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@diamondpenguin Enlightenment literally, literally, literally cannot be put into words. But we do it anyways because as humans, we cannot help ourselves. The way I like to put it is that it's a non-experience. You realize yourself as the entire universe. And since you are ALL of it, there is nothing. Why? Because all bases are covered. You can't perceive or sense any of it because YOU ARE IT. Total mind-blow! A kind of creepy part about it is that you realize that there is no "self" to enlighten because all of it is already you. Following enlightenment, feelings and perceptions (how you relate to the world) change for the better. I don't yet know much else than that; I still have a lot to learn myself. My advice is to take it slow; don't try to awaken as fast as possible, because there's tons of emotional labor involved and you'll wanna spread that out over time. (It already sounds like you're in no hurry, so that's good! Life purpose is just as important as awakening in my opinion. In fact, awakening can be a part of your life purpose! ) Ken Wilber on nonduality: It is too complex to be known,; too simple to believe; too present to be grasped; too here to be felt. Best of luck.

You are consciousness, yet you are attributing yourself to your friend being “very you” (still better than “not very you” imo). He’s absolutely you, not “very you”. That arrives at “one thing”, which stands to pierce the very heart of nonduality, or ‘not two’. “One thing” is not, “not two”. For an actuality of your friend as very (or not very) conscious, you must forget you are the consciousness you’re talking about. And the miracle is, you can! How awesome are you?! Pretty awesome “in my opinion”. Your typo is actually spot on! @Mannyb Nahm is day my good sir.

I’ve spent years studying nonduality and doing consciousness work. At this point I have to admit that I’m biased toward consciousness generating the brain as well as everything else, but how can we at all be certain that this is the case? Is this not just a belief? Any changes in consciousness seem to be heavily correlated with changes in brain activity. Why is this the case?

Hey Leo, Hey fellas I havent found this emptiness, nothingness, void everyone is talking about and neither did it just occur. Anyhow, my question is regarding a statement of Leo's in his Quantum Mechanic video. There he states, that Physicality takes place within consciousness and not that the brain produces consciousness. OK, I got that, but that then still means, that within this timeless UNIVERSAL field of consciousness, there is a person or animal tapping into it with their perspective and that makes up every perspective(worm, bacteria, human, dog....) possible. So for example, i took an MRI-Scan which is an appearence, but it is not an appeareance within consciousness that is priviledged to me but the staff and my doctor and everyone who can interpret the taken image. But now I'm confused about the notion of nonduality where all dualities collapse and therefore there should only be one observer and not so many right? Like I believe right now that my friends and family have just as a rich experience of the world in the year 2021 like me and my dog have but this notion of other identities (perspectives) in nonduality seems paradoxical. Can someone explain this to me?

It’d be most helpful imo to be aware of thought’s about a you going into nondual awareness.... ...the off shoot is believing thoughts about there being a “duality”, and a you identified with it. Paying attention, inspecting these thoughts, unravels the pattern, and uncovers “the now”, or presence, being. That veiling narrative happens literally one single thought at a time, always in the exact same now. Noticing it is effortless. “Body” is only the thought “body”. There’s no “ghost” in “a body” attached somehow. It’s thought attachment. Meditate daily, first thing in the morning. Again in the afternoon. Try telling the story of when “you first attached to the body”. Have a laugh. ? It’s a funny story when inspected, and having a laugh when spotted, it breaks the chain. Who’s that all about there? In a literal sense, who are you even thinking about? There’s no chest moving in & out of stuff. Nonduality isn’t some kind of haunting. Right now, awareness is aware. Inspect thoughts about yourself, about time, about nonduality & duality ?.

Two. Twoness is not actual reality, but is the experience of thought, of believing thought, and thus believing in meaning. Up means not down, down means not up. Without down, up is meaningless, just air smacking lips. Without up, down is meaningless, just a sound. What happens when this illusion of twoness, of thought, of meaning, is recognized? This is the “fear” of the finite mind, which doesn’t know ‘who’ or ‘what’ it really is, because ‘who’ it really is forgets it’s own infinitude by appearing as, the finite mind. “Finite”, as in, not-infinite, not-me, other-than-me. Like a magnifying lens magnifies, a finite lens finites: twoness, thoughts, meaning, separation, this and that, up and down, me and world, me and other, life & death, love & hate, and so on. Differences in the twoness activity of the finite mind. Differences are established via meaning. Without difference, sameness is meaningless. Without sameness, difference is meaningless. Difference & sameness are the illusion of the finite mind, via believing thoughts, believing meaning, mistaking its actual reality, for any ‘other thing’, other than itself, infinity. Without fail & without exception this experience feels off, because the finite mind can believe but can not change or escape the truth of “it’s own” nature, yet there is the apparent experience of freedom (more meaning), and the finite mind is completely free to suffer and hold itself in the bondage of “it’s own” thoughts, beliefs, concepts, and meaning. It can get quite mean in deed. Thought & meaning are creator-creation-communication, of creator-creating-creation. There are not two communicating, there is the experience of communication. Expressing & exercising preferences, the appearance that is the finite mind creates appearance, with appearance, as appearance. Preferences are an appearance and are of a source, desire. Desire is love, expressing itself, via appearing to itself, as itself. Human desire is the ‘echo’ of the veiled unconditional love (nonduality) into the apparent world, via the apparent finite mind. Communicating & sharing preferences, what is not-two experiences twoness, and co-creates. In this sense, meaning (thought, twoness) is of this world. Humans (thought, twoness) are / is of this world. Experience (appearance) is of this world. You are not of this world, though by all logic it appears as if you are. (Logic, based on meaning, based on thoughts, which are an appearance). How readily available direct experience is, as thoughts are ‘magically’ appearing & disappearing now as you continue reading and projecting meaning onto a secondary source. “This world” does not have an “other world” to compare it to, because this world in actuality is an appearance. To compare a mirage to a thought of a mirage is to miss the true nature of a mirage. Thought is a mirage. Awareness is the desert of the real. The finite mind, attached already to “it’s” “differences”, refutes the truth that it is only an illusion of the desert. The finite mind can never realize, accept, or comprehend this, because realization, acceptance, and comprehension are illusion within illusion, thoughts within an illusionary “my” “finite mind”. You may not notice, but you create meaning. You are the Creator, and as such you are so good at creating, that even as you read these very words you project that the meaning is ‘coming to you’ from “this other thing”, a screen, a person, a internet. The fundamental belief is that meaning, or anything, is coming from a secondary source, a belief which perpetuates the illusion only in the finite mind not turning within upon itself and discovering it’s actual reality is The One Source That Is. The illusory finite mind believes “it’s” own illusory beliefs, and thus erroneously believes, there really are two. Always is & will always be up to you. The finite mind quite literally makes up fear, uncertainty, self doubt, frustration, blame, anger, hatred, envy, jealousy, insecurity, despair, loneliness, shame, guilt, grief, etc...and experiences the result of it’s own ignorance as stress, tension, worry, contraction, depression, dis-ease, and an overall apparent lack of well being. Well Being is indicative of, is, without condition or exception, the source and only reality of the “finite mind”, which in “it’s” own illusions of it’s own (no one else’s) justifications, rationalizations, and conceptualizations of these experiences of feeling, does not know it is already “it’s own” source. There truly is no “you” which “something other than” “you” could rightfully be said to matter, to. That is only the experience, of “thoughts”. This “mattering” is also referred to as “your” “conditions”. Whatever “you” say matters to “you”, appears to actually matter, to “you”...because “you” are the One, saying it matters, to “you”, and believing whatever that is, that it is, other than you. This is thought attachment, and why meditation is so often recommended. Whenever thought activity settles, the true nature, the already actual source & reality of the finite mind, ‘arises’, and fills the ‘finite mind’ with insight - with “it’s” own true nature. Beliefs are no more than thoughts repeated, which settle in meditation. Identity is no more than beliefs, which settle in meditation. Equally, in exact measure, when the activity of thought, belief, and identity settle, that which they truly are, which is now unfettered by the activity of nonsense, illuminates the finite mind and body and fills ‘it’ with Reality, which is pointed to with the words love, peace, passion, creativity, joy, and happiness. Psychedelics strip away thought activity, beliefs, and identity, revealing the true nature, “the truth”, “reality as it is”, or, nonduality. Beliefs and identity which have not been inspected, are still active (yet properly settled), and believed. Thus the illusion of identity ‘returns’ as the effect of the psychedelic weens. As the beliefs and thus identity ‘returns’, the finite mind claims the experience absorbing it into it’s own illusory identity, by believing the thoughts (appearing now - “memories”) in a hindsight manor, strengthening the illusion of separation, or the idea of not-source, two. More psychedelics, beliefs & identity still unchecked, un-inspected, unresolved, results in more strengthening of the illusion of the reality of the finite mind, increasing the illusory interpretations of experience & separation from the source. Meditation does not involve the experience of a secondary substance ‘ripping away’ belief & identity. Thus in meditation beliefs and identity is surrendered, and along with it, all suffering. This is witness, experienced, with sober clarity as it occurs. Thus, misunderstanding, misinterpretation, and ultimately misidentification are seen, be Clarity, or, the emptiness-fullness, or, the very source of the illusion, and the finite mind is transcended, though upon this transcendence, ‘right view’ and ‘right mind’ have come to stay, in the realization no illusion, and therefore no universe, self, world, nor transcendence actually occurred. Like all things, all substances, all thoughts, non-excluding opinions about meditation & psychedelics, and all else (experience) are clearly not-two, and this “transcendence” never actually occurred, as there is nothing to transcend, sans the appearance of ignorance, of, forgetting your infinitude. This is, you might say, to ‘God’... a Day. That is, “you” “woke up this morning”, is meaning which is dualistic, being believed. It is based on the belief you slept last night. Proper inspection, such as the scrutiny of direct experience vs thought & belief, reveals no direct experience of sleep whatsoever, and “death” is no different. “I woke up this morning” is a meaning contingency upon “I slept”, which is a belief and not a direct experience. Likewise, “dreams” of the finite mind in kind are never directly experienced, but are known in the exact same manor, as a “memory”, a thought appearing now (“when you wake up in the morning”) which is believed to be indicative of “a past”, in this case, “while I slept” - in “hindsight”, of a past, which is only a belief, an actually-now-thought. There is never the remnant of a dream in which you were certain of a “you” in a bed, sleeping & dreaming. To dream, “you” “go to sleep” & thus become the dream. Infinite Being (you) appearing now as Infinite Mind (still you) is exactly the same. But “you” believe it’s a “physical reality”, for lack of properly inspecting a dream, and thus experiencing the greatest of all experiences, the absolute best of “both worlds”, the undeniable fact that you are lucid dreaming, right now. Yet as always, the lucidity is up to you, because this is in fact, your dream. Within, rather than without, is the way. In-ception, rather than con-ception, is the way to lucidity. @ZubPrem This is not a “right” answer, this is a dream. Psychedelics, are dream. Meditation, is dream. But that was a really great question. Thanks!

Maybe not nonduality , but some thing in that direction. Alexander Bard Björn"Natthiko" Lindeblad

So is there an opposite of duality? So I guess you are saying duality is duality, and nonduality transcends all duality as a wrapper? That and until recently it was the poor man's vehicle of that region. A horse was like a ferari. A donkey was a tesla. I didn't get the first part of the second sentence. I will think about it.

In a way, yes. I'm referring to the intersection of sameness (nonduality) with difference (duality). What is the relationship between ultimate and relative reality? Somehow, they get entangled, in a way impossible for us to understand. It is the mystery of Brahman + Atman.

Most definitely. He’s charismatic and knows how to be entertaining. No I don’t get a sense he cares too much either. Many of his fans do believe he has gone crazy though since he started posting about nonduality. He was just a normal fitness guy before, kind of a shock for them . For sure. 10 years from now, who knows. It’s fascinating that we have the ability to document our journey online now for everyone to see. I say that he is addicted just because he is sleeping around quite a lot. I have no problem with it, but in my experience guys do not sleep around that much unless they’ve got at least a minor addicted. He also admitted in an earlier video that he felt he was addicted to sex and premasati yoga was his way of trying to break that.

I hear ya. He seems like he’d be fun as hell to hang out with, but I don’t know him at all per se. It was really just the content, or sentiment of intention conveyed in the video that seemed to bring about the realization of a difference in comparison to the day to day of this section. He seemed authentic and carefree to me. Not ripping on the section at all, just adding to it in a way which resounds with me. So I thought I’d post it and share. And now ya got me thinking...... My youngest is nine, and my oldest is twenty six, and I believe I have a lens from that, which leaves me seeing his “shenanigans” differently. I don’t believe he has or is destroying his reputation, I think he has transcended the idea of himself, of his reputation. I have no idea obviously, but I don’t think that’s in his wheelhouse anymore. I don’t believe self image is really on his mind at all. (Just my belief or observation from speculating). I don’t think in the longer term, he is alienating. I think he will be the, or one of, the most successful you-tubers historically, and that it will lead to a much bigger platform. I could see him continuing to bring Nonduality to ground level duality, a fresh & sound approach amongst much bringing duality to nonduality, and regurgitation of nonduality from previous teachers, via books & old videos into youtube as “original”. His orientation strike me as actually original. Wether I agree with him or not on any points, honestly the approach is sort of intoxicating in a refreshing creatorship way, and I’d wager I’m not alone in that. Time will tell of course. He is so young, and it will be fun to see. On the sex & validation, idk man. I think he is in the true nature so to speak, sharing the message, and likes sex, like the rest (or most) of us. On the integration of experiences, your comment brought pause & contemplation (thank you for that sir). It left me open ended. I don’t know how perpetual experience can be fully integrated. And now the word integration has become...like “rooaaadds...rooads....rooooaads...”? Who knows, I may be bamboozling myself. It just resonated with experiences with women, and clicked as to why this subsection typically doesn’t. Not to imply it’s wrong, or that any perspective is right lol. I might just be old af and have no clue what y’all are up to these days. @Recursoinominado Holy shit that cat’s hilarious! ?

Even duality vs. nonduality is a duality. People keep trying to understand it, instead of realizing the Tao Te Ching really meant what it said.

Female is the negative space of male, like male is the negative space of female. In order to create and combine you must first separate. Then you can combine in infinite ways. Think about how separate colors are possible. Red objects absorb all other colors but reflect or reject red light and so they appear red. White light or every single color is inherent in the select color red. Lights off, no red. Pure light, no red. Same with male and female. You can think of this by anatomical differences or psychological differences. One cannot exist without the other. To go further with that, each and every unique manifestation of all the billions of people and everything else on the planet is the same way. It's leaving something out to say that red isn't really a separate color because the experience of the color red depends on white light itself or the entire color spectrum. It's also leaving something out to say that red IS a distinct color. Nonduality and duality are one. We cannot say non -something without the thought of that something. So understanding all that, the female identity partly forms itself in opposite or in compliment to the male psyche. Essentially this means that we experience suffering differently. Like the color red, we reject certain parts of ourselves and therefore identify. Identification is saying this part of what I think I experience is me, and this other part is not me. Pure awareness does not distinguish between the sound of my voice or someone else's voice, it is thought that distinguishes. Making these distinctions for the purpose of creation is beautiful, but making these distinctions to cut oneself off from creation is suffering. Each individual person has formed uniquely different ways in which they suffer, identify and unique beliefs which hold these thought patterns in place. So what does this mean when it comes to enlightenment? Enlightenment is the transcendence of suffering. So the same goal can mean letting go of very different beliefs. You can have people who are assertive and arrogant, who cut themselves off from feeling how they affect others and who (apparently) suffer from pride and disconnection. Or you can have people who are shy and feel inadequate, who feel rejection and tap into empathic suffering with others so strongly that they hide from the world. Red and green are opposites on the color wheel and yet, have a lot in common. The movement of suffering is the very same. The insecure person inwardly struggles with pride and the prideful person inwardly struggles with inadequacy. They may reflect different colors to the world but they experience the same suffering. That's why two people's paths can look like absolute opposites of each other, but really aren't at all.

I was asking if there are any swedish nonduality speakers

Kul! Känner du till om det finns några svenska nonduality speakers?

The essence of nonduality is that you CAN have your cake and eat it too.

So I just looked at Leo's list and this was on here.. Has anyone here tried this for awakening purposes. I'm just trying to get a glimpse of nonduality. How much is needed?

Hi everyone, I've been meditating for a few years now, after a spiritual awakening experience that totally changed my view of existence (yet it seems like it was just the begining of reminding something I knew before even my first true memories). Right know it really feels like I should exchange directly with people that are further on their spiritual path than I am to avoid spiritual ego traps. About two years ago, while recovering from a brief psychotic disorder followed by a mental breakdown I had a progressive breakthrough and found a definitive inner sense of stability and security. It seems very obvious to me that consciousness is eternal (which I have always intuited) and that nothing can really hurt me because there's actually nothing to hurt. I am mostly in a state where bad things can happen to me, my ego will still react but I don't really suffer because I manage to effortlessly keep an inner peace deep down. But that's exactly the point of my post. The more I go, the more I encounter situations where I notice my ego clings to certain ideas or habits. This is especially true in my relationship with my partner. It doesn't bother me in the sense that I still sense that inner peace stays anyway. But it seems the more I notice things, the more will pop up. In fact it actually gives me a pretty clear image of my ego, that I perceive like a kind of veil surrounding my consciousness. The thing is, this veil seems like it's always been here and I really have trouble perceiving through it or imagining things differently. I can mediate rather deeply, contemplating it and I definitely feel progress when I do, but the process seems to be endless. Along with the stable inner peace I feel I also sense a strong push to go deeper, I would even call it an urge. I have many thoughts and interrogations about this and I thought it was time to try and share them and see if someone can relate and maybe share insights : - I try to avoid ego traps but this urge begins to feel like my ego wanting to get rid of itself which looks like the biggest ego trap. - I really feel like consciousness or reality is formless and I view it like a kind of infinite fractal that I could possibly navigate. I have a strong feeling I have before (that's how I imagine bardos between lives) and that's actually a lot of what my spiritual awakening was about when I had it. I'm convinced that's what this urge inside me is about too but again, I'm worried that my ego wanting to relive an experience like that is the problem. Maybe the mere fact of seeking enlightenment and nonduality is. - All this leads to an other thought : when meditating I often go through a phase where nihilistic like thoughts pop. If I keep meditating on them they fade away and it becomes very clear that the point of all this infinitude is just to enjoy the ride. However that fucking ego is still here, trying to explain things, remembering some kind of history, conceptualizing(like you can see), and last but not least, wondering what it really should do with life for it to flow naturally and not feel separated. Actually I often feel like I could only attain complete enlightenment when I die but this again looks like ego. I'm eager to read your thoughts about this !

Then why you think he didn't do it? Yes, the being who created the mind, body, and world can have a non-dual experience because the mind, body, and the world is the creation of Being inside Being because Being is a very Powerful Being Created by GOD. The Being which experiences Non-Duality why call himself God? Why being is not ready to accept that Me (Being) who is experiencing nonduality is the creation of GOD? God has given me the power to create a whole universe inside myself. Yeah I know that is just 1 single being but the question is there not any God who created that being? If you say No then how do you know? I experience this state daily after My Shamanic Breathing Practice. I know I am not the body but that's not mean I am God.

Self inquiry quiets the mind by proposing a question, and redirecting attention to feeling for the answer. It is most effective when conditioning has already been emotionally expressed, released and understood. It is more of a second step than a first as meditations go. More advanced in that sense. A beneficial side effect is clarity & connection in terms of effortless contemplation. Emotional suppression distresses the mind, and creates rumination in regard to meaning and identity. Repeating a mantra calms the mind by removing attention from the rumination and redirecting to a repeated sacred sound. The sound does not need meaning, which gives the mind a break from the ‘meaning aspect’ of the rumination. The body naturally follows and relaxes. Bringing the activity of the mind to rest, and grounding in what is sacred, is grounding in peace. Being, nonduality, or presence, is the apparent result, but that which was just prior to the overactive mind & emotionally contracted, or, conditioned body. Emotional awareness and Equanimity meditations are helpful with emotional balance & understanding. This has a positive effect on all aspects of life, all endeavors & relationships. The overarching theme and outcome is a peaceful quieted mind filled with the true nature of it’s source.

This is a deep topic and my intentions are not to offend, but to gain understanding about the metaphysical nature of race/gender. I have been wondering about this for a while and was wanting to know your all’s thoughts. The way I understand race/gender is that they are social constructs or imagination. When I look at my hand or at a person, that is actuality. The ideas of separateness based on race/gender are imaginary. They have the same reality as Santa clause or the buddha. Which you could also argue that Santa clause is just as real as your hand? That being said, my understanding of nonduality is that everything is one. But race/gender are based on imaginary divisions created to separate and justify dehumanization and discrimination of certain groups of people. In reality, the separation of people based on gender/race and 3/5s rule was a horrible thing we did and let to many horrible genocides and slavery. That being said, there was a video where a woman talks about color blindness vs color consciousness. I personally think that there is a 3rd stage kind of like pre-rational, rational and post-rational called color/gender transcendence where we recognize that race is a “real” thing that we invented and continue to invent, but the idea is based on an illusion of separation that we try to transcend in this stage, which in reality we are one but living as if separate. Color blindness to me is like denying that race exists or to “not see race.”? The woman in the video critiqued color blindness by saying: “you can choose to not look at the sky, but the sky still exists.” She was comparing a race to the appearance of a sky. I argue that race/gender is much more than the appearance of color and sex organs. It consists of identity, culture, norms, projections, discrimination, bias, etc. Correct me if I am wrong, but comparing race to the sky seems to treat it like it is an objective fact, whereas in reality race is a social construct of our minds? But I guess you could also argue that the sky is also a social construct and doesn’t really exist because the boundaries between the sky, outer space, and earth are all arbitrary and relative. What are your all’s thoughts about the metaphysical nature of race/gender? Please let me know what you think based on your experiences with enlightenment work, mystical/no dual experiences, etc. Please watch the video: Even though the idea of race/gender was invented, we still need to be aware of the real life threats it has on society and on marginalized groups, such as racism, discrimination, white privilege, cisgender male privilege, heterosexism, white fragility, and whiteness in general, as well as gender discrimination and binary views of gender, etc. This is an example of how reality is imaginary, yet, we need to be aware of how our imagination creates separation and division and use our minds to unify together because we all bleed red and our hearts beat as one! I think the true danger comes from when we take separations to be “real” because then it creates a “superior” and “inferior” power dynamic. In addition, by taking our imaginations of separateness to be real, it also creates division and discrimination when we see others as separate from us. This is a real danger that we are seeing with Trumpism, white supremacy, religion, politics (democrat and republic rather than unifying our nation), etc. Thanks

Nonduality means: this implies that Up implies down. Good implies bad Here implies there Let's take "up implies down" as an example: what is "down"? Not up. What is "up"? Not down. Or "good" and "bad". How do you know what is good unless you also know what is bad? Both constitute each others' existence. The moment you say "this is good" you are implying that something else must be bad. You define "this" in terms of "that" and vice versa. And this principle applies for absolutely everything in the universe.

@BipolarGrowth you studied nonduality huh??? Brain vs consciousness. Reality is just one seamless whole. Ultimately it doesn't matter if materialism is correct partially about the brain. But what is hidden in your question is substance-dualism. There is only one fucking substance out of which everything is made. Could it be otherwise?. What is substance-dualism?.??? Well That reality is split into two different substances. One is the appearances or phenomenon or consciousness or qualia (this stuff right here)..which is a second order emergence from the essence which is matter. That matter has no phenomenonolgical qualities. It's not conscious yet it gives arise to consciousness. Notice the absurdity? Consciousness is simply everything and anything. This is Consciousness. That is consciousness. You are consciousness. The brain is consciousness. Anything you think or possibly doubt in a million years that isn't consciousness IS fucking consciousness... Tada! And it can't be "defined" because there is nothing which is not consciousness to define consciousness in terms of it. That's why it's a mystery.

Consciousness will and cannot die. But if you drink poison you will experience a very painful death, whatever you believe. DON'T DO IT!! Also don't forget that not everyone here is nonduality focused. Be very careful what you say.... Or don't, whatever. May get banned though.

@TheSource Yes. God is nonduality, and God dreams duality. Ultimately, it is all one. Lord of the gods, you are the abode of the universe. Changeless, you are what is and what is not, and beyond the duality of existence and nonexistence. You are the first among the gods, the timeless spirit, the resting place of all beings. You are the knower and the thing which is known. You are the final home; with your infinite form you pervade the cosmos.