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Yes. Duality exists in the dimension of form; it couldn't be otherwise. Time and form are essentially divisive. Just because transcendent truth is a nonduality doesn't mean this world is unreal. Matter and energy exist, whether people want to admit it or not.

Nonduality 101 #. Reality is nondual. That means there is one thing that exists in reality. Reality itself. Existence is one thing. Every single duality you imagine is inherent in reality..is not. Is just an imagination. There is no difference between time and eternal presence. There is no difference between existence and no existence. There is no difference between me you Leo your mom your cat trump Hitler Jesus and a cheesecake. There is no difference between form and formlessness. There is no difference between you and what you see.. You and what you touch. You and what you hear. There is no difference between truth and delusion. Enlightenment and ignorance. There is no actual difference between any two supposedly distinct objects or concepts. All talk supposes duality.. When there aren't any duality. That's why you guys need to stop arguing. And verify it in your experience.

@Moksha no that's a misunderstanding. You don't abide in eternal peace when you're enlightened. You are eternal peace at all times. Your true self is peace itself. You don't experience peace as an object. If you still here as an ego to experience stuff outside yourself then you are not enlightened. You still in duality. The realization of nonduality is the most radical thing that can ever happen to "you". You will literally die. With all seriousness in the world. You as a separate individual will die permanently. There will be no longer any difference between what you see and you.. You and what you touch.. There will be longer a difference between you and the entire universe. You will disappear as a center of experience. And will become experience itself. You already are but the illusion of ego is veiling this. People don't appreciate how radical this is.

Nonduality is about stepping out of time. It will be the same now as it will be then. There is no 2000 years ago and 2000 years in the future. Those are in memories and imagination - and what are those other than mind (fleeting). It will be the case 2000 years in the future and it was the case 2000 years in the past. The present moment does not change. Only content changes. Content is not to be worshipped. That is true sin, when you worship form. For the Absolute is NOT IT.

The Unseen is Consciousness/Awareness. It is our true nature in direct experience - that witness that never changes. This is why many say "I am God". But that claim is usually misinterpreted, both by the say-er and by those hearing it. Because it is not the waking character/ ego identity which has form that is God, but rather the formless unseen awareness that knows that Ego-self. Then he must be you right now. You are saying it in other words. You don't really have free will. You have God's will. Your free will IS God's will. But ofcourse you are not God AS Ibgdrgnxxv, but you are God as the formless. So Ibgdrgnxxv is praying to Infinite consciousness/awareness. That to me sounds like the correct practice. There seems to be a lot of wisdom in the different traditions around the world. It can be seen as ignorant for some people who study and practice nonduality, but that is really just them not getting it fully.

Woah woah, why you putting fear together with surrender and prayer I'll tell you what ego is... Ego is this identification with the waking state character. You also have dream ego too, which you are only identifying with during dreams. And now you are in waking, you identify with waking character... It's normal. But all states are happening to you, so you cannot be in any of the states, you must be there in all states, so you cannot be any of the characters. The different characters/egos cancel each other out and you remain as the awareness that knows those. If you really grasp nonduality in direct experience you can see that it is not about removing all apparent dualities such as "Praying to the absolute" . When there is true nonduality and not egoic one, you see that what appears as duality is actually not. So there was never anything to dissolve and there was never an ego. Again, if you put your attention on the dream ego at night... That one never really existed... Only during the ignorance of the dream state did you think you were it, but even then it was not you. So whether it prays or doesn't pray really is not creating any sort of duality, because the entire state in which these doings appear is only imaginary. Your very post does not follow the principle you are trying to convey. You are writing a post to another human, "creating a duality". So if you do not pass your own critique, why should I listen to hypocrites? That's the thing, you seem to be confused about what nonduality is, and you appear to equate nonduality as a form of vegetative state where you can't do anything, because you would be creating duality. No no no its the other way around. No matter what you do and how hard you try you cannot create duality. You cannot create something that doesn't exist.

Nonduality IS insanity and madness from the POV of duality

Yeah you speak some sense. But I see many who are very into this model, so much so as they believe it is the territory. I've timestamped what is relevant to our discussion here, and I urge anyone who is using that point system and any other tool on the "path" to Enlightenment/Nonduality to get this. (Not necessarily posting for you @LfcCharlie4 since you basically said it, but check it out also cause its really true what this guy says - well the entire discussion is very interesting and fresh )

I am going to try integrating the torus shape in some way in a meditation. Perhaps moving chi in a toroidal shape and will report if I find anything interesting there. PS: Wow I am watching this documentary right now with an open mouth. This really shows some deep stuff here, this man was pretty "woke". At minute 30:00 you can see that this is no ordinary "scientist", this man talks about how consciousness is not a product of matter, but is there prior to it. Check this out, highly recommend 36:25 Woah, self inquiry described by a physician and brain researcher! It's like watching a nonduality documentary that is not using any nonduality terminology. Very good.

@Someone here I get what you're saying. And you're right, nonduality means everything is One including all questions and all answers. Yet the gurus continue to teach, and aspirants continue to learn. All of that is part of the One too.

@Someone here, thank you for sharing your thoughts. And sorry for all of the questions, but not really since I didn't choose to ask them I see reincarnation as a story too. But in a broader sense, what are your thoughts on our role in the awakening process? Aspirants practice the paths of yoga to receive enlightenment, but is all of that misguided and unnecessary? Krishna approves the paths of karma yoga and raja yoga. I understand the nonduality of uitimate reality, but "we" are in a world of time and space. If it's all an illusion, why go through the motions of realizing enlightenment? Agree with killing the snake for protection, but many criminals are punished beyond the point of protecting society from them. Are these punishments unjust since the criminals weren't responsible for their crimes? Even following an egoic act, why apologize? If we can't control whether or not the ego is at the helm, aren't we guiltless?

One week til the first single is released. It's really no big deal, my promotion efforts have fallen flat so far, so it will not be heard by more than a few people. Which is fine, but it's funny how this whole process has wreaked havoc in the psyche. It's facing one of my biggest fears, which is to become visible. To (seemingly) be seen by others. I try telling myself that there are no others, and I am not this body, but it doesn't work. It's clear that the understanding of nonduality is merely intellectual at this point, and the body/mind feels separate. Which is why there is so much anxiety and fear. There is the fear of failure, rejection, even the fear of success. Ever since I was a child, I've always had the need to hide. It started of course within the family, and it grew from there. I wanted to escape, to run away, to never be seen or talked about again. It was visceral, and a mild version of that old pattern has been coming back lately. Thank God it's a mild version, because I remember it being hell when I was younger. So, in that sense, much progress has been achieved, now that I think of it. Still, I feel that this whole project, aside from being about making music, is about facing those fears. It's as if the so-called higher self wants me to see through the illusion of such fears, to face these inner demons and grow stronger because of it. But it really hasn't been easy, it's a tug of war inside the mind between the part that wants to keep going and the part that is scared like a little kid and wants to just give up and hide from the world forever. In order to do that, the mind draws me in towards addictions, and it generates thoughts like "I'm no good", "I have nothing new to say to people", "I can't help anyone", "There is no value whatsoever in what I do or in anything, for that matter". These thoughts are sneaky as fuck, sometimes they are seen through and sometimes they are believed. So I guess the only way to move forward is to be patient. It's more emotionally draining that I had thought it would be. So, baby steps.

The Advaita Vedanta describes my experience: "Advaita Vedānta literally, 'non-duality') is a school of Hindu philosophy, and is a classic system of spiritual realization in Indian tradition. The term Advaita refers to the idea that Brahman alone is ultimately real, the phenomenal transient world is an illusory appearance (Maya) of Brahman, and the true self, Atman, is not different from Brahman." The Atman within each Being is one with Brahman. Everything else is an illusion. Every word, label, and name is a belief, a construct, a fabrication in the world of form. "Nonduality" is only a pointer. Language is not the thing it tries to describe. Ultimate reality has no language; it simply is. The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon.

You are not awake so you don't understand what you are talking about. Nonduality is not a belief.

Yeah don't oversimplify. That's from the ultimate perspective. In the relative perspective you and me are humans on Earth and there are girls ? and there are guys. Evolve out of this nondual nazi attitude. It's not what nonduality is about. I am the same as you sometimes, but we have to be able to see the relative and appreciate it. The illusion is borrowing reality from the ultimate, but while borrowing that reality it is also true. Dont throw the Yang to your Ying.

To make it really simple, the transpersonal stage is the recognition that manifested reality is a single unbroken appearance (nonduality) and then the actualization of that recognition. When the crystallized ego remains, then there may be a recognition but not yet an actualization of nonduality. The actualization involves the breaking down of the separations experienced at the personal stage of development.

The most extreme nonduality teachers say that there is nobody and nothing is happening. At first that can sound super nihilistic and even crazy. But I think there is truth to it! Consider nonduality. Change is duality. Reality as a whole cannot turn into something else, because that would be what is turning into what is not. I believe that's why for example Brahman is changeless and in the Bible it says: "I the Lord do not change." Also, there cannot be someone plus the rest of reality, so there is nobody. But surely there is something. To say that there is nothing seems false. It could be that what the extreme nonduality teachings are saying is that there is no-thing happening, so it's not the usual sense of nothing like a void or something like that. Leo has said that it's not the usual nothing he means when he says that reality is nothing. So his explanation of nothing is the same as in the extreme nonduality teachings I think. One way of looking at the transpersonal stage is that it's a realization of nonduality plus the dissolving of the crystallized ego. And as I have mentioned before there can also be a realization of nonduality with the crystallized ego still remaining. At least that's possible in theory, and that would explain the claim that there can be spiritual enlightenment at different stages of personal development.

@Shmurda see 99% of people are not conscious of god..so I highly suspect that OP is from the 1%..So this teaching will just be ego using nonduality to reinforce itself. If you in God consciousness.. God =God. If you in ordinary state of consciousness.. Sin =sin. You can't be In a state where sin =God. That is a duality.

Nonduality teacher Roger Castillo said in this video that spiritual teachings can seem to say different things but that in reality they are ingenious ways of untying the same knot. That's a good point. He gave an example of one perspective where a tree has grown from a seed through a process of time, and from another perspective the tree appears instantly in the now from nothing, and both perspectives are two sides of the same coin. I even think that the example of the tree can be explained by saying that the past is real yet all the past is only information in the now. So both perspectives are correct. In another video Roger has mentioned that even within one teaching there can be levels where at first one thing is said, and then at a later stage another thing is said, seemingly contradicting the first claim! I have experienced levels of understanding even on my own, and have gone from doing practices such as mindfulness to more and more recognizing that my doing is itself a part of the crystallized ego. And my current approach is to focus more on understanding what the crystallized ego is instead of trying to change it which is just more of ego activity.

The law of attraction fits in seamlessly with nonduality and meditation. Gotta be honest though, the first time I heard about it my reaction was "oh... fuck". The "present moment" seemed a much kinder introduction.

Well what if I told you Im not clinging to a perspective. Im talking in clear nonduality. Perspective comes in duality. That in which the perspective appears is the Absolute. And That Absolute is formless. And the form within it is imaginary. Illusory content. Real packaging. When you merge Real packaging and Illusory content you get: the appearance of Real Content - Because the real merges with the unreal content making it appear real. It's not a perspective, it's basically What Is. If you can see how clear it is. It's so simple. No awakening of the person is needed, because as you say the person is/was/always will be content and not That within which content appears.... Soooooo You are NOT waking up after all. The No-you (no self) is awake, in other words, you are not awake. There is YOU and then there is the APPEARANCE OF YOU WITHIN YOU. Its the appearance here talking to the appearance there. It's Dodo talking to "Someone here". Don't be ridiculous thinking its emptiness talking with emptiness. It's content talking with content about content and through content. The Real, no-self has no need to talk with itself. The No-self is already perfect and needs no change. Needs not to express any truth. It is the Truth within which all relative lies and truths exist. And those relative ones is Me and You. That's why you are able to even have an account on this forum. The Awareness does not have hands and it is not able to have a forum account. That's only something an illusion/something relative can have. Trust me, Awareness/God LOVES the human experience. Why else would there be so many of us.

Don't be allergic to words like Should. Also you are saying Im imagining this and at the same time telling me there is no mind here to be imagining. Bro you are confused. Let that go and ommmm. Read some Bhagavad Gita, do some Brahmacharya. We need more wisdom. I've had the cocky attitude you present. It's easy when we get identified with the Noself to speak as Noself. But we must remember that we are speaking as a dream character not as the Noself beyond the dream who is imagining all this. The difference between you right now that I'm speaking with and the real you (God) is the same vast difference as the dream character at night and you ( God) But when i am talking to the character there on the other side of the monitor I am not talking to the one dreaming this, it's a character talking to a character. You are not God as the character so let it go. Be human and marinate in the Noself but stop claiming awakening. It's getting ridiculous! The ego is very sneaky. Now you tell me that im imagining the ego, that there is no ego to be tricky, but the me that is imagining is either the Ego (so you're wrong that it doesn't exist) or its God imagining (so if its God why are you against God's will?) Yes I am saying there are two yous. One is formless but real, the other is with form and illusory. These two selves dance in harmonY. Both are complementing each other perfectly. Perfect nonduality with no confusion. Don't throw your inner child with the bathwater.

Yeah we're not just blowing smoke about Nonduality on this forum. Consciousness is the substance of all the universe. It's all one. One infinite mind dreaming up different worlds and characters to which to experience it through. So aliens are consciousness, you are consciousness, all of humanity is consciousness. So if this world blew up, it would be no more significant than you waking up from a dream and the dream characters ending. Consciousness is eternal.

The idea of one's body being the whole world is actually consistent with many spiritual nonduality teachings. One common claim is that the whole world is an appearance in consciousness. And if so, is there really a difference other than as an appearance between our physical human body and the outside world? No, there isn't! It may just be that in the personal stage we are so heavily conditioned to experience our physical body as a separate object that we hardly can think of it being in any other way. Even spiritual teachings make a distinction between the body and the external world which is almost as divisive as in the ego stage. And as outrageous as it may sound, that could simply be a consequence of our world still being very "young" and in an early stage of development.

@Philipp Yes, I've studied a bit of structuralism and post-structuralism. I even have a great video about it: https://www.actualized.org/articles/derrida-deconstruction-postmodernism-nonduality But I never bothered to seriously understand Lacan. It's just way too arcane and impractical in my opinion. There are better things to spend your time studying. And I do not buy into the Oedipal Complex. In the history of Western intellectual tradition, I think it's one of the dumbest and most overrated ideas. It won't help you improve your life.