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The original rebuttal made a series of systematic, well-sourced arguments: that the portrayal of Palestinians as uniquely brainwashed is unsupported by comparative studies of Israeli and Palestinian education; that Israel’s conduct in Gaza violates international law; that “eliminating Hamas” is both strategically ineffective and morally disastrous; and that Israeli policy has long benefitted from Hamas’s continued existence. None of these arguments are addressed. Instead, the speaker offers a single, emotionally charged anecdote about a failed suicide bomber who received medical care in Israel and later attempted to carry out an attack. While the story of Wafa al-Bass is undeniably tragic and complex, the attempt to use it as a blanket indictment of Palestinian society is an egregious misuse of anecdote as argument. It’s a transparent attempt to derail a conversation about war crimes and systemic injustice by pointing to an individual act of violence—while ignoring the far broader, state-sanctioned violence occurring in parallel. This one-sided invocation of Palestinian extremism becomes even more hypocritical when set against Israel’s ongoing support for settler violence, which the speaker wholly ignores. If the goal is to discuss moral degradation, incitement, and the glorification of violence, then the conversation must include the 2015 Duma arson attack, in which Israeli settlers firebombed a Palestinian home, killing an 18-month-old baby, Ali Dawabsheh, and fatally wounding his parents. The response among segments of Israeli society was not universal condemnation. In fact, video footage later emerged of far-right Israelis at a wedding celebrating the attack—waving guns and stabbing a photo of the murdered toddler. This was not an isolated incident. Human rights organizations, including B’Tselem and Yesh Din, have extensively documented how the Israeli military routinely fails to prevent settler violence against Palestinians—and, in many cases, enables it. In 2023 and 2024 alone, there was a surge in settler pogroms in the West Bank, with masked men attacking villages, torching homes, and shooting civilians while Israeli forces either stood by or actively participated. The U.S. State Department, the EU, and even former Israeli security officials have acknowledged the increase in settler terrorism, often perpetrated with impunity and ideological encouragement from members of Israel’s ruling coalition. So when someone points to one horrific example of a Palestinian attempting to blow herself up and says, “this shows you what kind of people they are,” but simultaneously ignores decades of systematic Israeli settler violence, the double standard becomes indefensible. It is not moral clarity; it is selective outrage. It dehumanizes one side while sanitizing the other. The speaker’s reply is laced with violent imagery: “inserting a katana,” “burn alive your daughters,” “restart Gaza,” “infection.” This language is not just morally grotesque—it mirrors the very rhetoric they claim to oppose. Describing a population as an “infection” that needs to be “cleaned” echoes genocidal frameworks used throughout history to justify ethnic cleansing. It is disturbingly close to the language used by extremists on both sides, who devalue human life in pursuit of ideological purity. What the speaker fails to grasp—or intentionally ignores—is that violent extremism exists on both sides of the conflict, and both societies have elements that glorify it. If one is to condemn Wafa al-Bass (as one should), consistency demands equal condemnation of Israeli youth raised to sing genocidal songs at far-right marches, or settlers who believe it is divinely mandated to burn Palestinians alive. The celebration of murder at the so-called “wedding of hate” is not a fringe moment—it is a symptom of a society with its own incitement problem. The Israeli government has repeatedly failed to prosecute such acts seriously. In fact, members of Israel’s current far-right coalition have publicly defended, funded, or incited settler violence. Bezalel Smotrich, Israel’s finance minister, once said the Palestinian village of Huwara “should be wiped out.” When someone condemns Palestinian violence as evidence of a failed society, while refusing to acknowledge the mirror image within their own favored side, it reflects a failure of intellectual honesty. The speaker clearly lacks any commitment to principled consistency. They cherry-pick data, rely on emotional appeals, and ignore systemic patterns that complicate their binary worldview. Moreover, the refusal to engage with well-documented critiques—like Israel’s role in perpetuating Hamas, or its deliberate use of starvation as a weapon—shows a mind more interested in vindication than in truth. That’s not serious geopolitical thinking. It’s reactionary posturing wrapped in a flag. The speaker’s reply is a textbook case of moral hypocrisy and ideological capture. They ignore every serious critique raised in the rebuttal, replace data with a single anecdote, use dehumanizing language to justify mass violence, and remain silent on the mountain of evidence documenting Israeli extremism and settler terrorism. If they believe that the story of Wafa al-Bass proves Palestinians are inherently violent, what do they think the Duma firebombing says about Israelis? Why do they ignore Israeli schools where Arabs are described as “snakes” or “demons”? Why do they not cite the countless acts of brutality committed by settlers, often with state backing? The speaker’s refusal to engage with specific, well-documented criticisms — and their lunge toward anecdotal sensationalism and grotesque metaphor — is not an accident. It’s a defense mechanism. When confronted with evidence that threatens the brittle scaffolding of their worldview, they don’t reevaluate their assumptions; they retreat into moral absolutism, cherry-picked horror stories, and emotional spectacle. This isn’t moral clarity — it’s intellectual cowardice dressed up as conviction. Let’s call it what it is: a desperate, almost pitiful, attempt to protect a dogma too fragile to survive scrutiny. They avoid addressing specific points — like Israel’s documented war crimes, the systemic violence of its settler population, or the cynical political calculus behind propping up Hamas — not because they haven’t seen the evidence, but because engaging with it would force them to confront the reality that their moral narrative is soaked in hypocrisy. So instead, they lash out. They spew graphic, violent hypotheticals, invoke one isolated case as though it speaks for an entire people, and ignore the fact that their own “side” harbors extremists who celebrate the burning of infants alive. This is not just weak — it’s morally bankrupt. It's the rhetorical equivalent of plugging one's ears and screaming "But look at them!" while pretending the blood on your own hands is someone else’s problem. It is the logic of a frightened ideologue who senses, somewhere deep in the recesses of their conscience, that their position can’t hold under the weight of reality. So they don’t debate — they deflect. They don’t argue — they moralize. And they sure as hell don’t think — they perform. Their version of righteousness is a hollow pantomime: outrage without empathy, analysis without evidence, and certainty without reflection. They want to believe in a world divided into saints and monsters because it lets them justify collective punishment, mass civilian deaths, and dehumanization — not as regrettable necessities, but as righteous purification. That’s not morality. That’s fanaticism hiding behind the fig leaf of patriotism.

The claim that Gaza's population has been "brainwashed from childhood with ideas of hatred and slaughter as essential human values" is not just misleading — it's a textbook case of projection masquerading as moral clarity. The 2004 JWeekly article debunks sensationalist Western and Israeli media narratives that falsely portray Palestinian children as being raised en masse to become suicide bombers. The article points out that claims of "incitement" were often grossly exaggerated, manipulated, or based on isolated anecdotes presented without context. But of course, for someone clinging to an image of Gaza as a hive of pure hatred, nuance is not only inconvenient — it’s incompatible with the worldview. Moreover, the 2013 NPR report on the U.S.-funded study analyzing Israeli and Palestinian textbooks shatters the premise of a uniquely hateful Palestinian curriculum. The study found that both Israeli and Palestinian educational systems fail to present each other's narratives accurately. There’s little empathy on either side, but the idea that Palestinian children are uniquely radicalized while Israeli youth are raised on pacifism and rainbows is fantasy-level delusion. In fact, The Guardian’s 2011 report documents rising levels of racism in Israeli schools, including explicit anti-Arab sentiment among both students and educators. But, predictably, critics like the one quoted turn a blind eye to this, reserving moral outrage exclusively for the "Other." If "brainwashing" is truly your concern, it's worth asking why you're silent about one side's erasure of Palestinian history and growing ethno-nationalism. But then again, that would require intellectual consistency — a resource seemingly in short supply. One of the more perversely surreal claims is that Israel is "cleaning up that infection" while "causing the fewest possible deaths." Aside from the nauseating biological metaphor — describing over 2 million people as a disease — this is a spectacular feat of self-deception. According to the December 2024 Human Rights Watch report, Israel’s actions in Gaza involve systematic deprivation of food, water, electricity, and medicine to civilians — in direct violation of international humanitarian law. The report explicitly states that these are not collateral consequences but deliberate policies: the use of starvation as a weapon of war. If this is someone's idea of restraint, one shudders to imagine what excess would look like. Similarly, the 2024 Amnesty International report documents numerous instances of indiscriminate bombing, targeting of civilian infrastructure, and mass displacement. One detailed case involves the bombing of a refugee shelter, killing dozens of civilians without any identified military target. When entire neighborhoods are flattened, medical convoys are bombed, and humanitarian aid is blocked, only the most ideologically blinkered would describe it as “minimizing casualties.” But this is the problem with people who reduce ethics to loyalty tests: if Israel does it, it must be “necessary,” no matter how brutal. If Palestinians die, it must be their own fault for being born in the wrong zip code. It’s not analysis — it’s apologia dressed up as moral clarity. The belief that the IDF should have "continued the war until Hamas was eliminated" is a military fantasy — the kind that could only be held by someone whose understanding of counterinsurgency is based on action movies and Twitter threads. According to the RAND Corporation's study "How Terrorist Groups End", only 7% of terrorist organizations are defeated through military force. The most successful strategies involve political integration or robust intelligence and law enforcement operations, not carpet bombing or siege warfare. Hamas is more than just a militia — it is also a governing body, a provider of social services, and, for many Gazans, a symbol of resistance to a brutal occupation. Even if the IDF were to dismantle Hamas’s military wing (at great human cost), the ideology — and more dangerously, the grievances that fuel it — would persist. Waging total war to “eliminate” Hamas without addressing the underlying occupation, economic blockade, and daily humiliations endured by Palestinians is like trying to kill a plant by clipping the leaves. The blind faith in total war as a path to peace is not only strategically illiterate but also morally bankrupt. It elevates military annihilation as a substitute for diplomacy, while treating civilians as acceptable collateral damage. That is not counterterrorism — it's state-sanctioned vengeance. The speaker's supposed concern about Hamas’s survival rings hollow in light of Haaretz’s 2025 report, which revealed that Israel replaced moderate Fatah prisoners with convicted Hamas operatives in a prisoner swap. Why? Because empowering Fatah — a more moderate, diplomatically engaged Palestinian faction — would undermine the “no partner for peace” narrative that justifies endless war. Supporting Israel under the pretense of opposing Hamas, while ignoring the fact that Israeli policy often strengthens Hamas for strategic convenience, is intellectual malpractice. This hypocrisy lays bare what’s really going on: Hamas is useful. It justifies war. It absolves Israel from making peace. And for people like the speaker, it simplifies the moral equation down to something they can understand: one side good, one side evil. Facts be damned. What does this worldview say about the person holding it? Frankly, not much that flatters their intellect or ethics. Their grasp of geopolitics appears to extend no further than whichever pundit last yelled the loudest on cable news. Their understanding of military affairs is laughably shallow — they repeat the phrase “eliminate Hamas” like it’s a cheat code, oblivious to how such strategies consistently fail across modern history. More disturbingly, the language used — “infection,” “pressure pot,” “restart Gaza,” “immolate themselves” — is dehumanizing in the extreme. It reflects a moral outlook that is at best indifferent to civilian life and at worst comfortable with collective punishment as policy. This is not the rhetoric of a principled observer — it is the language of someone who has become morally anesthetized, so long as the suffering is happening on the other side of the wall. Such views should be treated with deep skepticism. They are not expressions of moral clarity or strategic insight — they are symptoms of ideological capture. And while everyone is entitled to their opinion, not all opinions are entitled to respect — especially when they whitewash war crimes, demonize civilians, and promote endless war as a viable path to peace. The quoted analysis reflects a profoundly unserious and ethically compromised perspective — one that fails on factual, legal, strategic, and moral grounds. It misrepresents the nature of education in Gaza, falsely portrays Israel's conduct as restrained, clings to unrealistic military goals, and ignores Israel's own role in sustaining Hamas for political gain. The person advancing these arguments demonstrates a stunning lack of critical thinking, intellectual humility, and human empathy. If this is their idea of geopolitical analysis, they would be better off reading history books than writing manifestos. In summary, the speaker exhibits the moral absolutism and binary reasoning typical of a younger developmental stage, but without the openness to learning that youth often allows. Unlike a child, who might outgrow simplistic thinking, this person clings to it — not out of innocence, but out of fear, dogma, or a need to protect a brittle identity rooted in conflict.

He understands well his society Shit you have the heart of a lion, You are right, if an alien society comes and says that this galactic sector is under their jurisdiction, but that I will continue to retain my properties, I will have citizen status and they will also bring technology that will make me immortal, I will say: no!!!!! in the name of Muhammad I will educate my children to commit suicide since nothing is more terrible than not being sovereign! I want to be subjected to an retarded Spanish dictator! Only he can sodomize me and put me in jail for 25 years for a comment on Instagram!! But they're not aliens. They're Jews who've lived in that land for 3,000 years. There's always been a Jewish presence, and when Israel was founded, there were half a million living there. They didn't oppress or steal. They brought wealth and prosperity, openness and vitality. Why don't collaborate and grow together as a society? Maybe because Muslims don't want to grow, just go to paradise? Listen this Muslim, he's smart https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNxiSB52NbW/?igsh=bG1qNm44ZG1oaGc4

Well, no one is asking you to commit suicide by badminton.

Getting Rich Blueprint Ahh man i've been struggling to get rich for so fucking long now .. Lets fucking go 1. Inner Game, Mental & Psychological Side : Similar to dating, yeah you have to work hard and earn your wealth but thats not enough, everyone works fucking hard man. No, War mentality I'm leaning a lot more towards darkness, stepping on people, zero empathy and affection (thats reserved for all my girlfirends thanks) Fucking ruthlessness, lie manipulate, hunger, be a snake be a dog animal bark bark energy fire. Promise shit, collect cash, get amazing at bullshit, marketing. Outreach. Make money get employees for delegation manipulate them get rich quick quick quick GET FUCKING RICH Dont give a f*ck what anyone thinks, piss people the fuck off, call 400 people a day, harass people, never let a lead go until they block you, demand more payment, if they cheap clients collect their money and fuck off and focus on the gold, no refunds. MASTER the fuck out of social psychology and manipulation and frame management, value perception, master my mannerisms my communication for business sales calls everything, master social media if needed i hate getting online attention but if i have to do it, i have to do it. Darkness makes money. Have to become a villain to get rich. ^^ So many people milked me of my money time attention before, i dont owe the world fucking nothing, i'm here to take back. IM GETTING RICH NIGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAA IM GETTING FUCK RICH OR I'LL DIE INTHE PROCESS NIGGGAAA SUICIDE MENTALITY MFFFFF

Cold Approach & Womaniser Blueprint Style Need more fresh clothes - Tailored Pants *3-5, mix of color range - $60- $120 Fresh Sneakers - $60-$130 Club button Shirts - big weakness, I normally just wear fitted white t shirt, which can still work fine, I do see all these guys in the club wearing those shirts thinknig where the fuck do I get these, good to have as an option Inner Game & Drive No Fap Visualization/Affirmations/Self Talk (Probably most overlooked) Final Boss - Remember that this isn't merely to fuck loads of girls (it is but) I'm going to fall for beautiful young exotic ultra feminine 19 year olds (or even younger ;)) , its gona happen, ive got the looks i've got the charisma, just have to max it out, my ultimae cieling is extremely high, I've got Owen cooks sex drive + James Bond looks (when im stylemaxed/looksmaxed) + Vincent Cassels charisma. But that doesnt mean shit until I get the fucking money and the consistent logistics and I go to fucking war and never stop. Brute Force War & Warrior Mentality, WW2 Suicide Mentality & Nihilism Avoid lazy & passive men like the plague Both Day game & Night game (but have to be strategic about night game - choice of when to go out, which events - logistics venue context can make the juice not worth the squeeze, since you're sacrificing sleep and health, has to be worth it ... Also cut off by 1-2AM, no regular fucking 4-6am nights, maybe once a month max. Leo and others thinking this is sustainable is completely nuts, it destroys fucking everything, sleeping at 5AM even once ruins the entire week Approach women of any age older or younger if i feel attraction doesn't matter Never need validation and laugh at rejection Be willing to go out alone, do things alone, and do things in optimal conditions Still approach if broke, approach when high body fat, approach without tailored pants, the momentum is sacred

I'm copying a lot of this text from my personal trip reports, which is why it's framed as me talking to myself. Yesterday I was feeling really awful, in a lot of pain, and I was really suicidal. I made the decision that I’ve had enough. I can’t live this life anymore. This has gone too far and gotten absolutely ridiculous. I cannot keep putting myself through this hell of a life. It’s cruel, it’s awful, it doesn’t end - I’m done. I’m going to give up on this life, and do whatever I can to make myself kill myself. If the universe wants me to stay alive and do something with my life, then it can make that happen. It’s had plenty of opportunities to do that, but it still won’t. So I am going to kill myself, get rid of this life, and if the universe doesn’t stop me and change something about my life, then it’s not my fault. I’ve done everything I can. I decided to take MDMA. I usually only use it with other psychedelics for healing purposes, and I wouldn't let myself use it for any other reason because it can be addictive, but I didn't care at this point, I was planning on killing myself later that day, so I took it just for my own enjoyment. Noticing my fear of killing myself I plugged the MDMA, it came on gradually and reached its peak after about an hour. During this time I felt SO good. I was journalling on my laptop, listening to music, and I felt amazing. It made me think again that it’s so stupid that I have to live this life and suffer so much for so long, when I could just be in a state like this, feel so good and not be in any pain. I started to think about what I was going to do after this trip. I knew this good feeling wouldn’t last and eventually I was going to go back to being in a lot of pain, and I needed to kill myself. I was really afraid to do that though. I really wanted to kill myself, but the thought of actually doing it is so scary. I don’t know if leaving this life is the right decision, I don’t know how I’ll feel after I die and where I will go, I was so afraid of it all. Eventually I realized that all of this fear I have only hurts me. I really don’t need to be so afraid, not just of killing myself but of life in general. I could see that this fear is an illusion and it’s something I could let go of. You need to have the courage to lose your life. I am so afraid of suicide, of dying, of losing control, moving into the unknown, etc. You need to see that there is really nothing to fear, you will be okay. Giving up my control I realized that I needed to get to the edge of suicide and seriously consider killing myself, right then and there, to really confront my fear of death. I saw that if I had the courage to let go and let myself die, that the universe would take control. If I totally surrender and give up all control of my life, the universe/my higher self will be able to come through me and live my life for me, and Tristan won’t be here anymore to suffer from this life, so I won’t have to physically kill myself to get the relief that I want. See that you can totally give up control to the universe, totally surrender, totally let go, and you no longer need to think about what you need to do to heal and move forwards in your life. That’s not your problem anymore. By totally giving up control over my life, you let the universe come through you and take over. This is exactly what I want, because I am absolutely exhausted from trying to make things work in my life. Just give up and relax. Your only objective at this point is to fully let go of control, and do whatever feels good to you. The thought of healing, moving forwards with my life, starting to work and make money, all of these problems in my life, they don’t matter to me anymore. Forget about all of them. If you get into a position where your back is against the wall and you are forced to do something you don’t like (such as running out of money and being forced to work when I don’t want to) then you kill yourself, no questions asked. You’ve been through enough pain in your life, you’ve suffered enough, it’s not your responsibility to try to make things work anymore. You need to trust that if you fully let go, the universe will take care of you. I’ve been so deeply suicidal for so long, and tried so hard to kill myself, yet I am still here. I am not going to get into a situation where I actually end up killing myself, even if I totally give up control and don’t care about doing anything to make my life any better. What I need to do moving forwards At this point, you don’t have to do anything you don’t want to do, because it is no longer your responsibility to move your life forwards and make things work for yourself. Do whatever makes you feel good and whatever you feel like doing at all times. If you get into a situation where your back is against the wall, then you can kill yourself. Don’t force yourself to keep going through pain and living this life if you don’t want to. If the universe wants things to work out for you, then it will make that happen. Stop worrying about the problems in your life, stop trying to make things work for yourself, because that is not my problem anymore, and it only causes me more suffering to keep stressing about my problems and trying to figure them out. Give up on your life as if you were going to kill yourself, focus on making yourself feel good, and let that help you surrender control more and more, until Tristan is gone and the universe/my higher self has fully taken over me. There is nothing else you have to do. How it feels surrendering to my higher self As I surrender more, the universe will be able to enter my being more. I noticed that as my higher self starts to enter me, it cannot co-exist in my being with all of the emotional issues I have. I can feel a lot of emotional pain coming to the surface to be released as my higher self enters me. I’m sure as I surrender more and more, this will give me the opportunity to heal, and maybe this was the way I was always meant to heal, and this is why healing has never worked for me in the past. I can feel that once all of my emotional pain gets released, I will naturally start to feel like working and moving forwards with my life, but I won’t be forcing myself to do that, and Tristan won’t be the one doing it at all. I can feel that as my higher self really starts to take control, and Tristan falls away, my entire life will be directed by it. Tristan won’t be the one teaching about emotional healing and helping people. The universe will be living through me, helping people directly, and Tristan will be gone. When I surrender and allow my higher self to take control, I can feel myself entering an altered state of consciousness. Life doesn’t feel like a physical reality anymore, it feels like I am walking around in a dream, in an imagination, a mind. I also feel like I am more intelligent and insightful than I was before. Insight comes to me much more easily. I can feel myself being pushed to stop thinking so much and start to feel a lot more. Feeling is how I access my higher self and get direction from it. I can feel a lot of my neurosis and dysfunctional behaviours falling away. My higher self is not weak or afraid, it will not let people push it around, and I can feel a lot of my neurosis being corrected just as a result of my higher self entering me. I really feel like my healing will come from establishing my connection to my higher self, and as I surrender to it, I will receive the love I need to help me heal. . . . My objective now after that trip is to keep working on getting to a point where I can fully surrender and let my higher self take over. I have a lot of fear and resistance within me that prevents me from surrendering, so it will take work to get to the point where I can fully let go. This morning, I went to take a shower, and I was thinking about everything that happened yesterday, thinking about how crazy it is that my higher self is starting to take over me, along with how connected I've felt to existential love lately, such as the episodes of craziness I've had recently after touching existential love. Thinking about all of this together made me really see how obvious that I am awakening and moving towards existential love. As I was thinking about this, I starting crying, and I started acting crazy again and getting into an altered state of consciousness. It was deeper than usual. It felt similar to a state I would get into on a psychedelic, even though I was fully sober. It was a lot more clear, stable and lucid than psychedelics, and it didn't have the blurry headspace they often have. I felt dis-identified with myself, and everything felt so beautiful and amazing. I kept crying and acting crazy, and later I played music and it was absolutely mesmerizing. I was was also looking at pictures of beautiful girls, and was in absolute awe of their beauty - it was just radiating off of them. After I got out of the shower, I plugged 5-MeO-DMT. I was already planning to do it earlier that day. It was a low dose as usual, but I got into quite a high consciousness state from it. My intention was to surrender as much as possible, because that's what I need to be working on, and I left human life quite a lot by doing that. Here's what I got from the trip: You keep thinking that when you take 5-MeO-DMT and awaken, that this is just some state you get into, but your normal human life is what’s real. That’s not the case at all. The awakened state is what’s real, and you’re fooling yourself if you think that it’s not. You think that you can take 5-MeO-DMT and awaken to God, Leo can do that, other people on this forum can do that, and that is just some state you get into, and then you come back to this normal human life and that is what’s real. You’re fooling yourself. There is nobody else to awaken to God but you. This is your dream, you are only imagining that other people exist. Because of this you need to stop giving other people so much authority. You’re giving away your power to an illusion. The only thing that matters is that I awaken and realize the truth of what I am. You think that Leo has this life purpose where he teaches people how to awaken on YouTube, and he has this forum where you can go and talk to other people about awakening, and get advice, but all of this is a massive bullshit story you are creating. There is no Leo, there is no “Leo’s life’s life purpose”, there is no forum, there is no other people to talk to about awakening. All of this is something you’re creating yourself to lead you to awakening. It’s all me. See how foolish it is to give all of it so much authority, when it’s not real, and I’m the one creating it. It’s fine if you want to go back to the forum and live your human life like normal, but you need to stop giving Leo/the forum/people on the forum so much authority. You’re being an idiot by doing this. My relationship with God/the universe/my higher self is the only thing that matters, it’s the only thing that is real, so I need to follow that and obey that no matter what anyone else says. Otherwise, you are giving your power away to an illusion, and you won’t awaken by doing that. (This really helps me to trust what I experienced on MDMA yesterday, that totally surrendering myself and letting my higher self take over is absolutely the right thing to do) I started to surrender deeper, and I could feel myself connecting deeper with this higher consciousness state. I started to cry really hard, and I realized that God is what I have always wanted. Like Leo said: “when you want x, what you really want is God”. However you will only experience God once you completely, 100% surrender, which is something I am still working towards. . . . I'm currently doing better and not feeling suicidal. What I experienced yesterday with MDMA really made me feel a lot better. It's clear that I am headed to some sort of awakening, that my human self is going to fall away and my higher self will take over. I have developed such a deep hatred towards human life because of how much pain I've gone through, and I want to leave this life so badly, but it seems like if I just surrender myself and let go, my higher self will take over, and Tristan won't have to be here living this life anymore. It's also nice to know that it's no longer my responsibility to solve my problems or direct my life in any way. I am so exhausted from doing that, because I try so hard to change my life and it never works, and it causes so much frustration and suffering. Knowing that I don't have to do anything anymore, that I can just let go and let my human self die without physically killing myself, this is a huge relief. This both gives me a reason to stay alive, and it shows me that I will likely undergo a huge transformation over the next few months, and it will result in my higher self living through me, living my life, and Tristan will no longer be here. I'm sure that's what all of this pain I've been going through for years has been leading me to. I'm sharing this post only because all of this makes me really happy, and I love sharing it with other people who are into spiritual work

@theoneandnone Well i cant reply to you if you keep threatening suicide because i don't want to be the one to trigger someone into suicide. If you need help you can ask.

- No, I just repeatedly point out to you the expulsions began before the 1948 invasions, this is the sixth time I am saying this. Even during an invasion, that doesn’t justify war crimes. Just because you’re fighting a war doesn’t mean you are no allowed to do whatever you want to civilians. They didn’t need to go from village to village slaughtering civilians and driving out thousands by force from their homes because at the same time they were fighting Arab armies. (Again, they were already doing this before any Arab army invaded) - because you’re ignoring the context of the Arab riots, this was in response to active colonization of their land. The hebron massacre you keep pointing out for example happened after zionists were marching with weapons chanting the country is there’s. The nebu masa riot escalated from a Jewish milita shooting at an Arab militia that was in a Jewish area searching for French soldiers. - you can’t seem to process that entire populations are not collectively responsible for actions by some of them, and that doesn’t justify crimes committed years later. Imagine there is a race riot in New York between blacks and whites, let’s some it’s started by black rioters, so a year later whites form a armed militia who begins carrying out bombings, the blacks start forming their own militias and also attacking, then the whites start killing thousands of blacks and expel hundreds of thousands of blacks from the city. The original race riot does not justify carrying out terrorist attacks against other people, the fight between militias does not justify mass ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of people who are not involved just because they’re the same race. You never apply this logic to the other side, do you think Hamas is justified in suicide bombings because Palestinians faced settler attacks for years? Do you think the Arab states that expelled their Jews were justified because they had fought a war?

They aren't resentful of what was done to them, but of being Jews in Palestine. The Tutsis are less resentful of the Hutus than the Palestinians with the Jews, and this was a real genocide. They are coexisting and improving Ruanda now. Crimea was populated by Tatars for centuries; Stalin deported them, then they returned, and now they're there as a minority, and they're not immolating themselves every two days. The Sahrawis feel oppressed by Morocco, and they're not stabbing Moroccans as their primary goal in life The Chechens were crushed by Putin, and they haven't spent 100 years educating their 3-year-olds to commit suicide. In fact they are Putin's friends now. This is a purely religious conflict, and if you don't see it, you're blind, with all your tons of information. Why turkey or Iran and so concerned by Israel? Why they are not concerned about the tartars in Crimea, or Chechenia, or about the Sahara?

@Sugarcoat I have figured out another reason not to kill yourself. It is a framework that acknowledges the reality of suicide without moralizing against you. Basically, if you are suicidal, then most likely you are dealing with circumstances that no human being should have to cope with. In this sense it is not really about you, but rather something deeply unfair and difficult that overwhelms your ability to cope. What this means is that you need help coping with an impossible situation. The problem is that our current system is often dysfunctional and fails people who reach out for help by prescribing pills that make things worse. Therefore, if I feel suicidal, then I want help coping with something extremely difficult. However, the reason people do kill themselves is if they feel that they cannot be helped. From this point of view, if I am suicidal then I want to reach out to every possible source I can imagine in the hopes of finding one person who cares, as this is what it takes to start making things at least a little bit better. It makes sense to approach suicidal thoughts in this way if you are approaching the ultimate final decision to take your own life.

I agree legal assisted suicide should be available in all 50 states

I am discouraging it, But in a nutshell I find suicide as valid if one is suffering immensely enough. Shit I think I’ll do it eventually and I would hate for someone tell say “oh don’t go we need you here” bla bla fck offf

Where is there to go? The common assumption behind suicide is that you'll go into this lovey dovey plane of existence where all your worries and problems will melt away, escaping the problems ur facing on earth. Is that guaranteed though? Is it true? For all I know, my life after death could be worse. Many people report hellish NDE experiences. After reading many NDE reports, I have this intuition that suicide in many cases is the too obvious answer. People get lectured in their life reviews telling them how much of a selfish asshole they were etc etc. I think if someone is truly suicidal, they should probably go balls to the wall in spirituality since they have nothing to lose either. My personal theory is that some form of kamma is real. We don't know what any of us did in our past lives but it might come boomeranging back relentlessly. What I think matters is intentions behind suicide. Are they pure? Since most things in the universe are cyclic in some kind of way, it's no wild assumption to also assume birth and death is also cyclic (rebirths). If one's intentions are relatively pure (eg. if one has attained a very high integrated spiritual state but is suffering a terminal illness) then suicide would be considered tbh. If I were to commit suicide, I would settle my business here on earth and repay my debts to society, my family and others who have helped me. And I would have attained a highly integrated spiritual state which even carries over to my daily life (like an arahant). For me that would be a blameless suicide. Point is, I don't think suicide is the escape most people think it is. Who can prove existence after suicide isn't more suffering than what one intended to escape? Im not some new ager "life is a school!" type either. The suffering is definitely there and it does seem senseless and meaningless for many. But I do think most suicides has some form of metaphysical consequences. For terminal illness and chronic unbearable physical pain, sure I can see why it would be done. For most people I think, mental problems can be worked on and overcome instead of going straight into the deep end and dying. But for many, it does get to that point unfortunately may they rest in peace. - me as a guy who's been suicidal for 5-6 years ever since being a teen actually. My suicidality lessened a lot when I realised my suicide isn't exactly the escape that I romanticised it to be. I have a lot of work to do. If you go hardcore into what buddhism teaches, you may find some satisfying conclusions and answers. Classic buddhism won't alleviate all suffering in this life but it will prevent future suffering from future rebirths.

🔹 1. What the Oslo Accords established Signed between Yitzhak Rabin (Israel) and Yasser Arafat (PLO) under U.S. mediation (Bill Clinton), the Oslo Accords (1993–1995) aimed to create a gradual path toward peace and a Palestinian state. They had three main pillars: Mutual recognition: The PLO recognized Israel’s right to exist. Israel recognized the PLO as the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. Progressive Palestinian autonomy: Israel would gradually withdraw from parts of Gaza and the West Bank. The territories would be divided into three zones: Area A: full Palestinian civil and security control. Area B: Palestinian civil control, joint Israeli security control. Area C: full Israeli control. Final-status negotiations within five years (by 1999): To decide issues such as borders, Jerusalem, refugees, and security. 🔹 2. Why Israel did not fully comply Ongoing terrorism (1994–2001): After Oslo, suicide bombings by Hamas and Islamic Jihad increased sharply. More Israelis were killed in terror attacks in the five years after Oslo than in the five years before. This made much of Israeli society lose trust in the Palestinian leadership’s intentions. Domestic political change: In 1995, Rabin was assassinated by a Jewish extremist. In 1996, Netanyahu (Likud) came to power, opposed to Oslo’s approach. From then on, right-wing governments slowed or froze further withdrawals. Unresolved issues: Israel demanded full security guarantees before further concessions. The PLO failed to dismantle its armed factions. Key topics like Jerusalem and settlements were postponed indefinitely. 🔹 3. Why the Palestinians also failed to comply The PLO never formally recognized Israel as a Jewish state. Terrorist groups continued to operate —often tolerated or supported by the Palestinian Authority. The Palestinian Authority did not build democratic institutions; corruption and internal power struggles weakened it. 🔹 4. The outcome Between 1993 and 2000, there were economic improvements and some cooperation, but no political progress. In 2000, Arafat rejected the Camp David offer, which included a Palestinian state on about 92% of the West Bank and all of Gaza. Soon after, the Second Intifada broke out (2000–2005), killing more than 4,000 people. 🔹 5. Summary ActorWhat they failed to doReason IsraelComplete withdrawals, freeze settlementsTerrorism, political shifts, loss of trust Palestinian Authority (PLO)Stop terrorism, accept final peaceInternal divisions, Islamist pressure ResultCollapse of trust and of the peace process 💬 Conclusion: Israel partially complied (withdrawals from Gaza and Jericho, creation of the Palestinian Authority) but halted the process after waves of terrorism and political change. The PLO did not stop violence or build credible governance. Both sides broke the mutual trust that Oslo required —and the peace process collapsed.

I appreciate the sentiments, I know I’m clogging up this forum with this shit and I’m sorry but if solipsism is the ultimate end goal I refuse to do it. I refuse to stay in this dream talking to myself no matter how much I accept the synchronicities… the obvious proof etc I still reject it. I understand the complexity of solipsism etc. but I refuse to be god jerking off in his dream playing with himself. And I totally understand suicide discouragement etc obviously but if it’s my own self talking to me why the hell would I care. Has no weight to it it’s like a dream character saying “don’t leave us” Of course you guys don’t want me to leave because the fucking game and dream ends with me. This is not bashing Leo btw or anyone. (Or myself) lol.

Nice! Here are some sources: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2013/07/drinking-coffee-may-reduce-risk-of-suicide-by-50/ «Drinking several cups of coffee daily appears to reduce the risk of suicide in men and women by about 50 percent» https://examine.com/research-feed/study/1rEBVd/ «In cohort studies, the highest category of coffee intake (compared to the lowest) was associated with a 11% lower risk of depression. A dose-response analysis indicated a 4% lower risk of depression for each 240 mL per day increase in coffee intake. Similarly, higher coffee intake was associated with a 22% lower odds of depression in cross-sectional studies.» https://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/decades-of-research-shows-coffee-makes-you-healthier-happier-but-if-you-want-to-boost-your-energy-level-memory-theres-a-7-day-catch.html «Coffee can reduce your risk of cancer up to 20 percent, your risk of type 2 diabetes by 30 percent, and your risk of Parkinson's disease by 30 percent. A study published in Circulation found that coffee can reduce the risk of stroke by 20 percent. A study of over 260,000 people conducted by the NIH found that people who drank four or more cups of coffee a day were nearly 10 percent less likely to become depressed than those who drank none.» I can't advise you to start, but I don't think you should be afraid to try.

Danm, I had no idea. I don't drink coffe, should i start? Although never experience a serious suicide thoughts in life, maybe depression (not sure).

I don't think coffee is very comparable. Those who don't drink coffee have a higher risk of depression and suicide than those who do, and if you force ChatGPT to answer yes or no on whether coffee is healthy or not, the answer is yes. Enjoy your coffee without guilt, I say!

@Aciddhartha I get what you’re saying because I’m in that same headspace. I also yearn for death sometimes, but what stops me is exactly what you’re describing — not knowing what’s on the other side. People talk about suicide like it’s a clean ‘escape,’ but when you’re honest about it, you realise it might be horrendous, messy, humiliating, even panic‑filled at the moment of dying. And then, if there is something after death, it could be infinite madness with no take‑backs. So you end up in this bind: told to ‘appreciate the now’ while sitting in a mouldy bedroom, broke no matter how much you budget, watching the world burn in a trash bucket. You can’t wish your life away, but you can’t really live it either. It’s like being held between two walls — you see everything clearly, but there’s nowhere to move. Some days I feel like I’d need a lobotomy just to make the bind stop. I’m saying this not to be dramatic but because I think it’s the honest reality for people like us.

How old are you? Do you have close family members? From my understanding when people cross over to the other side because of suicide they experience their life review and if that person commits suicide , they will experience the pain of that decision from every person who knew them because you are always connected to all that it is and connected to other people even if it doesn’t feel like it. In your natural state which is pure spirit , suicide is always the wrong choice because you came to this life to learn lessons so that you can grow as spirit. you are more powerful than you think as a spirit, as pure concsousiness. you might not resonate with that I said but I just wanted to say it.

Every suicide breaks even strangers hearts

@Elliott I don't know you man, like this isn't a teeny tumbler thread but a literal loaded question and dead serious I need answers, there should be legalised government assisted suicide outside of just being a terminally ill patient so people should have the right to exit, at the same time more spiritual philosophical ground works about what happens after such a decision needs less taboo and more open conversation

I'd say enlighment is egoic suicide, it's impossible to die spiritually. If your going into religion you need to guard yourself from all these ideas and concepts like demons. Think of it more like energy. While you can't die spiritually, as spirit is itself truth and life, you can obfuscate it and religion does this. Religion = lifelessness. Mysticism + God = Eternal purpose and escatcy.

I don't mean that they have died to themselves and broke free... I mean they have lost their eternal souls and are dead spiritually... What is the difference externally. We see people who temporarily escaped suffering or are just numb to it... Someone like Frank Yang you can see as a borderline demon possessed guy now totally mellowed out... did he gain peace or rather completely lose his soul ? Is he "enlightened" or just totally dead inside... Is enlightenment spiritual suicide? Is it worth gaining peace now in exchange for your eternal soul being lost? I used to want enlightenment and did all the meditation and psychedelics, however, I've since converted to Catholicism and studying theology now it doesn't seem like a good trade off... to gain the world but lose my soul. I'd rather suffer this life for Christ's sake then give up my soul for a few decades of peace here. Imagine that we are tormented by demons and that they just want to kill you, so you give them your soul to stop the torment. Like a last meal on death row, they may just let up because they already have your soul... who even knows, they might remove your soul from the body and possess it for you. Many times meditating towards enlightenment the sensation of dying or the experience of dying have been profound, but now it's a bit disturbing that if it wasn't for last minute resistance and the grace of God, I could have given up my soul... Regardless of your spiritual views, consider this. Is enlightenment worth losing your eternal soul? May the peace of Christ be with you. God bless.