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There is an old Buddhist saying " form is empty. Emptiness is form". It's basically pointing to the collapse of the duality between somethingness and nothingness. I've realized it many times.. That something and nothing are identical. The mistake is thinking that "nothing" is some blank black void somewhere. No.. Everything we are experiencing all the time is precisely nothing. It's completely hollow and unstable. No different than appearance of a Dream. Even scientifically speaking.. If you break down the atoms that make up the universe.. You will get waves of energy. Break down the energry and you get nothingness . We know now through quantum physics that the universe is literally made out of nothing. Scientific community just doesn't want to let mainstream society know because it's going to cause a serious existential crisis and mass suicides if people knew that nothing actually exist .

Nothingness = God Not Nothingness = God

Spiritual Autolysis Journal Entry #63 - Mar 29, 2025 9:16 PM CHAPTER TITLE: Higher Self has a Meltdown Summary: The characters start to become aware of their own self-construction Higher self: Hi, how are you today? Lower self: I am good, just busy doing lower self stuff. Higher self: oh okay.... What exactly are "lower self stuff?" Lower self: Thinking. That's what I've been doing, I feel like it's all that I do. Think. And feel. Think. Feel. Think. Feel. It feels like that is all that I am, this floating ball of consciousness that has an endless stream of thoughts and emotions. Higher self: oh well okay then. Yeah, if that's what you feel like you are, then yeah good for you. Lower self: Thanks, I had to get that off of my chest. Higher self: I'm happy for you. Now what is a statement that is true? True beyond a singular doubt. Lower self: This water bottle is green. Higher self: *Looks taken aback* This water bottle is green??? That's the best you can come up with! I've waited two weeks to hear that?! *Looking dumbfounded* the water bottle is green... First off, water bottle is a concept, it is a label that was given to an object so that it can be identified and categorizing and given value to. Green... What the fuck is even that?*Using a mocking voice* Green. The color green is a label that has been given to an object that is seen by the human eye to have a shade that is similar to the color of grass or a forest or broccoli. It was invented so that we can distinguish one color as opposed to another. Pfft .. this water bottle is green. There is not an ounce of truth within that statement. Try again. Lower self: okay. Give me a second .... I.... I exist. I do in fact exist. I know this because I am moving my fingers, typing on a tiny little phone keyboard in order to write down a conversation that I am having in my own head. This is what I am doing and it is me that is experiencing it. There. I am fully aware that I do in fact exist. *Looks at higher self for reassurance* Higher self: I exist *scratches his chin* If I exist then that would mean that we exist. Then again I am just a voice inside of your head. But then again, who am I referring to when i say "your." *Higher self stares off into the distance, looking confused* Lower self: Yeah I don't know who you're referring to as your.. I am not running the show here. Higher self: What are you talking about? Then who's running the show here? *Growing frustrated* Lower self: My emotions and my thoughts are running things. I have no actual control over any and all behaviors and actions. In a sense I am a selfless being already because I have no control over what I am doing. Higher self: what are you talking about? Of course you have control. Lower self: I don't feel like I have control. I feel like I just do things without any real reason. It's as if I'm on auto pilot and I have been since I was born. That's why I should just let go. Let go of all control. And allows myself to float on down this beautiful river of mystery. Higher self: Why would you want to let go? Aren't you afraid of what will happen to you? Lower self: Yes. I am afraid. Higher self: Afraid of what exactly? *Lower self goes into contemplation mode* Lower self: I am afraid of losing something. Higher self: Afraid of losing what exactly? Lower self: I am afraid of losing... *Sits there in silence for a minute* ... My identity. Higher self: Ahhh okay. Now we're getting somewhere. And what is an identity? Lower self: An identity is a structure that I have built in my own mind in order to describe myself. I feel like I am different than all of the other creatures and things in this world. I identify with this body that is sitting here typing words on a screen. Anything outside of this body`s experience is "out there" and " other than me." Higher self: Now, tell me this higher self, what makes your perspective different than mine. Lower self: Ohhhh. That's a juicy question! Nice one dude! *Higher self gives lower self a high five* *Lower self smiles sheepishly* Higher Self: Now why are you say so self conscious? Why can't you confidently accept the praise and just be yourself? Lower self: Hold on a minute, what is the difference between you and me? Why do you act so confident and I don't? And are we both part of this "identity" that this "I" has constructed for itself? Higher self: I'm sorry, I just get so passionate about helping you. *Starts to settle in* Okay, let's take it from the top. I am a character that is located in this body's head. But I am imaginary. You can picture me as this tiny little version of myself that is able to zoom his perspective out so that he can see things from an objective viewpoint. It's as if I am in this Absolute realm. I am detached from outcome, from emotions, anything that makes you human, I am not attached to. That's what makes me... me. Lower self: Okay, then what am I as the lower self character in this story? Higher self: You are also a fictitious character that was created inside of this body's head. But what makes you different than me is that you have access to the feelings and thoughts and overall the human experience that I do not have access to. That is the only difference between you and I. I am not better than you. I fully accept and love you exactly as you are right now. You are perfect. Lower self: But are we both really the same thing because this I body is one entity, correct? And we are both inside of it. *Looks sad* I just don't really understand what I am though. Like what am I metaphysically? I must have some metaphysical make up. I mean I must be made of something, right? Metaphysically: relating to or concerned with abstract thought or subjects beyond the physical world, such as existence, causality, and truth, or the study of the fundamental nature of reality. Higher self: I don't know, why do we have to be made up of anything? Lower self: What do you mean? Are you saying that we are made up of nothing? What even is that? Higher self: Nothing? I don't know what it is. I literally have no clue. *They look at each other at first deep in thought, then they both grin in an eager way* Next chapter: Discovering Nothingness

In other words, if there is no awareness of something, what is there? Nothing. What is nothing? Absolute potential. Therefore, awareness of something reappears. If it reappears, when did it not exist? Never. Where is never? In nowhere. Always is being because not being is never, then being is infinite. It could take infinite dimensions, because nothing is infinite potential. It's simple inevitable logic, because existence is logical, just because logical is an arising in existence The question would be: why nothing is infinite potential? Because nothing is limitless, that's the main point. This is the root of the understanding, when you realize the absolute nothingness, and you realize that in it everything is, because the absence of limitations of the nothingness has as its inevitable consequence the explosion of the infinite totality. You can see it directly, without logical mind involved, it's within you

Nothingness and Everythingness are identical to Love. A heed of warning, though. There is a trade-off to raising your consciousness this high. All ideas of there being a past, present, future become obsolete. And a need to control and maintain your human identity takes a dip, as you realize how it means absolutely NOTHING in the grand scheme of things

Nothingness is what is happening. Nothingness is not separate from something. But what is Nothing? Is a great question. It cannot be pointed too, it can only be realized. Too be conscious of Nothingness is to see the hollowness of reality, what helps is to have a boundary dissolving experience in which your sense of solid reality breakdown and melts. When your entire reality flips inside out, there is no out there, it is all happening in the Mind. But not your mind, this mind is the mind of the Universe. This Mind is empty of itself but contains all form. This empty Nothingness is the intelligence of creation. It is Infinite Consciousness. You can feel like your going crazy because all experience is universal and there is no focal point to which you can point to yourself, there is no you, and the inside and outside become One. Which is not the nothing you think of, you cannot imagine it, it imagines everything. You are it.

Nothingness is the realization that there is nothing concrete, nothing defined, nothing structured, if your mind isn't creating those structures and meanings. Then it seems to you that reality is absolute emptiness, but if you can maintain this state for a while without panic and horror, you realize something obvious: you are there. How? Who? What are you?, the one who is there in the nothingness? An observer? How, if there is nothing to observe? Are you the perceiver of the nothingness? Just that? There is nothing else? Then you realize that yes, there is something in you, a substance. You can call it life, love, power, the fact is that you are that, that substance. Then you realize that that substance is permeating the nothingness, and that it is not limited, it doesn't matter how much the nothingness expands, it is that substance, it is infinite, it is what you are. The nothingness is totally full of being, and being is absolute potential, absolute power.

Think of this nothingness as a blank piece of paper that has absolutely nothing on it. It's still something. Everything that arises, arises from nothingness including the body, mind and thoughts.

Because nothingness exists!

I listened at 33:30 and no such thing was said. But even granting he said it, Jordan does not understand God. He has a nice theoretical abstraction it, which is precisely the danger I am pointing out. Just because he can speak about God being ineffable does not in any way mean he is conscious of what God is. And also, notice BTW, how Jordan Hall will now ally himself with the likes of Jordan Peterson and the right-wing thanks to his new Christian identity, showing exactly why mistakes at this level will also spill over into politics. Wilber doesn't understand that the Dao is ineffable and can't be formalized? Come on. Anyone in the Integral community can parrot such cliched profoundness. I'm unsure exactly what Wilber is conscious of, but it seems more than Jordan Hall. But I wouldn't say Wilber is fully conscious of God either. He's conscious of Nothingness which is not the same thing as I'm pointing to. Wilber is not a sacred cow here. He's just a great philosopher relative to Western philosophers, and guys like Jordan and Daniel owe a lot of their knowing to Wilber and the Integral community. They are like Wilber's children. Wilber was smart enough not to get seduced into converting to Christianity and then promoting it across the web. So what does that tell you? Nice try but no. There is no crisis for me here. These people did not understand God, with the exception of Hegel. Their level of understanding of reality is tiny. No! Zizek has no clue what God is. This is intellectual masturbation which is designed to obscure lack of understanding and substance. Zizek is a perfect example of philosophy turned into bullshit. The issue is not that I don't understand Zizek. I do not fully understand his confused mental ejaculations. The issue is that he would not understand me. See, if I fail to understand Zizek, virtually nothing is lost. But if he fails to understand me, Infinity is lost. That's the difference.

@AJBrew you can read NDEs testimony from people who clinically died but doctors were able to bring them back to life in a split second. They all have "seen" the same thing ..a long tunnel with white light at the end and a feeling of serenity and love . What happens after that is utterly unknown. Anything could happen from there ..you could reincarnate into a dolphin or you could become a singularity of pure nothingness forever and ever ..I mean who really knows right ? Luckily we all gonna die in the end and find out sooner or later . So I say no need to rush the answer .let's just appreciate the miracle of life for now .

@Princess Arabia The mind loves to bullshit itself once it has reached a degree of Awakening, it will come up with all sorts of rationalizations and excuse making for not doing the practices and staying disciplined. Once the ego mind gets a little hit on no self or nothingness, it tends to form a spiritual identity and to stop at a certain point of its understanding of reality. No self is good but it's only the tip of an iceberg

So after my last awakening, i've found out what a female is. I no longer have human pleasures or sex, all sex happends within. In my present/past experiences, i had the love of the whole universe on my penis that had this feminine black hole vagina energy. And i can do it on command, if i surrender enough or be able to withstand the ecstasy. Female/Woman is the potentiality outside of god you , it's the other and only half that is the opposite of you but also like you because you are something that is born/exist forever in this nothingness/potential (the female aspect) . You as god and all your creativity/creation exist in this nothingness/potential, when you try something new or seek you will interact with this nothingness/potential/attractor to create a new experience within you. This attractor is the female aspect outside of your creation/creativity/stability or who you are as god, that's why life revolves around chasing woman/attractor. Because this attractor is the beginning of al new creation, it's like the start of love. In simple terms, you exist within the female. That's why woman look for 'stability' it's because you as a man/god are a stable infinite creation aspect within the feminine nothingness/potential.

@Princess Arabia I understand what you mean. i was honestly questioning what you mean because everyone has a different way of putting appearances, nothingness. But Leo streams his insights in a profound way that is very convincing. That's his life purpose.

Imagine a finite physical universe . It has nothing outside of it. Not empty space, but metaphysical nothingness. How could such a universe exist? Have you ever encountered a physical object with nothing outside of it? For something to be physical it must take up space, and must have other objects outside of it. an infinite physical universe seems like it could resolve the paradox, but it doesn't, physical objects can't be infinite. Because infinity can't be counted, can't be made physical . therefore physical reality is not really physical but an idea of consciousness.

Thanks, i also want to write something important to all man. To progress further spiritually within the creation you have to do this first. Don't do yogic asanas because they can lead to hands free orgasms. 1. Resist the female/attractor outside of you, this means no cumming/sex/sexual thoughts , performing all these acts is you giving your energy away to the feminine/nothingness/attractor that sucks it all away like a demon. Your sperm is not what you think it is. 2. Your subconscious creates reality, do this to progress further: write on youtube : chosen one videos , and subscribe to different channels. Watch a new video that comes out everyday and do what they tell you to do like planting a seed by writing in the comments, also watch the spiritual videos that pop up in your homepage on yt Do this for 2 weeks, no interaction/work with anybody. Just only subconscious reprogramming by watching only 1 type of videos. - your reality will shift - you will understand how ego works - can be very scary , but dont fear.

@Princess Arabia What is appearances? What is nothing? What is knowledge? What is energy? How are they related? Are they truth or are they pointers towards that which is? What if our beliefs and definitions of these terms are relative to our interpretation of these terms and what they come to mean for us. Is it possible to go beyond appearances to Absolute Truth? To say that all is appearance seems obvious, but what is the substance of appearance? If ts nothing, then what is nothing? Nothingness is like a womb of pure potentiality and actuality. Nothing is not our ideas of nothing. Anything the mind says that it is, it isn't. But what is this? These are great questions that are serious and profound.

This issue is part of why I have a strong resistance to spiritual work. I have had my entire sense of reality undermined and it instilled me with a deep sense of fear. The main insight that I have been struggling with most is the deeper truth that reality is a dream, an illusion, or a hallucination. My entire sense of physical reality is a construction, and when I become deeply conscious it starts to have a destabilization effect. Sometimes this message is repeated to me in lucid dreams and when I look around the real physical room I get this sense of "This is a fucking dream! What the fuck!" This seems to be the deep extent of self-deception. It seems impossible because everything seems so real yet it is imaginary. This destabilization trauma can be traced back to childhood trauma. It was a sexual incident that happened when I was six, and it had a whole string of trauma responses which shaped the person I became. Part of the destabilization happened when I started lying to myself saying "it was just a nightmare." It was in this moment that I became conscious of my mind's capacity to deceive itself. It drew into question how deeply self-deceived I could possibly be. I started looking around the room with the fear that everything was a hallucination along with my entire life story being a fabrication and with my very existence being drawn into question. In response to this destabilization trauma, I tried to ground myself through a commitment to "truth." I came to believe that I could not love myself without accepting the truth of who I was. I therefore used relative truth as a smokescreen to hide from absolute truth. One example would be "it was not a dream" to ground myself in the face of the deeper truth that reality is a dream. I would go on to use various intellectualizations around which I formed my identity. I would be using relative truth as a crutch to hold onto my sense of reality. As I continued doing trauma work, I began letting go of various intellectualizations that I no longer need. I discovered time and time again that they were means of masking deeper pain even if they were true from a certain point of view. Maybe I cannot love myself so long as I am not conscious of my true nature as God and Love and clinging to material existence out of fear prevents me from awakening to Love. As I tried to use truth to ground myself, I became deeply philosophical. I would make many different theories about reality thinking I was being smart. I started off holding an absolutistic stance around the nature of reality which served to stabilize my sense of reality. As I continued exploring philosophy and truth, I eventually discovered relativism which reintroduced my destabilization. It seemed to imply that all meaning and purpose was relative and not transcendent, which reopened my struggle with meaninglessness. Moral relativism seems a bit scary at first, but it makes perfect sense. Yes its true that somebody could put a gun to my head and say "morality is relative." At the same time you can look all throughout history at religion being used to abdicate the moral high ground while justifying genocide because of the belief that that is what God wanted. I found this a bit destabilizing, but I eventually accepted it. If good and evil are defined relative to perspective or ideology, then it suggests that if Absolute Goodness existed, then it would need to be more foundational than moral judgement. This would need to start with being conscious enough to recognize that moral judgements are imaginary and that I am creating good and evil through imagining them into existence. The more difficult one was the relativity of truth. This undermined my entire sense of reality because it depended on the existence of absolute truth as a correct view or interpretation. This sounded like insanity at first. I eventually came to accept it through epistemic relativism and relativity in logic. Depending on the basic assumptions of any epistemic framework, it will lead to different conclusions which are then held as true. There are also different types of logic like formal logic instead of fuzzy logic. Depending on the situation or how different types of logic or epistemic frameworks are applied, you can reach different conclusions which are valid relative to the underlying framework of the sense making system. This is how I made sense of relative truth, and it suggests that if Absolute Truth exists, then it is more foundational any belief system or epistemic framework. I was actually wrestling with relativity around the same time I discovered Actualized.org. Part of the reason the mind gets stuck on relativism is because it is creating a false sense of acceptance by trying to ground a new sense of reality in the relative truth of relativity. Relativism as an ideology thus becomes an obstacle to deeper levels of consciousness necessary to see Absolute Truth which is more foundational than any perspective. Perhaps I would need to be conscious of how I am constructing true and false in order to make sense of things which would point me to the more foundational Truth. At the end of the relativity rabbit hole, it comes to the truth that reality is relative. For example, material existence is relative to the normal state of human consciousness, but at deeper levels of consciousness you can recognize the non-dual nature of reality and the deeper truth that reality is a hallucination with consciousness being more foundational than material existence. This is the deeper truth that relativism is pointing to, and I haven't fully integrated it because my body, mind, and being are resisting returning to this level of consciousness. There are also scientific reasons to support this radical degree of relativity such as time being relative. Ultimately my entire worldview and my entire sense of reality is relative to my degree of consciousness. As I looked at various spiritual books and started meditating, I eventually had another destabilizing experience. I was listening to an audiobook, Eckhart Tolle's The Power of Now. I listened to various insights and started experimenting with them throughout the book. I listened to it all day, while becoming more and more present. It started becoming a deeply pleasant and happy experience of just being present and existing. As I approached the end of the book, I did a deeper meditation which led to a destabilizing experience. It was like pure nothingness was the foundation of existence. Not only was I nothing, but so was everything else nothing. As pure nothingness, I was one with all of existence, making nothing and everything indistinguishable. As I realized that everything was nothing, I started to realize that reality was an illusion which undermined my entire sense of reality. I had never experienced this kind of consciousness before, and I have become afraid of meditation. According to some of the books I read about this, it takes some getting used to when you first start experiencing absolute nothingness. So these are my examples of destabilization trauma. I have come to realize that I have been using the relative truth of spiritual teachings as a smokescreen to prevent the realization of these deeper truths. I now realize that I don't need these intellectualizations which I commonly use as a defense mechanism in a variety of forms. As I healed various traumas, I let go of various intellectualizations and my mind has become increasingly peaceful and present. It still involves a lot of emotional labor because I am undoing the person I became in response to deep trauma. Currently I feel like I am being left with a sense of not knowing, but at the same time not needing to make intellectual schemes. This mental energy was a previous defense mechanism that I no longer need. They were masking pain. How do you guys suggest going about addressing destabilization trauma? I think this is critical for continuing spiritual work because sometimes it makes you feel like you are going insane.

Insightful article on Buddhist perspective on nihilism.. https://buddhaweekly.com/buddhism-has-nothing-to-do-with-nihilism-and-everything-to-do-with-experiencing-why-emptiness-and-nothingness-are-poor-translations-of-shunyata/

@OBEler @Leo Gura Thank you very much. I honestly don't know yet. I'm still integrating the experience. But it has made a very positive impact. Here are some notes from today. Post Trip: Seeing reality from this new lens made me cry tears of Joy a couple times. I broke up in tears multiple times today, reminiscing the experience from yesterday. How profound and intimate it was.. My God. Looking at the sky and seeing the beauty of this creation makes me feel ways I can't explain. I may be the only being at the center of reality and existence, but I don't feel alone one bit. Perhaps it's because I have not had experiences of nothingness and the feeling of being all alone (experiences as I've read), but this life is truly a masterpiece and that feeling of aloneness feels like a bastardization of the truth that I experienced. I know my journey has just started. I just got a little glimpse. I have only scratched the surface. But oh boy does it feel significant. I understand that this consciousness is all that exists, but it feels complete. The world around me may just be an illusion, but it's divinely beautiful. :') I sometimes just kiss my hand in awe and out of Love towards reality. I have always done that but now the love has grown significantly more. It makes my heart melt just writing this. I am grateful for this life experience. It sure is a roller coaster. Truly the best gift. Special thanks to Leo. You have played an important part in my journey.

I realised Infinite Love is just product of this nothingness to keep me dream again.There is no more fear of experiencing nothingness now.

Where does one begin the search for spiritual truth self-realization called enlightenment? Dr. David Hawkins’ List Below has been calibrated above 500, which is unconditional love. I find this list important, as I do not want to be duped (smile) on my spiritual path by any book or teacher not yet teaching from the conscious level of (500+ which is unconditional non-duality love.) Hawkins’ Consciousness Scale ranges from 0-1000, (1000 is the Highest Level of pure/consciousness humanly possible.) “The great avatars that set the ultimate paradigm of reality and standard of conduct for all of humanity for thousands of years. Of those, the Lords Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, and Jesus Christ all calibrate at 1,000. All the names for Divinity calibrate as Infinity. The revered great sages and their teachings calibrate in the 700 (extremely rare), such Huang Po and Ramana Maharshi.” -Hawkins After being a student of Dr. Hawkins for a while now, I can share with you that I have forever been changed by his love. Although I’m not yet Enlightened I’m certainly on the path and nothing would take me off it, as I have discovered God’s Love is my LIFE. According to Hawkins we, as humans, live at vastly different “levels” of consciousness. All these levels, along with the “truth level” of ANY true/false style inquiry, can be tested for truth and numerically “calibrated” through muscle testing, on a logarithmic scale of 1-1000. According to Hawkins, any person, concept, thought or object that calibrates at 200 (The level of Integrity) or above is positive (“power”); anything below 200 is negative (“force”). So far, so good. Hawkins’ “map of the levels of human consciousness” is highly consistent with most spiritual teachings, running the range from Shame (lowest) to Enlightenment (highest). Hawkins’ descriptions of the levels are accurate; his personal growth coverage , positive energy and similar concepts are spiritually sound. (This is further discussed in Dr. David Hawkins book, Power vs. Force) Below is Dr. David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D. ‘List’ of calibrated Spiritual Teachers/Teachings/Places/Books and Mantras that are over the conscious level of 500 UNCONDITIONAL LOVE: [500] – LOVE This level is categorized by love that is very close to being unconditional, unchanging, and permanent. It does not fluctuate nor does it depend on external factors. Love is a state of being. It is a forgiving, nurturing, and a supportive way of relating to the world. It is not intellectual and does not come from the human mind. Love radiates from the heart Chakra. It has the capacity to life others and accomplishes great feats because of its purity of motive. At this level of consciousness, the capacity to discern essence becomes predominant. The core of an issue becomes the center of focus. As reason is bypassed, there arises the capacity for instantaneous recognition of the totality of a problem. Reason only deals with particulars, whereas Love deals with entireties. This ability, often called intuition, is the capacity for instantaneous understanding without resorting to sequential symbol processing. There is a major paradigm shift in those things, which seemed real, which now seem unreal and vice versa. This level opens to door to benevolence, mercy, and Forgiveness through understanding and nonjudgmental. Only 4% of the entire population of the earth attains this level. Because of the dominating power of light over darkness, one individual at this level counterbalances 750,000 people below the 200 levels. This is the level at which spirituality starts, since below this, individuals are still caught up in the linear world. Also the level of a songbird’s song, cat’s purr, and a dog’s wagging tail. [505] – The level of valor. Also the level of Dante. [510] – The current level of Catholicism. Also the level of the Ganges River, which demonstrates the power of spiritual intention, the power of prayer. It calibrates there despite having sewage from 100 metropolitan areas, all kinds of filth, even bodies. [520] – This level interestingly sees much country music, which may be due to the lyrics often speaking about the problems of the heart, emotionally speaking. [535] – The energy level of Christmas, which is probably due to the common practice of giving gifts to others and having festive celebrations with good tidings. [540] – Joy – At this level, love truly becomes unconditional. It becomes experienced as inner joy. This is not the sudden feeling of joy because of a turn of events. Rather, it is a constant accompaniment in everything the individual does in every moment of his or her life. Joy comes from each moment of existence. This is also the level of healing and spiritually based self-help groups. What has been known as ‘miracles’ occurs when someone is at this level of consciousness. Only 0.4% of the global population is at this level. This is also the level of truth of Christian practice in the 6th century AD. This is the level at which the third eye opens, physically known as the Pineal Gland. Devotional acts calibrate at 540, because of the power of their intention. Includes folding hands in prayer, kneeling to pray, genuflection, praying at the Wailing Wall, turning a prayer wheel, etc. [540+] – From this level upward, it is the domain of saints, advanced spiritual students, and healers. A capacity for enormous patience and the persistence of a positive attitude in the face of prolonged adversity is characteristic of this level. The hallmark of this state is Compassion. [540] – The calibration of the music of George Harrison, on an overall basis. Also the level of Socrates. [540-600] – This level of consciousness is reached after a person has a Near Death Experience, which are spiritually transformative and allowed individuals to quickly get to this level. At this level, the world seems illuminated by the beauty and perfection of creation. Everything happens effortlessly, by synchronicity, and the world and everything in it is seen to be an expression of love and divinity. A Presence is felt whose power facilitates phenomena outside conventional expectations of reality, and often termed ‘miraculous’ by the ordinary observer. The spiritual teachers in this level are the ones who have the most contact with significant numbers of people. At this level, joy leads many to become spiritual and inspirational teachers, healers, great artists, or even architects who create the great cathedrals that involve sacred geometry, great inspirational music, and the production of beauty in all its forms. Many major persuasions of Christianity including Roman Catholicism, Anglicanism, Christian Science, and many small denominations such as the Quakers calibrate on this level. [560] – Carl Jung was at this level. Sigmund Freud was below the level of 500 because of his denial of man’s spirituality, whereas Jung affirmed the spiritual nature of human beings. [575] – The level consciousness of ecstasy. [600]- A Course in Miracles (Workbook year of 365 days of lessons.) According to David Hawkins, ACIM calibrates around 600+, making it very factual, and quite enlightening. Here is what Hawkins says about the Bible: Quote: The Old Testament calibrates at only 190. However, Genesis is at 660, Psalms is 650, Proverbs is 350. If these are excluded then the remaining Old Testament calibrates at only 125. The New Testament calibrates at 640. However if Revelations were removed (calibrates at only 70) then the New Testament would calibrate at 790. The current bible calibrates at 475 as a whole. To make it authentically “Holy” as the title implies, it would have to exclude all of the books of the Old Testament (except Genesis, Psalms and Proverbs) and Revelations. If that were done, then the bible would be truly “Holy” and calibrate at over 740. Importantly, the Lamsa version of the bible (Translated from Aramaic, Jesus’ language) is more accurate than the King James Version (translated from Greek). It calibrates 20 points higher. If the Lamsa bible excluded the old testament (except Genesis, Psalms, Proverbs) and revelations it would calibrate at 810. If Revelations were removed from the Lamsa version of the New Testament, it would calibrate at a whopping 880. Society calibrates at 204 I think he said, with great minds on earth calibrating around 499-510 ranges. So at least according to Hawkins, ACIM is very important and highly relevant work. Hawkins own books calibrate from 850-999.5 ranges them, with 1000 being maximum for humanity – that is what Jesus was when he was walking the earth. Hawkins further says that in his calibration studies, students of ACIM at lesson 75 become “Immune” to negative stimuli. He says that this seems to be the critical point in the studies, but that they must be followed from 1-75 before it all really clicks for people. [600] – Peace – This level is associated with the experience designated by such terms as transcendence, Self-Realization, and Christ consciousness. It is extremely rare. Only 1 in 10,000,000 attain this at any given time. It is quite common that individuals at this level remove themselves from society, as the state of bliss that ensues precludes ordinary activity. Some become spiritual teachers; others work anonymously for the betterment of mankind. A few also become great geniuses in their respective fields and make major contributions to society. These individuals are saintly and may eventually be officially designated as such, although at this level, formal religion is commonly transcended and replaced by pure spirituality, from which religions originated. Bliss intervenes at this level and worldly activities stop, sometimes permanently. This level is also noted for the crossing over from the perceptual world of duality, to the perceptual world of Nonduality. Beyond this level, previous lives are easily remembered as well as the circumstances and significance of each life. One individual at this level counterbalances 10,000,000 below the level of 200. Perception at this level is reported as sometimes occurring in seemingly slow motion, suspended in time and space. Nothing is stationary and all is alive and radiant. Although this world is the same one that is seen by others, it has become continuously fluid, evolving in an exquisitely coordinated evolutionary dance in which significance and source are overwhelming. There is an infinite silence in the mind, which has stopped conceptualizing. Enlightenment is reached at levels 600 and higher. A Tibetan abbot once said that Peace is of the greatest importance in our world today. In the absence of peace, we lose what we have gained. In the presence of peace, all things are possible: love, compassion, and forgiveness. Peace is the source of all things. This is also the level of kinesiology. [605]- The level of the Kabbalah and Aurobindo. It is a set of esoteric teachings meant to explain the relationship between an eternal/mysterious Creator and the mortal/finite universe. [610] – The level of Lao Tzu and his teachings. [630] – The calibration of the phrase Om Namaha Shivaya. [640] – The King James Version of the New Testament. [650] – The Book of Psalms. Also the level of ‘I AM’ awareness and Awareness of the ‘I’ as being or is-ness. Also the level of “Shanti Shanti Shanti”. The Lord’s Prayer also calibrates on this level. [660] – The perception of the Self as simply Existence. [700-1000] – Self-Realization and Enlightenment – An individual at this level counterbalances the negativity of 70,000,000 individuals below the level of 200. This is also the level of Sages. The Self is seen as God Manifest. The Declaration of Independence resonates at this level. The Koran also resonates at this level, as it was written before the fall of Mohamed after he ‘took up the sword’. [700s] – The Aura emanating from individuals calibrating at this level has an attraction and an effect on visitors. They like to be near the presence of these individuals because they feel incredible inner peace. Serenity replaces fear and anxiety in those who are around individuals on this level. A typical statement given by a person on this level would be something like “There is no world to save; reality is just an illusion.” A statement such as this is not understandable to most at lower levels. [700] – The level of the phrase Om Mane Padme Hum [705] – The level of the Rig Veda [700+] – There are 22 sages on this planet who calibrate at this level or higher, according to Dr. Hawkins. Of those, 20 of them are at 800 or more, of whom there are 10 at or over 900, and one sage at 990. [740] – The mantra Om, as opposed to Aum, which is a serious alternation and is why it calibrates at the extremely low-level of 65. This is also the level of the New Testament, if the Book of Revelations is included. This is also the level of Mohamed at the time he wrote the Koran, before dropping to 130 after he ‘took up the sword’ at age 38. ‘I’ is seen as a total statement As the Ultimate Reality. [750] – Manifestation calibrates at this level. What appears to be change is the emergence of potentiality out of essence into manifestation. This is also the level of the Lamsa translation of the New Testament from Aramaic. [760] – Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi [780] – The Heart Sutra and the Lotus Sutra. [795] – Bodhidharma as well as the Zen teachings. [800] – Teacher of Enlightenment. [800s] – There is not much that is known about this level range. However, it is seen that salvation of all of humanity is a main priority and concern. [810] – The level of Ramayana [840] – The Self is seen as Beyond Existence or Nonexistence. [850] – The higher Self as Logos. This is also the level of Hinduism currently. Also the level of Void, Oneness, Nothingness, Reality as Consciousness, and Reality as Awareness. [855] – The level of Allness [890] – Hinayana Buddhism (lesser vehicle) and Zen Buddhism. [800s and 900s] – Salvation of humanity as a whole is of primary concern. Spiritual reality, essences, and understandings are of importance. Form and its details are irrelevant except as a necessary style for communication. Physical discomfort starts to increase quite visibly in these levels of consciousness. [900] – Buddhism was this level in the 6th century AD. The teachings of this particular religion have deteriorated less than any other religion. [910] – The Bhagavad-Gita [930] – the level of the esoteric teachings of Jesus Christ as of the 2nd century AD, some of which survived in the Gnostic texts. “After my departure there will arise the ignorant and the crafty, and many things will they ascribe unto Me that I never spake, and many things which I did speak will they withhold, but the day will come when the clouds shall be rolled away, and the Sun of Righteousness shall shine forth with healing in his wings.” ~Jesus, The Essene Gospel of Peace. [960] – Mahayana Buddhism (greater vehicle). Also the level of Huang Po (his book “Dharma of Mind Transmission” is at the level of the void 850, and was written before Po transcended to 960). [965] – The Buddha’s Law of Dependent Origination or Interdependent Co-Creation. [965] – Transcending the Levels of Consciousness, by David R. Hawkins [970] – The Upanishads The Upanishads -are Hindu scriptures that constitute the core teachings of Vedanta. The Upanishads have exerted an important influence on the Hindu philosophy and were collectively considered one of the 100 Most Influential Books Ever Written by the British poet Martin Seymour-Smith. [985] – This is the level of an Avatar. [990] – There is only one living sage at this level, according to Dr. Hawkins. [999] – The statement “There is no cause of anything” calibrates at this level. [1000] – This is the maximum energy level that can be tolerated by the human body and nervous system. It is the extremely rare level of avatars from ages past. No human has ever existed with a consciousness calibration higher than 1000. The archetypes Christ, Buddha, and Krishna are at this level. This state is also the existence of Buddhahood, Christ Consciousness, At-Oneness with the Source Manifest and Unmanifest. Beyond the human realm of consciousness possibility: [1000+] – Buddhahood, Brahman, Christ, Krishna, The ‘I’ of Ultimate Reality. Infinity – The Source of reality manifest as divinity. The supreme creation Source of consciousness eternal. The Source of all that is. Interesting Facts Concerning consciousness calibration, there are some very interesting facts. * Powerful patterns are associated with health; weak patterns are associated with sickness. Every thought, emotion, word & action has one pattern or the other. Every moment of our day we are either moving towards health or sickness. * Everything calibrates at certain levels from weak to high including books, food, water, clothes, people, animals, buildings, cars, movies, sports, music etc. * A good amount of the music today calibrates at levels below 200. Hence it leads to behavior associated with lower energy levels of consciousness. * Most movies will weaken people who watch them by bringing their energy levels down below the 200 level of consciousness. * 85% of the human race calibrates below the critical level of 200. * The power of the few individuals at the top counterbalances the weakness of the masses. o 1 individual at level 300 counterbalances 90,000 individuals below level 200 o 1 individual at level 400 counterbalances 400,000 individuals below level 200 o 1 individual at level 500 counterbalances 750,000 individuals below level 200 o 1 individual at level 600 counterbalances 10 million individuals below level 200 o 1 individual at level 700 counterbalances 70 million individuals below level 200 o 12 individuals at level 700 equal one Avatar (eg. Buddha, Jesus, Krishna) at level 1,000 * Any meaningful human satisfaction cannot even commence until the level of 250 where some degree of self-confidence begins to emerge. * When one’s consciousness falls below 200 at any given moment you start to lose power and thus grow weaker and more prone to be manipulated by one’s surroundings. * Parts of one’s life will calibrate at a higher level of consciousness while other parts will calibrate a lower levels. It’s the overall average that determines one’s consciousness. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ List of Books – muscle tested by D. Hawkins BOOKS Bhagavad-Gita 910 Vedas 910 Zohar 720 Ramayana 810 Mahabarata 780 Kabala 720 Apocrypha 740 Tora 740 Koran 700 Heart Sutra 780 Lotus Sutra 780 Diamond Sutra 700 Gospel of Thomas 660 Dead Sea Scrolls 650 Book of Kells 570 Vedanta 595 King James bible 475 Lamsa bible 495 Genesis (Lamsa) 660 Psalms 650 Proverbs 350 New Testament (KJ) 640 Lamsa bible (minus Old Testament& revelations, but including Genesis, Psalms, & Proverbs 880 Tibetan Book of the Dead 575 San Hedron 240 Yoga sutras (Patanjali) 630 A Cource In Miracles 600 Book of Mormon 510 SPIRITUAL PRACTICES Christian communion 700 Transcendental Meditation 220 Qiqong 195 Tai chi 310 Hatha yoga 260 Kung Fu 410 Rebirthing 250 Est 400 Sedona Releasing 490 Avatar workshops 245 Seth books 470 Reiki 285 Scientology 195 Rosicrucian 405 Science of Mind 405 I Ching 430 Theosophy 365 Druids 450 PRAYERS AND MANTRAS Lord’s Prayer 650 Om 740 Om Namaha Shivaya 630 Shanti Shanti 650 Om Mane Padme Hum 700 Gregorian Chants 595 Japa 525 Jesus’ Prayer 525 Rosary 515 Prayer of Jabez 310 Cursing (Lord’s name in vain) 45 Damning people to hell 15 Ankh (symbol) 160 Shaktipat Energy 160 SPIRITUAL CONCEPTS “None get to heaven but by me” 940 Eye of the I 900 I (as divinity) 980/998 I (as allness) 990 I (as void) 990 I (as supreme) 1000 Buddha Nature 1000 Justice 380 Justice as “eye for an eye” 375 Theology 460 RELIGIONS BUDDHISM Mahayana 980 Zen 890 Hinayana 890 Lotus Land 740 Tantric 515 Tibetan 490 Won 405 CHRISTIANITY 1st Century 980 After Council of Nicea 485 College of Cardinals 490 Papacy 570 Coptic 475 Born Again 350 Gnostic 290 Modern Protestantism 510 Christian Science 410 Modern Catholicism 440 Jesuit Order 440 Catholic position on pedophelia 90 Amish 375 Quakers 505 Unity 540 Pentacostal 310 Puritan 210 TV Evangelist 205 LDS (Mormon) 390 7th Day Adventist 190 Right Wing fundamentalist 95 Right wing fund. Tv evang. 90 Jehovah’s Witness 195 HINDU Ancient 700 Modern 499 Hari Krishna 460 Subud 470 Sikh 420 Tamal Siddha Vedanta 330 Raja Yoga 485 Sahaj Marg 410 Jainism 495 Islam 700 Current Mohamadism 325 Muslims 205 Shiite Muslims 55 Judaism (modern) 530 Shinto 350 Taoism 500 Unification Church 150 Wicca 160 New Ageism 185 NAMES OF GOD Buddha Nature (as allness) 1000 Buddha Nature (as void) 980 Native American Great Spirit 850 Yahweh 460 Jehovah 205 Elohim 100 God of Old Testament 100 Greek Gods 90 Germanic Gods 90 Scandinavian Gods 90 Gods of War 90 Pagan Gods 100 Name of God as “OM” tests negative God Transcendent 1000 God Immanent 1000 SPIRITUAL TITLES Master 700 Saint 700 Lord 1000 Angels 550 Archangels 50,000 Enlightenment 600 Teacher of the Way to Enlightenment 800 Pope 570 True Guru 540 + Guru (prior to 1960’s) 540 Guru (since the ’60’s) 190 Baba 190 SPIRITUAL TEACHER CALIBRATIONS Avatars Jesus Christ 1000 Buddha 1000 Krishna 1000 Zoroaster 1000 Spiritual Teachers Huang Po 960 Gandhi 760 Mother Theresa 710 Meister Eckhart 700 Chief Detroit 650 Karmapa 630 Muktananda 750 Vivekananda 610 Ramakrishna 620 Rabbi Moses de Leon 720 Nisargadatta Maharaj 720 Ramana Maharshi 720 Ramesh Balsekar 760 Confucius 590 St. Patrick 590 Wallace Black Elk 499 John Calvin 580 John Wesley 360 Martin Luther 580 Dalai Lama 570 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 410 Robert Powell 575 Joel Goldsmith 455 HWL Poonja 370 Wei Wu Wei 475 Charles Filmore 485 Padmasambava 595 Satchitananda 605 Meher Baba 240 Sri Karumay 221 Tenzin Gyaltsen 599 Alice Bailey 445 Vernon Howard 455 Patanjali 660 Peter Ousepensky 335 Robert Schuller 405 Thich Naht Hahn 460 Nostradamus 220 Yogananda 540 Lao Tzu 520 Alan Watts 485 John Blofield 465 Poonjaji 520 Bernadette Roberts 445 Ram Das 420 Chungliang Al Huang 405 C.W. Leadbetter 485 John Bradshaw 460 M Scott Peck 475 Gangaji 475 Joseph Smith 520 Emmett Fox 470 Thomas Merton 520 Hazrat Khan 499 Sant Thahar Singh 315 C.S. Lewis 390 Sri Siva (Sri Guruji) 220 Joseph Campbell 410 Source: Dr. David Hawkins numerous books and seminars including Power Vs. Force and Dr. Hawkins June 28 2003 Sedona Seminar. Gloria in Excelsis Deo! Source: https://nancybragin.com/2012/12/29/dr-david-hawkins-calibrated-reading-list/ NAMASTE

@Butters imo you are neither. You are nothingness. The perception of being the witnesser or the doer are both just sensory experiences imo

He seems to be very wrong. Absolute Infinity could include finitude. It seems to be more fundamental than even nothingness. And you can conceive of a substance you wouldn't be able to pattern-recognize as either nothingness or somethingness, it would be "something else". And you could imagine infinite of these substances and different combinations and interactions or equivalents of interactions. But like, maybe Undefinable Nameless Unnameable is a better term?

It might do you well to try to strawman your awakenings and debunk them and steelman other perspectives. Because I remember in preschool after having seen a galaxy puzzle gazing off into my daydream of a black void, trying to figure out what there is when you go back in time, why that exists, why that exists, why that exists, the insanity that anything exists at all. It turns out the explanation is the existence of the Absolute, and Absolute Infinity, and you can have awakenings of what your consciousness can do, but then trying to strawman them by contextualizing them in the context of scientific materialism or Tom Campbell can have interesting effects. Like the eternity experience is not eternity, it's just a "virtual reality" with a much slower or much faster speed being fed through the computer to create the illusion for the dumb human consciousness that reality has an infinite explanation, when such explanation was never necessary and finite explanation may be all that is necessary. There's the problem with stuff like scientific materialism where it turns reality into parts or a system, and then uses parts or a system to explain the parts or a system without explaining why that stuff exists. Same with Tom Campbell. The absolute nature of reality can appear to fit itself down into the perception of these systems. Reality is able to infinitely run away from itself, and create finitude and debunk the existence of infinity, AND REALLY DO IT, if it's going to properly have the power of infinity. But then the causality or acausality of that can get confusing. From what we've previously known, the moment ten years ago and the moment now should be able to interact or have some connection by infinity or a nothingness that is in both of them, BUT that nothingness may just be another limited thing with Absolutely no relation to the previous moment. Previous understanding is that when you realize nothingness you are just discovering something that was true the whole time, and YET it can be absolutely conceived that ACTUALLY the finite perception was true and required no nothingness. Paradoxes like this. It's not just drugs that cause a temporary infinite increase of consciousness we can't explain though. We can't explain the causality of anything really. After living in the physical world for a long time there's an illusion that you understand why things and objects have motion and color the way they do in the environment the way they do, but this is mostly just pattern recognition of a process we aren't controlling or understanding, since the stream of sensations seems to be fed to us. Like feel like we "know" why we see water when we look at an ocean, but it's just pattern recognition of a complex process of the pixels of color and frames per second of shapes one moment then motioning over to another where we don't directly control or grasp the whole mechanics of this, and why putting your fingers in the water generates a different field of tactile sensations that correlates with a complex nervous system in the fingers is lost on us even as though we may have a scientific understanding of two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom forming water, we don't know why that process has an appearance of being water as we know it in our visual field with the quality of "blueness". Or if atoms always existed and were discovered or were "invented" by the universe to explain what happens when you look that small. Are abstractions real and infinitely connected to all parts of reality on a continuum, or are they evolutionarily generated/imagined as subtle structures by the mind disconnected from the past that existed before? If your question of the drug is a relative question, it's difficult like all relative questions of any scale seem to be. If it's an absolute question you're just asking why anything exists at all, which is a question that can merge with the relative of why any relative system exists at all inasmuch as it is part of the absolute. But then water for instance is not merely so much oxygen and hydrogen put together---the combination is simply a backstory for enabling the sight of a new thing called water and what that new thing really is is quite another matter, to what degree that it exists as a single line independent of other relative systems or is infinitely caused by infinite finite systems or finite infinite systems. It's a mystery of perception or a not-mystery if we allow the finite room to exist and just say that's how it is. From a sort of absolute perspective everything will happen and in reality systems far more bizarre than this human pattern one, so yeah, being in a normal ordinary human state, smoking a drug one day, and then having a literally infinite increase in consciousness---it's statistically unlikely to happen, like infinitely unlikely, but this is accounted for by the absolute, by the relative it does suggest some kind of relative intelligent design. Fine tuning argument. But from the perspective of infinite relativity being real there are infinite relative causalities at all levels flowing/streaming into the circumstances of the drug experience, infinite planes of existence. When you see water that's just the infinite water plane connecting to the infinite awareness you are. When you go to the 5-MeO space that's a plane that has a connection to this one. OR, Tom Campbell is right, in which case drug experiences are just a data feed. Like Mario eating a mushroom.