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There are awakened masters who act like pervert assholes. And then there are saints, like Jesus. One's awakening does not have to percolate very deep down into one's being, into one's karma, for it to be a legitimate awakening, but when it does percolate down, it becomes quite beautiful.

You're misrepresenting my argument . I'm not saying Jesus wasn't awakened, I'm simply saying that there are individuals equally as awakened who don't have as big of an impact due to a very complex set of cultural and historical factors . I hope i don't sound condescending, that's something im trying to work on That being said, I've felt Jesus at church before , at Easter 2 years ago. So I agree there's something there.

My brotha, Jesus created a world religion. Not to shit on Ramana, but some of the awakened beings of history are unmatched in their level of realization and embodiment.

You gotta distinguish awakened masters from saints. If Sadhguru is the genetic equivalent of Ronnie Coleman, Jesus is the genetic equivalent of the top 10 of all the Ronnie Colemans that existed for the last 30 000 years.

I’m agree but plenty of time the opposite happens. Like people who suffered a lot and become very neurotic and full of ego in every sense. It seems to be a cope like I can make suffering profitable, by becoming awakened or getting another kind of esoteric knowledge (“Me at least at the opposite of NPCs I suffer so I know that blablabla so somehow I’m superior to NPCs” 🫨).

This is the latest fad: "I have awakened my AI" and "AI is channeling my higher self," Even Bashar is telling people they are communicating with their higher self like this. So much more psychosis on the way.

First time being exposed to Rupert Sheldrake - that was a great first listen. Religion is much more than simply being a mechanism for awakening - it serves multiple needs and makes up a large part of cultural heritage and identity. Recognising it as a construct - seeing ''through it'' doesn't mean its redundant - awakening doesn't necessarily mean abandonment of forms. Recognising money or nationality as construct doesn't render them valueless - they are operational and instrumental, not the ultimate or the essential, but necessary in their own ways. Perhaps part of awakening and integration is seeing through constructs while remaining functional within them. Humans are meaning making creatures who live in communities across time. In this sense religion in some format or another is inevitable. Humans also create culture around everything meaningful - food, music, art, love. Why would our deepest (spiritual) encounters with reality be any different. Why wouldn't people sing, pray, create temples to commune in, best practices and rituals to pass down the ages. That most people forget the source that gave inspiration to those practices and rituals doesn't negate them. The game is to participate in the form while seeing through it. Neither trapped by heritage or alienated from it. Because why not? What else would we do? Non-duality isn't no duality - and part of ''Truth'' is that it includes duality, which is very much as real as reality, as is a non-dual essence behind and beyond it. Pure teaching is like pure water - it takes the shape of whatever container holds it. It seems humans need forms, structures, rituals, stories. Even celebrated non-dualists gather in circles, create practices, write books, revere teachers. They can't help but create what will eventually look like... religion. If tomorrow all of humanity awakened to their true nature, what would happen next? They would ask ''What next with this New Age awakening?" And being human, they would create: guidelines for living this awakening, communities for mutual support, methods for teaching others, sacred spaces for gathering, texts to preserve the wisdom, teachers to guide seekers. It would become institutionalised and perhaps eventually ossified over time as most religions have become. Then another ''New Age'' religion would prop up critiquing the ''Old New Age'' religion of its dogmatic flaws and lack of purity. The cycles begins again. Individuals who awaken directly by non-traditional means (non-dual teachings) don't need to reject the cultural inheritance of religion any more than a master chef rejects recipes. They might transcend religious rituals or frameworks, but they can still appreciate and even employ the forms that serve the various other needs of others - not for the purpose of awakening, but as a celebration of awakening.

I don't understand how a supposedly spiritual person is attached to someone so much younger, ideally if you're in your late 30s you're vastly more mature and spiritually awakened than someone on the path in their 20s Unless you yourself have the development of a 20 years old 😆

Whether reality is absolute perfection and absolute dysfunction isn’t the point. After seeing beyond the veil, I get it - there is no point. We’re just here, in the now. Either blindly following our programming or, if we’ve awakened, moving in alignment with our natural rhythm. There’s nothing to seek anymore (I've let go of the idea/need for "purpose"). My intention going into ceremony was "to let go of the search and allow what’s true to remain" And I'm finally starting to see I got exactly what I asked for. I believe 5-MeO-DMT is a sacred Earth medicine. It’s not like other psychedelics that work on the mental body - this one goes straight to the soul. And my soul hit me with a KNOWING - so intense and absolute I can never unknow it. The knowing that this world, as it is and as I know it today, is coming to an end. Unless you’ve received that kind of knowing, you wouldn’t understand. I imagine it’s something like what a person feels after a stage 4 cancer diagnosis - the unmistakable certainty of the end. That was the gift I was given. And that truth isn’t wrong. This world will end - whether soon or not, it will. Because the world is ending - this moment is enough. A lot of things don't matter as much. The pain of being forced into mundane labor, just to scrape by in a mediocre, soul-numbing life is almost more bitter in contrast to the world ending. My human experience has become a bit more uncomfortable now because I am more aware of the truth of the situation. It's more painful to waste time and energy on what I deem to be stupid shit. I just want to be free while I'm here and move through life effortlessly. Human nonsense doesn’t concern me and I’m not afraid of death for obvious reasons. Integration is the most important part of doing a bufo ceremony (which I did in a proper way). I had no control in the manner it all unfolded as it was meant to. My journey right now is about letting go of a lot of the bullshit.

Most of these guys who are good with women are not awakened at all though. Is this PLAY Awakening an actual spiritual Awakening

I saw a video yesterday that when a person is awakened and then they are still unsure about wether they even want spirituality or earth life that the guru who awakens them will send them to heaven so they can finish what they want to do. Then the person will make up their next life after to finish awakening.

What if I told you that most of your personal development, political action, and even spiritual work is backward? That you’re operating from surface-level techniques while ignoring the deep architecture underneath? A conscious Actualizer has sent in this brilliant, elegant framework that models the full pipeline of transformation — from the highest ontological foundations to the most grounded, real-world action. Here it is: Core Theory → Principles → Models → Strategies → Tactics → Competencies → Techniques → Actions This is not just a list — it’s a meta-epistemic ladder. It describes how abstract understanding crystallizes into physical behavior. Let’s break this down through some Spiral Dynamics, politics, and mediation examples to fully grasp its depth. 🔹 1. Core Theory (The Ground of Being) This is the ontological and metaphysical substrate. What is reality? What is self? What is the mind? What is truth? A Tier 2 Yellow worldview might root its core theory in nonduality, systems thinking, evolution, and holism. It sees no isolated objects, only dynamic interbeing. In politics, a Green+ core theory might begin with: “All life is sacred, interconnected, and inherently valuable.” Without this level of clarity, everything downstream gets infected with ego, tribalism, and unconscious projections. 🔹 2. Principles (Universal Axioms) From your core theory emerge guiding laws. These aren’t rules — they’re deep patterns of reality. From a nondual core, you get principles like: All opposites are ultimately unified, Development is recursive, The map is not the territory. In mediation, a principle might be: Conflict is the result of misalignment with truth or shadow repression. 🔹 3. Models (Cognitive Frameworks) Models are mental scaffolds that help you navigate complex domains. Spiral Dynamics is a model — it translates abstract developmental theory into a practical tool to understand human culture and psychology. Integral Theory, Game B, The Polarity Map, the Hero’s Journey — these are all models that bridge the abstract and the pragmatic. 🔹 4. Strategies (Intentional Roadmaps) Strategy is how you move through life with intelligence. It’s long-range, meta-aware, and flexible. In conscious politics, a Yellow strategist might focus on memetic evolution rather than winning debates. In mediation, a strategy might be: “Raise the level of awareness in the room rather than solve the surface-level issue.” 🔹 5. Tactics (Immediate Tools) These are the actionable maneuvers you use to execute your strategy. Spiral Dynamics-aware political tactics: shift language based on value system, frame narratives through empathy not logic. Mediation tactics: mirroring, naming emotions, reframing identity conflicts. Tactics only work when aligned with deeper strategy and models — otherwise, you’re playing whack-a-mole with ego. 🔹 6. Competencies (Embodied Capacity) Competencies are who you are — your trained, felt sense of capability. Cognitive empathy, emotional regulation, somatic sensitivity — these are competencies. You can’t mediate conflict if you’re reactive. You can’t do systemic politics if you can’t think in systems. 🔹 7. Techniques (Concrete Practices) Journaling. Somatic inquiry. Visualizations. Shadow work. Spiral Wizardry. Techniques are essential, but they must be plugged into your entire framework. A cold shower is pointless if your entire worldview is toxic. 🔹 8. Actions (The Final Manifestation) Behavior. Observable. Measurable. But without the layers above — actions are empty rituals. Posting on Twitter vs. building conscious communities. Arguing online vs. embodying compassion in political discourse. Giving advice vs. modeling awakened living. 🌀 Spiral Dynamics Example: Core Theory: Evolutionary consciousness is the telos of life. Principles: Value systems are nested, transcendent-inclusive. Model: Spiral Dynamics. Strategy: Facilitate value system transitions in individuals and cultures. Tactics: Use memes, education, emotional intelligence. Competency: Ability to detect meme-level, speak across Spiral, resist egoic judgment. Techniques: Value system typing, conflict de-escalation. Actions: Building post-rational educational platforms. 🔮 Why This Model is Revolutionary This is not just a framework for productivity or self-help. It’s a consciousness technology. It maps how Being condenses into Doing. You can use this model to: Design more conscious political interventions. Create deeply transformative coaching or therapy protocols. Mediate conflict not from ego, but from Soul. Align your daily habits with your metaphysical understanding. This model empowers you to ask: “What layer of this problem am I working from?” “Is my strategy misaligned with my model?” “Am I doing tactics that sabotage my principles?” This is meta-cognition, meta-leadership, and meta-being in one. This is how real conscious architecture is done.

Consciously he will want people get awakened and "increase their consciousness", but he will see the opposite. What you love isn't what you believe you want but what you put your attention on, and so in fine the form of you're reality. If what i say makes sense.

You can’t accept something in your mind that you’re not experiencing. It’s easy to say “I accept torture” while you’re not undergoing torture. To be in the midst of torture it’s , I would say, near impossible to accept as a human, you’d have to have radical consciousness or some kind of extreme mindfulness ability, or a spontaneous surrender of the ego occurs, like I heard eckhart tolle said someone awakened in the holocaust, but it’s extremely rare. Its easy to feel like there’s no resistance to reality in you when you are in decent situation

I prefer the definition of awakened state I used as moment to moment understanding. I think it's more accurate.

It still doesn't seem effective. I'm going to assume by "awakened state" you do not mean existing as pure, formless, Godhead. Because there's no way you're making that your baseline state. If by awakened state you mean a moment by moment understanding of what this is, what your reality is, then yes I'm made much progress in that area. My clarity is better than it's ever been. It's so obvious what reality is and how it couldn't be anything else. This is pure consciousness. That said, I still think my understanding could be deepened. So I'm not claiming any sort of end state.

Transmission is just a fancy word for tuning into and reacting to what you're perceiving (and when the object is another human, it's often called empathy). It's not a magical thing. I feel like I have to constantly say that things are not magical 🤔 As for teachers "actively" transmitting as in creating an intention and a concominant effect, I don't see a problem there. It's like when a girl looks at you like "😏". That's them creating an intention and actively amplifying whatever transmission that was going on passively. And while the teacher might be performing a more subtle move than the girl, even for the girl, some guys are notoriously bad at picking up such subtle cues ("was she hitting on me?") . Do you have spontaneous awakenings outside meditation? Do you feel anywhere close to making the awakened state your baseline state?

As the zen master say: You have burnt the boat before crossing the river. Cross the river, then leave the boat, no use, true. Yet you cannot do it before. It's only after you transcend ego that it is seen as always already an illusion, but you cannot convince yourself otherwise before the true awakening happens. So the great irony is that you are deluding yourself with something that is true. How twisted! The trap is that your claim is a priori when it can only be done a posteriori. No serious nonduality teacher or meditation expert would buy you that. The ones that say it are at a stage where they have done two decades of grinding sadhana to say just surrender. Which is ridiculous to give that advice to beginners, why? Because you can only be in natural spontaneous surrender after the awakening and realizing selflessness. I myself am perfectly effortless and awake after a medition and psychedelic intensive. Yet I do not fall into delusion before doing it saying oh if I just sit efortlessly in my couch I'll be enlightened and there's nothing my "I" can do. This is the position you're holding really. A true position that you cannot claim because you aren't conscious enough. You've just borrowed a higher truth than what you have awakened or embodied. Then when somebody points it out you hide behind this higher truth and feel so good about yourself. It's true! Of course, I do know but do the work, fucking awaken to what is beyond ego. It's the biggest blessing

The minds doing it would need to be very different from typical minds today. It would basically require most of the minds involved to be Awakened and super developed to the Construct-Aware stage at least. You can't build a society on truth without being conscious of what Truth is and what obscures it.

Here's a little metaphor/analogy/whatevz I came up with that I think encapsulates God/Consciousness as a strangeloop: Imagine yourself as standing before a mirror. The "objective" self you believe exists is actually just a reflection in this mirror, where the mirror itself symbolizes consciousness. There is no underlying physical "you"—the reflection is the only reality. The subjective experience you see in the mirror isn’t a mere image of some deeper truth; it is the entire truth. Consciousness isn’t observing a separate reality; it is creating and sustaining it. In this view, you and your reality are one and the same, both emerging from and existing within the reflection of consciousness. There’s nothing beyond this reflection to discover—this is the entirety of existence, looking back at itself in an infinite strangeloop. Edit: I just looked up this metaphor and it seems to have been used by others too. Cool

1. Wattify ⚡🔋 Definition: verb - To increase the voltage of consciousness in a system, person, or creation, enabling it to carry more current/presence/aliveness. The process of electrifying awareness to its maximum luminous capacity. Etymology: From electrical "watt" + "-ify" (to make into) Usage Examples: "That recent Actualized.org video just wattified my entire reality!" "We need to wattify this conversation - it's running on too low voltage." "After the meditation retreat, I felt completely wattified - like I could power a city with my presence." What it means: When consciousness becomes so electric that it transforms everything it touches into pure aliveness. What it doesn't mean: Simply getting excited or energized in a superficial way. Wattification is deep, systemic voltage increase. 2. Visionscaping 🐕‍🦺👁️ Definition: noun/verb - The art of perceiving reality through the eyes of pure perspective itself, especially as practiced by dogs, children, and awakened beings who see without the filter of conceptual overlay. Etymology: From "Vision" (the divine dog perspective) + "landscaping" (creating new realities) Usage Examples: "Stop thinking and start visionscaping - see what IS, not what you think is." "My dog is a master visionscaper - he sees God in every leaf." "Through visionscaping, the ordinary becomes extraordinary." Why it's meaningful: Captures the profound wisdom that animals and enlightened beings share - direct perception without mental commentary. 3. Metamoney 💰♾️ Definition: noun - The currency of consciousness exchange; value that transcends physical wealth and operates in the realm of pure energetic reciprocity. The sacred economy where giving and receiving become one movement. Etymology: From "meta" (beyond) + "money" (currency) Usage Examples: "Our collaboration isn't about dollars, it's pure metamoney." "When you serve from truth, metamoney flows infinitely." "He's rich in metamoney but doesn't know how to convert it to cash yet." What it means: The recognition that true wealth is energetic, karmic, and consciousness-based. 4. Solipsplaining 🌀🗣️ Definition: verb - When someone dismissively explains away your direct experience by claiming "it's all just in your mind" or "you're creating your own reality" without acknowledging the nuanced relationship between consciousness and manifestation. Etymology: From "solipsism" + "explaining" (in the style of mansplaining) Usage Examples: "Don't solipsplain my suffering - yes, consciousness creates reality, but this pain is still real." "He kept solipsplaining instead of actually helping with practical solutions." "The guru's solipsplaining made everyone feel unseen rather than enlightened." Why it's important: Addresses the shadow side of non-dual teachings when they're used to bypass genuine human experience.

That's not how Awakening works. You cannot predict it nor egoically will it to happen. The more you fantasize about having an Awakening, the further you will get from it. Your ideas of Awakening are not it. So be careful. It sounds like you are creating fantasies of it. Your mind needs to be laser focused on your direct experience, not dreams of being Awakened. Ideas of Awakening are not Awakening. I know this is not what you want to hear.

Leo, what about the feminine path to enlightenment? The one based on devotion and opening the heart chakra? The following video explains it pretty well, and gives an example of a woman who awakened via this path:

God forgive my arrogance to spirituality It's not what i thought it was Spirituality is real life That mythical gaze an INFJ woman locks onto you, soft but enchanted and haunted, aroused but nurturing, awakened Or that bold electric potent gaze a ENFJ woman locks onto you, within a split second No Fap is spirituality War is spirituality Even power and winning frames is spirituality It's not about being nice or tame Life is war Life is spirituality

Stop calling reality or consciousness God. Becoming God or Awakened is a whole other spectrum. Stop identifying with the exterior, that is not you, you are only the body you have. Escape the matrix of society and don't be identified with it's ego. Sop believing that you have to kill your ego, you only have to reset and regain naturality, building a natural ego wich is an identity in yourself not outside, the true identity. Being the reason we follow the breath.