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Don't Talk about Enlightenment, there are no Enlightened Beings posting here, so how do You talk or discuss something that You have no experienced... There are allot of Awakened People, yes for sure that is why we are all here, something has woken up within Us and we are curious to share and learn, this is all good, but when You talk about things that are not in your experience and above Your level of Awareness it leads You to develop Belief Systems within, identifying with Ideologies and this is not the way imo.. The way has already been firmly established long before any of Us were born, find one that works for You and Your unique Karma and such, follow it and a quality Guru and Your on Your Way.. First get Happy naturally, then talk about other levels of Awareness and Enlightenment, if the Happiness part is not settled then your not even at 0 so no point in discuss level 10 when Your below 0

in this post I am directing focus towards the so called "awakened" materialists, i.e people like daniel ingram, michael taft, artem boytsov, to a certain extend frank yang), with reference to my own subjective experience of awakening im not even nearing enlightenment, but after around 5 years of spiritual practice (2 years of intense practice), it is absolutley clear to me that materialism cannot hold. There are two aspects to this; subjective perception of reality, i.e state of consciousness. From my current level of perception, it is absolutley clear to me that reality is not material, and again, im not "enligthened" at all. The second aspect is the increasing undeniable response from the external world. This in my opinion is the nail in the coffin for the materialist, and the reason i dont understand how you can awaken and maintain materialism, because in my experience, it is undeinable that the "external" world communicates increasingly more intensively as consciousness levels increase, to the point where there is an undeniable interaction between mind and reality. some people call this syncronicities or law of attraction. i generally dont like these terms, as they pose a new age woo woo kind of style, which is not at ALL the intention i want to express, Since we do not fully know the full capacities of the brain, it follows that we are unable to definitively rule out spiritual experiences as a byproduct of brain activity, no matter how intense ones experiences might be. The key to debunking materialism in my opinion, lies in the interplay between mind and the external world, because in proving the oneness of the two (mind and world), materialism is evaporated. As mentioned briefly, during my spiritual journey, what has convinced me thoroughly is not only the obviousness of the truth of the higher states of consciousness, but more so the confirmation that the external world feeds back to you. again, the link between mind and reality is absolutley cruical. during my awakening period, i've experienced several supernatural phenomena such as telepathy, through the web of Oneness (hereby confirming its existence as an external phenomena and NOT merely hallucinated by the brain). This literally happened on my second psychedelic trip ever, and ive experienced it several times since, so how people can go through "Full awakening" and not have experiences like this i dont quite understand. But who knows, maybe its super rare. I've also experienced so called "syncronicities", to the point i'd also label them supernatural (stuff like thinking of a person i havent talked to for six months, and having them text me within the same instant. stuff like this happened MANY MANY times, and intensively increasingly during periods of increased consciousness). Putting the pieces together, i've been getting increasing "syncronicities", to the point where I notice they've been showing up all my life, ever since my birth. The obviousness of the design of life, and the message that life is constantly conveying is becoming undeniable. Stuff showing up in my life today, which is making stuff in my childhood make COMPLETE sense, in an extremely symbolic way, not necessearily in a logical sense, and not stuff like why i became the person that i am. but more so an understanding of an extremely symbolic and poetic, "hidden" communion between myself and the universe, which seemingly has been going on since the start of my life. I would truly love to elaborate on this, but this is the most precise i can get, since this stuff is extremely intricate. i guess you just have to take my word for it haha, there is an undeniable constant communion between oneself and the universe. I want to press that i am not easily convinced at all, and i was a hardcore atheist until 5 years ago where i had my first psychedelic experience. ive always been a proponent of believing in direct experience, and thus a God or higher power seemed illusory and fairy taley until i had my psychedelic experiences. Now, syncronicities and "responses" from the external world does not NECESSARILY mean that idealism is the case, since absolute knowledge cannot be genereated in a relative sense, but it is an extremely strong indication in my opinion, since it is proof of an interaction between mind and the reality that is generated.

I feel this, you aren't alone. I just remind myself I don't know shit. I am not enlightened or awakened. I want to also humble myself if that's okay. I find myself being a Zen devil and it's worrisome. Spiritual understanding can be a massive trap. For example, I would often look externally at the world and judge specific people in my life for their unawareness or "level of consciousness". I would judge them for their unwillingness to entertain/understand spiritual or philosophical topics, or work on themselves in this way. I judged certain behaviors. I judged specific things they'd do which they didn't realize were harmful, towards themselves and others. I judged them for being so judgemental, lol.. So much labeling as "low consciousness behavior" from people that I felt weren't "doing the work" in their lives. Internally I said to myself "I'm doing more work than others to understand the nature of reality" yadadada. Ha. What a bunch of crap. I mean really. What a sick, disgusting, gross narrative I was feeding myself. I felt more disconnected from other people than ever, very isolated. That is my spiritual ego and devilry. I was creating a bunch of divisions and separations of myself and others in my mind- while simultaneously knowing and understanding we are all one, and reality is non-dual through direct experience. But do you really understand this if you can't embody it? If you aren't aware this can be a huge problem. I still fall for this trap but It's most important to turn inward- now when I catch myself judging someone, I notice it, forgive myself for the judgement, then turn that observation inwards, to acknowledge exactly how I am also guilty of behaving in that same way. I tell myself how could I possible judge them for this, when I do that same thing. It does take a level of mindfulness and awareness to catch yourself judging others, then redirect that on yourself. If you're judging others for something you feel you wouldn't do (often the case), you are lacking understanding. Acknowledge the multitude of factors at play in a person decision making without judgement (the level of awareness every individual has, the inherent self bias and survival mechanisms at play, the history and upbringing of this person and how that has affected their sense of self and worldview, etc). All of this has affected the individuals behavior and decision making. Most people have no idea the path they are on, and you aren't perfect either. I still struggle with this. But my life has gotten a lot better with bringing awareness to the nature of these thoughts, catching myself and shifting inward. I just don't have these thoughts as often. Good vs. evil are not real on an existential level. But the purpose of the understanding is to train yourself to not fall for the trap of running around trying to fight evils of the world, thinking you are the good guy. There is a paradoxical trap there. Trying to do good in the world can sometimes contribute to divisions. The lesson is not that going out and doing evil shit is okay, or just over indulgence in whatever habit is okay... it may not be evil in an eternal, existential sense, and it may not matter in an ultimate sense, but it is deeply out of alignment with you and your true nature. The worst part about traps is that sometimes you are aware of them, but still fall for them. It's a pitfall of taking lessons from Leo (or other teachers) without coming to the conclusions naturally on your own. Sometimes you think you fully understand the lesson when you really don't. Laziness is also a factor here. It's up to the listener to be introspective on whatever topic in their own time. Some of these are pretty deep understandings. You may know reality is non-dual. You may know whatever spiritual truth. But if you only know it because someone told it to you, it doesn't matter. No spiritual understanding matters unless you try to embody it every day and know it to your core. And some things might be way more important than understanding the deepest spiritual truths- more basic practices. Just practical, basic self-help stuff is what is often needed most (exercise, eating healthy, dealing with emotions, self-confidence, self-forgiveness, mindfulness practice, developing a healthy yoga and meditation practice, and many many more) The more I meditate, the better I am at being aware and fixing these tendencies, and not falling for traps. But I am often astonished by the nature of ego and its tricks. I wonder if I have some ego problem, or if this is just how most people are. Basic healthy practices, practicing love, and being selfless is going to be more beneficial for me than incredibly deep understandings. This was a big realization for me. Sometimes we forget about the basic stuff as we spend a lot of time trying to put into words, conceptualize, and understand the ineffable. Forgive yourself brother, we know you have good intentions.

Think of reality as a very large number of energies you need to process. There is no duality in energy, its just energy. If you process all the energies below the causal you will be awakened. Processing naturally happens through experience, or consciously happens through meditation.

According to Alice Bailey and my knowledge of time lines, Christianity is dying out currently. Stay with me here, because there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Its antiquated, and Jesus teaching are too simple and the way they are presented are too dogmatic for the majority of humanity at this time of evolution. However as Alice Bailey explains there will be a resurgence, about 70 years from now, dont ask me how I know. The resurgence will put the religion in line with ancient teachings, but also it will be a doorway for teaching humanity about that which lies below the physical energies. Below the physical energies is the construction of consciousness and body consciousness. Its closely related to some tantra and mudras etc. Eventually there will be servers who use the catholic church in particular as a vehicle in order to teach humanity realities below the physical energies. Those servers will essentially outshine Jesus, who was just awakened before he got put on the cross where he became enlightened. By physical energies, I mean the manifestation of 'miracles' which is not really miracles, its just spiritual science that anyone can develop if they are pure enough and strong enough one-pointedness. But that is the future of Christianity, basically needs an evolution overhaul. And it will, just before it dies =)

I have wondered in the darkness For a very long time Searching for the Truth My entire life And I found myself deep inside In the darkest forest of my mind.

I think there is a time and place to have this sort of Realization, what You say above is for sure I think an Ego destroyer, but if we plan on staying here on Earth to do Earthly work while our Inner World is fully Awakened or Enlightened, then we need not have to destroy the Ego, just stop identifying with it. But its true, in the fundamental essence of Reality and Life, we are just speks of dust, we are here in the blink of an eye, less than that compared to the age of the Universe, so no matter what we do, it is very short lived and its true soon after Your physical death most will forget You lol, but our Ego luv's the Legacy thing and it strives for it today, the only thing to do about it is to Enjoy it to the Fullest I think... Its a very weird situation we are in as Human Beings, lots of complex but simple things going on, opportunities galore are here for us to reach unseen Potentials, lots of pitfalls too. I agree God/Absolute is all about Intelligence of a sort that we know little of, unless Your Awareness is super high, everything is really a Miracle of sorts, but we take it for granted mostly, so strange this place called Earth and everything in it!

"When I criticize a sistem, they think I criticize them - & that is of course because they fully accept the system and identify themselfs with it" Thomas Merton When you tell people that eh entire political system is rigged and voting is just another act of consent to give your power away, the cognitive dissonance is too strong and you you´re intantly written off. The system itself have a immune response that works througth people. Eevn those who are "awakened" or "truthers" Free thinking is seen as a virus within the system. It will be attacked instantly because the survival of the system depends on our participation. In our society, the immune response attack is typicaly directed towards ones character. is not that people dont see it. is that they have to reamain in denial about it otherwise the entire facade falls away. The implications of facing the truth of this world will be too grand for many to handle. Imagine being so limited in your understanding of Self and how this game works, that you really belive voting for a puppet in a rigged system will change the said rigged system. "In politics nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way " Franklin D Roosevelt

You, the conceptual self, the human identity would cease existing, you as infinity and as God would continue eternally. If you woke up fully, the dream would end by definition, but that doesn't mean you would end, you would still be what you already are- God, just not dreaming anymore. Pure infinite love. So in that sense you could misunderstand me. Start identifying as infinity because you are eternal. But the "you" typing here on the computer here would stop. You, your body, the computer are all being imagined by you- which is not external from you, but is you. The great I Am. God is infinite. If you are aware you are imagining this realm, the dream still exists as you are still encompassed in the dream. That is what most people mean when they say they are awakened to the Truth- they are aware they are dreaming. If God were to fully wake up, he may decide to go back to sleep and imagine your life again. Or imagine himself somehow else. Upon physical death I believe everyone gets to experience a difficult barrier followed by bountiful love. Nobody ever truly dies, because you never truly existed. You are infinite and divine. But to be fully awake would mean the dream of who you are here stops. I am only trying to parse what I have experienced through ego death with psychedelics. I don't know anything. You can wake up fully while on psychedelics- physical reality will completely stop existing and the ego along with all false boundaries disappear as you stop imagining "reality". Eventually you decide to go back asleep because you like the dream and enjoy dreaming.

Do you mind elaborating? If we are living in a reality being imagined by consciousness or God, to truly awaken from the dream for good means something different than carrying a level of high awareness "awakened state" with you in your daily life on Earth (becoming construct aware of things like ego, awareness of self-bias, false dualities, end of beliefs, aware that you are in a dream, etc.) If God truly woke up in this sense, the dream would stop. It feels like there is a distinction to make between being "fully" awake and lucid dreaming (awakened state). Thinking you are fully awake seems highly self-deceptive to me. I am open to hearing other interpretations... @Leo Gura

I would love to get everyone's opinions on the realities of finding a highly conscious partner as a young person. I'm 23 yrs old but I've been doing this work earnestly for many years, and I've gotten decently far for my age. However, of course, it's rare to find anyone in their 20's who takes this stuff seriously. I seem to run into two situations when I'm talking to a girl I'm really interested in: I meet some girls who are into spirituality, but it's more of a new-age pop spirituality. Moreover, I find that most women I meet in this group often have a lot of trouble with really basic maturity, like managing their finances, developing emotional intelligence, and communicating well. I meet some girls who are super mature on a character level and I have great chemistry with, but they have absolutely no interest in spirituality... and my dedication to spirituality is confusing/frightening to them. I know that the deeper I get into this work, the bigger the rift is going to be between me and the people in my age group when it comes to spirituality. I've done the pickup thing and I've also gone to tons of spiritual events in Austin, TX where I live... and the only dates I go on end up in one of those two groups. I generally have no problems attracting a partner, but it would be so much easier to get along in a long-term relationship or marriage if we both have those same values. I really genuinely would like to get married and have kids someday, but this is leaving me wondering - should I just settle for someone who I get along with on a personal level even if they don't care too much about spirituality or just practice new-age pop spirituality? It seems to me that I could spend years pounding nightclubs and hippie events and still never find someone in my age group who is going to take this stuff seriously. Not just as a hobby or a couple of yoga classes - but genuine spirituality and awakening... aka cares about and experiences the shit our boy Leo talks about. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts on this! Super grateful for this community and for Actualized.org!

Awakening to yourself as God is not the same as awakening to perfect self-love. For example you can reach a unitive state where you awaken to everyone being you and can have a temporary awakening into Perfect Self-Love. But to have a permanent awakening you need to do the following thing. 1. You need to clear your Chakras, all the way from the root all the way to the Crown Chakra. 2. After clearing your Chakras you need to be energy sensitive enough to connect to your heart chakra until you find your inner voice. To find your inner voice your throat chakra needs to be clear. Your heart chakra is the key to the kingdom of God. The voice of the God/Absolute within you is found in the heart chakra. This is where Infinite Love/Perfect Self Love rests. 3. Your Crown Chakra is how you connect to the Collective Consciousness where Infinite Intelligence Resides. If you open your crown chakra and are not ready to deal with the infinite voices, visions, etc. that comes from the Collective Consciousness it can drive you mad. So be careful with this one. 4. The key to your journey will be faith, you need to trust your synchronicities, you need to trust your resonance, the purpose of your life is to unite your intelligence with your heart. This is the beginning of inner wisdom, because now your mind can communicate with the source of your authenticity which is your heart. 5. The heart never judges you, the heart always accepts you, the heart does not care about your personal survival, it cares about the collective survival of all. Your mind only cares about your personal survival. If you do not jailbreak your mind (which is how you open your crown chakra) then your ability to expand your perspective to a universal perspective cannot happen. You will have a close/small mind and will be unable to see outside your perspective. This is a terrible state of affairs because you will be short sighted, quick to anger, and unconscious to the truth of what you and life is. You will scheme and manipulate your way and will never reach true happiness which comes from complete SELF ACCEPTANCE. Both the individual and collective self. For me to reach this permanent state, I had to be broken ALL THE WAY DOWN. I am currently from a survival stand point at rock bottom currently. Pretty much everything that can go wrong as gone wrong and yet....THIS HAPPENED. So its paradoxical, I discovered the true meaning of why we are here by having my social dignity stripped of me. Also I cannot stress this again. You will NEVER achieve perfect self-love through demonization of the ego. Demonization of the ego is a trap. I will say it again. IT IS A TRAP. Demonization of the ego= Self-Hatred. YOU CREATED your ego, if you created an ego dedicated towards love over personal gain then you will not fall for this. If you created an ego dedicated to personal gain then you will hate your ego. The key to life is to realize that while personal gain is nice, nothing beats love. When you only seek the personal at the expense of the collective your punishment is self-hatred. Why? Because whatever you do to another, you are doing to yourself. This is an ABSOLUTE. You have never hurt another, only YOURSELF. You have never judged another ONLY YOURSELF. All this is merely words, you will have to walk the path but I will give a couple tips that will blow your mind. 1. If you demonize ANYTHING you are walking counter to the path. With that said discernment is not judgment. Many people get this mixed up. Discernment says that is not for me and here is why it is not for me. Your heart does not engage in discernment only the mind. When they connect an inner conversation takes place. Your mind says what it likes and doesn't like but is taught how to lovingly express its preferences while also being encouraged to consider a much wider perspective. 2. It is impossible to waste your time because once you make a concerted effort to walk the path EVERYTHING is going to serve you and I do mean EVERYTHING. 3. This concerted effort to walk the path must come from an authentic deep seated desire to unlock the kingdom within you. 4. I had no idea what I was doing with my chakra system and did a lot of foolish stuff. But I was protected and ultimately cleared out and connected the whole system. I now understand what each chakra represents intuitively. Here are some traditional Spirituality Traps. 1. Spirituality likes to demonize human expressions of nature i.e. technology as inferior to the forest or the woods. This is a trap. I literally broke through USING technology. For example video games and online Satsangs and Leo's own videos all were important for my work along with psychedelic trance videos as well, and chakra music. 2. Porno was helpful as well, it allowed me to heal sexual trauma that I was unaware that I had. In fact porno actually supercharged my awakening process as I was able to wake up faster using it as a tool. If you use it excessively though it will cause an imbalance in your chakra system. 3. After you break through all you need to do is follow your inner guide your inner Guru and enjoy and share your love. That's it!!! Finally!! I thought sober Unity Consciousness was enough, I didn't know there was a higher level beyond that.

Awakened person cannot spot his own self #jokes #I'llseemyselfout

too busy sitting in the same place everyday on my computer expanding my awareness. This is a very rare short time where we have internet use it. Expand knowledge non stop. If you are awakened it does not matter we are gathering information for God.

Maybe Very interesting indeed..Don't even know if the perspective "awakened people spotting each other" fits, or fits for all interactions that are somehow special. For me, I don't know who or what exactly is communicating with me. I had so many completely random encounters - I mean really super random stuff - that appear too random to me to be simply random. Recently, I watched Leo's episode where he talks about God as a "shapeshifter". Don't want to go too deep in rationalizations and explanations, but sometimes it feels as if someone is just greeting me, sometimes helping me, sometimes making jokes, sometimes challenging me. Maybe my mind is making this up to entertain itself, but for me some interactions with people are just different then others. Example for super random stuff so that you get an idea what I am talking about:I sit in a club on a couch, simply listening to the music and watching people dance. A guy comes to me, never seen him before. No connections to him at all. Calmly, relaxed he sits next to me and says: "You and me, we both already fought battles together in the medieval times". He said it as if we knew each other. He said it without me detecting any trace of irony, or joke, or sarcasm. He simply said it as if it was a fact. The way he said it I don't even felt like asking questions or responding. I just said there for a some time and processed what he just told me. I think after a while I talked to him a bit, but I was not sober so I don't remember exactly what I said or how he responded. But I DO remember very clearly that first interaction. In case you have doubts, there were friends with me that saw me with him I am not making this up it really happened

Awakened people probably can sense each other, but I don't think it'd apply to your average level of awakening. For example, Adyashanti was asked this exact question in an interview, and his answer indicated that he could perhaps interpret a person's awakening based on a conversation, but not via mystical means. I mentioned this before in another thread, but I don't think it got a lot of attention. Awakening alone doesn't seem to be a free ticket towards developing your full range of capabilities as a human. It could almost be considered a separate branch of development, though the two obviously share a connection in terms of relating to the spiritual domain. Ishanga hinted at it above. There is an entire energetic system that can be consciously controlled to perform what would seem to be miracles to the uninitiated. But rather than being some mysterious mythical fairy dust, it's an expression of the metaphysical laws of nature relating to human physiology, which would no doubt be scientifically verifiable and understood to an appropriately advanced civilization. I also think you're on the right track in terms of enhanced communication of an energetic type occurring through the eyes. That seems to be part of how it's done. So if you're atypical in your unconscious development of this kind of thing, and so is this other fella, then what you're asking is not impossible. Though I couldn't say for sure whether it's actually true in this case.

Here you can find my summary of Pointing out the Great Way/Mahamudra, based on how it developed for me, written in my own words based on my experiences/milestones: Which funnily developed pretty much like the book describes. So it was fascinating for me that the experiences developed very much in line how they were described for centuries in the Tibetan Mahamudra-tradition, delivered by a book of several hundred pages of descriptions. Talking about a sophisticated complex meditation system.... One of the main milestones, after which it continued developing, was the blue marked part below. That happened after around 10 years of meditation (which was not as efficient as possible (quite inefficient actually, that is why it took so long), since I didn't get a lot of stuff right straight away, and had no direct teacher). That milestone is where the awakened and nondual states starts to develop after some time. Afterwards I was hooked, and used all the other tools (like the always here timeless nature of the mind, its infinite and boundless and nondual nature, and finally its impersonal nature in stage 4) for developing Nonduality in Yoga of One Taste (stage 3 Mahamudra), and developing these nondual awakened states towards the pure impersonal and totally unseparated nature, conforming to the Reality of the enlightened Mindstream (stage 4, Yoga of Nonmeditation). Then Enlightenment can happen, but can't be forced. Enlightenment is an accident. Yoga of Nonmeditation makes very (!) accident-prone. On the path are I would say between 5-10 major cul-de-sacs or mistakes one can make, which can either be overcome with applying the right technique of Mahamudra/Dzogchen (or non-concentrative meditation), or with hardcore concentrative meditation (which works without all this sophisticated technique, but is as hard to pull off (discipline, hours on the pillow needed) as we probably all know. That is why we see more "Natural/ or enlightened-by-accident ones" and hardcore concentration meditation enlightened ones (Ingram, Yang, Burbea and the Theravada & Zen crew), but very few Mahamudra/Dzogchen enlightened ones, since that sophisticated system has not been planted fully in the West. I see its potential, and consider that (combined with psychedelics) as the future, since few people can actually pull of the natural style (by definition), or the hardcore concentrative meditation style. So lets see... And if that is not enough, here is some more of the Sales-by-the-River: https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=Pointing out the Great Way &author=Water by the River Bon Voyage, good luck, and if you have further questions let me know.

Because the state of cessation (or the dissolution experience) tends to reduce grasping/attachment because it partly frees from the "grabbing/grasping" character of the egoic mindstream after having had that state/cessation for a number of times. In short, it makes life easier and suffering/grasping less. But it doesn't provide full liberation/the potential for Full Enlightenment. The ideal of early Buddhism was the escape to these states of cessation, the more permanent the better. Permanent Niroda = permanent dissolution = Nirvana = No more rebirth. With Mahayana, the Buddhist Traditions broke through to true Nondual Enlightenment. Leos God-Realization, see the God-Realized approved Supreme Source for example, link above. Sounds a bit different than cessation/dissolve/die and get off the wheel of Samsara/Niroda/bye bye forever? Oh yes... Why? Because Absolute Truth is always right here. Never can not be here. Why shut it all down when IT is always right here? When the suffering/grasping clouds of the separate-self/ego are structurally dissolved (Full Enlightenment), and not just temporarily switched off via cessation, Infinite Nondual Impersonal Being replaces the separation/grasping/suffering of the ego in daily life. And the Sat-Chit-Ananda aspect of it (Bliss/Love/Compassion/Nondual Awakened Awareness) is off the charts. Trust the Salesman by the River. Caveat Emptor is good, but sometimes there is enough good Karma to just buy the right "stuff". by the River So no need for dissolution afterwards... Mahayana philosophy is a totally "different beast" than early Buddhism/Hinayana. For example: https://www.psychedelicsangha.org/paisley-gate/2019/5/8/the-supreme-array-scripture-a-psychedelic-stra-for-buddhist-psychonauts-pp3zz#:~:text=Composed sometime around the third,cosmic vision of the universe. In Mahayana, Enlightenment is not the end/extinction/cessation/dissolution, but the beginning of the caterpillar having turned butterfly, expressing its enlightened intention not only in this life/bardo, but also in future ones. The whole Reality then goes like "Oh nice, one more for the team"... A whole chain of being of enlightened beings (human, alien, ET, Buddha-Field Creator/Sustainer/and so on) fits into the manifested Infinity of Infinities of Infinite Being. See the WbtR 2x2 matrix of enlightened & or merely awakened Aliens & Humans. Its a totally different and much more positive worldview than Early Buddhism, which was more like "die, cease and get off the wheel". Would be a lot of effort on creating humans via an evolution of billion of years and then getting rid of the gig asap., don't you think? Chris Bache in "LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven" called the visions he had been shown of the future evolution of humanity a growth towards what he called the Diamond Soul, a magnificent destiny for the species. And since even that isn't the end, its Infinity up the Chain of Being... well, mucho adventure ahead. So it seems that at some point, Leo gets to become his n+1 AWAKE Alien permanently. Hopefully, he doesn't take to many detours on the way there. Being reborn automatically as n+1 "Infinitely consciousness" awakened Alien is not guaranteed, but earned and developed towards. Soul, Karma and such. Not that the suicides influenced by certain inadvertantly & flippantly irresponsible teachings/statements say "hello" in a less than amused way after he has left his current bodily-vehicle. So in summary, early Buddhism doctrine just didn't reach Full Enlightenment. At least in its doctrine/philosophy. It reached causal states, but not truly impersonal nondual/fully enlightened ones. There have been Nondual Realizers for sure between "the Buddha" (aka time the doctrine was formed)" and the Nondual Breakthrough towards Infinite Reality/ Infinite Being that happened first with Nagarjuna and his Middle Way/Madhyamaka doctrine/philosophy, but the doctrinal break occured with Nagarjuna towards Middle Way, and later Yogachara/(Infinite) Consciousness only. Selling non-extinction of the River by the River for the River by The River

We Don't need anymore teachers and ppl that explain things, there's too much of that already, it creates mass confusion as when ppl doing become curious about Spirituality and want information there's too much conflicting info out there, everyone is trying to be unique and promote but it creates chaos.. We need less teachers, as the info is already out there, the methods needed to awaken are already available to the mass variety of ppl and personalities that are on the planet, for every unique human being there already is a way to Wake Up, and these methods/teachings have been around for millennia.. What we do need more of is what I said before, be the Awakened One, Live it Live today in real time, people will notice it and may become curious about those sorts of ppl, how they respond to life, how they are within themselves, how they empower all life around them rather than sucking the life out of life around them, that is what we need more of in this world, not more Teachers...

Well, if you're looking for something revealing that would give that out, then you're discerning people based on how you feel they fit into social groups. You're creating an image of how certain people look and behave based on what they do, who they are or what they study. An awakened person could or could not have those characteristics that you're looking for. There's nothing discerning about someone who's waking up or not. You're looking, which means the process above. It's how the ego mind works.

@Shodburrito if I'm reading this correctly, you're saying in no uncertain terms that you've permanently awakened, right? Would you be willing to go into more detail about the process that led you there? And maybe provide a clear definition of what you mean by "awakening"? I resonate with large chunks of your post, but the humdrum attitude towards spiritual pursuits just seems a bit strange to me. I get that in the eternal grand scheme of things, it's probably meaningless, but I'd still rather actively work towards a more conscious existence than be a crack addict on the streets for example. Though I'm not awakened, so it's possible I just can't understand.

From your perspective it is. From my experience it is cool, but not that life changing after the dust has settled. I realized that the only thing to do is to pursue what I enjoy. I think most people, including myself until recently, believe that there is something we must do in this life. For people who pursue spirituality a lot of the times it comes across that we should become more loving or help others. It can be a variety of other things, but it is wrapped up in an idea that there is an objective purpose to existence. If I don't meditate x hours a week, believe x ideas, and live a certain way I am not awakened. People package awakening that it is a great thing that can happen. I think its value is highly overstated. The only real way my life has changed after pursuing awakening i that I am conscious on a deeper level of why I do things. I used to act unconsciously on desires without knowing any of the biases operating the steering wheel behind my life. Spirituality made me believe, and I think a lot of others too, that these biases are bad and should be removed. But, I have recently realized that thinking this way is just as subjective as the biases. So I have now adopted a lifestyle where I simply try to embody the purest form of my existence. I simply do what I enjoy and exist the way I enjoy. In fact, my life is, in many ways, similar to the way it was 4 years ago before I started philosophy/spirituality. The difference is I realize the absolute relativity of my beliefs and everyone elses, and I am making a conscious decision to experience the things I enjoy, rather than let them unconsciosuly control me. I do not think many people here can relate or understand what I am saying because they have not awakened to the fact that awakening is only relatively better than staying asleep. Most people pursue awakening because they think it will be genuinely better than many other things they can dedicate their time to. I think that many also believe that it would be a great thing for other people to pursue awakening too. Now that i see how this is as relative as any other value judgement, I have come to accept that there are many other things I enjoy more than experiencing the bliss and peace of no mind. Awakening has significantly reduced the suffering I experience in life, but now that the dust has settled, I realize that there are many other things I genuinely enjoy more than letting go and experiencing peace. It is not that I cannot return to that state to enjoy it also, but that I have many other things which I would rather do.

@Nivsch You are probably branding me as some extremist, which believe me, I am totally not. But I like your reply and I want to let you know where you misunderstanding and why am i acting the way I act. I totally get where you are coming from and the way you are trying to operate is at the higher stage, I can see that, look i am doing a lot of deep spiritual work and awakening, i am not a fool. I know you want to see good in every person and I see that you gave a chance to watch Owen Jones based on his tone that he is perhaps neutral. You need to understand, there are radicals at low vision, which those who think say the same and there are intelligent people at low vision. They can be as antisemitic as the radicals, but they speak nice, polite, dont show their anger, but operate at the same low level of development. They could care less about the other side in anything, in this particular case, they can be deeply antisemitic, but they will market their idea in a very subtle and nice way. Look, a truly awakened person, for the most part, would not even speak about this topic. Most humans operate at a low level, your replies fall on deaf ear, but Ia m sure you understand this. So if this is the case, why not act on a primitive level, at least you say straight up then going in circles. Thats why I say what I mean. I can do the same thing, speak intelligently, throw some deep words while keep the same meaning, or speak on that primitive level where others would just easily understand me. See if you get it. If you would visit a kindergarten, you would speak with them on a very low human development level, because they simply would not understand you otherwise.

What a cool description. I have been thinking of experimenting with Salvia again (only did it a few times, 5x extract), your report awakened my curiosity. Cheers on handling it with such mastery 👏

"I'm In pain everyday all day "-Leo that truly broke my heart 😥 This thread is for all but for our dear @James123 and our beloved @Leo Gura as well specially . awakened saints from thousands of years ago like buddha for example happen to awaken mostly in hardship. And in fact most people awaken when they are completely broken.. isolated..alone..has lost everything whether that be in the material and emotional sense. It's so a person has no other options BUT to turn inward.. to reflect.. and BUT to look to some type of higher power. That's when our soul peaks through our ego because we've done NOTHING but abuse ourselves through all the trials and tribulations that our higher supreme has put on our pathway...because of our ego our self .the devil as Leo says is YOU .the self .the ego. Its resistance to reality .if you accept reality unconditionally you will be awakened and at peace . Leo shits on this and laugh because of his autoimmune disease or whatever but please Leo don't lose hope. You are a wise person .you should know by now that suffering is nesscary to cut through life's delusions and wake the hell up spiritually. When we allow ourselves to break out of the negative as hell poor me victim roles that EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING ON THIS PLANET HAS SUFFERED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER..and view life's uncomfortable moments as “lessons” that our soul is meant to be given..and meant to grow from.. and be ACTUALLY GRATEFUL for these things.. that's when you know you're on the right track. When you stop judging reality to good and bad because YOU HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE..that's when you're experiencing spiritual awakening. When there's a peace within you..no matter what events seem to take place in your life..and you can see life as beautiful still..you're on your way. Hang in there brother . Much love and best wishes for James and Leo 🙏