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I am currently shifting between various lenses dynamically. One is to see the world perfectly, all past events through rose colored glasses, complete compassion for every person and every circumstance and a desire to relive and revitalize it. And the other lens is this weird awareness of non-self-awareness that permeates most our lives where shitty things happen and everything feels rough or like cardboard. And to shift between both simultaneously really gives you perspective. Imagine this: You're at a laundromat, everything is grey, you're bored, annoyed, waiting for time to pass, strong sense of everything being heavy and physical and annoying, you're doing chores, you're sweaty, you feel a sense of hopelessness with the routine repeating itself indefinitely going nowhere, you're an ordinary person living a meaningless life, constantly stressed and on edge, just getting by, repeating and taking care of basic necessities, everything is set in stone, rigid, bland, boring, plastic, you got back pain, you're fatigued, unfocused, bothered, everything is mechanic and the air is suffocating, hopeless, you avoid the stains and grease as you walk. Now imagine: You walk out, you see a flower growing out from between the pavement, the sun is setting and orange rays are permeating the atmosphere, the ground feels weirdly solid, flat, you feel its physicality in contrast to your own body, through the dynamic you feel bouncy, people walk by, you notice how the wind sways their clothes, time slows down as you pay attention, they walk past looking at their phones going about their lives, you walk, the walls of the buildings next to you have an interesting texture, the way they reflect light, you notice the graffiti, you visualize the teenagers who created it, you wonder how far in the past it has been, you keep walking, you hear the sounds of crickets, see cars drive by with music passing you, the sunset at the edge of the skyline looks so beautiful, you start smiling, the way you walk changes, you feel relaxed, attuned, you pay so much more attention, you see how the wind sways everyone's hair, you feel the breeze of fresh air, you feel in love, everything feels perfect, you want to express it somehow but don't know in what way, it seems everyone is already happy, maybe you were the only one that wasn't. Was life always like this? Why didn't I see it before? So, now this polarity is an intense one, the difference comes through focus, engagement, energy. It seems that to engage with and to wonder about any one thing in relation to any other with a sense of playfulness, one can bring oneself into a state of happiness. But I've only really awakened to it being a thing in itself now. If you can consistently access and make reality feel magical, then that's an absolutely amazing state to be in. This also perfectly describes the magic of psychedelics, though reality comes in many more forms and shapes.
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Water by the River replied to Sugarcoat's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Yes. The ego/separate-self is literally a self-contraction, normally felt in the head. That can drop away (making the field boundless and nondual) and with it all resistance to what is appearing (aka suffering). Restoring actually the real and unclouded "state of things", with brilliant clarity and lucidity and Sat-Chit-Ananda. https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=self-contraction&author=Water by the River Don't get blackpilled by suffering/resistance-is-unavoidable-aficionados. If these aficinados would have the capacity/tools/sobre-Awakening-skills/training to release this resistance (aka ego/separate-self), they would do it immediately. Problem is just, they literally ARE or feel themselves to be that resistance/ego/self-contraction, and don't have enough training in releasing that, aka meditation, or are unwilling to finally let go of the contraction-bug). So it would need a transcendence/differentiation/death from the former self - including too a large part its original Raison d'être, which can correspond to something along these lines: So what gets these self-contractions-on-two-feet to actually transcend the self-contraction anyway, and return to righ here-right now True Being? If its not practice/meditation (and the resulting awakened states, aka the carrot), its more suffering (the stick). Or, actually, too much suffering for the separate-self gig to continue its current pet-project, since that didn't deliver enough relieve from the self-contraction. As no pet-project actually does in the end. Timeline: This life or the next. Nobody gets left in Samsara forever. But It ain't over till the fat lady sings, and we are on site called Actualized.org, aren't we? So it seems its game on for the next crash and burn (which may be as least serious as possible) and wise-up chapter (which may come as fast as possible and be as lovely as possible) in this lovely & epic heroes-journey Selling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero's_journey by the River "In narratology and comparative mythology, the hero's journey, also known as the monomyth, is the common template of stories that involve a hero who goes on an adventure, is victorious in a decisive crisis, and comes home changed or transformed." PS: Lets seen in July 2025 how the stars have aligned. -
true enlightenment, can lead to solipsistic realization and waking up from the illusion that's been protecting the human mind, it can cause individual mental health crisis When large groups of people collectively awaken from the societal dream, they face severe social coordination issues. Society operates on shared narratives and illusions—moral codes, societal norms, and promises of happiness through specific actions—all designed to create stability and predictability. Enlightenment disrupts these illusions, making it difficult for awakened individuals to be controlled or coordinated in traditional ways. While this newfound freedom can lead to liberation from societal norms, it also destabilizes the existing social order. In examining the psychedelic movement, we see that dualistic psychedelics like magic mushrooms, LSD, and even DMT do not awaken individuals from the dream; they merely twist the existing narratives. These substances offer alternative perspectives without fundamentally altering the underlying dream state. In contrast, dogmatic religions provide rigid, rock-like narratives that create strong, stable social machines, but these systems are often inflexible and unable to adapt to external changes, leading to potential collapse. Magic mushrooms and LSD, associated with the hippie and new-age movements, introduce flexibility and alternative perspectives. However, they often lead to overly diverse, chaotic theories that lack integration and coherence. These narratives can become too twisted and detached from reality, creating fragmented worldviews that are incompatible and lack synergy, aka conspiracy theories. Non-dual psychedelics like 5-MeO-DMT, DPT, and similar substances pose a different problem. These substances dissolve collective narratives without offering new ones. While occasional use might not cause widespread issues, frequent use akin to that of magic mushrooms or LSD could lead to a society devoid of shared narratives. In such a scenario, people are no longer living in illusions, but this absence of a shared dream complicates coordination. Enlightenment, which breaks all societal rules, requires a new way to coordinate collective actions. At the heart of enlightenment lies solipsism—the realization that one's mind creates and imagines everything. Interaction with the external world depends on one's ability to imagine and detect it. This means that reality, society, and all interactions are essentially products of our imagination. Solipsism reveals that everything is an illusion, and this profound understanding can disrupt societal coordination mechanisms. As society wakes up from the collective dream, we face the challenge of post-enlightenment coordination. Historically, a single enlightened being could be worshipped and create a religion to coordinate others. However, with potentially hundreds of thousands or even millions of enlightened individuals, our current social systems are inadequate. Enlightened beings- like a live player, can take a different strategy and adapt differently, they are awaken from the Game, and can make a different game, which may make them particularly good at adapting the Rapid- ever changing the world of AGI, letting the AGI to do the logos, empowering human agency, and we become the architect of the system.
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Gennadiy1981 replied to VictorB02's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Also I am wondering, (not that it’s a good idea) but Biden could have taken some kind of meds similar to dopamine and it would have awakened him more, meaning he would be more verbal. But I think he was set up by the party, cause traditionally we have debates somewhere in September and not that early. I think they on purposely threw him over the bus to make a deal that he needs to be replaced. Cause even this January when he gave state of the Union, (I didn’t watch back then but just watched now to compare) he is like day and night different. To me it was kinda done on purse to throw him under bus, I mean the entire world speaks now how bad his performance was. I am sure they could have done so much better, that is not an excuse. He was at his worse. But at @Vibes may be right he may be getting closer to death, especially with such stressful position he is having. And also the aftermath when he meet his wife Jil and she is treating him like a kid that he answered every question, added more to the wound showing that his mental state goes to childhood, that was extremely extra, and dems are the ones to blame unless they really want to get rid of him. @Leo Gura is right, presidents don’t have so much power as everyone thinks and it’s other departments that really run the show, they are more of representing the country. So I would not worry for Trump to win. Besides it’s the state department that makes all decision anyways. Now as far as RFK goes, usually I would say there are no chances of winning, but this maybe the only time that he can actually win, as most people don’t like neither Trump or Biden. I would say at this stage of the game he may have really high chances of winning. However, the deep state or whatever you call, they throw monkey wrench at him and he gets hard time. Like for example the CNN did not allowed him to participate in debates, I think he would have beat both of them. Also many were focused on Biden, but Trump wasn’t his best neither, if you remember back in 2020, he was so much more energetic. -
Princess Arabia replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Ok, sir don't let my dry humor stop you from accomplishing your goal. I've already awakened to humor and realized it's good for the psyche. -
I mean a lot of people are genetically superior to you in terms of spiritual brain strucutre and they could simply take psychedelics too. So what is so special in your case? Do you think you have the desire for the truth more than any being on this Earth, and through psychedelics you even surpassed all masters?
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Leo Gura replied to Water by the River's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Hindus took weed and datura, and who knows what else. Magic mushrooms grow on all continents except antarctica so it's safe to assume they ate them too. But none of that is even needed because a certain percentage of humans are born awakened and mystical. So the real answer is just genetics. -
Water by the River replied to Water by the River's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Good questions. Enlightenment means having realized ones true eternal nature as Infinite Being/Infinite Reality itself. How does one call that? There is nothing to reference it against. No pointer fully describes it, since any pointer is containted within "it". Its You. Formless Infinite Eternal True You/Being. So one could describe it as raspberry, or not, credit to Ralston. From Artems homepage: What did you realize -- expressed in one sentence -- upon spiritual awakening? I don’t exist - I never have. My existence was a dream, a delusion. I am the totality of existence, which is fundamentally unknowable. Nothing can be said about what I am. That is true, because Infinite Being/Infinite Reality can not be described "positively" in any way, since that would already limit it, and that pointers appears within it. Madhyamaka. Yet, one can "dance" and guide linguistically with pointers as high as possible. To answer your question: I wouldn't write like he does, like hairless monkey as last stage. Or material/physical universe and so on. Put 10 people having realized their nature in one room, and they will all use different language. But he doesn't mean a material/physical universe external or separate from him. He means nondual. How one calls the "dreamstuff" or mere appearance of manifestation is not so important. And, after realizing fundamental Infinite Reality/True Being, it is a bit like: Dogen: Before one studies Zen, mountains are mountains and waters are waters; after a first glimpse into the truth of Zen, mountains are no longer mountains and waters are no longer waters; after enlightenment, mountains are once again mountains and waters once again waters. The uuuuuuuuuuh, oooooooooooh, its all mere appearance and dream stuff happening in Infinite Being has worn off, become old. Its like: Yeah, its like that, so nothing special, and the "realizer" of that is also not special (because the "realizer"-arisings are also illusion). Taking that as special would tend to kill the awakened states, because of self-importance and stuff the like. So its mountains are again mountains. A hairless monkey appears in my Infinite Being, which can run perfectly fine on autopilot. No need to make an identity out of that and feel like being only that hairless monkey. Or that the hairless monkey is special. That really is fooling "one"-self. A special monkey in Infinite Being, being a special monkey. A nice seduction/ilusion. Concerning "Consciousness doesn't exist" - well, I wouldn't write it like that. Semantics. Self-Consciousness doesn't exist, but appears. Some appearances happen, and there is Awareness of it. That can't be denied. Nisgardatta made a differentiation between Consciousness (doesn't exist but appear), but Awareness does (he called that Parabrahman). In my view, that is all not the optimum usage of words/semantics. Infinite Reality with the potential of consciousness OF/Awareness IF appearances appear. And unaware of itself if nothing appears (cessation). In its Infinite state if truly nothing arises, "it" has the potential for sentience if form/appearance/movement arises, but "it" doesn't have to. Deep Sleep, Cessation, Nirvikalpa. And btw., differentiating that difference between consciousness OF and Infinite/Absolute potentially unaware of itself (Cessation, Deep Sleep, Nirvikalpa) is the deciding difference between Enlightenment and previous AWAKENINGS, um, Awakenings. It is the difference between the Absolute Reality being truly empty and formless, or "loaded" with consciousness OF (aka form/appearance/lenses/filters/...). Maybe that helps. Again, not my style, but I understand what he means and why he writes that. And then: We had enlightened Adi Da (who f***** up in many areas), we had enlightened Zen "Nazis" (Zen at War). Obviously, plenty of stuff on the relative level can still go wrong. And "coming out" as a teacher... well, not for the faint of hearted. Not everbody gets that done "in grace" like for example Francis Lucille, after been coached for 15 years after his Enlightenment (if I understood that correctly) and getting students refered to by his teacher Jean Klein, after being financially independend and not chasing anything anymore... then the teacher-gig is much more easier. Ken Wilber wrote one can remain a jerk and still be enlightened. That is the remaining personality. And that being/mindstream can still know its True Nature and what Infinite Reality is perfectly well. And can easily become a red flag for others because of claiming Enlightenment. I would look for compassion when searching a teacher, and liberation. And intelligence and clear speaking. And even then, that gentleman/lady can still go wrong drastically on the relative level. And still know his/her true nature... So not easy the whole thing... Concerning my dreams: I still dream and am have a dream character then. Which after waking up I delight in that, because - what a dream, delivered with dream character believing in it! I also have lucid dreams, and the dream sometimes changes to something more Astral-like when breaking the "story-line" of the lucid dream and for example intensely focusing on my hand, or the grass. It can get as real or more as physical reality. Sometimes I "jump" realms/areas then with the usual techniques. Very real and clear, and no background story. (Not the usual hazy dream with a story one "buys" without reflecting that it doesn't make sense. How did I get here, and where did I park my car.... ) Once met a recently deceased relative. Sometimes I pass from dream realms to infinite causal states (something like infinite darkness suffused with light, totally formless and infinite) to waking states/waking up, which is a fascinating continuity. Also "dying" in a dream and going through these infinite (causal in Wilber language) states, dream again, dying again and so on... An infinite playground. For me, what seasoned Astral Travelers like Jurgen Ziewe write makes sense based on my own limited experiences. And most important: Timless Eternal Infinite Reality, which can also appear as Deep Sleep, is right here, right now, eternally so. "Deep Sleep is right here". True Being. All these dream states, deep sleep, Astral anything, physical life and what not pass "before" or "in it" like a show, a movie. Like Dreams. Concerning his claims of dreams getting less/ceasing: I have run over several statements in the biographies of historical meditators/enlightened ones which align in that the dreams at night get less, and become more lucid and so on. Some never dream or even deep sleep (but remain lucid throughout), like Haari Aalto. Who did this from early years onwards, together with celestial perception, in his case from Karmic influence I believe. His declaring that Astral travels are dreams is technically correct, but everything so to say is a dream. But just because he doesn't experience Astral travels/OBEs doesn't mean that on a relative level these mechanisms don't exist. He just doesn't have them. Also, because of that, it seems he doesn't know how his karmic propensity bundle (stored in a higher dimensional soul) remains or continues. But he doesn't need to, knowing "he" is Infinite Reality is enough. Even a soul is a highly sophisticated illusion/dream-stuff/relative processes/cause effect. There are for sure areas in Infinite Consciousness that don't work or need "soul-mechanisms" and so on. But all of that is dreamt/experienced by One Infinite Reality. And realizing that beyond any possible doubt is the summum bonum. Besides that, there is only illusion of different flavours/mechanisms. So in the end, its all dreams. Some just incoherent dreams at night, then dreams like Astral realms (no background-story like in a dream, not hazy), and then normal eartly life (which is just a highly coherent dream with physical,chemical, biological, cultural/mental laws) and so on. But still a dream. All made out of appearances/dream stuff/suchness. Artem calls that material/physical,but its still just appearance/illusion. Maybe that helps. Selling Water by the River PS: Don't blame me in case Artem (or anybody else for that matter) decides to have a character-hangover, go womanizing, build a cult, take financial advantage or any of the other of the funny (or less than funny) stuff that tends to happen if there are "character-hangovers" and Ken Wilbers wake up, grow up, show up has not been fully implemented. Here is a nice list of stuff that can get f****** up and will get f****** up, also by enlightened ones: https://www.spiritual-integrity.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Association-for-Spiritual-Integrity-Code-of-Ethics-for-Organizations-May-23-2024.docx-1.pdf The other side: If every enlightened one would be a saint, I guess it would get boring at some point. So Spirit decided to add that little flavour and spice complexity for the journey back home... Calling "Caveat Emptor" while SELLING Water by the River -
Fundamentalist religious people (shadow of stage blue) take end time prophecies that are myth as literal, and self fulfil them into existence to hasten whatever good they are promised from it (coming of a Messiah and the return of Jesus). Many problems come from taking myth that is fiction for a fact that is literal, not realising that the value of fiction is in its functionality, rather than its factuality. Fundamentalists view prophets as the spokespeople of God, rather than the spokesperson on God. As if prophets have a direct hotline to God and lecture us Gods message - when existence is a conversation not a lecture. Prophets are cosmic philosophers, not cosmic commanders. The movie series Dune actually shows quite well how fundamentalists belief in prophecy and prophets are used for political ends and power. That doesn’t deny there were prophets who awakened to certain degrees. It’s just important to remember that they were speaking to and from their own time. Treating them as eternal mouthpieces of God ignores the context, culture and limitations of their era. Forget the military-industrial complex; the power-prophecy-profits complex, which intertwines with religion, is far more dangerous. Daniel Schmachtenberger discusses the concept of “Moloch” as a metaphor for competitive systems that are destructive not due to a deliberate intent to destroy but because of incentives that drive us toward destruction. In the power-prophecy-profits complex, the prophecy element includes an intent to fulfill those prophecies that steer us towards WW3. ** Thanks for providing your life story above to get where you’re coming from.
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Ramu replied to CARDOZZO's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Princess Arabia Im one of the most Awakened persons on this site, and i completely understand it all. Brains do not exist. You are the absolute always. There are no brains. You're telling me that I don't understand what's being pointed to? You're obviously either really confused about what's being said, or just don't understand it. It's not for everyone, and most people on this site, about 98% have no fucking clue what's being said. -
Ramu replied to CARDOZZO's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Princess Arabia what it really means is you're not Awakened fully. Keep going! -
Physical reality is imaginary. Pick up a small object, hold it in your hands, and try to notice that it is imaginary. Higher consciousness/awakened consciousness is required. Take psychedelic amd do the above exercise. Humans consider imagination to only be what happens inside your head. But that is 2nd order imagination. 1st order imagination is the physical world outside your head. The key is to realize that there is no boundary between inside your head and outside your head. So everything is just different orders of imagination. In a dream every part of it is imaginary. The whole dream world is imagination. And so is life. Again, the key is to realize there is no boundary between a dream and life.
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Water by the River replied to enchanted's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Did I ever write that Awakened impersonal Nondual states are not beneficial (and necessary) for realizing True Infinite Being? I wrote that dozen of times. https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=Awakened&author=Water by the River -
Miguel1 replied to enchanted's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Like I said, if you want to really find out, do your own extensive research and reach out to whoever you need to reach out to. I just pointed out some quick snippets through my phone while on the go. I dont have skin in this game. I have already moved on from Rupert Spira due to Leo’s teachings. The cheating was just cherry on top. For me, if a bunch of people in the community, especially staff members and retreat participants reports such stuff, it is something to be taken seriously, instead of just dismissing it, because your guru is so ”conscious and awakened that there is no way he would do such thing”. It’s not like this is some new phenomenon. It’s more common than you think among spiritual and religious gurus. Of course it is. -
Inliytened1 replied to enchanted's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Osaid it's easier to say - it's just imaginary. Anything not directly experienced is imaginary. The wonderful thing about this is that imagination IS you. So you ARE the rat. You ARE the chimp. Right now! Lesser consciousness is a figment of current consciousness. But current Consciousness can also go much higher. It's not in an Infinite state right now..but if you've awakened you know it's possible. So why wouldn't lesser Consciousness be possible? Why wouldn't experiencing the level of consciousness of an ant not be possible despite being imaginary right now? Why can't imagination become actual? The truth is nothing is preventing it..so Leo is not wrong here if you think it through. -
A scholar inquired, "But is this not the way of nature, Master? Do not all creatures struggle, one against another?" "Nature knows struggle," the Master agreed, "but not hate. The lion does not loathe the gazelle, nor does the oak begrudge the vine its light. It is only man who adds to the struggle the poison of hatred, the madness of greed. We have crafted weapons that could scorch the earth, yet we squabble like children over lines drawn in sand." A young girl, her eyes bright with unshed tears, asked, "Will there never be peace, Master?" And here the Master's face shone, as if lit from within. "Peace will come, little one. Not from treaties inked by the hands of deceivers, but from a great awakening. For even now, in the hearts of men and women in every land, a truth is dawning: that we are all branches of one tree, waves of one sea. The lies that divide us — of race, of creed, of border — are being seen for what they are: shadows cast by our own fears. “As this light spreads, the merchants of war will find their arsenals rusting and their rhetoric falling on deaf ears. The makers of hatred will speak to empty halls. For a people awakened cannot be turned against their own heart, their own flesh. This is why they fear truth above all else, why they darken the air with lies.”
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Water by the River replied to enchanted's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Leo the Blackpiller. On a project called "Actualized". A drama in in five acts. Oh my. Act 1: Narrator: What in my view is genetics/Karma is being psychic, seeing Auras, subtle beings, OBEs, and all that stuff. That can't be trained by normies. One either has it or not. Buuuuut training to rest in nondual awakened states? No. Many had to train a lot to get there (called meditation). Sure, some woke up spontaneously. It is called True Being. Every being has it, or better IS it. There are proven ways to access and stabilize that. Meditation for example. Not for every Karma-variant "delivered", but for many achieveable if training in earnest. Yours truly for sure was not extraordinarily gifted and needed over 10 years to get anywhere near anything nondual. But was lucky using a meditation system that got pleasurable quite soon and enabled racking up the 1000s of hours of cutting off the "I/me/mine-bla-bla" sufficiently (many of that in daily life) to get anywhere near awakened nondual impersonal states. Act 2: Narrator: What can be heard in the last weeks from our respected host are frequent expression of suffering, and also being annoyed by being human. If that attitude is not a dissociation (sick form of non-growth/aborted transcendence) and not an differentiation & integration (healthy form of growth/transcendence in Wilber speech), I don't know what is. Wilber, The Religion of the Future. All ways how transcendence/growth can go wrong, and how one can get addicted to 7th haven realms, and how to avoid and correct these, laid on a platter. And now limiting believes and justifications why one can not practice letting go of the separate-self and shutting it off (aka meditation), because... rationalizations like genetics, prodigies, creativity and artistic and other stuff instead of boring meditation and annoying and what not. https://www.actualized.org/insights/profound-quotes-032 https://www.actualized.org/insights/werewolf-boy Leo Gura: "Exceptionally spiritually gifted people are born just like this werewolf boy. And no amount of spiritual practice will give you their abilities. But because all that happens on the inside, people do not see it. So they end up spending their lives trying to emulate someone who is a genetic freak, and of course they end up disappoint with their lack of results or unhappiness in life. Because a werewolf boy has to live differently than normies. And if you as a normie try to live like werewolf boy, you will not be happy because it is not the right fit. This is why above all else in this work you must be true to yourself, to your genetics. Your destiny is in your genetics. But you need to discover what that means, which is no trivial matter." Narrator: Got blackpilled? Got blackpilled! Act 3: Al Swearengen: "That's what life is one vile task after another. Don't get aggravated then the enemy has you by the short hairs." . WbtR: Sorry my friend. https://actualized.org/insights/profound-quotes-032 Narrator: Profound indeed. The Buddha not-en-vogue-long-dead-probably-never-historicaly-existing-gentleman called it dukha. Unsatisfying. A closet-Buddhist in the making? And so much happiness & compassion that there are even dreams of nondual crocodiles biting fellow expressions of his True Infinite Being. Ken Wilber: "Ken Wilber: The downside comes with people that only use psychedelics or drugs and I found that over the years they just become mean. It's somehow just kind of closes them down it's like you keep doing it and you keep doing it you keep doing it it doesn't quite cause the transformation. It can cause a peak experience but generally not a transformative experience and some people like David Deida will say that in order for altered changes of state to contribute to transformation a permanent transformation it has to be basically endogenous and not a exogenous it has to be has your own source People who do that (Psychedelics) the people that do use both (Meditation and Psychedelics) and use it as a sacrament i think an enormous bit out of it." Posted over a year ago: Act 4: Narrator: So, my proposal would be either to rebrand the thing as spiritual-blackpilled.org instead of actualized.org. Or, as alternative, at least not giving the poor folks consuming all of that uncritically limiting believes just because one highflyer got hung up in the seventh-heaventh-with-you-know-what-substances without a way of getting to that blissful estate sobre and in daily life. Leo, sorry for the rant. I wish you really the best, but that self-defeating blackpilling trend (probably generated by severly missing seaventh-heaventh-bliss - which I can understand), pushing it mostly on genetics and prodigy and what not (I would call that at least a bit "Karma" and not only genetics )... I have to testify against it, because for many that "could make it" that constitutes black-pilling & installing limitting believes. And even if a being does not reach Enlightenment in this life, the soul (relative manifestation, but still appearing/same "reality" as everthing else, lasting longer than one life) will carry the transcendence-propensity generated by simply witnessing the mindstream (aka meditation). Same with compassion. Act 5: WbtR: Actualized? Actualized! Selling the drama (5 acts) "Actualized! by the River & throwing the backpills back into the River where the came from" Music while lowering the curtain: -
gettoefl replied to LSD-Rumi's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
yes all awakened people live life on the razor's edge of death, blithely and blissfully so, tomorrow has absolutely no relevance whatsoever if it comes good if it doesn't great -
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Bufo Alvarius replied to Water by the River's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Water by the River It's interesting that you bring up Artem. I'll post below one of his main thesis on levels of enlightenment. Can you elaborate where your and his views are the same and where they differ? It's especially confusing that Artem claims that even consciousness/infinity are still levels of dreaming and not the final enlightenment, while you point to 'empty pure impersonal infinite consciousness' as the final abode in the process of enlightenment. From Artem's Quora post: https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-levels-of-enlightenment/answer/Artem-Boytsov "There are no levels of enlightenment, but there are levels of dreaming, and every level has its own layer of bondage, which you progressively shed as you move towards the center: On the outer level of dreaming, you are a person in the body, looking outside of the body into the physical world and relating to other persons. You are a slave of society. On a deeper level of dreaming, you are a soul occupying the body and you relate to other souls on an energetic level. You are a slave of your emotional energy. On a deeper still level of dreaming, you are consciousness/God, a being of pure compassion and unconditional love, you are everything and everyone, the deepest form of love. You are a slave of love. On the deepest level of dreaming, you are Brahman, the totality of all existence, infinity beyond manifest, you are truly nothing, eternity, the deepest form of peace. You are a slave of death. When all dreaming ceases, you are just a hairless monkey walking on a ball of rock, eating, pooping, living and not imagining things that are not there. You are now free. Each level of the dream has its own amount of fun and beauty, and very few people go all the way, because each level is covered by its own layer of suffering. Embodiment of unconditional love is extremely fun and very rewarding. Being mentally dead while your body is alive is very peaceful, very restful, very blissful, that’s Buddhahood. When you’re dreaming on the outer layers, the inner layers are there, too, they’re just in your unconscious. As you go from the outer layers towards the center, the dreaming becomes more and more subtle, you become progressively more free. The last level, the Brahmanic level, is the most subtle. It’s almost no dreaming at all. Most people who are awake have awakened from one level of dreaming into a deeper level of dreaming. So their dreaming became a little bit more lucid. “It’s all a dream” as they say. Enlightenment is not awakening into your dream, it is awakening from your dream, entirely. It’s when all dreaming ceases and the mind doesn’t dream anymore." -
Maybe it's all a cosmic joke. Maybe this "self" we're so proud of is just a brain fart, free will's a bedtime story, and we're all just meat puppets jerking to the tunes of our DNA. This mess isn't a plan or conspiracy, it's just the universe taking a massive, uncontrolled shit. Or we're like those first fish dragging their sorry asses onto land. New legs, can't walk without stumbling. Our brains too big for our skulls. We fall for every line of propaganda because we haven't figured out the cognitive wings evolution or God has given us. Perhaps one day, we'll shed the shadows from our egos, and trying to sell us war will be like trying to sell a bitcoin to the Amish. Or, maybe the universe is just one big eye, slowly opening. Life is its first blink, humans are its first blurry thoughts. Science is IT rubbing the sleep out, meditation is IT watching its own mind churn, and the internet? That's IT mapping its own nervous system on a neural net. All the chaos? Just the pain of cosmic puberty. The eye's just not awakened yet but we”ll get there.
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250 Traps Of Life - The Psychology Of Traps https://youtu.be/v3TDLSwHugI?si=Xd7Pjk957VktEZJ5 "Wisdom is understanding that life is full of traps." Image 1 Concept of traps: Leo Gura introduces the concept of traps as a way to navigate life, emphasizing the importance of intelligence, wisdom, consciousness, intuition, and experience in avoiding them. Traps are not just mistakes but enticing situations that appear beneficial but end up costing greatly in the end. Psychological and intellectual traps: The real focus is on the psychological traps created by one’s mind and intellectual traps that deceive our sense of truth. Gura gives examples of traps like a mirage or a ton of feathers seeming lighter than a ton of gold, highlighting the trickery of the mind. Vulnerability to traps: Describing how children, animals, and the inexperienced are more susceptible to traps, Gura recounts a story of a girl who got trapped under sand at a beach and a method for trapping monkeys, illustrating how traps often exploit short-term thinking and lack of foresight. Image 2 Image 3 Fantasies and assumptions: He notes that traps can be wrapped up in fantasies that disconnect us from reality, often subverting assumptions we hold, which is a recurring theme in his work. Self-trapping and collective traps: A central message is how individuals trap themselves rather than being trapped by others, as well as the notion of collective traps within organizations, societies, and tribes. Types of traps in life domains: Leo Gura references various life domains that are ripe with traps, such as business, investing, relationships, education, science, philosophy, epistemology, spirituality, politics, health, martial arts, and more, each with its unique set of pitfalls. Meta trap of externalizing the enemy: One of the biggest meta traps is not realizing that often you are your own greatest enemy and the tendency to externalize the blame. Avoiding traps: Gura promises to provide a comprehensive list of over 250 traps he’s identified and principles for avoiding them in each life domain. Awareness as a trap-avoidance strategy: He suggests that the wisdom of recognizing common traps before entering new life domains can significantly reduce hardships. Book Idea Metaphor: He metaphorically speaks of bestselling book titles focused on “traps” in different domains, suggesting the universal relevance and practicality of this conceptual lens. Acknowledgment of personal growth: Mentioning his own work in compiling a list of traps, Gura makes it clear this is a personal passion which has evolved from his own life experiences and learning. He anticipates sharing deeper insights from this year-long research project in future discussions. Excessive media consumption: Overuse of television, video games, news, and particularly social media platforms like TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter can drain countless hours that could be better spent building oneself and developing skills, which is especially detrimental to young people. Processed food consumption: The widespread trap of eating junk and processed foods leads to health issues and detracts from investing time in proper nutrition and self-care. Outsourcing critical personal functions: While delegating tasks can be beneficial, there are certain things, such as inner work and self-mastery, that should never be outsourced. For example, relying solely on therapists without personal growth efforts or entrusting your business's core marketing strategy to others can be limiting. Blind trust in authorities: It is a trap to trust doctors, scientists, experts, and gurus unquestioningly. People should research their medical conditions, understand prescriptions, and be aware of biases instead of expecting experts to have their best interests at heart. Misplaced trust in the guru model: There's potential danger in committing oneself blindly to a spiritual teacher, as it risks falling prey to corrupt gurus and cults, which may have severe negative consequences. Lack of diversification of information sources: Relying on a single source for news, politics, religion, or advice from a specific guru creates a trap of narrow-mindedness. It's crucial to seek out diverse perspectives to avoid misinformation and bias. Dangers of corrupt spiritual communities: Joining or starting a spiritual commune with an unrealistic view can progress into cult behaviour, leading to disaster due to immaturity, inexperience, and personal ego. Sexual relationship pitfalls: Engaging in sexual relationships with gurus, employees, or within professional dynamics can cause significant issues. Furthermore, navigating sexuality with carelessness or unreal expectations leads to emotional harm and other serious consequences. Falling for sexual and relationship traps: Pursuing sexual satisfaction through methods like pickup culture, chasing after uninterested partners, or not addressing one's sexual needs can lead to negative outcomes and hinder personal development. Social inexperience and ineptitude: The trap of lacking social skills due to overreliance on online interaction hinders real-life relationships and professional progress while treating others transactionally or with disrespect is damaging and unproductive. Authoritarian leadership style: Using control or manipulation in leadership within families, romantic relationships, business, or politics backfires, creating toxic environments and damaging trust. Subtle forms of torturing others: Engaging in subtle acts of cruelty, such as sending hurtful text messages to someone who has scorned you, can be a trap driven by bitterness or a sense of failure. This destructive behavior often stems from trauma and a bad mental state, providing a perverse joy but ultimately leading to nothing beneficial. Distraction with social games: Political games and social maneuvering at gatherings like house parties are traps that consume mental energy and time without long-term significance. Leo Gura contrasts the trivial nature of these dramas with a broader perspective that looks at human history and the universe, illustrating their inconsequence. Petty emotional drama: Becoming entangled in trivial human drama, especially those amplified by the media, is presented as a trap that drains attention and focus. Leo emphasizes the ephemeral nature and lack of import these situations have when viewed from a larger, temporal or spatial context. Parental traps in raising children: Pushing personal values onto children rather than guiding them toward self-actualization and independent thinking is identified as a major trap. Teaching children to understand different perspectives and epistemologies empowers them to make their own decisions and develop their spirituality or interests without the bias of parental imposition. Teaching effectively: Beginning teachers often fall into the trap of focusing on rote memorization rather than encouraging independent thought and insights. Facilitating a process that allows students to develop their own understanding is key to effective education and avoiding indoctrination with beliefs and ideologies. Political radicalization: Becoming politically radicalized, whether far-left, far-right, or anti-mainstream, confines one to tier one politics, which Leo describes as unconscious. He highlights that even if one's stance on an issue is correct, the process of radicalization is harmful, as it closes one off from broader, more conscious political discourse. Single-issue voting: This trap involves becoming politically active or voting based on a narrow focus on a single issue. Politicians may exploit this to gain votes, but Leo warns that holistic consideration of a leader's policies is necessary to make informed electoral decisions that serve the broader good beyond one specific area of interest. Integrity and authenticity: Cheating, lying, stealing, and tax evasion are traps that can bring short-term gain but long-term detriment. Building a life around one's physical appearance or selling one's body for money is fleeting and unsustainable. Instead, building a life on enduring qualities is crucial. Following passions and intuitions: Ignoring one's passions and intuitions can be a trap, but so is always trusting them without discernment. Leo recommends honing intuition over years of experience to distinguish between beneficial hunches and misleading instincts. Job fantasies: Fantasizing about a "dream job" without understanding the daily realities of such a career is a trap. Leo shares his personal experience as a YouTuber to debunk common misconceptions about such seemingly glamorous jobs. Criticism as a career: Engaging in constant criticism can poison one's mindset over time, leading to bitterness and closed-mindedness, which Leo refers to as the "Alex Jones effect." Narrow identity: Identifying solely with a particular religion, nationality, or race limits personal growth and life experiences. Leo urges for a broader identity that transcends these categories. Hatred based on group identification: Generalizing negative experiences with individuals to hatred for an entire gender, race, or group is a trap of overgeneralization and can lead to harmful ideologies such as anti-Semitism, as evidenced by public figures like Kanye West. Stereotyping based on limited experience: Mistakenly generalizing a few negative interactions with individuals from a group to the entire group, leading to harmful stereotypes. Dangers of partying and chemical dependence: Over-indulging in partying and substances like antidepressants, benzos, steroids, alcohol, or recreational drugs results in unhealthy escapism and addiction. Impacts of social media on self-image: Young men influenced by "alpha" fitness influencers may resort to steroids to emulate unrealistic body standards, highlighting social media's role in distorting self-perception. Driving under the influence: Driving while intoxicated or using substances like alcohol, weed, or cocaine poses serious safety risks and legal consequences. Misuse of psychedelics: Using psychedelics without proper research or in inappropriate settings can lead to negative experiences and misunderstandings of their effects on different individuals. The allure of financial credit and debt: Falling into debt through loans, credit cards, and student loans without considering the long-term financial burden and its implications for future freedom and opportunities. Traps in romantic relationships: Confusing infatuation with love, overlooking red flags, staying in toxic dynamics, and relying on a relationship for personal completion can lead to emotional suffering and lack of personal growth. Dangers of committing crimes: Engaging in criminal behavior can lead to a false sense of security until legal repercussions catch up and potentially ruin one's life. Violence as a self-destructive response: Using violence to handle situations can escalate to further violence, criminal charges, and lifelong regret. Idealizing spiritual gurus and enlightenment: Placing unrealistic expectations on spiritual teachers or seeing enlightenment as a panacea for all of life's challenges creates disappointment and neglects personal responsibility for growth. The balance between spirituality and active life: Prioritizing spirituality too early in life can lead to a lack of engagement with important life experiences like relationships, career, and socializing, affecting overall fulfillment. Live life fully when young: Leo advises using your youth for enjoyment, like partying and building a business, as health and energy decline with age. This strategy helps avoid regrets about missed experiences later in life. Limitations of singular teachings: Relying on one set of teachings is insufficient for understanding life. A diverse range of insights is necessary. Awakening is not binary: The idea that you're either awakened or not is a misconception. Consciousness and awakening are gradual and varied processes. Need for contemplation: Making yourself too busy is a trap. Adequate downtime is essential for integration and reflection on life experiences. Pitfalls of online arguing: Engaging in debates, especially on social platforms, doesn't contribute to deep understanding but can become a distracting trap. Financial autonomy and thrift: Depending on others for wealth is unrealistic, and extreme frugality can lead to missed opportunities and regrets, as exemplified by Gura's personal anecdote. Knowing vs. pretending: Admitting ignorance is beneficial. Pretending to know more than one actually does out of ego is a trap. Misjudging perspectives: Strawmanning and demonizing unfamiliar viewpoints can hinder understanding and communication. Excess defense in criticism: Overreacting to criticism can exacerbate issues rather than address the criticism constructively. Confusing success with virtue: Equating popularity or wealth with truth, happiness, or righteousness is misleading, particularly in the context of influencer culture. Skepticism of miracle cures: Desperation can lead to belief in untested New Age or miracle cures, which might be harmful. Personal responsibility vs. divine reliance: Expecting a deity to resolve personal problems is a trap; one should take responsibility for their own affairs. Consequences of unethical behavior: Actions such as lying, cheating, and exploitation carry psychological and moral costs even if one isn't caught legally. Dangers of arrogance and false humility: Arrogance can blind one to learning opportunities, and false humility can undermine genuine understanding. Testing New Age claims: Critical examination of New Age or paranormal claims is necessary to separate reality from wishful thinking. Reality of love: Understanding that love is not always pleasant but a complex and serious endeavor is important. Discerning wisdom sharing: Sharing wisdom without discernment or pushing one's beliefs on others who may not be receptive is a trap. Awareness of apocalyptic thinking: Being cautious of apocalyptic predictions, which often do not come to fruition, can prevent unnecessary stress and poor decisions. Focused endeavors: Starting too many projects dilutes focus and effectiveness. Concentration on a few pursuits is advantageous. Practicality in spirituality: Acknowledging that life isn't just an intangible dream and taking practical actions like steady employment is essential. Commitment in meditation practice: Serious and technique-driven meditation practice is crucial for real benefit, unlike casual practices. Work for promise of profits: Engaging in work based solely on future profit-sharing promises can be risky and often leads to dissatisfaction. Contractual agreements: Always obtain a concrete contract to ensure payment for your work; avoid relying on empty promises of future compensation. Overpromising: Making promises you can't fulfill, as exemplified by Elon Musk, can damage credibility. It's better to avoid making promises to limit potential pitfalls and maintain integrity. Authenticity vs. Fakeness: Being fake to gain advantages, whether in relationships or other endeavors, is not worth the potential harm to one's integrity or reputation. Due diligence: The trap of not verifying sources or information out of laziness can lead to poor decisions and regrettable outcomes. Materialism: Believing that acquiring luxury items and adhering to popular brands will bring happiness is a trap—ownership often comes with hidden costs and maintenance burdens. Following trends: Mistaking popularity for quality can be misleading, whether with books, spiritual teachers, or business advice. Health and finances: Neglecting routine health exams and putting all your financial resources in one place can be risky and detrimental. Dealing with friends and family: Engaging in business or loaning money to close ones can strain or ruin relationships, particularly if the business faces challenges. Legal concerns: Act responsibly when interacting with law enforcement; resisting arrest or fleeing can lead to severe legal consequences. Exotic pets: Owning unconventional pets can be burdensome and is often underestimated in terms of the care and maintenance they require. Audience capture: Content creators must be wary of becoming too focused on clicks, likes, and views, as it may lead to a loss of authenticity and personal misery. Charisma deception: Charismatic individuals, whether politicians or romantic interests, can be alluring, but their charm could be a facade disguising ulterior motives. Misplaced value in credentials: Overvaluing titles and studying for grades rather than understanding can backfire in the long term, potentially leading to superficial knowledge. Communication pitfalls: Engaging in violent communication and making assumptions can result in miscommunication and conflict. Work-life imbalance: Working excessively, particularly without enjoyment, is a trap that can compromise one's well-being. High-risk investments: Chasing high ROI opportunities, attempting to time the market, or falling for investment fads can lead to significant financial losses. Personal disclosure: Oversharing on social media may lead to regret, as once information is public, it's irreversible and can affect privacy. Seeking fame and love online: Using social media as a means of achieving fame or love is often an illusion and can be a trap that sacrifices genuine connections and personal contentment. Traps in personal relationships and business: Seeking love from celebrities and idolizing them can lead to unhealthy parasocial relationships. Believing in unrealistic guarantees, such as 100% uptime from web hosting services, is a sign to steer clear of certain business dealings. The self-improvement treadmill: Engaging in self-actualization non-stop can become just another rat race, failing to bring true fulfillment. Profit maximization downfall: Brands that focus excessively on sequel releases for profit can diminish quality and cut corners, leading to subpar offerings. Legal and law enforcement entrapments: Legal contracts can hide nefarious clauses and NDAs, while law enforcement practices like entrapment can mislead individuals into self-incrimination. Collective societal traps: Societal reactions like the backlash to terrorism can create further issues rather than solving them. Tragedy of the commons scenarios, such as public spaces deteriorating due to lack of individual responsibility, demonstrate collective shortfalls. Selfish voting and lobbying: Voting and lobbying with only personal gain in mind lead to a corrupt and dysfunctional government, diverting focus from collective well-being. Overreliance on technology: Believing technology can solve deep-rooted human and social issues is misplaced; technology cannot fix problems such as immaturity or lack of spiritual connection. Imposing development stages: Attempting to force democracy or other higher-stage developments onto societies that aren't ready can backfire. Societal traps: Issues like political polarization, the danger of constant growth narratives, metrics fixation in education, and nostalgia can hinder societal progress. Psychological and epistemological traps: Rosy retrospection, confirmation bias, denial, grounding happiness in others, postmodernism, avoiding truth, and misinterpreting gender subjectivity can obstruct personal understanding and growth. Limiting beliefs and judgment: Beliefs in personal limitations can become self-fulfilling prophecies, while dismissing experience reports as hallucinations limits understanding of diverse realities. Judging, repressing problems and passive-aggressive behavior degrade interpersonal relationships. Judgment as a trap: Leo Gura identifies judgement of reality and others as a significant trap that stems from our egos and is difficult to overcome. Morality's pitfalls: The field of morality is described as a trap, with future content planned to explore this. Feelings of moral righteousness, moral crusading, and demonizing or virtue signaling are highlighted as specific moral traps. Self-perception delusion: Realizing one is not inherently good but has done evil acts is discussed as an epiphany Gura experienced, challenging the common self-perception of being a 'good person'. Messiah complex: The notion that one must save the world, underpinned by a belief that only they can prevent an apocalypse, is addressed as a delusion and a psychological trap. Philosophical and ideological traps: Gura points out the limitations of engaging in armchair philosophy, taking centrist views on controversies, and assuming personal perspectives as universal truths. Ideology, particularly stubbornness and close-mindedness, is also mentioned as a trap that prevents genuine insight. Empathy and understanding limitations: Both excessive empathy, particularly in progressive contexts, and assuming others share one's own experiences and capabilities, are described as traps that can lead to misunderstandings and unrealistic expectations. Avoiding traps with strategies: Gura advises expecting traps in new domains, avoiding desperation, long-term thinking, clarity of values, distinguishing real value from fake allure, and seeking advice from experienced individuals. Contemplation and periodic review of traps, as well as employing the premortem technique to anticipate and prevent failures, serve as means to steer clear of traps. Learning from traps: Emphasizing that falling into traps is acceptable provided one learns from them, Gura differentiates between catastrophic traps, which must be avoided, and less significant ones that can offer learning opportunities. Seeking expert advice on avoiding traps is also recommended for gaining valuable foresight. Pitfalls of worshiping gurus: Blindly following gurus can lead to falling into traps such as adopting ideologies without critical thinking, thus succumbing to groupthink. Value of experience: Immense experience is vital for avoiding traps; severe inexperience is considered the root of many traps because we start life completely ignorant and only learn through mistakes. Failing constructively: It's important to fail often and quickly, but failure should not be catastrophic or crippling, as some failures can have irreversible consequences, like losing a limb. Categorizing risks: When assessing potential traps, especially new ones, distinguish between those that are catastrophic and those that are less critical, so as to prioritize caution correctly. Literature and truth: Reading extensively, including biographies, history, business books, and other genres, provides a foundation to understand human mistakes and avoid similar traps. Facing truth and seeking diverse perspectives: Actively seeking the truth and getting diverse viewpoints on various matters, like spirituality, business, and relationships, can prevent one from falling into traps. Context awareness and cognitive development: Developing context awareness and reaching the 'construct aware' stage of cognitive development assists in recognizing abstract and existential traps. Sustainability principle: Engagement in sustainable practices, whether in business or relationships, leads to satisfaction and avoids the trap of unsustainable, short-term solutions. Strategic positioning: Avoid desperation by maintaining strategic life positioning to prevent being lured into compromising situations that can lead to traps. Understanding of personal vulnerabilities: Realizing that traps often reflect our own desires and fears, a personalized approach to recognizing traps one might be susceptible to is crucial. Awareness of mental traps ('meta traps'): Recognizing 'meta traps' such as thinking you're immune to certain traps or denying you're in one can be key to avoiding a cycle of mistakes. Psychological growth from traps: Traps should be seen as opportunities for learning; exercises for reflection can help reframe experiences as beneficial despite their seeming negativity. Balance and pitfalls: Success in any domain requires finding the right balance between two extremes. Examples include not being too cheap or wasteful, balancing hard work with relaxation to avoid workaholism or procrastination, and finding a middle ground between blind faith in religion and dismissing all spirituality. Admissions of fallibility: Leo Gura acknowledges that he is not immune to falling into traps, stating that his knowledge of traps comes from personal experiences and contemplation. He reserves the right to make mistakes and fall into traps in the future as a natural part of life. Awareness of traps as value: He emphasizes the practicality of awareness over ideology, stating that his content's primary function is to identify various traps, which he has done for the past 10 years, though it has only recently been made explicit. AI as a contemplation aid: Gura has started using AI (Claude 3) to enhance his talks by challenging his thinking. He fed his extensive outline to the AI, asking it to scrutinize and improve his work by playing Devil's Advocate and highlighting potential flaws. Image 4 Flaws identified by AI: Risk of oversimplification: Not all situations can be categorized as traps. Excessive cynicism: Overmistrust and paranoia can create unhealthy skepticism. Blame and shame: It's important to be compassionate toward others who fall into traps. Rigidity and dogmatism: Using the "traps lens" inflexibly leads to a narrow viewpoint. Context-dependent traps: A trap in one situation may be an opportunity in another. Gifts in traps: AI suggested acknowledging the positive outcomes of navigating traps. Reframing traps: Viewing falling into traps as a learning experience rather than a failure. Systemic factors: The need to consider wider societal factors beyond individual agency. Flexibility in thinking: The reminder to hold frameworks lightly and embrace alternative views. Potential AI reliance: Gura foresees possible traps with AI use, like becoming reliant on AI for content creation or overvaluing its efficiency over contemplative effort. The irony of sources: Gura cautions that even the highest sources of information, including Actualized.org and any revered authority, can become traps if relied upon without critical thinking. Personal growth and future plans: Implicit in the conclusion is Gura's hint at personal struggles and growth he experienced during a year-long break from content creation. He plans to share deeper insights and new material gained from this period in the future, integrating subtle changes in his approach to content. The ultimate trap: Gura leaves with the parting idea that the self is the ultimate trap, suggesting that ego and self-identification are overarching pitfalls in the journey towards enlightenment and personal development. Colloportus
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UnbornTao replied to integral's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Any statement can be interpreted as an assumption. But could there be a real recognition underlying the communication that validates such view? Say someone "gets it" and then claims something like "Consciousness is all", if that were consistent with their breakthrough. First, you don't have to believe in it. You can try listening to it and the "experience" may get across to you, that is, you grasp your nature (this would be like a transmission in zen). The key is the consciousness itself, not anything else that comes after it such as the expression. It must be validated through personal "experience." Hence the role of self-inquiry. One challenge is that we may not understand what "direct" means. Do you hold it as possible--becoming conscious of the thing itself without intermediary, absolutely, prior to experience, mind and perception, beyond a doubt? The terms kensho and satori can give the mind something new to ponder. If you don't think it as possible, then this awakening business is a mere fantasy to you. And relatively, why close oneself off? We may be able to understand directly the nature of things beyond assumption. We just shouldn't conflate our failure to do so with concluding that it is impossible. This is where the principle of openness comes in. Why is Gautama known as the awakened one? Leaving legend aside, he exemplifies the possibility of "complete enlightenment", whatever that is. Can we understand everything there is, as the Buddha presumably did? I'd say yes. If a human could do it, then it means that it is possible. There, an incoherent mess. -
Water by the River replied to Water by the River's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Correlation doesn't mean causation. But strange conincidence, hm? That the awakened nondual states don't happen anymore when taking psychedelics, because they are already the case? -
Water by the River replied to Water by the River's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
https://dmtquest.org/endohuasca-magic/ Stable access to awakened nondual states? And certain bodily correlates of that, like above? The main effects of psychedelics like Nonduality, Infinite Being, mere groundless appearance, eternal Infinite Being and other minor things (like end of grasping/resistance and so on) in the palm of ones hand, always available? But how the f*** could that even matter?