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I think I mean Actualized.org as guidance for the spiritual practices. So you say that I am overthinking way too much as a spiritual devil and that I should go back to normal life. I have 2 problems with that: 1st, I have an objection about me overthinking the maze of life. There was this solipsism video that Leo deleted. What does this have to do with the maze of life? Well, I subscribed to Actualized.org and I still didn't see the solipsism video that could have awakened me even though I could have sworn I check my subscriptions regularly. Life would no longer be a maze if I can just watch some solipsism video to awaken and THAT is the intelligence of the maze since I didn't get to see it. There is at least one problem with this idea that supports you in your favor with me overthinking this: Other people watched the solipsism video and awakened while it was still available. This is not an objection to me having to take a break but to me overthinking since it's the explanation I have with making the video practical. Also, lacking a routine can be part of the maze because I am so lost. It could be because of lack of concentration due to heavy metals which are almost impossible to avoid and I think I am noticing symptoms of it. I can come up with more examples I have noticed but I want to move on to your next point: I agree that I need to forget everything spiritual, I need to forget that Leo lives a happier life and the solipsism video he deleted. There is at least one problem with this: How do I forget about spirituality if my life feels empty? This emptiness is simply preventing me from living life how it normally was. That's probably how I started using Actualized.org in the first place. I think that the emptiness came before Actualized.org which means it is not the cause for emptiness or maybe it is causing more of it. I can't really fully explain it to you, but something happened even before me using Actualized.org if I remember correctly that caused emptiness to occur and I simply don't know how to forget about spirituality.

Only you can verify that insight. Honestly, trying to grasp something this deep with words alone is like trying to pin jelly to a wall. You've probably got about as far as you can with words. Maybe it's time for more practical methods. To those who claim to have awakened just by thinking about it... not possible. A description of a piece of music is not the music itself. If you had never heard music in your life, you could still deceive yourself that you understood music. But you would not have awoken to the reality of music. Your understanding of it would be academic, pale and lifeless. So it is with awakening. It must be lived. It cannot simply be deduced.

All spiritual teachers (including Leo) seem to insist that the Absolute Truth cannot be accurately put into words without distorting or perverting it. Given everything that Leo has taught so far, how close can someone with a purely intellectual understanding of his teachings get to the Truth? (Basically, if it's just a religion or belief to them, but they have not become enlightened or awakened themselves.) I feel like at least a few people here know all the right intellectual answers. They can give responses that give the impression that they've had direct experience of enlightenment. How close can these people get to enlightenment from a purely intellectual place? Are they 99% of the way there with just a minor click into place needed, 1% of the way there, or always infinitely far off? I feel like I have a very accurate conceptual understanding of enlightenment. It feels very close to the truth, maybe just not tangible yet. But I know I must still be a ways off. Because while the truth is a bit of a mindfuck even from a purely intellectual level, it sounds like the realization still isnt nearly profound enough to be the full truth. I can be left questioning everything, but I'm not truly shaken to my core by this truth, left suicidal or not sure what is real or not real. There is no real shift in perspective when it's just theory. I feel like I'm just a click away. Like I just need a minor spiritual chiropractic alignment for everything to snap into place and make it all real. But maybe it's more like I'm standing across the Grand Canyon from an unreachable goal, waiting for God (ultimately myself) to airlift me across when it feels ready and not a second before.

@softlyblossoming Well, since you took the time to rephrase it to ask I can say the short answer is... yes. The longer answer is it isn't something to be done in 'each' moment as if the present moment is a bunch of individual moments strung together. The mind will try to 'taskify' our being present as 'doing not doing' that it has to keep doing to accomplish the 'not doing'. Seeking answers to questions, gaining knowledge, understanding or finding truth becomes a task that the mind will use to distract from being awareness. These are used by the mind to fill a void, an existential yearning which creates so much self suffering instead of it's cessation. Even meditating gets taskified by the mind as a practice to do, set aside time to do it, and 'oh I haven't done my meditating yet so I better do that or I won't get the thing done I'm seeking to do'. Abiding in being awareness is presence in the now and is effortless, seamless and timeless. We may 'practice' meditation at first to help us become awakened to our awareness so we can view the activity of the mind and not be consumed by it. Although, ultimately to be in 'abidance' without efforting to be present will transcend any activity the monkey mind creates. So, to be clear, there will be activity in the mind even though we are abiding in awareness. All sorts of thoughts, emotions, inner dialog, impulses and urges will spring from our subconscious mind. Not to get distracted and attached to them as our identity will cease self suffering. Eventually, abiding in awareness will inform the mind to be attentive to awareness as well so the activity of the mind will reflect that presence of being. It's rare to happen instantaneously, most often it happens gradually like a flower softly blossoming.. :). I would encourage everyone to be aware that any work we may be doing as 'spirituality' or 'self actualization' or however one wants to call it isn't allowing being awareness to happen, it just happens. All that work does is discipline the mind so it's not a distraction to being awareness. Though, the common issue is the work that is supposed to cultivate the mind to be less of a distraction to us abiding in awareness serves as one of the largest distraction to being presence. We become so focused on the path we get lost on the journey. So, yea... there's the short answer and the long one. haha

Enlightenment is all about raising our vibration to a positive state of being, it is not about thinking or concepts, it is about concepts and thinking coming from the vibration that is raised, the state of being that is in alignment with who you really are, aka love, peace, ecstacy, flow, ease, wellness. A thinking mind can never become enlightened, only a quiet mind can become enlightened, because only a quiet mind can become one with the love, the ease, the peace, the wellness, that is who it really is. Thinking from fear or worry or anger or trying to understand, or any shit like that, will never wake me up. It is not the information or the thought or the perception, it is the vibrational frequency from which the information or the thought is coming from. A noisy and distressed mind can never understand what really is going on. It can never become awakened.

Essentially there is only a SINGLE SPIRIT in existence to which Sufism refers as “The Great Spirit”. Everything in the universe is created from this Great Spirit. The Great Spirit, or in modern terms the power within the essence of existence or the First Reflection of Allah! Abu Hurairah (ra) in the Muslim book of Hadith narrates from the Rasul of Allah (saw): “Allah says: Man curses time yet I am time, for in my hand are night and day.” And, “Allah said: The son of Adam abuses me. He curses time yet I am time, for I turn the night into day.” The word “dahr” (time) in Arabic means “instant”. It should not be construed as the linear concept of earthly time to which we have been conditioned. According to us one day equals the time it takes the Earth to rotate once around itself, one year equals the time it takes the Earth to rotate around the Sun, i.e. 365 days, and a century is 100 rotations around the sun hence 100 years. All of this is “relative” time. It is according to us earthlings. In reality there is only ONE time. Pre-eternity and post-eternity, in the sight of Allah, is a single “instant” (dahr). Relative time is an illusion we have collectively come to accept. It changes according to the speed and plane, i.e. the dimension in which we live. As one moves from being less matter to more consciousness and spirit, the experience of relative time also changes and becomes more expansive. Essentially the word “dahr” refers to the universal energy that composes existence, that is, the attribute of divine power. It is an unfathomable concept for one who is conditioned to the daily linear concept of time. This is why the Quran narrates many of the “future” events as things that have already transpired using past tense to explain them. For pre and post eternity is a single existence in the sight of divine observation or the ‘Knowledge of Allah’. This is the intimates of the reality have claimed: “Essentially there is only one reflection. It is the Single Reflection (Tajalli-i Wahid). There has never been a second reflection.” The whole of existence is only one single reflection, referred in Sufism as the ‘One Theophany’ or the Divine Self-disclosure of Allah (Tajalli Wahid). There has never been a second reflection thereon. Everything that is seen, felt, perceived, imagined and experienced is a depiction of this Single Reflection. Sufism also refers to this as the “constant instant”. Though for the truly enlightened and awakened ones this “constant instant” is quintessentially an “imagined instant” and is no other than the Knowledge of Allah. The entire existence in the sight of Allah is nothing other than a principle of knowledge. That is, the universe doesn’t even have an actual existence in the sight of Allah. This is why the Sufis have frequently claimed, “The worlds are only a dream”! To discern this is to become familiar with this reality. And that my friend, is entirely a matter of experience and joy. Only one who is passionate and dedicated enough may eventually be given the insight to perceive the inner depths of this reality through the activation of ilm-i ladun (manifestation of a special angelic force from His grace) by Divine Grace. So, in respect to its essence there is really only a single dimension of time in the universe. For those who can perceive! Within this single frame of time, countless dimensions have ‘materialized’ through divine order, spawning innumerous forms of existence. There is also a general misconception that I would like to correct. Due to misconstruing the fact that “all forms of existence exist in the Knowledge of Allah” some claim “knowledge is subject to the known.” That is, because all known existence was in the pre-eternal knowledge of Allah and Allah knew what they were capable of doing He determined their fates according to their known capacity. This fiction has been fabricated to endorse the fact that Allah does not do wrong by His servants, He does not oppress or torment, He simply does as their pre-eternal states necessitate. Hence Allah does not cast anyone to hell by force.

That would be the only accurate view, also. No matter how "awakened" a person is, once the person is gone (which is necessary in total ego dissolution of course) what is left is completely identical to everyone and everything else. Anyone hoping that they will do a bunch of "spiritual" shit in this life and somehow receive a reward upon their death for doing so, is sorely mistaken indeed. Lmao. The #1 takeaway for me was always that. And that I am no more important than a single grain of sand, and also no less important than an entire Solar System.

“Now the war is won…. How come nothing tastes good?” -Arcadefire I have a vengeful shadow self which is separate from my normal state of consciousness that is VERY toxic. It’s vengeful, manipulative…. Very hard to work with when I get triggered. But, it’s part of the shadow work. Learning to see these negative aspects of ourselves with love and compassion is very important. A lot of us carry a deep anger, an ego, a fighter in us. We need to learn to love it but also see it’s an illusion. There is rarely a need to get even or anything to fight. A strong awakened person does not get bothered but the sleepiness of others. Pema Chodron has a good book… think it’s called “Peace in Times of War” or something. Very good, short and sweet (like 70 pages)

I think Leo was being very fair in the situation. I've only recently joined but I read the thread about him getting demoted and the PM screenshot. He was given a more than fair warning and chance to change but didn't seem to be listening to Leo's perspective at all. I don't doubt he's right with his answers but his posts highlighted would do little to help whoever is reading them for the majority of people on here, and he could even have been doing more harm than good. He might be a very wise and awakened person but his Spiral Wizardly game is/was very poor. I hope he's ok, seems like he was a very well loved person on here and that he eventually understood why he was demoted. A lot of people think this. I'd suggest researching what a cult is and how they work so you can answer this for yourself, including Leo's videos on them (I think one is about cult psychology and the other directly addressing Actualized.org being a cult or not).

Goals: Practicing yoga every single day. Full time yoga teacher. Building a 6 figure income through teaching yoga. Highly proficient Mandarin Chinese fluency. 10,000+ word vocabulary. Radiant health and strength. Be a multi millionaire. Buying a house. Buying a Tesla. Realizing God. Self-Actualizing. Happiness. Bliss. Peace. Calm. Joy. Attracting my Dream girlfriend and high quality intimate relationship. Starting a concious awakened family in 10 or so years from now.

I had an awesome magic truffles trip a few days ago. I didn’t have any awakening but it was really fun. I felt as light as a Disney character and I also became aware of many of my egoistic ways I behaved in and I also sorted many of my priorities in life. Next days evening I felt incredible. I was completely sober but I was in such a state of peace and acceptance it was just incredible. Unfortunately I didn’t have any psychedelics stored left because I could have taken a mega dose of something without much of a chance of a bad trip. Two days later I still felt good but not as good. And now the third day later in the morning I feel pretty good. Not as good but still pretty good and because I feel that my ego tries to bring me back to my default state I want to write down how I feel about awakening right now so I can maybe get back to this state more easily. And I also just feel like sharing this. Most of my reasons why I want to awaken are probably trivial for you. There are even trivial for me but this is the first time I actually came up with these points on my own and I really believe them and don’t just accept them from someone else. I feel like one of the greatest joys in life is doing something for its own sake and for absolutely no reason at all. For example I love working out in the gym. My ego destroys the joy of the workout though. When I bench press it wants to compare the weight I lifted today with my best lift I had on that exercise. It wants to compare me with other people. And it always wants a plan. Just going to the gym and "hitting it“ doesn’t seem purposeful and planned enough. “I can’t just go to the gym and do 3 exercises that’s to little, or I can’t do 12 exercises that’s to much. And you should now why you are training and what you are training for.“ At the end of a recent workout I was just peacefully training abductor when my ego stepped in "Hey you know that your quads look like shit why don’t you put more emphasis on them“ and “Hey why do you train at all? Of course you should but also what is the point in it anyways this won’t make your life any more successful…“ -> I just don’t want my ego shit anymore. I just want to train with absolutely no goal and be happy. Of course this gym example is analogous to all other aspects of life. I sometimes play video games and what always ruins it for me is my ego. When I start to play a game again that I haven’t played for a long time I have pretty much no expectations on myself so everything feels great. But after a day or two I see that my skill comes back and I expect more of myself and all the fun is gone. Every time I die I get a bit angry or annoyed when before I just laughed. Yesterday I played 1v1 deathmatch to 20. I went up against a really good player and I lost with a score of 13 to 20 or something. I didn’t even win but just the fact that I was somewhat compedetive gave my ego a new identity. I was conscious of that and wanted to intervene but I couldn’t stop it. I almost wished that I lost against that player with a bigger score difference so I could have more fun after that but doing good is also what I strive for and is the fun of the game but once I archieve it it isn’t fun anymore because I feel like I am forced to maintain it so it’s really hard to have fun. -> I just want the pure experience and not an ego that fucks it up all the time For a short time I was in a state of love where I really just wanted to love everybody for exactly what they are and not what I wanted them to be. I thought about my mom with all her self-pity and I just wanted to love her tell her jokes and vibe with her without any motivation of changing her because that’s just where she is at the moment and that’s okay. I saw a group of teenage girls who seemed to be completely soaked into their group identity. And I just wanted to love these materialistic unconscious teenage girls exactly for what they are without any motivation to change them in any way because a saw how being undeveloped is exactly as beautiful as being very developed. And I saw my friends who are all very obviously not ready to awaken and I just wanted to love them for exactly where they are without any motivation to change them into more conscious people. I had all of this spiritual and philosophical ideas that I always felt like I needed to implant in them but it’s just so much more joyful to not try to change them in any way. I also just felt how good it must feel to just help others with no intention of a return. To just love other people so much that you are just motivated to waste your entire evening on helping them with something and feeling completely full of joy just from seeing them be happy. I saw that I feel very limited in doing that because of my ego. Because my ego has its own worries and own things that it wants to archieve and it prioritizes these things way beyond the well being of others. And it also judges and wants to change people in its own interest and of course in this way you don’t really help people you help people the most by just loving them. -> I just want to drop my ego so that I can love people for exactly who they are I also just see the pain of having to have an identity. Constantly trying to defend this identity. Constructing and deconstructing it but most of all just having it just feels like a sickness. "I just want to have a family or don’t have a family.“ „I just want to play video games or don’t play video games“, “I just want to have a simple job or don’t have a simple job“. "I just want to have a nice apartment or don’t want to have a nice apartment.“ -> I don’t want to care anymore. I just want to be fine with everything. The only really strong attachment I have left is sexual pleasure. It makes up around 10-15% of my thoughts so it’s not like it dominates my life and I could drop it if need be but I wouldn’t like to. I have a question left. There are many layers of awakening like ego transcendence, god realization, realization that you are god, infinite love, infinity, … So I am always confused to what people mean when they say awakening. I feel like ego transcendence is equal to awakening for many spiritual teacher but I think for Leo a fully awakened person also has to realize himself as god and so I am always a bit confused when somebody says that awakening takes x amount of time because I don’t know which layer of awakening they are talking about. Sometimes Leo says that having an awakening is relatively easy but what is really hard is to embody and accept these truths which I feel like is the easy part for me. On others occasions he is like “you probably need at least like 20 years of active self inquiry to have a shot at becoming awake. So I would stick to psychedelics“. So what does he mean or does he refer to different states of awakening?

I think this relates to the idea of the all-knowing, omnipresent God -- like the Christian idea where God can see/watch/hear you at all times and knows what you are doing and thinking. Like where when people pray to God, they think they are talking to the God. Well, lets say that the next level dreamer is the all knowing God but the God is also dreaming that he is Person A and he is also dreaming as Person A that he is the daydream imaginary character; in the meantime, God is also dreaming that he is Person B and as Person B he is dreaming some other dream too. SOOO, I can see that maybe that is what the Christian mystics meant and it got lost in translation as a separate person when really God is all knowing and all the dreams but also all the characters. That makes more sense to me. So when people say, you can't be fully awakened until you die, (wake up), that is because the Person A dream character doesn't get to experience being God because that is not how his dream is going. Then, the idea of going to Heaven is that when you die, you get to be with God because you are God. Then the idea of going to Hell - uhhh - I guess I don't really think there is a hell. So the idea that we all get to be with eachother when we die works because we are all God, we are all the same character, we just don't realize it. So when people have near death experiences - - maybe that was like being with God. Ahhh I don't know.

@Gili Trawangan okay,but is charity/helping others meaningless or not? Am i actually reducing suffering when i help someone? Or am i just imagining that im reducing suffering to make this dream more immersive? For example- in my night dreams i might dream up im a superhero who prevents someone from being hurt by a villian.but when i wake up i realize i was never a hero and there was never anybody who was at the risk of being hurt. Isnt that exactly whats happening now? If not do you mind telling me whats actually going on? Btw-i have awakened to the fact that we are all one.(similar to rupert spira i think). We are all dream characters in gods(our) mind. What i havent awakened to is the fact that others do not have any thoughts experiences or feelings and that im imagining others have thoughts experiences feelings to make this dream more immersive and deceptive.this is something i heard from leo in his recent solipsism video. Have i misinterpreted what he was tryinh to communicate? If so can you tell me how? Btw if you have watched leos solipsism video he says others do not suffer exactly at 2hrs 4mins and 30 secs in

Hello everyone, it's been a long time since I last visited actualized.org. I've got a true story of awakening curing a mental illness that I want to share with you guys. My cousin got an awakening that cured his mental illness But before I get into that, I think I get to say awakening is probably ( I'm not sure) not good in this case. I have a cousin that I really love. His mother and I recognized from his childhood that he had the potential to become a good actor but he unluckily inherited a mental illness from his father . He's been suffering from his childhood, worse by time. He's been lying unneccessarily just to enjoy himself by talking nonsense, causing trouble and all kinds of stuff, not working to earn money. He lived an unhealthy life, being impatient like an animal, wasting his money like a rich kid while in reality his family is poor, though he never got into heroin or cigarrette or any drug of the sort. People could still communicate with him. If you just talk with him 2-3 times you would not realize he got a mental illness. You would even probably think he's an interesting guy. He never admitted ( probably even to himself) that he was an insane man even though his parents told me 1 female doctor have told him directly. About three years ago, he self-harmed himself by cutting his left hand (below the arm but above the palm) and therefore that led to a lot of scars on his hand. He sadly said he just wanted to bleed to death. What a stupid action and I heard it. How could small injuries lead to death by bleeding, ceartainly the body would heal them. It only resulted in him looking ugliness. His hand is now like a tree, not a human's hand. I told him to try meditation. And in 2021 Oct he somehow got awakened. He finally admitted he was insane his whole life. Now he's got a more healthy life, really healthy. However, after his mental illness was cured, he became very sad for having remembered he himself created all those scars on his hand. Prior to this, he never cared about those scars. He's got a temporary job now but always worried the boss would fire him if they know about those scars. Only heroin addicts would self-harm themselves but in fact he NEVER did drugs. He's still meditating now but honestly in this case, I feel that it would have been better if he just committed suicide because he himself because he tells me to him living is just like a dragging to grave. There's zero chance he can become an actor when he has those scars and he's facing the possibility of being fired if the boss saw those scars. He's got zero work experience. So, is awakening from a mental illness really good? I have reverence for life but honestly I think the people who have mental illness and ALREADY self-harmed themselves like my cousin should receive euthanasia. Having realized you yourself self-harmed and destroyed your life is more detrimental than anything. Surprisingly, my cousin forgives his father for passing insane genes on him. He's told me an insane person does not know he's insane. Only healthy people can recognize insanity in mad people. Therefore, he instead hates his mother more for having married a madman.

@Leo Gura but surely learning from an awakened teacher will help lead to awakening. What are your suggestions for awakening without the teachings of an awakened teacher? Genuine question.

@Giulio Bevilacqua this sounds like an anxiety disorder. Talk to a psychiatrist and maybe get on some meds for anxiety. When the anxiety goes away the kundalini energy you awakened will come under control and be blissful not a nightmare. When you start feeling better you can get off the meds. The meds don't have to be a life long thing but for the time being it can definitely help alleviate anxiety that is out of control so you can have a productive life.

But I would like to become awakened in my own time, not being forced into it, I don't believe that works. I don't really see anything good in this whole Great Reset agenda.

I have directly validated every facet of awakening that Leo has had. These are not beliefs. I actually had several before him and before he began teaching them here. Namely the awakening in which you are in an expanded state of consciousness and you become conscious thst everything is your own mind. And I still have the PM where I told Leo about it. A few weeks later he had the same awakening and began teaching it more extensively. These are not beliefs. Don't take them as beliefs either of course. They can be validated. Yes we use language as pointers to talk about God..but it doesn't mean the finger is the moon. Thought should never be demonized. Egoic thought can be deception and illusion but it is still through Mind that we realize Mind. Nahm was not teaching God realization..I don't know why. Maybe he wasn't awakened. I don't wanna speculate and it's irrelevant..but he was not teaching that. He was teaching no self and that was it. The road is over there is no one to wake up. God is a thought. This is wrong.. awakening goes beyond no self although thst Is a massive awakening. His teachings didn't go far enough and were actually a perversion of the Truth in a way.. and towards the end he just became a madman actually.

I am familiar with both of these individuals before this situation developed and have some interesting perspective to share about this. For one thing and the most important in my mind is that the online social media world as well as the gaming world there is a definite need for a path to well being. Millions even tens of millions of people and content creators are spreading misery through a cycle of abuse all over the internet....well, not just the internet. I could expand it to hundreds of millions and yes billions of people empowering the cycle of abuse in real life all over the world. Mental health care in the US is very expensive and has a stigma attached to it, I'm not sure how much different that is in other countries because I don't have personal experience with the health care systems there regarding mental health. Although, I suspect the stigma associated with seeking therapy of any sort isn't limited to North America so people are reluctant to seek it out and this isn't leading to an improvement in people's mental health or well being. I don't want to give too many opinions about the clash of content creators in the circumstance but it doesn't seem like DrK was intentionally malicious towards anyone even if there were some breaches of ethics or conflicts around profit motives, he genuinely wanted to help even if he made mistakes. It's not up to me to decide whether he did something to violate his oath but I don't accept as truth the opinions of others who have nothing to lose either. On the other hand I don't get a similar impression from the other party in this situation. Contrary with them professing a purpose of increasing empathy for others their actions speak to a different source of motivation at least on how it effects those that consume their content. I cannot discern someone's intent I can only witness their behavior and how if influences others but that is what we are left with from their actions, not their intentions. There is also something very saddening about the tragic loss of a content creator. Even though he had a traumatic experience with the mental health profession he still reached out wanting to heal the self suffering he was experiencing but unfortunately it wasn't sufficient enough to ease the pain and save him from himself. I don't think it helps anyone in trying to use him as a weapon or a shield, just let it be. There is also something kind of curious in a statement I saw him make in one video I watched even though I can't remember which one it was and I can't recite it verbatim only give a synapses of his message. Reckful said he felt like there was nothing left to do here, like he was in some video game, that he needed to move on to the next level and the only way to do it might be to die. I absolutely knew exactly where he was since I have been living it for decades. Now don't get the wrong idea, I'm not suicidal at all, in fact it's the complete opposite. When I realized I was 'done' here I was young living life on the edge and didn't expect to survive my 20s, I thought I was in overtime so to speak. I was awakened and transcended identity, so think about how many speak about life here, too. There's a similar theme, no? I think many of us know exactly where he was in consciousness because we have had glimpses of it or are there. He was using psychedelics not just hero dose quests but also in daily microdose scenarios. So he was transcending identity and experiencing no self awareness but wasn't getting the feedback from the people around him to put all the pieces together and have a healthy context for what he was perceiving. He was left to his own monkey mind's machinations and history of self suffering to sort out his path and what happened, did. This doesn't mean the psychobabble people go in circles with on this forum would have been any better but there is wisdom that would have been useful to him. I'm not going to turn this into a criticism of people on this forum or anywhere in the spiritual and mystical community but you people are lost and distracted from the mental navel gazing that goes on with all the complicated conceptualizations that people fixate on. I just wonder what might have been if he got some input from people who have experience in the abstract conscious states and had the well meaning approach to bring about healing and well being. I guess we will never know but this whole drama whoring content farming circus performance just reminds me that this isn't going to get any better any sooner unless there is a dramatic shift in people so they seek well being for themselves.

I don't feel that he is fully awakened, but I do think that he is 'very' awake. In some of his videos, like the solipsism blog video, he drops himself for a while to show his eyes, and if you look at them, you can see the energies and wisdom that he has collected - it's hard to describe, but it's like a tiger or wolf look that awakened people can get, but the eyes are shiner, more detached. One of my fave teachers; I read from her works - she, well, she has deep eyes like that, too, that transfer how awake she is - and she still has some ego stuff that I can see when I watch her interviews and read her works, but you can tell she has seen some stuff and has gotten very far in her journey - and that's what I see in him.

I would consider it mature and silly if a deeply awakened person owned 3 homes and 5 cars. I would not do that myself. But in the end if some awakened dude wants 5 sports cars, it's not gonna change the fact that he's awake. Maybe he like to collect cars because he thinks they are beautiful works of art, or whatever. Obviously it could also just be remnant vanity. You can define yours terms however you want, but when I speak of awakening I'm speaking of a very specific sort of shift in consciousness. I am not speaking of some general path of spiritual evolution or growth. Awakening happens within seconds or minutes as your consciousness expands into a new state. It does not take years. So I would distinguish an awakening vs a path of gradual spiritual development and growth. You can have one without the other, or both. I don't agree that there is such a thing as collective awakening at all. There is only YOUR awakening. You can speak figuratively of mankind's awakening, but this is not at all the same as individual awakening that I talk about. This is a very dangerous assumption. I would not believe in something so naive. Dealing effectively with collectives is a deep skill set which requires specific experience and training. You can experience a visceral sense of collective as self, but this will not automatically give you great social skills or the systems thinking necessary to deal well with collective issues. Collectives also always mean politics, and navigating politics is a deep skill too. Awakening will not make you a great politician automatically.

What does it mean to be fully awake? what does it look like? I am open that Leo is fully awake. and I don't think what he is saying disagrees with tradition either. Like when he says everything is imaginary, or it's God's imagination, that's really no different than saying everything is creation or God's creation. But comparing Leo to other teachers is a thought activity -part of the imagination/creation- and not wakefulness. It's likely to me that many individuals throughout history were awake and their creation unfolded differently due to their wakefulness. I still don't think it's useful to say forget the teachers because the teachers were created by you so that you could awaken and live a good dream. I still think Jesus Christ was an awakened Son of God, but Leo is saying, what good is it to know that, since its a thought and its imaginary. - waking up is recognizing, I created Jesus within my mind, which is not a bad thing lol.

@kray I highly doubt Leo would say he is fully awakened, within the form Leo. You could make some argument about the truest self-being the Tat, Brahma, God, etc., hence being fully awake (I am sooooo tired of this point being made). IMO there comes a point in the journey when you become comfortable with where you are in the grand show. First we don't know there is a show, then we want to know, we belive we can know everything (fully awaken), then we come to a point where we realize we are IT but currently holding down an aspect of IT and not the fully engaged in the magnitude of IT consciously. We become ok with this as we awaken to the nature of what is. You have to praise, glorify, and seek the concept of fully awakened until you awaken to a degree of knowledge that satiates that impulse. Journey strong..

@happyhappy Realizing all that stuff too quickly isn’t necessary I good thing it hit me hard, I’m kind of young for this work I’m only 21, I was very suicidal and depressed and basically In my head it was Either kill myself or awaken, Like I said it happened within a year and in that year I had to let go of basically everything and everyone, when I had my first awakening it hit me so hard I thought I lost my mind and I started having outrageous ego backlashes and I started hearing voices and insane thoughts, I told the people around me what I have awakened to and told them about my ego backlashes they actually sent me to a mental hospital for 2 days so I quickly learned to keep it to myself and try to stay more grounded around people, It was the most dangerous time of my life and I am from Iraq I have been in dangerous situations but this is on a whole different level and it’s because of how fast I went through it so yea I wouldn’t want others to realize it as quickly as I did

Not really what my post implied but whatever. Do I really have to state the obvious? The point is that many people here overestimate respectable teacher's SD stage just because they're awakened. Edit: idk if my first post about was misunderstood because of my English (I'm not from an English speaking country), but since I've clarified it here a second time already it should now be obvious.