and I didn’t get it. If the (future and) the past doesn’t exist, and it is all an imagination, how does memory then work? A memory is a perspective (the person’s perspective). So a human is a totality of perspectives of the span of his life? What is wrong with that? If it is all a nonduality I don’t get why the ego is treated as an enemy. You are both the ego and the opposite of it. Favoring the one over the other is another duality.

@Leo Gura Yeah, how can your viewers know? There literally is no way other than first-hand experience that can either agree or disagree with you. I've been watching you and the stuff you do for quite a bit and my interpretations of your videos are way off from the actual experience of nonduality. I think its entirely possible to come to the same conclusion but have it be explained in two different ways. Your videos and work, in the end, is a result of just you poking a stick at god and seeing how it behaves back and from that interpreting what happened. Your interpretation is not the end all be all, and other people can have different interpretations.

@The observer Nonduality includes duality within it. It's not a function of time. Consciousness can be totally omniscient or not, or anything in between. Consciousness can change. It's not simply a monotone thing. You could be sleeping or you could be awake, and much more. Consciousness can take on an infinite number of different states. Like a TV screen.

@LfcCharlie4 u think there will be a point where the ego says ok its enough now i have fulfilled my purpose and its time to rip? u think it is possible to transcend the ego collectively? then perhaps uve missed the last i dont know how many centuries of human development and perhaps uve missed how nature works. survival for the fittest and every one thinks hes the fittest. u think u and ur ideals are fittest. trump thinks he and his ideals are fittest. hitler thinks he and his ideals are fittest. i think me and my ideals are fittest. but does any of that actually make any one fittest? at turquoise u dont have an agenda or ideals at turquoise u are one with reality what ever reality is and what ur describing is a stage green dream of his ideal world when at turquoise u realise that it doesnt work that way at all. the basic assumption all of u seem to be taking for granted is that reality is not already the best it could be. ur perspective then interferes and distorts ur perception by thinking oh well if more ppl could become more like me then certainly the world would become a better place. the truth is that whether every one is like u or not is in fact irrelevant to how good the world is since its absolutely good and u said that here and many times before i guess but then u make a clever distinction between absolute and relative truth and miss the fact that the relative truth ur talking about is ur own creation b cuz it fits ur agendas. for trump he may not be interested in absolute truth but that wont matter to him b cuz he takes his relative truth to be the absolute truth like u also do with urs. so u see? from ur pov it makes perfect sense that a world full of ppl like u would be a better place and so u probably will strive towards actualizing that vision but exactly in that attempt to alter reality u will create more minions of urself and those minions will in turn try to influence other ppl to make them minions of u too and then u and ur minions will have to face other leaders and their minions in the world and then each of u will try to minion the other to become more like him (perhaps like im doing right now haha) and then there will be a clash between the two not necessarily physical but certainly strong enough to stop or decrease the expansion of both sides. of course in the story above i used two sides for simplicity but in reality there are many sides that ultimately could be narrowed down into two sides so thats ultimately the epitome of nonduality and the yin and yang they are one in essence but theyre still not the same and thats what im saying here reality is different from other povs and when theres only two povs their realities become in opposition to each other and if reality ever became permanently one and stopped fighting with itself it would fall out and die so thats why utopia is impossible b cuz its a dream of one part of reality and if u get all parts to agree with u on that dream reality will then it will stop existing b cuz u will cause its death by emphasising the yin over the yang or vice versa. u might say no im emphasising balance but if thats so then why change any thing? reality is already balanced. and the answer is that b cuz u (ego) would die if u dont desire change so u must have a purpose for ur ego to survive and while u claim to be antagonistic to ego u will become a big advocate of it and so it goes on and on and thats why its a never ending process.. hope u enjoyed reading this and the whole discussion i did enjoy your posts