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Yes - you know you are putting yourself back to sleep. That's the difference. Someone who has never awoken does not know they are are asleep or that they can awaken until they do. Even when an awakened person goes back to sleep they don't know it in the moment. But they will awaken again or have that conscious moment where they say oh! Yeah! I was asleep again and this is all a dream ? and then they go back to sleep again. So it's kinda like waking up over and over again for the rest of your life when you have those moments.

So you're absolutely certain that I don't have my own sensations? That's what the absolute truth you've awakened to says?

I'm with you this far but I would say awakening is the waking up from the dream, that one is a separate self living on planet earth was just a figment of ones imagination. Reality goes from a believed objective reality to a subjective knowing reality which is often talked about as experience or direct experience. Also there is no sense of separation between the knower and known (oneness). There other facets but I choose to exclude those for the moment. That's a very good question. Someone should get a gold star for that one. ? When one awakens then, at first, questions seem irrelevant. Because it's seen from an absolute perspective to make no sense but as the awakening deepens the absolute perspective isn't held onto. All perspectives are relevant, even the mind of others. I wouldn't say it has anything to do with imagination for me, rather that replying seems like the natural thing to do if that makes any sense. Could this perspective be because when psychedelics is used there is seen that it's a dream but as the trip wears off you also go back to sleep? The way I see it as awakening happens you never fully go back into dreamland. No matter how caught you get by the dream state there's still the memory of the awakened view. And as awakening deepens there is less and less "buying into" happening. To be honest I don't fully resonate with "imagination" the way you use it. Maybe it's a psychedelic/non-psychedelic clash or maybe it's because I don't fully understand what's meant by it. Maybe our interpretations are just different and so the is an gap in understanding each other because of it. Maybe you can clarify this for me. ?

That’s why I said that all of this is an ego game. If you are truly awakened, the only reason why you would share it or talk to others about it is to put yourself back to sleep. Think about that. Of course, I am writing this message to remind myself of that. My whole day is constructed to keep myself asleep. What makes this any different? It is just me entertaining myself from the void. That’s what this is.

Thanks. Yeah..my perspective on life is constantly changing, but awakenings can often happen spontaneously, so how you spend your time and even your awareness and perception of reality can change dramatically. These are often very profound experiences, but you can expect many awakenings in a lifetime. Yet life goes on. But You are reborn. You do not “shift,” and go on from there, with a new, ‘spiritual’ perspective of life. “You” are gone. 100% stark, non-existent and gone. The “character” continues to move around. Things continue to happen. Tasks continue to get done. Movement moves. But “you” are not there. Life flows. But there is no longer a ”you” that watches, analyzes, judges or even participates in the flow of Life. You are the Flow of Life. You can no longer separate “yourself” from Now, from the flow, from Reality, as if you are this separate ‘entity’ that is the “liver” of this life. You are Life. As Life, you have no concern for ‘how “you” feel.’ Life doesn’t think about, or stop to alter, how It “feels.” It just Is. It just goes on. You just are. So there’s no “you” looking to see how you can make yourself “feel” better across your day. Nor is there an “enlightened” you “feeling” permanent Oneness and bliss. As Life, you have no thought called “I’m awakened/enlightened.” You’re just Life, Reality. Feelings come and go, phenomena seem to rise and fall, but “you” are gone. So You must just be a part of this One Thing. And of course that's just one facet of awakening aka no self.

I still can't wrap my mind about this. There is something so fundamentally wrong with logging onto this forum and seeing other people realize that other conscious minds are not real. According to metaphysical solipsists, ego-theists', in theory and practice, no two solipsists sitting in a room can agree to solipsism, as in theory, only one of them is generating reality. Like this one guy apparently awakened to solipsism: And then this guy apparently did! And they only discovered this because LEO discovered that HE was the only conscious mind in existence. What? Wait, this makes no sense. Which one of you three is generating reality? Honestly, what the hell is this forum? One post is someone realizing that only he is generating reality after ingesting illegal drugs, only for someone else to post the same thing. So which one of you two is generating reality? Then the next post is someone, usually Leo, bragging about fucking some floosey at the club. Then its' calling other people ''stage orange''. Then it's someone posting on the forum about how they want to kill themselves. Then, rarely, someone actually killing themselves. Even the blog is fucked up. One day he's kissing random girls at a club and at a house party, then the next day he's giving his followers and existential crisis and says how he doesn't care if you kill yourself. And this is all just me divinely imagining this for my entertainment? What is this place? This is the most bizarre spiritual school I have every encountered.

No .there is just you. I'm not a separate entity from you. I'm your own mind . I've awakened to the fact that I'm the only conscious thing In existence. No .because you don't need stuff behind the scenes to explain the present moment. The problem with simulation theory is that it assumes something behind the scenes (a computer for example ) that is sourcing the simulation whereas what I'm telling you is that there is nothing behind the scenes. What you are directly conscious of right now is all that exists . As long as you are asking these kinds of questions then it's clear that you are not awake . Same answer as above.

@Someone here or awakened sushi

Because I've awakened and I experienced this infinite happiness.

@r0ckyreed it might seem that way from your pov. I could be deluded. I could be insane .I could be lying .or whatever . But from my pov I'm 100% certain that I've awakened to the highest trtruth. I'm not asking you or anyone to believe me .I'm just sharing my experiences and understanding and trying to help people achieve the same results as mine .

Wouldn't be so sure about that. In fact, let me rant a little bit here. I would bet my left nut that there are more people here on the forum and in Leo's following who think they're awakened, but are actually delusional solipsists who believe their finite mind to be the whole of reality because their un-integrated spiritual ego has totally corrupted the mechanism by which they sought/seek Truth, namely what they perceived to be "direct experience", but which, because of the corruption, is not at all direct experience, but a perception of reality filtered and (mis-)interpreted through the finite ego-mind (I've talked about this extensively yeterday in Someone Here's post) that then proceeded to inflate itself and latch itself onto "experience". That's what I honestly believe and I feel very sorry for all the people (and yes, there are no other people), who, like myself, had (and some still have to, some will have to) go through this absolute hell of solipsism because a) they weren't ready for it (not yet sufficiently integrated), thus their mind/ego corrupted what was supposed to be insight into the nature of No-Self & nonduality b) the use of language is absolutely crucial, and on this forum, a lot of people just don't give a f*ck about how they comunicate these dangerously powerful ideas to others, with Leo leading the way (although I think he's working on that, so props where props are due) and people parroting him, because they think it sounds cool and awake. If it's a "tough pill" for you to swallow, then sorry, you're still missing something. A tough pill to swallow is probably a sign that, yes, you got something right, but in a wrong way. And if you're lonely, you're not awake either. We're all alone together. No f*cking wonder that big spiritual egos would dismiss the importance of no-self. Rant over.

@Loba @Gesundheit2 He's clearly had an awakening experience. There's been a shift in his perspective, and his new perspective is valid, as many here are attesting to. An 'awakening' can be as simple as a shift in perspective.. for instance.. when children are young, they may know how to add and subtract, but not multiply.. they haven't 'awakened' (awoken?) to the concept of 'multiplication' yet.. but once they do, it's an obvious and undeniable understanding of the concept. Those who have yet to understand 'multiplication' may have difficulty grasping it at first.. they may think someone talking about it is just talking crazy talk. Furthermore, awakening to 'multiplication' doesn't make 'addition' wrong... addition is still valid. This is why @Someone here can still seek out love, and do his job, or continue any 'ordinary' goings on. Discovering that you are everything doesn't cause you to stop being what you are being. "Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water." - Zen Proverb

And Leo talks about his awakenings in the past. These have the same existence as other minds, none. There isn't a past. Therefore the conclusion is that Leo is not awake? By the way, Rupert Spira says exactly this, that other people's thoughts and feelings are on a par with our own thoughts and feelings from the past. They are not actual, but it could be said, as a concession, that they have existence. And he's right. Where is people's sense of nuance? Leo says an obvious flat out ridiculous - and hypocritical - statement such as "Rupert Spira is not awake" or the more obviously egoic and equally ridiculous "I am the most awakened in history" (or something like that) and there's actually people who buy it... To unpack all of the silly statements that pass for truth around here would be a full time job...

Then why you feed your ego with threads like this one? Remember awakened only one there is no anybody else but you .Whom to ask and why.

@Mulky FINALLY, thats what I always try to explain. Still all the awakened gurus here claim just my desktop screen exists right now in the whole universe. or did I misunderstood them?

You've awakened to solipsism from watching a video about solipsism? Do you think you can put more context to this? To be honest I haven't read the rest of your journey from your previous topics but it makes me skeptical to implicate you can awake just from consuming content on the Internet.

No I don't. The teachings here can lead you to God..until you awaken then you are still asleep. Kind of simple really. You are falling into the neo-advaita trap. There is no you and thus there is no one to awaken. This is not correct. Rupert Spiras teachings can be of great value I don't think anyone is belittling him. It is indeed because with awakening you will die. And I do not mean the physical body, which is imaginary. I mean ego death. This is very irresponsible for an awakened person for you to say. This is also irresponsible and again your falling into the neo-advaita trap. There is no you. There are no levels. There's no awakening. Incorrect. There are stages.

Lol if 10.000 viewed the Video and someone here had an awakening of this then there is a Chance of 0,01% to get awakened by this. Pretty high compared to other spiritual practices

Well its not new criticism is it mate? I have been consistent in calling out your glaring intellectual/emotional/irrational flaws and shitty behaviour throughout this ENTIRE THREAD, so if that is what you mean by "new" then sure! ?‍♂️ ***adds "new" to the list of words @Inliytened1 does not understand*** I'm not sure what you are referring to in regard to "the healing stuff not working out". As far as I can see I have offered reasonable arguments to all points that have been raised, and while I admit I am slightly biased here - I think its fairly obvious that I owned you. Still if there is some outstanding topic you would like me to address then feel free to highlight it, although I must admit that I am growing a bit weary of your clumsy jabberings and lack of integrity, so I would prefer to deal with those who are more reasonable and intellectually capable - I hope you understand. You seriously do, and honestly you have no business being a moderator while you are doing it. Your behaviour is appalling and if I was Leo I would be embarrassed by your display here. In my opinion there is no place for self aggrandizing bullies in the spiritual space, let alone moderating them. Literally nowhere did we break it down to that, and I don't think you even know what spirituality means (along with most other words in the English vocabulary). I mean can you link me to where this particular strand of the conversation happened? That's a rhetorical question btw because I know that you cannot ? I hate to take this kind of position and fully appreciate it looks bad or snobby, but you are not capable of keeping up with me on any level, and explaining basic things to you is becoming tedious. Please leave it to your more rational peers to have the big discussions, which will give you additional time to masturbate over how awakened you are(nt).

I remember Leo ones talking about how this moment, this entire world right now, this frame, is actually being created by consciousness, or we can say that consciousness becoming this frame, in just one moment, here and now, out of nothingness. He said that you imagine that this frame must have had a history to become this frame, like a billions years of evolution that caused this frame to be this frame, the world as it is, but in actually consciousness just being able to create all of this here and now, in just one moment. Then consciousness, in the human form, is creating a background story of "why this frame is this frame" and creating a past and a story, and so forth, why this frame is this frame, but in actually consciousness is doing that. So, i think what Leo actually says is consciousness already is creating an entire universe, even the socalled history, so called past, that "has happened" to bring this frame into existence, but in actually, consciousness is creating this very universe right now. So if consciousness is awakened enough, and if it is relevant for it, then consciousness can create another universe, with its own billions of years of past and beings and their minds and bodies and memories, and so forth, in just one moment, like consciousness actually is doing right now. Creating another universe with its own socalled past and so forth, and for consciousness is infinite, it can even create an infinite number of such universes in varying degrees, and so forth, of their "evolutions", all right here and now, in the same place a dream is taking place, and by the same substance a dream is made of, yeah. Every universe is made of consciousness, every universe is consciousness, the void "from which" everything is made, and "it", right now, is morphing itself into different forms of "frames", and in that sense it is creating a totally new universe in every moment anyways, but it does not realize that because each new universe, each new frame, that it's creating in every moment is very similar to the universes it "created" a moment ago. It already is creating a totally new universe, a totally new frame, in every moment, or to say it better, "becoming" a new universe, a new frame, in every moment, and creating an illusion of space and time and reality to make it look "logical" to itself while "it" is being the human form, creating an illusion of "sequences of events" that "brought it" to this point, to create the person, the world, the others, etc etc etc, that are. This entire frame, this entire world, people, their minds, bodies, histories, all socalled memories, etc etc etc, are being imagined, right now, by consciousness into being, imagining their bodies and histories and brains and minds and personalities, and so forth, all being created out of nothing, all being out of nothing, here and now. Nothing is coming from a real "past" and no memories are coming from a "real past", it all is being created, yeah, right now out of nothing, it all is nothing. Every aspect of this existence is nothing that is coming into being out of nothing, made out of nothing. Consciousness really does not need time etc to create all of this, all the minds and bodies and histories and so forth of people and things, haha, this is all just literal nothing coming into being in the now, as this frame, out of nothing, out of absolutely nothing ?.

I think I mean Actualized.org as guidance for the spiritual practices. So you say that I am overthinking way too much as a spiritual devil and that I should go back to normal life. I have 2 problems with that: 1st, I have an objection about me overthinking the maze of life. There was this solipsism video that Leo deleted. What does this have to do with the maze of life? Well, I subscribed to Actualized.org and I still didn't see the solipsism video that could have awakened me even though I could have sworn I check my subscriptions regularly. Life would no longer be a maze if I can just watch some solipsism video to awaken and THAT is the intelligence of the maze since I didn't get to see it. There is at least one problem with this idea that supports you in your favor with me overthinking this: Other people watched the solipsism video and awakened while it was still available. This is not an objection to me having to take a break but to me overthinking since it's the explanation I have with making the video practical. Also, lacking a routine can be part of the maze because I am so lost. It could be because of lack of concentration due to heavy metals which are almost impossible to avoid and I think I am noticing symptoms of it. I can come up with more examples I have noticed but I want to move on to your next point: I agree that I need to forget everything spiritual, I need to forget that Leo lives a happier life and the solipsism video he deleted. There is at least one problem with this: How do I forget about spirituality if my life feels empty? This emptiness is simply preventing me from living life how it normally was. That's probably how I started using Actualized.org in the first place. I think that the emptiness came before Actualized.org which means it is not the cause for emptiness or maybe it is causing more of it. I can't really fully explain it to you, but something happened even before me using Actualized.org if I remember correctly that caused emptiness to occur and I simply don't know how to forget about spirituality.

Only you can verify that insight. Honestly, trying to grasp something this deep with words alone is like trying to pin jelly to a wall. You've probably got about as far as you can with words. Maybe it's time for more practical methods. To those who claim to have awakened just by thinking about it... not possible. A description of a piece of music is not the music itself. If you had never heard music in your life, you could still deceive yourself that you understood music. But you would not have awoken to the reality of music. Your understanding of it would be academic, pale and lifeless. So it is with awakening. It must be lived. It cannot simply be deduced.

All spiritual teachers (including Leo) seem to insist that the Absolute Truth cannot be accurately put into words without distorting or perverting it. Given everything that Leo has taught so far, how close can someone with a purely intellectual understanding of his teachings get to the Truth? (Basically, if it's just a religion or belief to them, but they have not become enlightened or awakened themselves.) I feel like at least a few people here know all the right intellectual answers. They can give responses that give the impression that they've had direct experience of enlightenment. How close can these people get to enlightenment from a purely intellectual place? Are they 99% of the way there with just a minor click into place needed, 1% of the way there, or always infinitely far off? I feel like I have a very accurate conceptual understanding of enlightenment. It feels very close to the truth, maybe just not tangible yet. But I know I must still be a ways off. Because while the truth is a bit of a mindfuck even from a purely intellectual level, it sounds like the realization still isnt nearly profound enough to be the full truth. I can be left questioning everything, but I'm not truly shaken to my core by this truth, left suicidal or not sure what is real or not real. There is no real shift in perspective when it's just theory. I feel like I'm just a click away. Like I just need a minor spiritual chiropractic alignment for everything to snap into place and make it all real. But maybe it's more like I'm standing across the Grand Canyon from an unreachable goal, waiting for God (ultimately myself) to airlift me across when it feels ready and not a second before.

@softlyblossoming Well, since you took the time to rephrase it to ask I can say the short answer is... yes. The longer answer is it isn't something to be done in 'each' moment as if the present moment is a bunch of individual moments strung together. The mind will try to 'taskify' our being present as 'doing not doing' that it has to keep doing to accomplish the 'not doing'. Seeking answers to questions, gaining knowledge, understanding or finding truth becomes a task that the mind will use to distract from being awareness. These are used by the mind to fill a void, an existential yearning which creates so much self suffering instead of it's cessation. Even meditating gets taskified by the mind as a practice to do, set aside time to do it, and 'oh I haven't done my meditating yet so I better do that or I won't get the thing done I'm seeking to do'. Abiding in being awareness is presence in the now and is effortless, seamless and timeless. We may 'practice' meditation at first to help us become awakened to our awareness so we can view the activity of the mind and not be consumed by it. Although, ultimately to be in 'abidance' without efforting to be present will transcend any activity the monkey mind creates. So, to be clear, there will be activity in the mind even though we are abiding in awareness. All sorts of thoughts, emotions, inner dialog, impulses and urges will spring from our subconscious mind. Not to get distracted and attached to them as our identity will cease self suffering. Eventually, abiding in awareness will inform the mind to be attentive to awareness as well so the activity of the mind will reflect that presence of being. It's rare to happen instantaneously, most often it happens gradually like a flower softly blossoming.. :). I would encourage everyone to be aware that any work we may be doing as 'spirituality' or 'self actualization' or however one wants to call it isn't allowing being awareness to happen, it just happens. All that work does is discipline the mind so it's not a distraction to being awareness. Though, the common issue is the work that is supposed to cultivate the mind to be less of a distraction to us abiding in awareness serves as one of the largest distraction to being presence. We become so focused on the path we get lost on the journey. So, yea... there's the short answer and the long one. haha

Enlightenment is all about raising our vibration to a positive state of being, it is not about thinking or concepts, it is about concepts and thinking coming from the vibration that is raised, the state of being that is in alignment with who you really are, aka love, peace, ecstacy, flow, ease, wellness. A thinking mind can never become enlightened, only a quiet mind can become enlightened, because only a quiet mind can become one with the love, the ease, the peace, the wellness, that is who it really is. Thinking from fear or worry or anger or trying to understand, or any shit like that, will never wake me up. It is not the information or the thought or the perception, it is the vibrational frequency from which the information or the thought is coming from. A noisy and distressed mind can never understand what really is going on. It can never become awakened.