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@ZzzleepingBear I'm arguing about the other half of the title. I have no view on the "no thing missing". If the "me" is separate, then the sense of existence or reality of anything is coming from somewhere that is not-me, the "me" doesn't get to decide what's real or not, even itself. This aligns with my reality, I don't stand there dictating what is real and what isn't, it happens automatically without my involvement. The "me" isn't a special case where the "me" gets to decide that it itself exists, no, it just is that way. In fact it is only awakening that allows "us" to see the illusory nature of the self, in which case a decision of sorts is being made on what is real or not. You see, it's all back to front. All this talk of illusory stuff and no me is coming from a position of being awakened. But until that point, everything is very real including the self, and there's no choice about it.

sooo true. I feel like a lot of us have mystical experiences (like flow) without even realizing it is a mystical experience or the truth of any of it. It's not until you're awakened that everything shows itself (mind, body, you) and you can see clearly the dynamics at play between them. You realize that you are the mystical experience that is happening to your mind, or to your body.

When you decide to die you go to the source and you grow another body until you decide to transcend and take the body with you into infinity. Death of the body is not a rule in this universe. It can be transcended, death. Those of you who seen and experienced this truth congrats. The other flock who thinks they are awakened or enlightened, keep reading your books.

Well, its only speculation until you find out a way to learn more. Reaching awakened states using psychedelics was only speculation until someone discovered the method and tried it. Also I think it can be very problematic to just ignore these things. For instance it seems like alot of people get the idea that they will merge into the godhead when their physical body dies no matter what. This belief can make people do very foolish things, hurting themselves or others etc. Therefor I dont think discussing these things, trying to find more answers, is a waste of time at all. Im not saying it isnt possible that you actually go non-dual after physical death, but from my own experiences and from listening to yogis etc I think its highly unlikely that is what happens for the everyday person.

I think Leo’s epistemics are the most correct, with respect to reality being God and love, as well as awakening having many facets that go deeper. I think he is right about enlightenment not being the end of searching but an opportunity to go further and find infinitely more. Frank Yang seems to be an example of someone who has found satisfaction in having awakened, and no-longer has the same motivating factor that brought him to enlightenment, because his motivation was not that of understanding everything, but was more akin to finding what it is that is true beyond this illusory world. Jed McKenna had a similar drive. Most important for him was to no-longer live in a state of falsehood, so whether or not he had a Buddhist no-self awakening, he would still be happy having no found something eternally true, beyond the false or illusory. He might not even care to know if it was love or not. Leo might lack the same fulfillment that Frank and Jed might share because he is still pursuing, and he is pursuing more understanding simply because that is his disposition, not because of lack of knowing. when one relaxes like Jed or Frank, they seem more able to embody the truth of enlightenment because they are giving themselves to the disposition that it suggests, that being needlessness. i think it is a difference in their natures. For Leo to embody his awakenings more he would probably need to loosen up on his drive to keep finding more. this is my first attempt?

I feel pretty strongly that direct experience conquers all. However of course, there have been many, many times in my life where I couldn't trust my experience. In fact, I was living with PTSD that has only faded now after a year of EMDR therapy. So I know how easy it is for one to delude oneself into believing all kinds of things. Having said that, I could mostly always see when the paranoia and delusions associated with PTSD was at play, but it didn't stop me acting as if it was real. The feeling of imminent attack, for example. Anyway. I have a lot of questions coming up in my experience on this particular topic. I wonder if belief and truth actually merge into each other, for example. Say, I wanted to believe that gravity didn't exist. So I adopt the belief. Then when I drop a stick from a height and it falls on to the grass, I have some options. I can say "this proves that gravity exists" or I can say something along the lines of "well yes, the stick has fallen in accordance with the theory of gravity and it's pull etc, but I still believe that there is something else operating here." Now, the funny thing is, that these would both be beliefs. I can choose to believe in gravity, or I can choose to refute it and say something else must be at play. If I choose the latter, someone might say "but you saw the stick drop to the ground, how can you not believe in gravity?". Where is the truth of the concept of gravity? In the present moment, right? Every moment that goes by I can see gravity at work. The leaves fall from the trees to the ground. Voila. But there's a distinction here and almost a simplification to be made. A) "In every passing moment I can see things fall to the ground naturally." Versus B) "Things are falling to the ground because of gravity." See the difference there? Option A is very much not conceptualising the occurrence and just noticing something happen. Option B has a story about it, a belief. Now, I'm obviously not refuting the existence of 'gravity' in physical reality. What I am saying, however, is that both statements seem to be true, yet option B seems to be believing the fact, on top of directly witnessing it. How can this be? This means there is a possibility to conflate truth with belief. This is a rather benign example but it will have deeper ramifications. So, I think my point of this post is to ask, how can we ever know something to be true? And, how can we know it is not a projection from indoctrinated beliefs? I want to give one more, hopefully compelling example. I'm watching an Actualized.org video about What Is God? There's something inside me that knows I have not awakened to what this video describes. Yet, there's something inside me that believes it to be the case, certainly more than the Big Bang. Now, I go and take some psychedelic and ask it to show me what God is, and let's my experience confirms everything Leo has said. How can I know that this is genuine truth, and not belief masquerading as the truth? I've just realised what the answer may be. Something like "Being comes before knowing." I'm gonna post it anyway as it seems like an interesting topic.

First of all, 5-meo is not a neurotransmitter but a neuromodulator of similar tryptamine activity - you don't claim one needs to take heroin to truly understand what pleasure feels like, so why claim such for 5meo and insight? For all we know, it is an overload of serotonergic circuits that mediate feelings of affection, social bonding and insight. With our current limited understanding of neurology, to simply claim it is all imaginary is just as naive as Ancient Greeks assigining differential weather activity to Gods - hence the title of this topic 'admitting I don't know'. Leo doesn't claim to have a model, but an objective claim of Absolute Truth. That's a hell of a difference. Bro seriously? I see you're learning gaslighting already, it's not fear but only critical thinking of one's self accord instead of blind belief, which would in turn greatly influence the result of any psychedelic experience. Leo wholeheartedly believes his interpretation of experiences, conflating God with Infinity and love that could, for all one knows, be a result of an overactive brain activity. If you claim otherwise, please do back it up with your understanding of neuroscience, I do love me some discussion. None of the circular loop of 'you're imagining it', because that's not an explanation. For all one knows, it could be a psychotic break that us mere 'mortals' cannot comprehend. Enlightenment occurs only after cessation of attachment to a concept of enlightment - it's 'nothingness', as in there is nothing there to be found. No ultimate high, greatest awakenings - those are ironically the greatest obstacles in the pathway to enlightenment and peace. I don't see much of positive values of awakened masters in Leo, despite the mass of contribution in many fields on his channel. There's little compassion, respect, understanding. He parrots his own 'findings' as absolute truth, where the truth could be that all his experiences are subjective, particularly in the cause of nuclear bomb that is 5meo. He's self-absorbed to the point of not realizing so, anyone wiht a background in psychology can see so. And I say this with greatest love and respect for the guy, because he helped me loads and is a great guy and I wish him all the best. EDIT: Qualia Institute argues for an opposite perspective of Leo's, and overall psychedelic, experience. It seems far more likely and makes sense in a thorough, logical manner, attaching the link here: 5-MeO-DMT Awakenings: From Naïve Realism to Symmetrical Enlightenment | Qualia Computing And no, leo did not dismantle science. Leo has a very limited understanding of what Science actually entails, and masks it behind 'it's all very complicated and requires years of understanding and dying multiple times to grasp it'.

I’ve awakened my crown chakra, clairsentience, or Holy Spirit depending on what language you want to use by having telepathic communication with them in my waking life. As this is a rather subconscious issue, it’s hard to control the nature of those actions in non-lucid dreams even when my conscious mind would never aim to harm. This makes me wonder if the lucid dreaming tactic would work, but I think at the very least it would help me pull another layer of the onion back in order to be closer to loving them fully as Self. Watch the video if you want to hear possibly the strangest story of awakening the Holy Spirit that has ever happened. The Grays - My Story of ET Contact Once you’re feeling up to entering into divine love and bliss with beings who abduct humans without consent, you can move on to the story of maximizing the Holy Spirit through loving the Personification of Evil himself. Here’s the video for that ? How I Experienced Back-to-Back Cessations Through Bhakti & Love (instead of meditating)

@Leo Gura oh fuck. It's the dynamic duo. @EntheogenTruthSeeker dude if you want to warn everyone away from Salvia then why do you feel the need to post about it here....it seems all this post is is an attention getter and you have not awakened from this substance. If it has helped diminish the symptoms of any mental disorders you have had then great..in some fashion then it has brought you closer to Truth...but obviously this is not good for the general public who do not suffer from such disorders...thus why post this at all?

Such a good perspective, our bodies have been evolved preserve the human ego at all cost. Language structures our worldview that is favorable Like I said earlier, it’s total delusion..but absolutely necessary to build a society. There’s wisdom in survival, but also a capacity to transcend. Question is..how far is humanity away from it, and what can we do as an awakened collective to push it forward? Enlightenment is a learning process. It starts with many questions: what I am? What is reality? Etc. you sound like the typical Buddhist or Neo-advaita type. Notice these perspectives our limited and can easily develop into spiritual ego. Understanding the mind is just as important as silencing it. For us humans at least ?

Is this a description of conscience? I don’t think/feel so but something that comes with awakened conscience, objective awareness. To me, it’s a description of objective awareness juxtaposed to that of ordinary waking sleep or consensus reality where the mind just fills in the blank through associations perpetuating it’s habit of creating memories instead recalling what actually happened or a simple admission of not knowing and just being open and spacious, without discursive awareness. Very much so. Drastic transformation doesn’t seem to fit though in trying to describe my experience of it. But from a certain perspective, it could I guess. It’s more like a simplicity of experience occurring accompanied by an inner quiet and familiarity but also consisting of what some might refer to as a subtle but definite virtuous quality of sorts. It’s difficult for me to describe this virtuous quality any better than using Almaas’s wording of “essential aspect”. Essential aspects as in specific qualities of being or presence. Link to glossary page concerning essential aspects https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/essential-aspects

And thus, the newly awakened hamster immediately hops back on the wheel and starts running again... heh! Well well. Been there, done that. Welcome to the club, my friend! Kidding aside, it sounds like you're on a great trajectory.

So there is goodness, only that some initiates in the past, those who did not transcend, they used the high priest's knowledge on their own lucrative shit. Because an awakened human being does not have that desire, only those who almost got it. And i spoked the truth. Namaste

Thoughts from people usually. Or your own baggage information. The only difference from an insane human and an awakened one is only this, the awakened knows and distinguish his/her thoughts from anyone else, etc.

After many years of soaking in this spirituality stuff and what Leo and others teach in general, something is bubbling away beneath the surface. I'll spell it out, it's my unease at nihilism and talk of the void and nothingness and getting rid of the ego. I'll call it zeroism the sake of lumping it altogether. I understand at a tacit level what all this zeroism is about. Quickly: being attached to a something creates suffering, and a something is pure illusion or more accurately it is not at the root of reality. Firstly, suffering is the human condition, there is suffering and all the things associated with it at all levels, great and small, simple and complex. Pushing past suffering is one of the greatest means for actualising yourself. Secondly, there appears to be more to reality than meets the eye, the immediate sensation of a material world with objects and people is not to be trusted - it is a house of cards which can be toppled over and it should be toppled over - so that you can truly be spiritually actualised - enlightened or awakened. Non-dual speak frankly bores me. For every person that says something is occuring, there is someone that says nothing is occuring. I've even argued myself for nothing going on, using logical thought. It's like eating strawberry ice cream and then someone saying "you're wrong there is no strawberry ice cream, there's nothing there". This is just rubbish. I can't vouch for the experiences of others, because I'm not them (yes I am a separate sentient human being), but strawberry ice cream exists. If I go to my local shop and buy it, I can experience it any time I want. And that's my point. Consciousness or whatever this is exists in all its glory, it is here, right here, right now. To deny that existence or argue against it or to say it's anything different to what it is, is utter delusion. There is meaning to reality, there is something, there is movement and colour, there is ice cream - because reality is all of it, it's allowable, it's not illusion, it's not maya, it's not nothingness or whatever. I exist, because I experience myself existing. Stuff is happening because I experience it (I can feel you all cringing now). I can accept that reality is just experiencing itself and that an "I" is unnecessary, but the fact remains that there is an "I" right here at this moment. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of delusion and ignorance but this is to all to do with the content of reality. However, reality itself is not delusion, illusion, nothingness, or anything else. Reality is exactly as it presents itself right now. If reality presents itself differently in ten minutes' time then that is reality. It's really very very simple. Why all the unnecessary misdirection of zeroism? Trying to overcome suffering is really about utility and actualisation. Actualisation is 99% about the content of reality and deconstructing everything, so it is all utility. You're actualising because it serves you. You are the one that wants to get enlightened, telling yourself otherwise is silly. After a while it should become blatantly obvious that everything is constructed in some way: it's made of parts, it has rules, it fits within a greater whole. Most of human drama stems from the inability to extricate itself from its constructions. But the fact remains that constructions are reality, they're not illusions, they are simply things that can be shown to be arbitrary - that being the greatest single realisation to have. Yes the content of reality is completely arbitrary, but it still exists, I'm here to witness it. You get me?

I just had an idea.... I have every basics in meditation, have read about every path to enlightenment that's reputable. Had a few glimpses. And really Incredible awakenings. But I'm not enlightened not liberated and perceive no real definitive progress in the NOW ... I'm basically just a borderline crazy guy wasting his time on this forum and spirituality. I just thought to myself. If I'm serious about enlightenment, why not livestream it, share my path and multiply the intensity of my practice? I thought about doing strong determination sitting live and increasing the duration from day to day until I'm able to sit 24/7. Then (and during my path) ask teachers, to guide me, help me, live streams. QnAs. etc. Intros and outros. I know that a lot of you guys have blogs and yt channels I'm gonna be the first case study of some regular dude reaching enlightenment. Written stories about people finding enlightenment started 4000years ago. Livestreaming "progress" might be the next step to awaken the world. Maybe I'm just stupid, but I wanted to write down that idea, to see what you guys think about it? Also, just for fun I'm gonna shave my head and beard for the first livestream and let it grow for years, so the more awakened I get, the more my hair will grow. (Just for the memes). I'm not gonna be able to let go of the path, so why not make it fun and share it with people?

No one here seems to mention Ajahn Brahm, but I think he is probably one of the most awakened and embodied humans alive, may this video help

There are some awakened host in coffee shop.

@Goldzilla I agree in a roundabout way. The Teaching I informally follow places a good deal of importance on the belly center to be vitally connected with embodiment. @Zion If these excerpts have any appeal You might find the YouTube about Karlfried Graf Durkheim interesting. Distinguishing Physical Sensation from Essential Substance The capacity to sense oneself must become so refined that the individual can discriminate between physical sensation and the sensation of essential substance. It is not enough that the mind be quiet. It is also necessary for the body to be sensitive. The mind can be quiet while the body is deadened. The body has to be awakened so that the center of sensing, the belly center, can be activated. The belly center, or what Gurdjieff called the physical center, is the center of sensing for all parts of the body. Its deepest function is the subtle sensing, the sensing of essential presence, that the Sufis call the organ for touch. Touch is, in a sense, the most intimate of the physical senses. The skin must be directly against an object to touch it. There is no intermediary medium, like sound for hearing or light for seeing. So this subtle capacity is a very intimate one. Accurately speaking, it is sensing essence by being essence. It is the most direct way of perception. This capacity of touch, connected with the belly center, is very intimately connected with the embodiment of essence. It is the body center; its mode of perception is embodiment. Here, perception as touch, and being, are the same act. So this capacity is the most important one. Essence with the Elixir of Enlightenment, pg. 130 Functioning of the Essential Self in the Belly Center Yes, usually the belly center has to do with embodiment, with the capacity to sense oneself. However, the belly center is also the will center. In a sense, the ultimate function of the will is to surrender to what happens, surrender to the now. And surrender to the now means not to hold on to something. The true function of the will is complete surrender to what’s happening without holding on. That is will. The essential self, like all essential aspects, can function in any of the subtle centers. When one is being the essential self its location is usually the heart center. However, when the essential self is functioning in relation to identifying or disidentifying from any content of experience, it becomes associated with the belly center. The essential self is more like a potential for experience, and it also manifests as a capacity for identification. One of the results of that capacity for identification is embodiment. Embodying something means you are identified with what’s happening. An essential state is present. You are embodying it if you are it. The true self has the capacity to identify with something you are experiencing, but it doesn’t have to. It has a choice; it has the freedom. Diamond Heart Book Three, pg. 79 From https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/belly-center

Leo gura, the teacher who has awakened more people in history. and it's just beginning

There is cause and effect. And reality in this planet, those whom disbalance life, they will pay for it, never doubt that. "God" has every detail. And the unawakened is just driven by karma, that is the reality, no matter how much you conceptualize that karma does not exist, only the awakened, the divine, the initiate, the "god", has the power to change reality. The other mass folk they just dream and rage, this is the reality, they can't control shit! Even if they know magic for decades, they are no match to those who awakened the Limbic system and know how to use it.

There are two states. Awakened and the rest. How many awakend people on the planet? I say three or four, that I know of. How many claiming to be awakend, because the experience higher states of consciousness, and emanate Shakti. I say thousands.

It'll always have a special place in my heart, because it awakened me to the mysterious beauty that underlies all of life when I was in my early twenties and feeling rather lost in life. It touched me profoundly

That is a common mistake people make when listening to what I say. The goal is never to out-do anyone. The goal is simply to become as deeply conscious of reality as possible. By flattening awakening, you make it impossible for yourself to reach the highest degrees of consciousness. Which is the saddest thing in the world. If you manage to convince yourself that consciousness is flat, you will forever lock yourself out from the highest self-understanding. I know of many awakened people who have such a shallow consciousness of reality. And they will never move any deeper because they believe that they are done. Most awakened people are like those who have lit a candle. And I am telling you to fly into the sun.

The thing is in Leo latest video he talks about conciousness being self illuminating - the way he describes it, is literally the exact terminology that Daniel Ingram and frank yang have both used. Literally the exact same way of describing reality when awakened, this self luminating quality. It just becomes a pissing contest. The goal isn’t consensus or to understand each other, it’s to try to be more awake then the other person and to not concede anything linguistically, makes no sense