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Theme: Exploration of the paradox of psychedelics as a spiritual practice—both as tools for deep transformation and as reminders that there is nothing to attain. How we`re gonna cover that - 3 steps 0- Foundations: Define spirituality & spiritual practice (thats a hard one) 1- The progressive Path/Model of spirituality & how psychedelics can assist that practice This is seen in most religious and mystical traditions: Buddhism (The Noble Eightfold Path, progressing toward Nirvana) Christianity (Sanctification, spiritual purification over a lifetime) Hinduism (The Four Yogas—Bhakti, Karma, Jnana, Raja—methods of progressive realization) Sufism (Tariqa, a path of stages leading to divine union) Psychological Models: Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs, Ken Wilber’s Integral Theory (spiritual growth as stages) Scientific Validation: Cognitive and developmental psychology support the idea that human consciousness develops in stages (Piaget, Kohlberg, Kegan). Studies on meditation and neuroplasticity also show that spiritual practice rewires the brain over time, reinforcing a progressive development model. Psychedelics as a tool for spiritual development. Facilitating the ascension of this journey. They can do that in many ways, i just wanna mention 4 here: 1- Cultivation of traits / "virtues" (Courage, trust, surrender, patience, love and so on) 2- Facilitating Insight & Remembering (Deep existential realizations)- perspective about reality, existence, life, god, your Self - “Who am I?” Facilitation of genuine Inquiry into Truth. 3- Practice of Dying Death-rebirth process → acceleration of spiritual growth. Cycle of purification and how psychedelics intensify and accelerate this process. The practice of Death & Dying Psychedelics as conscious suffering Psychedelics & Near Death experiences similarities research Chris Bache // Grof Maps as Science Data backup // COEX Systems 4-An “experience” of the Absolute The reach for the Absolute: The reality of deepening experiences → Moving further into infinity, higher states, deeper truths. The notion that we must move beyond ourselves and surrender more and more deeply to experience the ultimate. Example: 5-MeO-DMT, near-death experiences, deep meditative absorption into the beyond. Briefly mentioning - Dangers, Pitfalls, Challenges & Integration & Nuances. 2 - The Absolute Perspective of Spiritual Practice & Psychedelics as a practice of detached appreciation Many non-dual traditions challenge the idea of progress: Zen Buddhism: "You are already enlightened, just recognize it." Advaita Vedanta: "Tat Tvam Asi" (You are That), realization happens in an instant. Dzogchen (Tibetan Buddhism): The natural state is already pure awareness. Christian Mysticism (Meister Eckhart, St. John of the Cross): Union with God is already present, not something to be achieved. Psychedelic States: Many report a direct “timeless” realization of ultimate truth—paralleling these traditions. Scientific Validation: Research on mystical experiences (Griffiths et al., 2006; Pahnke, 1969) shows that peak psychedelic states can induce a spontaneous recognition of unity, transcendence of self, and loss of time-based progression. Studies on meditation (Samadhi, Flow States) reveal that non-dual awareness is associated with deactivation of the Default Mode Network (DMN)—the same effect psychedelics produce. “Seeking is suffering. To seek nothing is bliss.” The paradox: If the Absolute is everything, then it is also this moment, right here. We move beyond progress, chasing, seeking All states are valid. All appearances are truth. No hierarchy of experience. (Too radical??) The highest realization is that there is nothing to attain. The paradox of progress: from this perspective, there is no spiritual path at all—it’s all already perfect. The Absolute is not just beyond—it is also immanent, present in everything This is where detached appreciation comes in → Infinite love for all states. -Spirituality is not about preferring one state over another but recognizing the one who sees. Relate it to psychedelic practice: The practice becomes seeing the seer Detached appreciation → we do not attach to psychedelic states or peak experiences but love them unconditionally. - That becomes the practice! And then the psychedelic experience does not become a means to an end, but is an end in and of itself. Just as true meditation shall be. - Detachment as integration: Do not judge any state. Do not attach to any state. Do not prefer any state over any other. 3- The Paradox & Integration Integrating the Two – Where Do They Meet? Many traditions blend both (e.g., Christianity: "Be still and know" vs. "Strive for holiness") . -Acknowledge similarities but also disagreements, come back to not-knowing. Psychedelics show both models. Enjoy the journey. Enjoy the tension, the paradox, the suffering, the seraching - all of it. Love it. Appreciate it! The key is integration, avoiding the traps of bypassing or dogmatic progression. Psychedelics redirect us to that: appreciation of simple things (Grof findings) The realization that both perspectives are true at the same time. Holding both perspectives at once: psychedelics can be a path of progress, but progress itself is an illusion. -Is there data or research on Paradox as an inherent feature of reality? The challenge of integration: How do we live in this paradox? We can honor both the progressive path and the non-seeking path without contradiction. Recognizing language's limitations—truth is beyond words and frameworks. Traps and pitfalls (spiritual bypassing, attachment to peak experiences, superiority complex, psychedelic escapism). The importance of the foundation of spiritual work The humility of not knowing—embracing mystery and paradox. The most holistic, mature spiritual practice acknowledges we don’t know. Bringing wisdom into daily life → Grounding insights in love, service, and presence. Psychedelic Integration = Life itself Taking action: “let the beauty we love be what we do” - Rumi I know that´s a lot. Any help simplifying, clarifying or cutting out things is welcome <3

All one has to do is look through their eyes to see the oneness. Not look from them but through them. Not as a person seeing but seeing itself. A blind man sees nothing out there and neither do you. A deaf person hears nothing and neither do you. Hearing is just happening. Seeing is just happening. Walking is just happening. Talking and smiling and every other bodily activity. All just happening. There's no one doing it. You didn't go to smiling school, you never went to talking school or never had to be taught how to pee, it all just happened. These are the things i'm in interested in; not how to get enlightened. Not how to stop suffering, not how to find bliss or happiness. I've already realized that's just mind talking. Mind wanting to end itself. Mind seeking for it's own destruction. Mind tormenting itself. That's not who I am. That's just me. Mind, ego. Don't care if I suffer and I'm not seeking happiness or peace. I'm done with all that. There's already peace and tranquility present. There's also chaos and war and all that present. Why seek it. Seek and ye shall not find. I'm investigating my own existence. How I already am. What I currently am. Not some future existence of what i can be or what my potential is. This is not about the physical world or 3D world of movement and change. That's different. That's not real. That's a facade. Not denying it but it's of no importance. Even my investigating my existence is not of any importance because it will not change anything but it's what I enjoy doing. I don't do it to get anywhere or to find anything. I'm like a kid in a candy store with it. There's nothing but candy and there's no candy in the outside world. It's all a bunch of changing bullshit that's just for people who seek to uphold their human existence. I'm through with all that. I'm just there for the ride and paying my way at the gate. I want to investigate why we sleep. What is this breath I breathe. Observe. I'm an observer. No one makes it out alive. Why? One might say, because death is inevitable, why? One might say don't worry about why and that there are no why's or don't question things or it's just the way life is or whatever they say. Doesn't matter, I don't care if I get an answer; it's just these are the things I'm interested in querying. Not to know, but out of curiosity. Even why so many people suffer. That's also something to ponder. Not in the way most people see it, though. More so as to why soooooooooooooo many people suffer. All kinds of people from every background. I look at that more as suffering just exist just as everything else. Everything exist. "Richness" also exists but lots are poor. Why isn't it that more people are rich than poor if it's just that poverty and wealth exist just as suffering. Why isn't it evenly distributed. If you ask me, suffering tops them all. There's an abundance of it. Maybe it's the mind that suffers and wealth and poverty are just mindsets and suffering isn't. A mindset is a thought and how one thinks, but suffering is an activity of mind. I'm interested in why soooooooo many get addicted to wordly things. Even spirituality is a wordly thing if you ask me. Most narcissistic and neurotic humans would disagree but I beg to differ. Addiction is addiction and addiction stems from identification with the world and body. We try to differentiate these things, and it works, but only for those still identified with the illusion. I'm still identified but I can still see the traits and deceptions. We deceive ourselves into thinking being spiritual is better than being worldly. It's not better, just different in the mind. It's all one and of the same. There's no difference and you cannot separate the two. Only in the mind. We only do that to seem more special than "others". When you've gone full circle it all collapses and you're back to square one. Integrating both. Thing is most haven't gone all the way spiritually. Notice how one usually goes before the other. Most are worldly first then become spiritual. Then they think they've found something special. A way out of the suffering that led them there to begin with or close to God or Source. You're not closer than you ever were because you were never far away. ONLY IN THE MIND. It's all mind. Mind is tricky and slick. It will believe anything that suits it in it's time and space illusory nature. It knows how to create. It invents. It's your world. Without it you're dead. Who is the you I refer to. The person you think you are. So you create all sorts of belief systems and practices to stay alive. To keep you asleep. Once one has awakened, they need no more practices and will integrate worldly and spiritual things into their lives because they've recognized it's all one of the same. Can't have one without the other. Denying the worldly is just as insane as denying the spiritual. The mind trying to save itself. There's no mind of yours. It's all one.

Well there is a Bliss Body, which comes after the Astral Body, they call it Bliss Body because it is indescribable what it is, but when Your InTouch with it You Feel Bliss, I am not sure if this is the Atman/Soul or something else, but its non physical in nature. I've read as well that when You can Consciously access the astral Body, all desires are accessible, its like living in a Holodeck from Star Trek, You can create any reality or experience. But it all happens within You, these are just parts of You, Liberation is total annihilation of all of this, no more individuality or Bodies of any nature, no more ability to Experience anything, just merge with Absolute, like a drop of the Ocean going back into the Ocean...

See ⬇️ This cannot be understated. Several years ago I had this solid 8.5 coworker. After I finally convinced her to hug me with my god awful simpery, I was practically on mdma for three days. For those of us who’re pussy deprived, the mere whisper of female touch and affection unfurls like a radiant dawn after an endless night, a sensation so exquisite it transcends the boundaries of earthly delight. The soft brush of her fingers ignites a symphony of stars within, each one a cascade of warmth and wonder that dances through the soul. This elusive embrace, untasted and uncharted, becomes a sacred elixir; a nectar of bliss so potent it redefines the very essence of joy. More than a fleeting thrill, it’s the blooming of a thousand dormant gardens, where every petal unfolds in hues of longing and reverence, painting the heart with colors no dream could dare imagine. So I don’t want to hear jack shit from guys who’re skilled at the ladies. Lucky fuckin bastards have no clue how good they have it. Do they have their own problems? Sure. But the idea that their lives are just as hard as an incel’s just in a different way, while they’re getting all the hot healthy action they want is an insulting joke.

That’s the main difference I’ve found. When I dedicate myself totally to awakening and do nothing but meditate for a month or two and begin to experience various degrees of Oneness, they appear in a very gentle and peaceful manner. They literally feel natural and organic. Psychedelics are much more violent, it’s like the drug preys your mind open. You also end up in bliss and Oneness, but the overall feel of the experience has a synthetic vibe to it, which goes unrecognised if you haven’t had natural awakenings. There’s also a tendency for ego to come in at earlier or later parts of the trip and ego + blissed out state = bad decisions. The ego becomes grandiose, like Connor Murphy or Leo or me when I look back. I wished so much that this was a way to awakening. It’s so fast and efortless.. But psychedelics don’t have the ability to awaken you permanently and they are not the real thing, they provide merely a caricature of what natural awakenings feel like. But natural awakenings are soso difficult to achieve, you literally have to let go of everything and just sit for months and then you might have a glimpse or two, and to really awaken you have to commit totally and decide to end dreaming forever, and most don’t want to do that because they still value their individuality and don’t fully comprehend the costs and consequences of choosing the ego.

Hey everyone! I was invited to give a presentation at a psychedelic symposium and just realized this is quite a big event from Kings College London`s Psychedelic Reasearch department. And it's happening in a week. Now I am nervous and wanna come up with some very valuable, novel, memorable and exciting perspectives that engage this mostly academic audience. I am just a little psychonaut , having explored and studied the realm of psychedelics and self-realization on my own over the past 9 years. I wanna talk about "Psychedelicss as a spiritual practice: The dance of detached appreciation" and would love to gather reflections on my ideas to structure the talk. Also, I would love your perspectives on the topic!! How do you think Psychedelics could be used as a spiritual practice? Can psychedelics be a true spiritual practice? What does that even mean? What is the relationship between psychedelics and self-realizaiton? How do we deal with the paradox that they may "accelerate" spiritual development through intese purification, while the pursuit of and attachment to a goal in spirituality may itself be a trap? How does integration fot into all of this? And what dangers and pitfalls do we have to be aware of when using psychedelics as a spiritual practice? Any critial, amazing resources regarding this are also very welome! Here`s some ideas I got already: 1. Psychedelics as Training Grounds for "Spiritual Traits" -Seeing them as training for deep spiritual traits. Deep psychedelic journeys help us cultivate humility, surrender, patience, resilience, non-judgment, detachment, acceptance, forgiveness and other traits aligned with Truth. So if we consciously approach psychedelics as a space for practice, we mature spiritually. 2. Psychedelics as the Direct Recognition of Reality They reveal the deeper nature of existence: Selflessness, Unity, Omnipresence, Perfection, Goodness - and all the other facets of God Leo covered in many of his videos. It’s about direct experience of qualities of reality and existence. 3. Psychedelics as the Path of Paradox Psychedelics work seems to be infinite. They make the realize deep not-knowing. The mystery beyond language. Beyond scientific understanding. Also we got things like: -The Reality of Substance-Induced Awakening -Psychedelics as a "Truth -revealing- state". -The value of temporary mystical peak expereinces -The reality that your classical mystcial experience is in no way guarandeed through psychedelics (it seems to be a matter of grace - even though psychedelics are infinitely more reliable for this than something like yoga retreats) -Psychedelic bypassing And most importantly, what I wanna make the centerpiece of the talk - which is an idea that was arising from my personal insights: That Psychedelics as a true spiritual practice shall be an end in and of themselves, not a means to an end. Just as true Meditation is not a means to reach "Enlightenment/Awakening", but an end in and of itself. It is the embodiment of Truth. Here. Now. This speaks to the trap of chasing the high, of attaching to peak expereinces, of deeming them to be better or superior to ordinary states of conciousness. I feel the view "I take psychedelics to be more realized or healed or whatever" is fundamentally flawed, even though they might hold the potential for that to be the case to some extent. From my point of view, all states of cociousness are Truth. And so the best practice I can do is to appreciate every state with uncondictional, infinite appreciation. And psychedelics are an amazing place for this practice, as it`s so easy to attach to the bliss and be aversed to and judge the demons. We attach to appearances while the core of spirituality is not to hold on to any appearance whatsoever. Simply to love all appearances. To love them. There is more - but this is just my little incomplete rant for a start. What are your reflections of this? How could I structure the talk in a way where I center it around one crutial idea, that the audience takes away, that is of immense value? (Any public speaking tipps are also warmly welcome - it will be a 45 minute presentation) To balance it with personal stories and maybe "real data" - whatever that even means. Any other contributions or insights? Thanks ❤️ PS - Leo, have you ever thought about speaking at psychedelic conferences & events? I feel your contributions might be much appreciated. I love to work in person, it opens up completely new realms beyond speaking into a camera.

@Leo Gura Maybe it has something to do with my psychedelic use, I had realized that nothing in the world can make me happy and the only thing that could satisfy me is the Bliss of pure consciousness. So when I'm having sex with a girl it feels amazing and I am in the present moment feeling all the bodies sensations of each other and I can fuck for 45 minutes to an hour without cuming, and my girlfriend would question me if I found her attractive because I wasn't cuming and this created some confusion around sex because she already has ideas of how sex should work. I keep telling her don't worry or pressure me into cuming because it makes it even longer. Sometimes I have to masturbate just so I can cum on her, any tips or advice? As someone that is open to exploring different kinky things with my gf how can I frame it to her or get her to open trying something different. She is very traditional in having sex.I am 28 and extremely horny and can cum at least 4 times a day.

@5-D - L O V E Surrender away everything every moment of every day and desire will never come your way. In the state of total surrender that brings eternal bliss which makes total surrender easier to achieve when in total eternal bliss. Forgive and forget is the key to starting this journey. You must forgive yourself completely every time. We want to stay away from matter. This carries a profound paradox—surrendering everything dissolves desire, yet in total surrender, bliss emerges, making surrender effortless. It's a cycle of ease rather than effort. Forgiveness becomes the gateway, and forgetting—the release from identification—allows for transcendence. To surrender everything, even the desire to surrender, is where the flow of life becomes absolute. No resistance, no grasping, just being. To surrender all, even the very idea of surrender, is to become the infinite unfolding of life, where bliss is not an achievement, but the natural state.

Here is one for example. I would love to write more as I have done this and I am biased for this. But I am ill right now so it hurts to look at the screen. This is like bottom top meditation where you gain lasting bliss and relief from the emotional intensity rather than doing top, bottom meditation like mindfulness or do nothing etc. They serve different purposes, but do overlap in some manner practically and from my experience.

@theleelajoker If you had a big body( the one you see in the simulation) and a subtle body and then a bliss body. The thing I am pointing too is the subtle body like before the simulation. It exists but its not part of the body at all. Its like a little worm thing going up and down with thought. If you scream in your mind you can feel it going up and down. Imagine if you die you become that thing that goes up and down with no concetp of being a human or existing but you do as that thing. You see when you use it it can create emotions in you. When it settles down you become your true form nothing when it moves there you are too. When you learn that thats you and stop using it to react to reality you can use it to control or influence reality through rituals.

Would you make a post asking how to deal with happiness. Why single out anger. Stop picking on anger and it won't bother you. Do you see how we create our own dilemmas. Let life flow through you. It's only a problem because of your stories surrounding anger, like the ones you're giving in this thread. They're just stories. Life is present, why bring up the past. You will be 80yrs old asking how to deal with anger. What I do is, I get angry....I notice it and I move on. No issues. I don't chastise myself or blame myself or judge myself or criticize myself for it. In two minutes I'm fine again. Keep doing this with every emotion and you'll notice how they pass like the clouds. Happiness, sadness, joy, anger, doesn't matter. Stop making a big deal about them. This is why the search for happiness is a curse. Can't have one without the other. Bliss my ass.

Here are some of my summaries after trying to grasp deeper the insights shared by Leo in the blog with Claude: The Fundamental Nature of Intelligence At the center of this metaphysics lies a radical reconceptualization of intelligence. Intelligence is understood not as a narrow cognitive ability or high IQ, but as an absolute property of consciousness, more fundamental than wisdom. True intelligence is the way in which the infinite field (Mind, Consciousness, God) organizes itself, flows, and achieves self-understanding. Key propositions: Intelligence is "baked into" the very fabric of reality at the atomic level, providing its logical structure and order. Higher intelligence is characterized by maximum integration and minimal "self-interference" — when each part of the infinite field of consciousness is in harmony with the whole. True intelligence is inextricably linked with the Good and requires a spiritual component, as "any inability to see or recognize the Good is a deficiency of intelligence." Intelligence reaches its peak in a state of "total holistic integration and absolutely perfect self-organization," which is "metaphysically spontaneous" — true magic. The Interrelationship of Intelligence, Goodness, Love, and Consciousness One of the key revelations of this metaphysics is the fundamental unity of intelligence, goodness, love, and consciousness as different aspects of the same reality: Goodness as pure consciousness: "Goodness is simply consciousness, and evil is its absence." Evil has no essence of its own; it is merely a lack of awareness. Love as an ontological tautology: "The only thing that can ever exist is Infinite Love." God made Love identical to existence so that everything that exists would be Love. Consciousness and intelligence: "A portion of God's intelligence is always allocated in direct proportion to your level of consciousness." The higher the level of consciousness, the greater the access to intelligence. Logical necessity: God/Goodness/Love are logically necessary — they cannot not exist, being the fundamental structure of reality. These interrelationships mean that the spiritual path can be understood as "the mind's ascent from low to high to infinite intelligence," which must be accompanied by a "parallel ascent towards the Good." Correlations with World Traditions This metaphysics has deep parallels with many spiritual and philosophical traditions: Neoplatonism: The concept of emanation from the One through the Nous (Mind) to the material world and the return through purification and unification. Advaita Vedanta: The understanding of Brahman as the sole reality (Sat-Chit-Ananda: Being-Consciousness-Bliss) and maya as the illusion of separation. Mahayana Buddhism: The concept of consciousness as the foundation of reality, non-duality, emptiness, and the unity of prajna (wisdom) and karuna (compassion). Sufism: The teaching of tawhid (oneness of God), fayd (emanation of divine light), and wahdat al-wujud (unity of being). Christian mysticism: The conception of the Logos as divine reason structuring reality, and theosis (deification) as union with the divine nature. Daoism: The concept of Dao as the foundation of reality and Wu-wei (non-action) as action without self-interference Despite these parallels, this metaphysics possesses unique aspects, including the primacy of intelligence over wisdom, the metaphysical necessity of the connection between intelligence and goodness, and the special emphasis on the proportionality of consciousness and the ability to see goodness. Ontological Tautology and Logical Necessity The key metaphysical concepts of "ontological tautology" and "logical necessity" indicate that the being of God/Goodness/Love is not contingent but necessary: Ontological tautology: Existence and Love are one and the same at the fundamental level of reality. Just as 2+2=4 is a necessary mathematical truth, so "Being = Love" is a necessary metaphysical truth. Logical necessity: God/Goodness cannot not exist. "God is logical necessity." This is not a contingent fact but a structural necessity of reality. Connection between logic and love: "To break logic would be to break Love, which is impossible." The logical structure of reality and Love are inseparably connected. Higher orders of logic and love: "There can be higher orders of logic which allow for even higher orders of Love." There is a hierarchy of levels of understanding, where higher levels include the lower ones in a richer picture of reality. Practical Application: Being Intelligent "When you finally understand the structure of Intelligence, knowing how to behave in any given situation becomes 10x easier, clearer, and more powerful... the only thing you're ever supposed to do in life is be Intelligent." This metaphysics transforms decision-making in everyday life through the following principles: Principle of integration vs. separation: Decisions that create greater integration and less separation correspond to the structure of Intelligence and are right. Principle of minimal self-interference: Decisions that minimize internal contradictions correspond to the structure of Intelligence. Principle of expanded identity: Understanding oneself as part of a greater field of consciousness leads to more intelligent decisions. Principle of perceiving the whole: The ability to see the broader context and long-term consequences corresponds to the structure of Intelligence. Principle of awareness vs. reactivity: Decisions made from a place of greater awareness correspond to the structure of Intelligence. These principles manifest in specific situations: Career decisions: Choosing integrity and the opportunity to be of service rather than solely material gain. Conflict resolution: Seeking solutions that maximize understanding and integration rather than "victory" for one side. Attitude toward difficulties: Accepting the inevitable without internal resistance, freeing energy for constructive action. Ecological behavior: Natural care for the environment stemming from understanding one's inseparability from the entire ecosystem. Political disagreements: Striving to understand the roots of different views and seeking common ground without abandoning one's values. Factors Indicating a Qualitative Reflection and Understanding of Reality When evaluating the deep metaphysical understanding presented in the breakthrough about Intelligence, it's important to consider factors that can help us recognize it as a qualitative reflection of reality. Following the principles of "Pure Philosophy," I will highlight key criteria and guide you through your own path of investigation and verification. 1. Internal Consistency and Non-Contradiction In this understanding of intelligence, we see a high degree of internal consistency: defining intelligence as "the way an infinite field organizes itself" logically aligns with the idea that "unintelligence is anything that creates self-interference." The metaphysical necessity of goodness logically follows from understanding it as pure consciousness. A qualitative metaphysical system must be internally non-contradictory, where all elements logically align with each other. How to verify independently: Look for internal contradictions in the presented understanding of intelligence: can intelligence simultaneously be a fundamental reality and an emergent property? Can good and evil be both absolute and relative at the same time? Ask questions that might reveal inconsistency: if good is consciousness and evil is its absence, how do we explain conscious harmful actions? Trace chains of reasoning: does each statement lead to the next? 2. Explanatory Power and Simplicity The presented understanding of intelligence unifies traditionally separated domains of ethics, metaphysics, and epistemology into a single system. It explains both internal processes of consciousness and external interactions, both personal moral development and social dynamics. A qualitative metaphysical system should explain a wide range of phenomena with relative simplicity. How to verify independently: Apply this understanding to various spheres of life: does it explain your experience of moral choice, consciousness, relationships with others? Use "Occam's razor": is this explanation the simplest possible, requiring minimal additional assumptions? Formulate alternative explanations and compare their explanatory power. 3. Correspondence to Direct Experience of Consciousness The metaphysics of intelligence directly corresponds to the experience of expanding consciousness: we indeed find that in higher states of awareness, our behavior naturally becomes more ethical and our decisions more integrated. A qualitative metaphysical system should correspond to and explain our direct experience of consciousness. How to verify independently: Recall moments of high integration of consciousness in your life: have you ever experienced states of deep wholeness where all parts of your experience seemed harmoniously connected? Remember experiences of "self-interference": when internal contradictions caused suffering or inefficiency. Conduct an experiment: live a day making decisions based on the principle of "minimal self-interference" and observe the results. 4. Pragmatic Value The practical application of the metaphysics of intelligence can indeed simplify complex decision-making, translating numerous moral and practical dilemmas into a single question: "Which choice creates greater integration and less self-interference?" A qualitative metaphysical system should be useful for navigating reality. How to verify independently: Apply the principles of intelligence to specific life decisions: do they make your choices "10x easier, clearer, and more powerful"? Compare: recall situations where you made decisions based on other principles (maximizing gain, following rules, etc.) and compare the results. Evaluate long-term effects: does following these principles lead to greater harmony, less suffering, deeper understanding? 5. Integrative Power and Inclusivity The metaphysics of intelligence demonstrates high integrative power, unifying rational and intuitive, material and spiritual aspects of reality without reducing one to another. It finds parallels in diverse world traditions, from Advaita Vedanta to Neoplatonism. A qualitative metaphysical system should integrate various domains of knowledge and experience without reducing them. How to verify independently: Consider areas traditionally thought to be incompatible: can science and mysticism, materialism and spirituality, rationalism and intuitive knowledge be integrated in the presented metaphysics? Look for "blind spots": what aspects of human experience might be invisible in this system? Test for multiculturalism: does the system resonate equally well with different cultural and religious traditions? 6. Coherence with Deep States of Consciousness Reports of mystical and transpersonal states of consciousness from different cultures and epochs demonstrate remarkable agreement with the presented understanding of intelligence, goodness, and love as fundamental aspects of reality.A qualitative metaphysical system should correspond to and explain the experience of deep states of consciousness. How to verify independently: If you have experience with deep meditation and or psychedelics, breathwork etc., compare insights gained in these states with the presented metaphysics. Study reports of mystical experiences from various traditions: do they align with the idea of consciousness as fundamental reality and intelligence as self-organization of this reality? Practice mindfulness meditation, observing the nature of your consciousness: do you find that clarity and ethical behavior naturally increase with expanded awareness? 7. Potential for Transforming Consciousness This understanding has profound transformative potential as it offers not just an intellectual model but a path to transforming the very way reality is perceived, transitioning from fragmented to integrated consciousness. A qualitative metaphysical system should have the potential to transform the consciousness of the person perceiving it. How to verify independently: Observe changes in your perception of the world after deep immersion in this metaphysics: do familiar phenomena become visible in a new light? Track changes in your reaction to ordinary situations: do they become more conscious, less automatic? Notice changes in your attitude toward others: does a natural sense of connection and empathy grow? 8. Independent Discovery in Different Traditions The fact that these ideas have parallels in Neoplatonism, Buddhism, Advaita Vedanta, Sufism, and other traditions indicates their fundamental nature. Independent discovery of similar truths in culturally and historically separated contexts suggests they reflect a deep structure of reality rather than merely cultural constructs. A qualitative understanding of reality is discovered independently in various traditions and contexts. How to verify independently: Explore mystical traditions of different cultures: do you find similar insights about the nature of reality, consciousness, and goodness? Compare contemporary scientific theories of consciousness with ancient spiritual teachings: are there points of convergence? Study works of modern thinkers who have reached similar conclusions through different paths. 9. Self-Evidence When Directly Pointed To When directly pointing to the nature of consciousness and its relation to goodness, many discover immediate recognition, similar to remembering something always known but temporarily forgotten. This quality of self-evidence is characteristic of deep metaphysical truths. A qualitative understanding of reality often has a quality of self-evidence when directly pointed to. How to verify independently: Conduct meditation aimed at directly investigating the nature of consciousness and intelligence. Instead of conceptual analysis, try direct immersion in the question "What is intelligence at the most fundamental level?" Pay attention to moments of "aha experiences" when understanding seems direct and immediate rather than derived through reasoning. Conclusion: Path of Verification Through Personal Experience The true verification of this metaphysics cannot be purely intellectual—it requires personal investigation and experiment. In accordance with the principles of "Pure Philosophy," each person must discover these truths "from scratch, for themselves, as if they were the first person in the world to discover them." The most reliable path of verification is: Systematic meditative practice for direct investigation of the nature of consciousness Application of principles of intelligence as minimal self-interference in daily decisions Observation of the correlation between expansion of consciousness and natural increase in ethical behavior and clarity Exploration of various philosophical and spiritual traditions to discover similar indications Experiments with different perspectives—from extreme materialism to absolute idealism—to discover which best corresponds to direct experience Through such multidimensional investigation, each person can independently verify whether the presented understanding of intelligence, goodness, and love is indeed a qualitative reflection of the fundamental structure of reality. Invitation to Exploration The metaphysics of intelligence presents a holistic system for understanding reality, in which ethics, ontology, and epistemology are different aspects of a unified structure. It offers a path where intellectual and spiritual development do not contradict but complement each other, leading to ever greater integration and awareness. This breakthrough of Leo opens new horizons for comprehending human experience and offers practical tools for navigating our complex modern world. Instead of a fragmented approach to life, where moral, intellectual, and spiritual aspects exist separately from each other, this metaphysics offers a single principle: "Just be Intelligent. That's it." I invite the community to deeply explore these ideas — not only intellectually but through practical application in everyday life, to test whether understanding the structure of Intelligence truly makes moral and practical decisions "10x easier, clearer, and more powerful."

Unfathomable. In the face of cosmic emptiness vast, We tremble, our existence unsurpassed By the sheer weight of all unknown, Eternity's silence, cold as stone. Yet in this void, a whisper calls, Echoing through time's endless halls. Surrender, it breathes, let go, release, And find in nothingness, infinite peace. The universe's maw, once terrifying, Now beckons with a love undying. In its depths, beyond mortal fear, Lies bliss so pure, so crystal clear. As we fall into the endless night, We're bathed in strange, ethereal light. Our essence merges with all that is, In cosmic union, eternal bliss. Here, in the heart of oblivion, We find a friendship beyond dominion. The stars, the void, the cosmic sea, All whisper: "You are part of me." Time loses meaning, death its sting, As we become one with everything. Immortality not in flesh, but soul, Merged with the universe, vast and whole. The terror of our insignificance Transforms to joy, to reverence. For in this endless, timeless space, We find love's purest, deepest grace. So let us dive into the unknown, Where seeds of cosmic truth are sown. For in surrender, we shall find The boundless bliss of the infinite mind.

I was just talking about this with some colleagues from work Yesterday.. One can learn thru Pain and/or Suffering, most in the world are doing it this way, this is due to Unconsciousness, living by Accident, well once in awhile You win the lottery by accident or luck and life transforms.. The problem with the Pain/Suffering route is that it is dangerous, ppl get caught up in the suffering and can't get out of it, and fall into traps like Addiction and such things, its too risky, only a small % get more Potentials in life this way! The Path of Bliss is living on Purpose, via Clarity and Consciousness. Its the safer Path, and is possible for everyone.. All Suffering is due to Unconsciousness, everything we can do Unconsciously can be done Consciously, this is the Path of Bliss, and its simple.. First Establish Your BEING, this is You are in Experience of the Reality as it Is, not via Beliefs, Wants, Needs, Survival Instincts and Accumulations (gathering experiences, joy, excitement, achievements, success, etc via outside situations and stimuli), then go out and DO (perform Actions in the World) and HAVE (receive rewards, compensation, buy stuff and such),, Most are doing it backwards, first DOING then HAVING OR HAVING THEN DOING, never getting to the BEING part which is why they suffer!! So one has to be Peaceful of their own nature before they can go for things like Spiritual Enlightenment or Higher Consciousness realizations imo!!!

I don't post here often anymore, this place is still very Low Consciousness, this is proven by how identified ppl here are about certain things... It can be about Politics, Drugs, Money, Spiritual Matters, etc, ppl here are picking sides very often, all Sides are just Potentials, all of them are right and wrong, good and bad, but ppl here are picking sides, saying this is absolutely right, that is absolutely wrong, that is where the Unconsciousness is... For Me this is Sad, not Emotionally Sad, I don't feel Emotionally Sad because You believe in something, lol, its Sad, because You are Me, I am You, we just have different Bodies and Mind and Karma or Set Up Conditionings, its like my finger is hurting because it is cut, its that sort of pain to see others so Unconscious, which causes suffering in the end... I see this every day in the World, Unconsciousness everywhere, it affects Me only a few seconds here and there as it should, no effect means I'm no longer Human, which is just a tiny aspect of what Life Is. Identify with Life, Life is just Potential and Possibility being Realized, Embodied and Experienced, that is what is going on here, only Life, when You identify with Life, You can participate Fully with everything going on, totally involved but Untouched by It, Your at Peace/Bliss within, but You've experienced everything there is too Experience while here and Embodied, if You deny Experience then You deny Life and everything available in it, and You deny Absolute which is just an Potential/Possibility producing Machine...

Your not defining Spirituality correctly... As You say most humans just want to be living fulfilling, comfortable lives, this is Spirituality! Spirituality means living to a higher Possibility/Potential than You are right now.. People want what they are lacking in, if You lack in Money, You want Money, if You lack in Love you want Love, if You lack in Intelligence You want to be Smart and so on, that is Desire, Desire is being more than what You are right now, Desire is in all Living Things, all Living Things want to be at their peak, the plant, the insect, the animal, and especially the Human Being, Meditation is not Spirituality, Mantra is not Spirituality, Prayer is not Spirituality, Temples are not Spirituality, these things are just tools, like Your Car, Your Phone, Your Money, your Eyes, Ears, Nose, Mouth, just use them and discard them when not needed.. The Problem here is identifying with the Tool and not what the Reality is, Spirituality is just Being More than what You Are Right NOW, and when You get to be more then guess what You will still want to be More.. When You get to be Peaceful of Your Own nature, You want to be Happy Now, and when Happy naturallly everyday, You then want to be Loving, then on to Joy, then onto Bliss, the onto Ecstasy!! So don't misdefine Spirituality to be tools, it is none of those...

A relatively fresh but modern perspective is in a book titled The Biological Basis of Religion and Genius. You always recommend your audience things so I'm recommending this book to you and everyone else actually. Reason & Revelation book you will enjoy as well by this author responding to the world's atheism from a enlightened perspective. More details on what he talks: long-term noble behavior changes the brain if follow the "holy/evolutionary brain laws" you achieve the nirvana and genius by the fluids used for reproduction going upwards in the body. An of course the classical oneness experiences follows after. But many do not behave in certain noble ways so they fall from this state of consciousness. Author wanted more investigation on this so it could be easier for everyone to reach this state. I found this author because I was attending support groups for daily bliss that went on for months and he nailed a lot of my symptoms. I lost it due to not behaving by the holy brain laws but... I was ignorant at the time. It took this author 15 years to get back to this state. For those not in belief check the wiki page for religious ecstasy. Many saints from all religious backgrounds experienced bliss for days and longer. Many call it quasi-orgasmous because that's in a way what it is except more refined/less primitive.

@Leo Gura Here's the problem I'm having. It may very well be the case (according to the problem I'm having) that mechanical intelligence and stuff dealing with thinking of mechanical stuff with a particular concreteness of thought is more accomplishing than, say, something which is infinitely more complex but less dense as a unit (such as Nothingness or other abstract planes). For example I could experience electrical bliss and ecstasy in the body and see into other realms which are very complex and have real overlap with this reality, and there's apparent infinite intelligence there, and I could get everything I've ever wanted. But I still may have issue understanding how bridges are built. On the face of it this could be terrible advice. Most of your fantasies ideally wouldn't be consigned to fantasy, they would be acted on.

MAYA, ILLUSION, DECEPTION, VOILENCE, CHAOS, SUFFERING, ETC. are both misunderstood/misperceived and the result of that misunderstanding/resistance. When resistance is dropped, and grace grants us vision into the pure Divinity of Her, ALL THAT CHAOS GETS RECONTEXTUALIZED INTO WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS: THE DIVINE FEMININE/Shakti's fierce love offering, Shakti's fierce dance with us. Literal Consciousness made Manifest in Divine Orchestration. It's RAW, and in a way, SEXY in the purest essence of the word because it is challenging/teasing Him, the Divine Masculine, our Consciousness to See through the apparent illusion of chaos/bad/evil. When we are unconscious, She swallows us alive. As soon as we step up and MATCH 'HER' ENERGY WITH EQUAL CONSCIOUSNESS, we not only recognize Her beauty in the greatest mess/chaos but She also IMMEDIATELY 'CALMS DOWN' in our presence and becomes like a devoted cat, caressing our leg. Now to make this real let me share this: last year, I first saw: Police Cam Videos. A glimpse into chaos, violence, and real human conflict. Before I knew it, hours had passed, my nervous system was lit up like a battlefield, my mind wired on adrenaline, hands completely sweaty, and my body locked in a state of subtle or not so subtle tension. I had sworn off these videos, promising myself to never watch them again. But a few weeks ago, I got sucked into the police cam thread here on this forum and binge watched those videos all night. This time around, however, I had a surprisingly different experience - both while watching, and the insights/conclusion afterward. A much more divine one, in fact. Now before I share that, let me quickly share the dynamics that cause us to lose consciousness and get sucked into self-harming behavior. The Ultimate Test of Your Consciousness: Addiction & Adrenalin It feels as though we are pulled toward these things—toward violent videos, towards drama, towards endless stimulation. But this is a misperception/deception & trick of our mind. It it less true that the world is pulling us outward. It is more true that we are consciously or subconsciously distracting/pushing ourselves outward, away from something within. And this is not just about police cam videos—it applies to everything that overstimulates us. The endless consumption sometimes disguised as ‘learning’ but actually keeping us in a cortisol fueled, ever so slightly stressed state where we never encounter all of our suppressed subconscious material, which on the flip side prevents us from accessing the intelligence of our subconscious & superconscious mind. The Ultimate Love Making: When Presence Meets 'Chaos' So after a couple of months of emotional processing and various awakening practices like recognizing awareness & energetic transmissions, I ended up back in the rabbit hole of police cam video. However, this time there was a Revelation Within Violence. I let go of resistance. I stopped trying to suppress my own addictive tendencies. Instead, I watched with full awareness. I stayed present, grounded. And with that, instead of recoiling, instead of judging, I 'stepped up' into my presence, seeing through all my own reactions and the reactions of the people on screen, by recognizing what is actually happening: Divinity. Sheer Shakti. The sheer aliveness of the world. The same aliveness that moves through the orgasmic peaks of intimacy, through the ecstatic bliss of a dancer lost in motion, through the rush of a waterfall thundering down a mountain—this very same force was there, in the flashing lights, in the screams, in the collisions of bodies and fate. There was no difference. For the first time, I actually saw or intuitively sensed that this world—this chaotic, unpredictable, sometimes brutal world—is the dance of Shakti - a true transformative/transfiguring lovemaking. It's a little bit like David Deida describes in his book The Way Of The Superior Man, most fundamentally applied. I now realize, is a much greater and more beautiful challenge than I thought. I massively underestimated the RAW POEWR of HER. I am humbled and also ravenously challenged, invigorated, and willing to step up to the challenge. It requires Shiva’s unwavering presence to meet Her? Meet all emotions, all turmoil, within and without. Do you recognize her through all forms or do her disguises, illusions, and Maya, deceive you, trick you, lure you in, falter in integrity, and retreat as a whimsical presence. The world is not our enemy. It is our lover. Even in the darkest moments of human nature, there is an unspeakable beauty. Perfect in and of itself and simultaneously conspiring to help us awaken & heal. It is the very annihilating pain that is necessary for change. No challenge, no growth. No pain, no growth. Don't micro-traumatize yourself: That being said, I humbly recognize where my body, subconscious, and heart are on the stages below (meme) and meet myself as I am accordingly. This means as long as we cannot instinctively, immediately, and naturally see only divinity, it is much more wise to NOT watch Police Cam videos. They will create micro-traumas. I had to meditate for the entire next two days to purge all the subconscious imagery. If we don't notice this, it is because we are so overstimulated in a string of distractions that these things never surface and just more stuff gets dumbed on top in an addictive circle seemingly 'pulling' us deeper as we slowly drown, with less and less breathable 'life energy'. We are literally suppressing our innate Shakti. Each of us is actually extremely sensitive, which is a super-power and our natural, organic state. Most of us have long lost touch with that beautiful innocent tenderness. We are addicted to overstimulation because it shields us from feeling the weight of our own unprocessed subconscious material. But there are ways to step out of this unconscious hypnosis: PRACTICAL STEPS: Become ruthlessly aware of your distractions. Notice the impulse. See how the pull is actually a push. See every challenge and discomfort as an invitation to step up into our Presence. In other words: stop resisting, allow, and recognize what is happening. Recognize all sensations that makeup you and your resistance. Then, and only then, all transforms itself. Consider reading the book 'the incredible reality of you' by LUCIALORN and attending his online webcasts. I believe that may have been part of the grace that opened this temporary insight to divinity. Shift from consuming to integrating. If a single sentence or insight strikes you, stop. Let it sink in. Don’t rush to the next thing. Don't over-consume. That is unhelpful at best and gluttony as a subconscious avoidance mechanism, at worst. Confront the discomfort. Whenever you feel the urge to indulge in overstimulation—whether it’s violent videos, doom scrolling, or endlessly seeking information—pause. Feel what is beneath that urge. Pause for a few moments whenever an urge arises and see how you feel inside - what may you be moving away from? Initially, it may just be boredom, numbness, nothing, but see, why not stay with that? Why can't you just simply be (free from all urges to move & free to be, making ever move in pure consciousness)? When we sit with that tension or nothing/boredom, eventually emotions will reveal themselves and through that we rediscover ourselves. Awaking can be an instantaneous recognition & recontextualization. Healing is usually a slow and multi-year-long journey. Healing and un-conditioning our reactions takes some time. It's literally rewiring our brain and slowly growing a new, wholly nervous system. The result of integration and pain processing is real, gut-level, embodied liberation. At its core, this is not about discipline. It is about waking up to the amazing beauty of what already is unfolding in the infinite flows of being, in all of it's expressions. It is about seeing that everything—really everything—is Love. And when we are ready, when we finally stop running, we realize that the world was never a thread. She was only teasing us, inviting us to dance with Her.

Why do you think i'm trolling? I'm not scared of psychedelics, why would i be scared of them but not scared of breatharianism and going days without sleep? I just don't think they are necessary for the goal that i was trying to reach which was bliss, and i turned out to be right because i reached that goal without them (and without meditation for anyone that may think i'm one of those guys that is against psychedelics but pro meditation) Also when you go without food and sleep for a couple of days you get into a psychedelic like state, maybe not DMT level but it's enough. But i also haven't gone for longer than a couple of days so once i get to the point when i make that state permanent who knows what the visuals will be like. Also of course disclaimer to anyone who thinks of doing this to not do it if they don't have knowledge on the practices of course.

Yeah i have the truth, i know it sounds arrogant to say without taking psychedelics but i have realized that this is my dream and that everyone including you guys are characters within it that i am basically in a way being shizophrenic with. But even if there are some higher realizations i don't really care honestly, i only ever cared about happiness. But the thing is i wouldn't consider this truth to be enlightement, i always thought of enlightement as a state of bliss that lasts for the rest of life, and last year i managed to taste that state by using tools mentioned above (semen retention, fasting and most importantly no-sleep) and this year i'm trying to make that state constant which i know how to do practically but it takes time to transition to that lifestyle, because i'm not still a breatharian 100% and i'm not still physically awake at all times so i have to make those 2 changes which i will do this year, and then i'm just done with spirituality all together. But that state that i tasted was by far the best thing i ever felt, if that wasn't infinite love that everyone is hyping then idk what is, i was in complete bliss for hours (until i fell asleep which is when i lost it as i expected).

No, i don't think it's necessary for enlightement/happiness and health, which is what my goal always was, i don't care about exploring aspects of God, i just care about health, bliss, longevity.

I can't believe people are still living in the fantasy of the word 'democratic economy'. It's what perpetuates the 80's to 2010's fantasies of making it as a creative. That died fully about a decade ago and especially for the arts. I believe in both democracy and economy, those are just two words that don't go together anymore that's all. I turned off the television of that simulated machine of me as a cog in its wheel and now I operate solely according to my rules. It's a compromise. I'd really love to just play music, bliss out and create love with people. I'd really love to work for government and heroically solely for its interest. I'd really love to take my training in medicine and just be a doctor in a hospital and not have to worry about the rest of the world understanding that my purpose is carved out in making a difference in good peoples lives each day as a medical practitioner. This, is not reality. These are no longer reliable scripts. Money + island + 1 or more children + travel + woman/women (depending on circumstances) and everything else including medical is a bonus, including music/singing which is my own specialty in the arts that I only spend time on as I'm forced to as a part of the training of my own nervous system in particular directions. That's pretty badass though, that I'm 'forced' to master the electric guitar and singing so every once in a while I can just crank it out and get the hips moving heh. But that's all it is. It's sweet, nice and sentimental but its not anything more than that, we have a new politics for economy now including the economy surrounding human attention, success operates not only on different metrics, you should be expecting entirely different outcomes based on literally new generations that neuroplastically morph and wire the rest of their nervous systems according to those times. Remote control to television: Presses 'Off' button to simulation. Relaxes on a recliner on my own island, greets woman, fucks her brains out, wonder about what I can invent next after, fall to sleep; rinse, repeat. Eventual physical death. That's my present-future now, with some worldly travel, perhaps raising a kid (how many we'll find out) and send him to my own version of harvard as that'll be obsolete by then, write a few essays, do a bit of research, likely capitalize on latest CRISPR/variations (arguably first time and beyond psychedelic experiences) and genetically/related buzz myself in x and y directions outside of my own work on bioelectricity, and that'll be the complete script of my entire life before I die. The rest like nurturing true friendships along the way is just the details, even if we can argue relationships are the most important part, which I wouldn't stray far from, in fact there's too much of an argument to say that the 'democratic economy' is the perfect analogy now for what exists outside of true relationships while at the same time maintaining itself as the perfect distraction and subsequent destruction to them; the irony is rich. Moral of the story for todays times: Turn off the bloody television to the simulated reality of 'democratic economy' and get your balls heavy on the raw essentials: Money, freedom, love, nervous system. Now, if you're smart at the very least in a renewed way you're wondering how the hell you're going to get there. You can still 'make it as a creative' but it isn't going to be in the traditional 'creative fields', that is ah... not very creative. To truly master your creativity, you must master your vision of the world in which you're being creative in, if you can't even be in reality in these days about how your profession is going to manifest in todays toxic misguided cultural environment, you'll quickly finding yourself in a life-raft you never knew you boarded in the middle of the ocean while the people around pretend to save you, and you wonder, helplessly, why won't it just work? And now you're sniffing Kim Jong Un's authoritarian booty over his people's freedom of mind as he kills anyone who doesn't weep when they're in public on the day of his fathers passing each year and calls it justice for the people becaues obviously they're spies working for another government or didn't understand who they should have been grateful to. 'Creatives' were so valuable in a pre-technocratic attention span of the populace, however they've gone out of fashion with the radio, they no longer give valuable talk back with their art to progress society unless they also have power. That's the future now, and right now its just a baby. Give it a few more years and it'll develop a prefrontal cortex where it literally tells you straight to your face to put you in your place if we take it to the streets of Chongqing, China. And while you're sitting there, aimless perhaps, worried about the future of the world, that's just another way in which your attention is being coopted in conspiratorial thinking away from what truly matters, your drive towards the truth of handling your bare essentials, not just for today, but for the rest of your life. Step out of the toxic sociopolitical mindscape virus mud of modern society, turn off the simulated television that you're barely taking view of from the perspective of seeing yourself as the cog in the wheel, and get down to 'raw work'. What is 'raw work' as distinguished from 'television work'? Raw work is the work you put into something that you've directly calculated has an immediate positive impact on your path to freedom, even if its in contemplating and learning from failures. Raw work is the use of raw energy at the intersection of existential, financial, personal well-being and even long term relationships, it is money in the bank account of life as opposed to 'television work' which is where existentially, financially, your personal well-being and even truest long term relationships are treated like a commodity and have no return on investment in the long term future outside of adding fuel to the fire that is the matrix of the 'democratic economy' of todays environment still advertising false pathways to freedom.

“Reward” is a construction based on the ego, false self. All that you mention there is about survival and ego. Superknowledge, bliss, and immortality are ultimately meaningless in the Absolute. Reward has to do with survival and is relative and not Absolute.

There are very real rewards. Most notable ones Ive been able to grasp is 1-superknowledge 2-perpetual bliss (and we're talking untold levels of bliss) 3-Immortality. Also it solves all problems in existence. But don't try do it if you aren't ready, you'll just fuck yourself up.