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@blankisomeone Yeah maybe from their mind's POV, but God is very aware of its doing. But even then, the person who commits suicide is actually looking for "relief" and that is the definition of "infinite love". Next time you orgasm, you'll notice it's basically intense relief. That's what a suicidal person wants, love.

The one who commits suicide isn’t thinking about reuniting with infinite love. He’s thinking of NONEXISTENCE (which can’t happen) we’re here forever man, it sucks? Don’t you understand the seriousness of the situation? Lol

@SgtPepper Change your definition of "suicide" to the "choice the reunite with infinite love and God when one chooses to do so". Or more simply put, death / suicide is just "going home".

I understand why as a society we would allow it. but personally, I don't think suicide is ever a good idea. as for the rationale? (the quote you posted) it's a bunch of bullshit lol.

Moral frameworks exist within the human conceptual matrix. Everything that exists does so out of and being the embodiment of infinite love. So suicide is infinite love, fearing death is infinite love, the people trying to convince you not to kill yourself is infinite love etc etc. As to what moral frameworks Leo does or doesn't use. Leo would seem to be utilizing some combination of all of the those. But he most certainly is not a hedonist, at least not to the same extent that he's a non dualistic cosmologist for example. We know this because he thinks for example not very highly of recreational drug use(a position he and I share). Were he a hedonist he would love recreational drug use.

@Apple Juice When the momentum of discord has reached the point it has, the ideal help is the help specifically trained for where you’re at so to speak. Call, allow & receive that help. http://www.suicide.org/hotlines/international-suicide-hotlines.html https://www.opencounseling.com/suicide-hotlines I am not per se specifically trained in suicide prevention, but can rightfully say that you haven’t tried everything yet, and if you’d like to try chatting with me just let me know. I’m available today. Links below, or just pm me. Much love.

@Apple Juice Calm down, you can find a solution to this. Do not give up hope. I think what happened to you is this: you had a panic attack and depersonalization. You went into the subliminal audio with 1. a very specific image of yourself 2. desire to change that image 3. very specific expectations as to what your new self would / should look like. You therefore turned your awareness at yourself, constantly observing how you believed yourself to be. Then you listened to the audio, (still constantly observing yourself with a specific image and expectation in mind) and then looked for the desired change in yourself (a manlier voice). Your expectations came true as a self-fulfilling prophecy. You Persona changed by virtue of you believing that it has changed. The reason this hasn't gone away is not because you're crazy, you're not. You are not possessed by anything either, it's still all you, relax. The reason this hasn't gone away is because you are still (yes, for the last 3 months) observing yourself / your image of yourself / the PERSONA you believe yourself to be. This whole thing is just about persona. You can't stop believing that you have become this new persona because any attempt to stop believing it simply reinforces the belief that you are this new persona. You understand? That's why you haven't gotten out of it, because you are not conscious of that dynamic. Stop turning your focus inwardly. Start turning your focus outwardly, stop observing yourself. Stop observing yourself when you speak, just speak. Don't think about how you're going to speak or what other people will think about you. You must learn to redirect your attention at something other than yourself. No persona stays forever and yours won't last either. Trust in that, don't give up hope and don't focus on it. Find something to do and then do that and focus on that. And stop listening to reverse subliminal audio, they will simply reinforce the belief that you are this Mr. Testosterone, you're not. If you still can't do it and are seriously considering suicide, please get help ASAP. There are ways to fix this.

@Leo Gura Leo in this video at 1:00 you say that suicide is not morally wrong.doesnt this depend on what moral framework you use though? For example if you are an utalitarian( goal-maximize pleasure of everyone) wouldnt suicide be wrong according to the utalitarian framework as suicide will decrease the pleasure of others(due to selfblame/guilt etc)? i think what you meant to say is “since morality doesn’t exist and nothing is right or wrong,whether you commit suicide or not doesn’t matter”.am I right? you don’t adhere to any moral framwork do you leo? (Utalitarianism,consequentialism,or deontology)? If anything I would say you are closest to a hedonist right?

The person who commits suicide thinks death is better than life.. So it's still boil down to what feels better for the oneself.

Its a difference between fate and calling. In fate life kinda happend to you, including your choices and since thats the case nothing to do, no responsibility. In other, you are the the one who has to make choices, take responsibility and agree to be human in complex world of relationships and multiple importances. With paths that differ and one is better than another. I know this kind of talk isnt politically correct spiritual jargon in this forum but I think its important reminder. Its my understanding that the way practiced and preached here has brought multiple people to suicide. Dont wish to free people from responsibility that your actions might part take on someones decision to commit one in future.

Suicide is the survival attempt of the ego. "Rather die than be known as this". Get it?

Explain suicide.

Reading older posts - Ekhart Tolle was suicidal and then he reached enlightenment, which Leo says is rare? Side notes for ethical debate and reasoning ... I think suicide should be made legal, except you must be on a waiting list for six months and if you're still feeling like life is a trap you can opt out. And I do not believe in a terrible afterlife full of human regrets, because the body turns to dust which is exactly what we want, Now I get intense frustration, and people then say there is no 'I' or 'person' who is frustrated, but then they say oh you're such and such, stop being selfish ... but wait, there's not a 'person' or 'I' to stop being selfish? I genuinely do not think one can be any less selfish and become selfless, and anyone teaching so called selflessness, I can only continue to disagree; because surely the singularity will be selfish, as it cannot be selfless to an apparent 'other' if it were a singularity? Further on, a singularity I imagine goes inwards, not outward. Moreover, isn't the the apparent 'observer' of say intense spontaneous thoughts and emotions with all the rest of the complex processes occurring to the supposed frustrated experiencer ‘I’, also a dualistic teaching? To explain myself more clearly here, to say there is an invisible observer separate from the complex frustrating experiences which occur and make up the supposed 'I'? Isn't that a dualistic teaching? Third - Third, Leo said in a previous post that I was immature and perhaps I'm best to stay away from DMT, but I was joking around and the comment was more so a light hearted parody of lets say Ram Dass who rubbed his Ghuru's feet. Hence I got frustrated and I took it personally, because I hate people telling me things that aren't accurate and its likely a false judgement. So the question is, does one continue to take life personally, I mean lets say you're trying to be a certain way like working hard, but your partner in the household says you're lazy when you leave your socks on the floor each time you come in after work, and your partner doesn't understand how hard you have worked in the past, no one does, and yet there's not a whole lot to show up for the hard work you're commited to in the past, and your partner thinks you're lazy in the house hold? Side note - perhaps the comment Leo made was for my own safety to avoid drugs and not be immature about spiritual development, understandable, however I was still personal hence my question about things being personal in relationships that hurt, irritate and frustrate myself, Fourth - I do not think enlightnement exists, as does U.G. Krishnamurti, and two different people who preach about it probably have two very different ideas or experiences about "enlightenment". Fifth - Love DOES NOT exist, it does as a selfish human experience. For example, I like the way you make me feel, but I dislike and hate the way the other people make me feel. I'm selfish and I want you to continue to make me feel good, and so when I receive extra affectionate and non sexual intimacy do I feel really good and call that love. But those people who disregard me as deserving special attention, I hate those people. Okay, and Leo, I've been liking and appreciating your videos on YouTube recently, although I'm going to stand on the otherside of the fence and debate - Now, people will revert to saying I need medication or to be locked up in a looney asylum when I make points that I feel are valid, like these ones, and it would get on my nerves and I could escape these people either - I'm willing to perhaps alter my current ideas if yours resonates, although perhaps you won't alter your own to see these few points of views I've made to begin with, which I also question, so at the moment there's a fence and I'm happy to question selfishness and if enlightenment is an illusion, and if love is a fake transaction for survival, and suicidal should be legalized as well as drugs, Thank you in transaction for anyone's response or reading,

Hanna needed 13 reasons to commit suicide, and even then I thought she was a drama queen.

Read “I hate you don’t leave me” or “Walking on eggshells” tell her to take lithium or , lithium orotate, and get IFS therapy, which reduces bipolar symptoms. make sure you talk to a therapist if you have problems as it’s common for the ex’s of bpd people to commit suicide

I don't have a problem with using guns to hunt game and wild animals, but why does the public need dangerous weapons for protection against people. Don't forget other people can carry guns too, not to mention they are also dangerous in which people can be harmed from firearms accidents. Guns give people a lot of power and power can go to your head, if you think you would come off worse from an altercation you wouldn't get involved in an altercation and you could always be stopped by members of the public. That doesn't happen with guns you can kill someone in an instant and noone can stop you as it takes a split second to pull a trigger. Gun related homicides make up around 3/4 of all homicides in the US and the US has the highest homicide rate in the developed world not lagging far behind south and central American countries with cartel problems. There are a lot of people who feel they have nothing to loose and they want to express themselves before they kill themselves or throw their life away in jail and guns most certainly give people the means to carry this out which can be very alluring when you feel very low. It is also said by mental health experts in the media that giving people distance between them and the means of suicide drastically reduces suicides, a gun goes off in a second, theirs no pain, no time to calm down, no time to prepare, you can have a certain urge in a split second and then its all over. I feel its the same way with shooting homicides you can have one very bad day and you have the instant means at your disposal to kill a lot of people in a short amount of time, you know the statistics from the media so you know the chance of success to express yourself. The media sensationalising shootings bombarding the public with constant news footage about every single aspect of the persons life and the incident turns the perpetrator into a nihlistic anti- hero for people that have similar disgruntled feelings about society or certain groups of people, which can be a source of inspiration in that they are making a difference for whatever they believe, so the media certainly doesn't help as well. Whenever their is a shooting in the media authorities are on alert for copy cat killers or other people that have been inspired by constant news footage I acknowledge we have a knife problem in the UK and even more shockingly its the Gen Z's aged between 12 and 15 that seem to be carrying out most of these attacks that have happened in my country in the past 10 years, but you can't massacre a lot of people with a knife as you can be easily disarmed and killing yourself afterwards with a knife isnt very appealing, which at least provides somewhat of a deterrent; stronger laws to punish carry knifes are what is needed.

I promote the idea of firearm ownership because I don't trust human nature. The more checks and balances we have to keep human nature in check the better. Plus, the number of actual firearm fatalities in the US is rather low compared to say overdoses, abortions, and any other of number causes of death. I usually like to bring up the fact there are 850,000 abortions per year in the US compared to 30,000 non suicide firearm fatalities. AND on top of it, many of the firearm deaths occur in heavily blue cities that do things like hand out signature bonds, go soft on crime, and in general have policy that increases crime and blames it all on systematic racism and makes the problem worse. I wouldn't mind having a registration system that can tie guns to owners to better track the flow of weapons though. The problems is serial numbers can be removed, guns can hit the elicit areas and end up being illegally modified.

@Marcel thank you so much. You almost saved me from a suicide. You make me happy. I can't be grateful enough.

@HypnoticMagician I feel the opposite it would gain more. If you really want to play advocatus diaboli play it with a bit more mindfulness. I love criticism, yet what you wrote is sheer stupidity and myopia. I am better off doing the stuff instead of receiving that kind of feedback. What you are saying stuff that happend in my life would basically drive you to suicide for me you are just some rando online. I don't think commenting me is going to work for you. Just stop it. Writting j.k like a 12 y.o apologizing for brat like behaviour using this nasty kind of fantasy language. I don't know just give others feedback who are worse off than me. Your opinion to me is as close to worthless as it gets. The amount of assumptions you make is horrible. Go troll someone else. I care about results and not about your philosophy of things. What kind of feedback is this? The way you type almost tells me everything about you. So, just go through your transformation. Talking about assumptions.

@Someone here I don´t think is bad. But I had some months ago a really lucid vision one day of my mother crying my death because I had killed myself. I know it's biased because its my mother but I felt that pain so deep that from that moment I swear I would never kill myself just to not make that moment happen. If I ever want to suicide, I will wait for my mother to die first.

@Javfly33 why is suicide bad? Nope. Mostly it's out of your control.

No because too much suffering could lead you to suicide and that would cause even more suffering to other people. Although of course you could always say "accept that other people are going to suffer". But... yeah, I don´t know about your theory. I think it´s better to work your ass off to not suffer.

so you certainly seem to understand what this guy is telling me. Yes, his theory is that attraction is both irellevant and also super easy to get. Now you just keep asking for small comliance steps all the way to to sex. And you 'solve' the issue each time she rejects comliance (either with a tease or with some sort of logical objection handling line such as 'I have to be up early too' if she says she can't come back because she was work in the morning) But I have been testing it though ,and as expected, girls will fail to comply, assuming i'm not her type, as soon as teh compliance test is anything that could be sexual. No matter how small I increase each compliance test there is a 'line' where, if i'm not her type, she won't comply. But he says that's now how it works and he can bang 10/10 models every night etc which is what I want to do!. lol. But maybe it 'works' for him because he's much better looking than me? I don't know. Although he of course says he's not and that girls do'nt care about looks anyway. Guess it's hard to test stuff like this. My really handsome wingman can (and does) get laid being ridiculously direct so you could say his style works, but for most guys it's suicide lol Is your friend really good looking? Sounds like his results are better than any PUA i've ever read about or on youtube. And this is using the same compliance method? Yeah, I think in one post the guy claimed he could make girls eat dirt using this compliance system lol. I think there's a good chance he's in dreamland and I also am suspicious that he might in fact BE that 'john anthony' scammer guy. I'm sure I could find much better examples of his posts where there's good discussion between him and people saying he's talking crap, but here's one of his posts. He goes by 'kpop' https://www.reddit.com/r/datingadviceformen/comments/qyux8i/would_it_be_okay_if_i_do_this/hlol6ik/?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/datingadviceformen/comments/p9v3wy/do_girls_secretly_like_manipulative_men/hc7x5s2/?context=3 Maybe a thread where a few of us who are struggling can use his theory and compare results. Hopefully we can all be sleeping with the very hottest girls each night using the compliance method!

I´m not sure if I understand you correctly here. Imo, most hired-sex is for the above reasons I said. Primal sex craving can easily "be cured" with masturbation. I´m a virgin and unless I do nofap, I could go on for 50 years more without sex. Because if I fap regularly, I feel fine. My brain doesn't seem to know that the sex it's getting (masturbation) is fake . It's the craving to be desired by opposite sex, intimacy and ego validation that basically drives the guy like a madman. Particularly when he is very deprived of love (yes, love through sex validation is fake and non-spiritual but... it just runs deep. It can't be deconsctrued easily. You are better suited if you just surrender to it and get it once and for all). That's why I find hard to believe that there are people that just have " a whole lotta fun " with escorts. Its just... physical pleasure without the psychological high in males is not much of a big deal. Although there is definitely an audience like that, I still think the majority of users is not that they don't want the burden of a girlfriend, is that they can't have a girlfriend to have sex with. This reminds me of the multiple conversations Ive had with Financial Online Dominatrix (not professionals, but these teens that they just want their Amazon cart bought or latest shoes paid) I've talked to when I have asked about how they feel about their clients to, they think Financial Submissives are this high end guys that just have so money to spend and have lots of stress and do bdsm to let go and step out of their leadership role in real life. ...When the reality is that they do that because they have the self-esteem of point of suicide, absolutely no sex, and most of them are in no way rich. It's such a naive and hunky-dory narrative that it's even cute.

I don't know. According to Sadhgurus wiki, he had an awakening around 25 years old, and then spent the next few decades teaching and furthering his understanding. But how did his wife all of a sudden develop to a point where conscious suicide was a wise move for her? She left behind a 7 year old daughter as well. Sadhguru gave an explanation but he did provide any reason for her decision. He just said it like it's some normal thing that people do, and we are all just too low conscious to understand the wisdom behind it. I want to know how his wife all of a sudden became an Arhat, when it Sadhguru a spontaneous awakening and decades of insight to grow into spirituality. I don't know anything for certain, it's just something that has been on my mind and I'm curious if others have thought about it as well, given he's such a popular spiritual figure.