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Not really what my post implied but whatever. Do I really have to state the obvious? The point is that many people here overestimate respectable teacher's SD stage just because they're awakened. Edit: idk if my first post about was misunderstood because of my English (I'm not from an English speaking country), but since I've clarified it here a second time already it should now be obvious.

There's no meaningful way to be (ego) or play the game that aligns with the Truth seen in awakening? like what about healing? or is that all is already healed when awakened?

@Preety_India Thanks @Inliytened1 Although there is some truth to that, i would argue that even more dangerous is having no idea of what "an awakened being" is. As long as the idea is aligned with the highest spiritual principles like Love and compassion for instance, it's useful in the discernment of whom to trust/follow or even listen to, this idea like any other is the ladder you have to throw out in the end after climbing, but at that stage it will be obvious. Until then its a useful tool because without any guidelines/ideas the spiritual seeker will believe or even give all their money to random guys on youtube or cult leaders. A "human skill and nothing more" is a dangerous concept, you are dealing with real human beings that trust your moderator authority status, some of which have serious psychological conditions or are even borderline suicidal, you have to be able to relate on a personal level with them, out of love and compassion it is a skill required for the job.

I didn't say they were fully awake. I said "had an awakening". 1 awakening doesn't mean much and doesn't change much about your behavior. Obviously it's not wise. A person with mental illness (like Connor Murphy) can have an awakening and then decide to shoot up a school. They are connected but the ego-mind is a stubborn beast that will remain for years and years, doing it's devilish things. That's not even a matter of awakening. Connor Murphy is just very shallow and immature. He's very young. He's an attention whore. That's baked into his ego-mind and it will take him decades of work to outgrow that. I have immature aspects of my mind as well. It will take me years to grow out of that too. You can't really compare a 20 year old awakened person to a 30 year old to a 60 year old one. Maturity is a huge factor there and it matters. Young people do and say dumb things. The younger they are the dumber they are. Deep wisdom comes with age and massive experience.

@Crane Bahnsteik be careful. That does not mean he was not enlightened. Its a matter of bring able to relate on the personal level. Its sinply a human skill and nothing more. Be careful to not create the idea of what an awakened being is in your mind. It's a trap.

Good decision. Being so disconnected and unable to respond on the same contextual level of the question is the opposite of being conscious or awakened. Being conscious means that you are conscious of the present context and know how to navigate it while perhaps alluding to something greater, being responsible for everything you say, how you say it, and how it will affect or be perceived by whoever asked. In the same way that if you want to help someone climb a mountain you don't always show them your great pictures that you so proudly took of the sky and the horizon seen from the top, you instead give them the gear necessary to climb and survive the weather, a map, and perhaps some words of encouragement.

Careful to get lost in a story that has enlightened masters..one who is the most awakened. Step outside of that. Go meta.

@Knowledge Hoarder It's a love - hate relationship towards it. I just cannot imagine anything worse and that's why I am attracted to it. It's super interesting and fascinating for me. Just the mere thought of living through it gives me shakes. Also it seems like a part of me would wanna experience it. I know it sounds twisted. Yes I know what you mean lol. Fortunately I don't have nightmares about it. But few weeks ago I saw the worst nightmare of all time. I was somewhere without control of my body. And a bunch of people near me where being dismembered. And then it was my time. I wasn't scared. But I just was like 'why tf does this nasty bs exists?' lol it was surreal. I guess God has a fine taste. Also being fully awakened is not good for survival either i think.

@RevoCulture keep in mind that people tend to over-estimate their attainments, so of course actions don't match speech. True, authentic enlightment can lead to radical changes, expecially if your life is messed-up, but in some cases, the life after awakening might just be the same as it was before. Most harmless habits remain. "Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water." you can find little comunities here and there in the world like Ananda in italy. The truth is that there isnt yet a big enough number of awakened people to create a magnetic pull able to manifest a world community of highly evolved individuals, designed to create more. we'll see that 2-300 years in the future Why not, i ask you. Knowing this is an illusion shouldn't inhibit you from experiencing the dream as you want, with joy and pleasure. The materilistic paradigm is not true and everything is mind-made. So what? Do what you like. This notion, if nothing else, should free you up. As i have said communities gets created when thre is enough people thinking the same way and sharing the same values. unfortunatly, as of now, not many people truly value Truth to build a society around it But don't fall into the trap of thinking that you are truly enlightened only if you seclude your self from mainstream society. Planty of these (rare) people live a regular life. Communities will appear when there is a sufficient number. This process will continue to unfold no matter if people are honest or not, so don't warry. human deception will always be at play.

Solipsism in the metaphysical sense is the view that only one's own mind or self is all that exists. Solipsism in the epistemological sense is the view that the only thing that can be known is your own mind and perceptions exist. According to this article https://ctmucommunity.org/wiki/Distributed_solipsism, Distributed Solipsism is the idea that the self is distributed amongst all individuals. Therefore, Distributed Solipsism assumes that there are other bubbles, but those other bubbles and experiences are the same self experiencing through different forms of parts of itself. Those who reject metaphysical solipsism prefer to subscribe to Distributed Solipsism. In fact, a lot of spiritual teachings are in alignment with Distributed Solipsism. I know Alan Watts, Rupert Spira, Eckhart Tolle, etc. All those gurus teach that everything is One, and we are all parts of the Universe experiencing itself through all different forms. The Universe is essentially the stage from which it experiences life through all the different characters and actors on the world's stage. However, the point of any inquiry is not to find what is comfortable or witty. The point of contemplation is to find out what is actually true. What is actually and absolutely True? When you think about it, the only thing you have ever experienced in your life has been your own mind, which includes all of your perceptions, sensations, thoughts, visual field, auditory fields, sensory fields. This field of experience that is happening right now is all that can be known to exist. All other hypotheses about other bubbles or fields of experiences are occurring right here in The Field of Experience. Notice that I do not say that this field is "yours." The Field of Experience right now is what actually exists. Any ideas of self or other are always secondary. The Field of Experience is primary. Everything else is secondary and occurs within what is actually primary. Distributed Solipsism assumes that there are other experiences or minds which can exist outside of The Field of Experience. Metaphysical & Epistemological Solipsism are stating what is the case. All that has ever been experience or exists is This Field. What does it mean to say something exists which cannot be perceived? Existence = Perception There has only ever been One Field of Experience. If there were multiple Fields or Bubbles, where are the boundaries of those Bubbles and other Fields created in? If dream characters had their own bubbles and fields, where would those fields and bubbles be occurring in? This Field/Bubble Right NOW!!! Notice that the Field is entirely Headless. The head becomes the whole world. The Field is space for everything to exist. This Headless Field is like the world of Skyrim or dreaming. It is the screen/space for all characters and worlds to be created. There is no external world to Skyrim or dreaming. All worlds, characters, etc. are occurring on the Screen/Field from which all of reality is projected. My other post on Plant Consciousness and Solipsism pointed to this very problem that I had been tackling with: How do I distinguish between subjects and objects? Where are the other Fields and minds? If a human has a subject or consciousness, then what makes a human body have a subject and a rock/plant body not? Where is the line drawn for consciousness subjects and non-conscious objects? Everything in the Field of Experience appears as space, objects, colors, sounds, smells, etc. It is all ever-changing objects that are occurring in the Field. When I look at a rock and a human being, what is the difference between the two? How do I say that a human being is a subject but a plant, table, or rock is not? The objects may move like a puppet from the Field's point of view, but all inference of there being an experience behind a human object is the same as inferring there is a rock subject behind the rock object. This is like the whole Invisible Gardner argument that atheists use to theists. If there is a Gardener that is completely invisible and can never be known or verified, how is that any different from there not being any Gardener at all? Likewise, the assumption is made that there is a mind, experience, bubble/fields, or other subjects inside the human and animal bodies that we see but how is inferring that there are other subjects or other Fields/Bubbles any different from there not being any other subjects at all? The only thing that can be verified is that This Field Exists. All other spaghetti monsters, china teapots, and Invisible Gardeners are all additional jumps, stories ("explanations"), and add-ons to this Field. This Field cannot be explained by anything. All explanations are secondary to the Field. The Field is Reality/Existence Itself and all concepts/stories/explanations will always be secondary and not primary. Even the belief in Solipsism is just another concept. Absolute Solipsism is what remains after you burn everything that is false into the fire. Now, stop imagining Solipsism and go out there and do the work to deconstruct all your beliefs and falsehoods until Truth remains. Jed McKenna and Leo are alike in that both of them see the nonsense in spiritual circles. Jed and Leo realize that hardly any spiritually "enlightened" guru is actually awakened. If you do not plan to take psychedelics, I highly recommend the practice of spiritual autolysis that can be found in Jed's books. I also recommend Douglas Harding's Headless Way! Hope that helped to answer all questions about Solipsism.

Do you enjoy doing meditation, yoga, contemplation, reading spiritual books etc.? if you enjoy it keep doing it. It's like even if you were enlightened all of a sudden or awakened, you still need to fill your life and time with something. actually we don't know that for sure or do we?

In addition. I asked Leo how an awakened person would act or behave, and Leo pretty much said, there is no way, they would behave however way they wanted to or in other words, how God imagined them to be. This makes it difficult if not impossible to know/see who is awake. What if someone were awake, but behaved as a devil. Many would say he is not awake, he is hurting 'others' because of ignorance, but theoretically, he/she can be awake. The closest devil I can imagine to maybe being awoken is Charles Manson. If I were to say I was awake, I would get resistance from everyone. - of course because it is not 'I' that awoke, but God awoke to himself. It's as if when one awakes, the center is you, and that is why Leo says to forget all teachers, not only does that break the Truth and keep us asleep in duality, but it plunges us into stories, concepts, and labels. The message I got from the blog video, is that all teachers, paradigms, models, spiritual practices, and even personal contemplation is all imaginary because the Truth is God, which is beyond all of that - and that is all. The moment, we contemplate about it or create models around it, is the moment, we lost it, and demonstrates we are not awake. I can speak on being in a solipsistic state of my own and I describe it as a state because I don't usually think in a solipsistic way because it became impractical. I would have to detach myself from obligations and survival to maintain that Truth.

You missed the mark if you still think other people exist to be awakened. There is no 2nd to wake up. Non dual = not 2. Reincarnation, past lives, future lives. These are all just concepts given to you by teachers. Illusions, lies. All of these forum posts, there are no people behind them. That's just an idea you made up in your mind. The forum itself doesn't exist, because there is no server to host it on. Even me typing this to you, I don't exist. There is no one that typed this. This post just exists. If you have a dream and in it Leo wakes up, and then 100 other people also reach the highest awakening, how many people have woken up? 0. People in dreams aren't real. Stop thinking that you live in a physical body, that you're looking out at a physical world that actually exists. Think of it more like you're watching a movie, or you've had a VR headset on since the moment you're born and everything you see is an illusion. If there is a hand on the screen that looks lifelike and moves perfectly in tune with how you want to move it, how would you know if the hand was real or in VR? How can you even tell if the reality you're looking at isn't 2D instead of 3D? You live in Plato's Cave for 1. Sure you can go visit Leo, you can even touch him and it will all seem perfectly real, but that doesn't make it real. It's still just a dream. "If you die in the game, you die in real life" - Your actions still have consequences so don't do anything stupid with this knowledge. NPCs will still attack you, and the VR suit you're wearing has very realistic pain inflicting sensors.

You claim that other "awakened" people are imagination as well?

https://actualized.org/insights/explaining-take-down-new-awakening I mean, the Buddha himself was awakened through meditation. What should I do with this info? I'm only 19 and just getting into meditation, only to hear that it's imaginary. Also, our Gurus aren't awake? What? But a lot of these people are superhardcore. Perhaps they too are withholding all they know. Also, how do I go back on spiritual progress? Is that possible? Like I can reverse spiritual progress? If possible, tell me how just in case.

Interesting commentary. I do feel we have to not expect or demand perfection from the most conscious and awakened beings. Even the most awakened beings are finite though they may have accessed infinite states. Thus we can build turquoise communities but also keep the expectations grounded. Even the most advanced beings alive are still prone to human mistakes. We may not ever be able to reach a community so advanced that it has transcended the all human flaws and imperfections and I don't think that should ever be the goal. I think we have to accept all of our Individual shortcomings, whatever they may be, and Love these aspects or ourselves as much as any other aspect. Going in with full acceptance and love is what will pave the way for a highly developed community to flourish because it is able to remain humble and loving and conscious that it will never be perfect nor should that be the goal....but that as long as we are moving towards that end we can rest assured that it would be a place of great Love and Wisdom and a recognition of the human condition.

@Twentyfirst Thanks. It's the same trap most "awakened" teachers fall into - it all feels so easy and direct from their free, ego-less position that they think everyone just needs to SEE YOU'RE GOD RIGHT NOW. Yeah, what about all the patterns that make you miserable, cloudy and ignorant that you've been working through for years before you could even remotely grasp what you truly are? If we don't learn, even through the simplest teachings, how to harmonize everything in us, growing up and flowering as awakeness is impossible. Awakening without integration and embodiment is dry. It's not an either/or thing - be awakened and free or not. No, you're here to love yourself - all of it. There is nothing but self-love. Love your heart and you will want to know what you are. You will want to face every demon, because you love all of this beauty here so much. There are teachings which just give you this spark of loving yourself. They won't tell you "sorry, not full God realization". This is not helpful most of the time. It's like teaching, coaching and stuff like that - you can talk all you want, if you don't develop the capacity to attune to what the being in front of you needs right now to make its next step, even your highest teaching won't do anything.

I use to have a similar perspective. I view it somewhat differently now. The more I awakened to know I am eternal and everything is entertainment. Ultimately there is no difference between my desire to awaken versus someone else exploring being asleep. When I was judging my pursuit of awakening as being better, I was viewing it through my limited perception of time and being a finite human.

This is so very true, and I feel like humanity as a whole, including awakened beings, is still in the early infant stage of embodying higher consciousness. It's as you say a challenge already because our systems are not capable of holding the magnitude of understanding and consciousness - and this seems necessary to embody that. Moreover, we have no mirrors, no grown up, awake beings that show us how to be with one another. That's why I tend to intuit that it first is gonna take a group of exclusively mature, highly conscious beings to explore what it means to live from that place. Then, a structure needs to be found and held that allows people to enter, mature and awaken while the whole community/system stays in balance. I feel this is the most challenging part of it all. How do we build a community so conscious that no darkness can bring it out of harmony, out of balance - that literally outshines all darkness and swallows division to leave only Love, Truth, and ever deepening realization? To me, this is one of the most fascinating questions ever. And I want to help humanity take the first steps, even though this endeavour might take thousands of years. I feel like we are in a long evolutionary process of adapting our systems to hold ever more high states of consciousness - I mean that's what has obviously been happening in the universe and it feels like an archetypal, natural pattern of God to do so. I also intuit that great, awakened thinkers and story tellers might show us how it could be done through novels and such - maybe exploration must be the first step which then inspires us to try things out. I'm so driven to make some steps in this direction. I don't care how many communities failed. Let's try again! For love <3

I don't know about this. 1. If he made the videos only for himself, then why the need to upload the videos online, get a shit ton of backlash and cult-calling unnecessarily? Also, possibly legal actions taken towards him, due to his videos causing deep issues to unstable minds? All this is just making his life harder, completely unnecessarily. What's the point? In this context, you can (maybe) argue that he is uploading the videos to make money to survive, as his life purpose, but then it deeply contradicts this because life purpose = serving others = not doing this only for himself. You can also (maybe) argue that he is uploading the videos solely for money and not as his life purpose but then he is going against his philosophy of making income through your life purpose. And also, what is his life purpose even then? Selling a course on how to find a life purpose? 2. Then you say: ''If you don't want Truth don't expect others to try and convince you.'' Meh. If you wanted Truth, you wouldn't need anyone to convince you in the first place. Likewise, How the hell do you want Truth if there are no any teachers (sources of inspiration) to introduce you to this whole world of Truth? Sure, the first ever people to go after Truth didn't have any teachers, by definition. But these people were extremely rare. And even then, some people probably intentionally or unintentionally convinced them of Truth or of starting the journey to seek the Truth. I mean, are you seriously claiming that the role of all the spiritual teachers and leaders in the past were useless? Come on now. There is a reason 99.9% of people have no fucking idea of what Truth is - because there's not enough influence on them. I don't think I would have started doing this work myself, if it wasn't for teachers guiding me and introducing me into this world. To say that that all the public wisdom, books, teachings and deep insights of spiritual masters out there are useless, is stupid. They have definitely convinced and inspired thousands, if not millions of people to become seekers. All these seekers wants Truth precisely because they have been convinced that they are asleep and that there is something like waking up and Truth. This is pretty much as stupid as the new-agey people who says that there is nothing to do, you are already awakened. ''No one can convince you into seeking Truth, you are either interested or you are not, there is nothing to do. Don't doubt yourself and seek for inspiration or any teachers to change your mind and show you the path''. This inaction is precisely what Leo is against. Please now. What is the point of this forum? Aside from all the practical normal human stuff, it is pretty much just bunch of people and Leo trying to convince each other of Truth or the seeking of it. Whatever their Truth is.

@Leo Gura I knew with the profound insights you have had you must realize this too. Once I awakened to this truth jealousy almost completely dissolved for me. You recently made this comment. "You set a rule that if she cheats on you, there are no second chances, she loses you forever." Isn't this just a matter of integrating our deeper insights into our finite ego mind? I feel jealousy can be completely transcended to a point where you could actually enjoy and get pleasure from knowing your partner is enjoying sex with someone else. What are your thoughts on polyamory? I think our models of relationships will evolve as consciousness evolves.

Lol, you guys don't get it. If you haven't awakened to the truth in the video, you don't want to watch the video. If you have awakened to it, it doesn't matter if you watch it or not. The video is entertainment for the awakened, and a disaster for the seeker who seeks awakening.

Kundalini awakening means awakening of your body/mind complex, through various yogic techniques. Believe it or not, there are parts of your brain that are sleeping or not working at full capacity, when those parts of the brain are activated the neurochemistry of your whole body is going to change and so even your everyday experience might change accordingly. People are unnecessarily scared of the awakening of kundalini, it has become almost like an urban myth in spiritual circles. In my experience there is no difference between the awakening of kundalini and awakening, they are one and the same thing. In fact, the following weeks of a session of 5-meo-malt I am usually in an awakened state, I have visions, if I meditate I get easily back to a non-dual state and I experience other weird phenomena. Basically I get to the same place via the practice of kriya yoga, obviously not as deep as a peak of a psychedelic trip but still. My suggestion is to not divide the use of psychedelics and kundalini yoga they reach the same end goal by different routes, changing the chemistry of the brain directly versus changing the chemistry of the brain through physical practice and inner energy modulation. Clearly if you don't want to experience weird phenomena stay away from inner work altogether. Lastly, I suggest this book to everyone that wants to really learn about kundalini: kundalini tantra by Swami Satyananda Saraswati.

Just stand in their presence and breathe. Also; pay attention to how they relate. An awakened being treats everyone and everything with loving kindness and respect. Then again, who cares where anyone's at... People love turning everything into a competition. Awakening is not an exception.

Eckhart is open about psychedelics. He openly spoke about taking LSD, to get a perspective on "psychedelic awakened people". However, he didn't recommend it. Being aware is enough for him.