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I think you are not grasping the infinite regress problem. You cannot say that this present moment is caused by an infinite chain of previous causes. Because it would take infinite time to reach this moment. Therefore never really reach it . Example: Q: If something can’t come from nothingness, who created God? A: An earlier divine being. Q: Who created the earlier divine being? A: An even earlier divine being. Q: And who created that divine being? A: An even earlier divine being. Q: And who created that divine being? A: An even earlier divine being. Q: And who created that divine being? …and so on forever..

If I am nothingness, like leo said, why can I only epxirience through the senses of some random person? I am NOT this person, not this mind. But still, there is something unique to that mind and body. And that is that I can only expirience through that mind and body. So if this mind and body dies, will I still be able to epxirience? How? Because expiriencing is the most beautiful thing I can imagine. According to what leo said, when my body and mind die - nothing is lost since that was not me in the first place. But I still feel like I lose everything. I am as much this body as I am the coffee table. But the coffee table can´t experience feelings, sight, smell - all the beautiful things. It just is there. But without expiriencing as much. Probably without expiriencing anything. Could it be that the lower self needs to be there to make the higher Self possible? But the question that I want to be answered the most is the one in the first line. If I am everything, why can´t I experience everything - but instead just experience through that body and mind that I am not. I hope someone will get what I mean with this question.

I took out that beautiful powder and proceeded to snort it. While I was cleaning the set before laying down in bed, I start noticing a bit of stiffness in my body, not as fluid as normal. Also, as I have not much experience with ketamine, I was a bit fearful about the dosage, yet surrendering and going with the flow. I lie in my bed and put the diamond sutra. I feel a strong coming up of ketamine with a bit of anxiety and mind thought did I take too much? Will I be able to handle it? Am I going to lose my shit in this trip? However, this is one of the few hindrances I have during my trips, I generally do not feel good in the coming up. So, I realized nothing could be done at that moment, you just relax and let it be without carrying on with the thought current of fear. All the body starts feeling more relaxed, almost numb, not in an uncomfortable way but also not in a pleasurable way, it was the way it was, and probably this pointer is very much the flavor of ketamine I got, anyway, let's carry on. At that moment, my cat enters my room, she knows I was tripping and went to say hello, I was a bit unsettled by her company when she moved but once she started sleeping me with it was great, if you trip with animals you know. I start feeling more spacious, like I have an inch more of sight before my eyes, like I was seeing from inside my skull. For a moment, to come up was strong and I started getting a bit of this feeling of no directions. These are all mental constructs, up and down, left and right, this caused me a bit of nausea. However, I felt nausea was a mental construct too, which then disappeared when I realized it. Once that happened, strangely I was again feeling orientation in my body just that I was aware of the space inside my body, not full 3d scan but an inch inside all my body and my legs were very relaxed. Now the insights, I realized the fact that I was grabbing things, better said, that all I thought as real or anchors of my reality were only so because I was grabbing them tight. For example, the fear in the beginning, or even my own mind, my mind existed only because I was grabbing it tight. Then, I became aware of the "I" in me which was strongly caught, like a knot plus pressure. I couldn't stop grabbing it, yet I became aware that if I stopped grabbing it, "I" would disappear, which from my state of consciousness now is understandable, but in that state of consciousness it hits you real hard. Put yourself in a higher state of consciousness, be intense with me now, the mind that is reading this words exists because you are holding it, mind has no life of its own. The "I" you are experiencing now is being grabbed so strongly and tight by nothingness. At that moment, I could not get a no-self experience at all because of the immense conglomerate and solidity of this "I", but I understood that it is my own making and that it has not me, but I have it. The message of the trip is letting go of everything. Come with me as you read, don't merely read, go behind my words, to what I'm pointing: This reality is what you think it is because you have so-called anchors. Whatever you believe this reality to be, consciousness, your own Self, love, memories you bring to the present, past experiences, mental constructs, feelings, body sensations... All that, you are grabbing. I thought that by grabbing to my past enlightenment experiences I was being more awake, yet it is clear for me now that it's not the case. I want to grab enlightenment, that is the problem. It is the grabbing, therefore let go. It is the grabbing of enlightenment the obstacle to enlightenment, therefore let go. It is the grabbing of yourself, of "I", therefore let go. I felt like an endless flower opening and opening, letting go and letting go. And the diamond sutra was pointing at the same all the time, let go of everything and then let go of nothingness. It was all the time the same, probably the essence of Buddhist teachings, to let go of everything even of letting go, being utterly free. Even the senses in some way you are holding, it is crazy in a normal state of consciousness to say that or to do it, but despite that, it was my experience, everything is being grabbed to give a sense of reality of existence, like nothingness solidifying into somethingness and being able to be aware of that process and letting go of all that, even of nothingness and nirvana, letting go of everything even of the "I", even of enlightenment, even of God; and then there is true God beyond your making, you do not need to make truth or hold God, it is always already the case, just be empty-handed, empty of emptiness, what is there that cannot be taken out or irreducible essence. That freedom of all that you thought real, to find what it needed no effort or absence of effort, the ever present groundless ground, you do not fall and get hurt, there is no end, the falling is eternal. The trip felt very short but the intuitions and insights were valid for me, specially the Buddhist ones. I had never explored this area of consciousness. I do not know much about Buddhism, a bit of zen but really not much. However, they are very legit experiences, I mean they are not that dry as one could think. They are really profound, getting deleted into nothingness and then deleting that nothingness, wow. I now agree with Leo when he said that you could go down to cessation or up to infinity. It felt a bit strange for me as it sounds too linear, the end points should touch as a circle, literally has been the case always in my previous explorations, maybe if I go deep enough it eventually does but Leo doesn't agree in this point. It is true that Buddhist that go all the way down don't seem to realize infinity or God, which is a strong point, yet there is something in me that keeps telling me that it must be circular and endpoints should merge. Anyway, I will definitely explore more this letting go or surrendering. This ketamine experience opened myself up to the fact that I can let "everything and nothing" go, when you do so, something beyond words is there. If you read it all thank you very much, hope you got new insights. Also be careful, one thing is to read, another to experience, states of consciousness are everything, you want to get to that state where it really hits you.

Attempting to find that magic pill to get me to be enlightened and at the same time recognizing that there isn't one. Wanting to understand Leo's take on things with regard to love. If there is not love, how can anything be real? When I explore Who am I? and others ponders of "going meta" I have a conflict that comes up. I am not religious, although I have been in and out of church's and currently seeking a spiritual understanding. Is that a story in the abstract? Is it not real the overwhelmingly impressive feeling of love? I had an encounter, something different than our traditional story encounters. This was unique. It was undeniable, and felt more real than almost anything! Although I recognize my inner voices tried to hush it, and downgrade it etc. This experience is very hard to describe with in the confines of words. It was an extremely strong feeling of love, this was nothing like the worldly love I have felt throughout my life, like love of family, husband/ wife love, not like that. More unconditional, and BIGGER. It was also an experience of understanding. IT was a HUGE reality that everything is in fact perfect. I also understood that I am simply able to not see it outside of this experience I had and I even understood that is was currently impossible for me to understand it, even though I was blessed (sorry don't have another word here) to have the glimpse of it. If it is not spiritual than what is it? I got the sense I have a mission, a time sensitive one at that. That I choose to be here. Not me- the essence of me, I actually knew what I was getting myself into. All these questions, all this suffering. Ok- so I AM seeking the truth. This will be an outlet of my discoveries, if I am so allowed to do so freely.

Yes , Infinity , God , is really good words because thats what it truly is, in its essence, it is so ineffable so it is impossible to speak about it, but truly, enlightenment or serious awakening really makes everything completely meaningless, but not necessarily in a bad way, it is like coming home but simultanously it is pure madness, thoughts, concepts etc, is a way to veil the truth because it is frightening, and then the realization becomes, "life" is absolutely perfect as it is. Nothingness can not overcome it either so to speak, it is too free to be limited to it. Because it contains all that there is, even the not is as well in a paradoxically way. Like outside is looking in and outside does not even exist ? Funny, cosmic joke.

Yup, that’s survival in action. I think it just takes time. As Leo said it’s just getting the reps in. Whenever you desire truth more than you desire to live then you’ll be willing to yield into nothingness. Keep it up!?

When I was younger I used to get in deep logical debates and argue and provide proof etc. to prove my position or frame of thinking/perspective/opinion as superior. Maybe I'm surrounded by a lot of younger people because its like I'm talking to my younger self on this forums. So many people on this forum when they reply to you they write a book....a literal book. You really do not need to write a book as a reply. For your normal posts when you are sharing something write as much as you want. But you do not need to write a book to reply to someone. Do you know how much time someone has to spend trying to interpret what you are saying and the significance and interconnectedness of each point? The purpose of writing is to be understood. You don't want it to be an ordeal for the person you are communicating with to understand you. Of course YOU know the meaning of what you are typing its in your head, but you need to be short and simple and offer to go in depth if the person needs clarification. I have had this issue in the past where I used to believe I had to explain every last detail and learned over time people don't need that or most times even want that. I still do this when I talk but thankfully I have cleaned it up my writing. So let's recap, if you want to post a long post to share something go for it. But when you converse with people on the forums and engage in discussion keep your replies short and simple and offer to go in depth if they are open to it. Now this isn't me trying to control anyone you can do as you please, its just friendly advice. I've outgrown debates, I already burned through that karma I'll say a couple of responses then I'm bailing I'm not sticking around to write walls of texts and pontificate on the many perspectival meanings of nothingness. Once you realize everything is you, and everything is nothing....why spend hours in debate? Speak your perspective, give a couple responses and keep it moving I say but to each his own. We are all going to disagree with each other for various reasons, and trigger each other at times (which is a good thing actually as it is a chance to see where some hidden resistance is) so buckle up as this forum is not for the faint of heart. All I ask is consider the receiver of your communication when you choose to respond.... if they want you to write a book...they'll order one lol.

I would describe something similar. It is like you realize all of existence is nothingness and this nothingness expands and expands as you merge with all of it. You become indistinguishable from all of reality when you are nothing. Some describe it as the abyss. I remember how I kinda freaked out when that happened and I stopped meditating for a bit. I triggered it with the help of the power of now by Eckhart Tolle. When the ego mind does not contextualize itself with past and future you are left with the present. Transcending time is the same as transcending ego and it could create these sorts of experiences. I would like to see advice on how to not freak out when that happens to do that I can just enjoy what I'm not used to. Maybe I would meditate more. At the very least you can try different forms of meditation like satisfaction or body scans. At least I found they were less intense.

But what drives "gravity" to pull things down? Or what drives gravity to be the way it is? Unity by its own concept (regardless if you awakend to it or not) must include everything within itself—not even nothing can be outside it. One cannot have the whole or unity on one side, and the parts, forms, or differences on another. You see? To grasp a concept which contains everything in its full difference and contradiction in respect to itself, yet is not an empty abstraction like pure being or empty nothingness is not an easy task. So unity is only unity by virtue of the parts and differences which make it up, and these differences only are differences insofar they find themselves in a united whole and their respective place to each other within the context of the whole. This separation and these Differences, when looked at from a higher consciousness, they'll seem tautological. So they're differences that really aren't differences lol

What deep sleep nothingness? Has never happened lolz.

They are not any less or more real than any other state of consciousness. There Is no degrees to the "realness " of consciousness. But there are degrees to the intensity of consciousness. And its easily verifiable when you drink caffeine or smoke a joint that you enter a higher state of consciousness. Same with mystical experiences. They are not more real than your ordinary state of consciousness . But they are higher In intensity. Yea .reality is what you are experiencing right NOW. Not sure how does that mean there is no reality? Death is a belief. There Is no actuality whatsoever to death other than a thought you are imagining right now (since we agree that reality is only what we are experiencing right now ). You don't have to die or fall asleep to experience "nothingness ". Nothingness is everything you are experiencing right now. This is all nothing. Science has proven that 99% of physical matter is empty space.

I feel like something is missing here and all there is is not consciousness but consciousness is what nothingness appears as when it takes a form and consciousness is secondary to nothingness

@Someone here okay great so this is what I want to get at If mystical experiences are also just some states that consciousness can take then who's to say they are the real reality behind everything and also even if they feel more real than the reality we are in it's just a heightened sense of reality isn't it? I mean I'm just saying more real is still not a conformation for them to be the real actuality of everything what if there is no reality to anything and reality quote on quote is just a term to describe what you are feeling and sensing at the moment then if all of these are the case then who can say it is the same thing that happens when we die? (I mean a mystical experience) And more on that if that is really what happens when we die (I mean we experience a mystical experience) then maybe we just experience it for some time then we fade away into nothingness same as the dreamless deep sleep state which has no form at all whatsoever

Soo if a person owns land or part of a floating rock out in nothingness then they can claim ownership? Lease or rent out this land to another person for invisible numbers called money which you own? If a person owns all of this floating rock (earth) or land then how can another person claim ownership? Can you own the ocean? Can you lease out the ocean? Or own air & oxygen? Owning outer space.. Owning stars & planets? Owning the weather? Owning a metaverse? Owning nature? Can you build your own internet or your own youtube platform or your own database hub thing? If you build an island can you own it? Can you turn said island into a country? Owning an invisible idea such as a country? Creating your "own" country. Your "own" military? Say you wanna start your own country and own the entire place. How would that work? Do you own humans if they live on your country? Lease the human out to another? How do people come up with this? Considering slavery wasn't abolished but.. 157 years ago? Or ~6 generations. What about with making and creating a currency and claiming it as "your own" money. Such as claiming paper money or invisible numbers or crypto? Making up your own numbers? Lending money for money? Creating your own rules? Such as creating the idea of inflation or using influence to alter value metrics? So a group of people (pilgrims) came to America and simply claimed ownership? So a group of people (migrants) travel out west and gain free ownership of land? Does ownership depend on.. military power? Hard power? A belief? A narrative? Who determines ownership? ______________ Mine vs yours vs ours. Toothbrush A. Private ownership (Mine or Yours &/or ours) B. Public ownership (Ours) C. Collective ownership (Mine & yours or Ours) D. All of above E. Depends on use Toothbrush 1. Cleaning teeth = collective ownership? Nah 2. Cleaning dogs teeth = private ownership 3. Cleaning toilet = public ownership 4. Cleaning floor = Depends on use __________ Ownership appears to be connected with responsibility too. A person whos an owner tends to be at the position of cause. Taking full action of creation. Putting that person in a position of power? So ownership is connected with the perception of power dynamics in this reality. Seems a little bizarre how this is. So our words create images and concepts that shape the fabric of reality. So our beliefs and words are what create ownership. Without speaking words and creating beliefs its hard to declare ownership or MINErship. Owning a business or "My business". Owning the workers for the business. Owning the products. Its amazing how social constructs such as shareholders makes ownership even more abstract. Investors and estate ownership. Owning majority of a companies collective shares? Owning a supply chain? Owning a market? Owning a niche? Owning commerce? Owning money. Invisible numbers on a paper that is lent out by banks by fractional reserves. Who comes up with this crap. Owning a job? This is my job!! Stop doing my job. Americans identify mainly with their jobs? This job says me. I'm the doctor. No, you're a human that helps other humans.. I'm the therapist. No. You just listen to people and give advice. I'm the lawyer. No, you're a person that sits around talking about rules. No sugar coating identity. Call it what it is. Essentially giving people jobs in trade for time in trade for money.. In trade for ownership of stuff. Owning a house.. owning a box to put stuff in. "I own this property. You can't tell me what to do in my house." Owning a mansion. Owning a movable house. Owning a car and using it as a dwelling. Owning a tent vs owning. Feesimple ownership vs leasehold ownership.. Owning a wife... "This is my wife! She's not your wife because she's my wife." I claimed her as my wife because I got on one knee." Are you single? "No, I have a boyfriend". So you own your boyfriend? To have like property? So the boyfriend is property? Owning 100 cats...... ? + ? = ????^5 Owning children... Having 10 kids? 100 kids? 1000 kids? Is there a limit? Literally, grandparents can have like +70 decendents. If they have 10 kids. Those 10 kids have 5 kids each. Say a person moves to a different country and gets someone pregnant at a club then moves to a different country. How exactly does child ownership work? If the parent doesn't want to be the "owner" (parent) because they didn't want a child. Owning.. Intellectual property.. copy right information. Trademarks. Branding information.. Word marks. Graphic design stuff.. Owning logos.. Google logo. The cross. The peace sign ✌ Owning data? Your information and choices. Financial data.. Interests.. Do you own your phone? Do cellular companies own you? Owning the frequencies? Owning Bluetooth? Owning radiation? Owning resources? Food, water, and shelter. Owning sunlight & electricity? Owning energy? Owning or domestication of animals.. or pets.. Owning a pet store (animal store). Owning Livestock.. Owning the things that derive from animals. Eggs, milk, feathers, meat, and their own offspring. Owning a grocery store? What does the grocery store do with all the food it doesn't sell? Giving ownership of food away? Owning a robot? Owning artifical intelligence? What does that even mean to own an army of robots? Owning automated systems? Owning time? My time zone is.. "Don't waste my time." How much is your time worth? Owning your own mind? My mind is typing this? Am I typing or is my mind typing this unconsciously? Owning your own thoughts. These are Mythoughts™ or does this website claim my information as its information? Get your own thoughts! Stop stealing my thoughts. Actually, these thoughts are worth $2,000,000.99 I'm going to create a course and charge people for "thoughts". I have to let people know these valuable thoughts were my thoughts so "I" gets proper admiration & recognition. Joking. Owning your own body? Donating a heart? Wait, thats my organs.. Owning your arm, your leg, your teeth, your hair. Donating your body to science? Wait, so you can give your body. Selling your hair? Selling blood. I mean, donating blood. Selling sperm? If I'm sleepwalking. Do I own my body? Where am I? Who owns the body when we die? Apparently people want the ashes of their dead parents or pet hamster. Owning a small amount of land to bury a person or a grave? Huh Owning your own soul? Not sure what this means or how this works in this reality. Under mind control? Being possessed by a spirit? Owning everything? I guess that's God? Owning nothing? (And you will be happy...?) I mean, we eventually die & literally can't bring anything with us. Who's to say anything even exists if its all a dream or an illusion or just floating particals. I mean, nearly everything we "own" fades away. Or do these words that are typed on this device on to this website exist forever? I mean, who's to say the internet will be around forever. I mean, 200 years ago all humans were dead (that I'm aware of). Even then thats based on this 3D reality if there is a different dimension of reality then does ownership work on different dimensions? Or is ownership only a thing of this 3D reality. https://youtu.be/QOTVpGfEdqQ

The Saint= Avoids all forms of immorality. Upholds the highest moralist virtues. Preaches eternal damnation and suffering for those who do not follow their example. Shadow= Cannot tolerate any forms of immorality done in their presence, the occults. Seeker of Truth= An investigator, a spiritual scientist, a metaphysical explorer, one who seeks the deepest understandings of the foundation of the universe/reality and all that entails. Shadow= The ordinary, the mundane, the non-spiritual, deception, lies, victim-blaming, lack of self-reflection, shallowness. The life of the party= The one who always knows how to raise the energy to rock star extrovert levels, can crack a joke, lead a discussion, and overall keep the energy going for the group all night long. Shadow= obscurity, alone, ignored, looked over/passed over, lack of importance or prestige, The scholar= Has studied the deepest philosophical and scientific truths, theorems, and is on the edge constantly of every major scientific endeavor. Shadow= Mysticism, New Age Spirituality, Hippie culture, religion, counter culture, the occults. The coward= Extremely shy, pessimistic, fearful, already defeated before the battle/struggle. Shadow= The Brave and the Bold, The optimist, the faith believer, the wing it guy, the it will all work out with no explanation guy. The moralist/serious one= Believes there is a right or wrong way to do things. Believes in logic, order, and is almost mechanical in the way they view life. Shadow= jokes, playing around, disorganization, meaninglessness. The warrior= Love the next challenge, seeks to test their skills at every increasing levels, revels in their accomplishments and victories. Shadow= cowardice, loss of control, weakness, victims/victim mentality, emotional expressions of love or fear. The doubter= Thinks everything is fake, because ultimately they view themselves as fake. Struggles to find any truth or meaning in everything. The brother of nihilism. Shadow= Meaning, authenticity, truth, love, purpose, fun, joy. The nihilist= The world, everything is meaningless in a depressive spiral of nothingness towards an endless void of triviality and depravity. Shadow= Love, meaning, inspiration, Joy, Bliss, interconnectedness, Oneness. Add more if you can think of some.

Haha. Of course you're the jackass named Froto, and every other jackass in existence. How could you not be? You're joking yet still somehow you think there is actually a difference between you and Froto the Jackass? Nope. Somehow you think that there is a difference between this "nothingness" you identify as and Froto the Jackass. Nope. It's You. Not someone or something else. You. Not "nothingness", not "isness". You. You, @VeganAwake are the Jackass.

God realisation and Advaita ultimately point to the same thing. Two sides of the same coin. There are just different levels of egoic attachments to words like nothingness, God, "you", etc. Nothingness can also be conceived as "you" (the big you, AKA God, AKA Reality, AKA infinity, AKA everything). The word "you" does imply other however, and that's ultimately why Advaita doesn't like it, i.e. if everything is "you" then the differentiation "you" is in fact meaningless. 99% of the stuff people argue about on this forum is semantics. Remember that Gaurisankar and Mount Everest are the same mountain seen from different valleys. Or so the saying goes... (turns out it's not true actually, but that's beside the point )

In French, "Bonjour" literally means "Good Day". How would you say that to people Because I wanted to say Hello to people in French, without necessarily wishing them a good day. What if the person's was a murderer ? What if their "Good Day" was spent abusing children, or manipulating people. Why would I wish them a good day ? Basically, I was so obsessed about honesty that it became hard for me to interact normally with people. For me, small talk wasn't a "small" problem at all. But a few years ago, I finally found a solution to it. I had to work on my personal dictionary. I had to split my definition of truth in two parts. Practical Truth and Metaphysical Truth. Practical Truths are the useful ones. The ones people use in their day to day life. The ones that are "true enough" to help you get tangible results in life. For example : My laptop is in front of me right now. This is true enough. Sure, if you gave me 30 minutes and a joint, I could find a hundred ways to make that statement philosophically debatable or scientifically inaccurate. But if you wanted to borrow my laptop, I probably wouldn't answer "I don't really know what a laptop is. Or if any of us really exist. Or what borrowing even means". I would probably say "Yeah, here it is". Which is not metaphysically accurate, but still practically accurate. Metaphysical Truths are the ones that survive any kind of questioning. They are absolutely and fundamentally true. Unfortunately, during my own pursuit of truth, I reached a point where nothing is certain enough to be classified as a Metaphysical Truth. So I can't give examples. Even statements like "Something exists" doesn't seem solid enough for me. But some religious folks might include "God exists". Some spiritual folks might include "The real self is nothingness". Some scientific folks might include "Evolution is real". No problem with that... I want to hear your thoughts on the subject ! What do you classify as Metaphysical Truth ? Do you split Practical Truths in subcategories, depending on their level of consciousness, or the level of personal development needed to access them ? Do you see totally different levels than the two I proposed ? Do you think about those things as much as I do ? And finally, I wish you a good day everyone !

Yes. Look into Rob Burbea’s teachings on the energy body. That’s going to be the easiest, most practical way to break through the persistent sensory contraction state of body sensations. You can train this skill until the sensations of the body can expand out into infinity, or contract back into nothingness, until this pendulum of expansion and contraction is one movement, the same movement, on a single scale.

Here's a way of going about it. Every night you relax and begin to fade away till everything is gone. There is no more "you', or the world, just nothingness. Then the mind (God/You) begins to create anything it wants. In a way this is death. Every night you surrender to death, and you have no issues doing so. So next time you take a substance, and feel like you're "dying", reframe it as you're "falling asleep". Maybe this reframing will make the transition smoother.

......... You don't understand what the no self means. The no self means that you are not just one identity, you are an infinite number of identities. Nothingness means that everything isn't made of anything. Its just imagination. What is imagination made up of? Nothing. So everything is nothing and any rules is self imposed by imagination. When you guys on the forums pretend the ego doesn't exist, you are confused. The ego not existing is a tool to get to the true identity of I am. Not I am a human, or I am smart. No I am Infinity, I am ONE, I am everything, I am Nothing, or if you want...silence as all labels are just pointers. The reason Leo says you exist....is because you guys really don't get it. Existence and non existence are the same. Go into a deep sleep with no dream. Without a dream, God/reality does not exist. Without a dream there is no reality. But even then God still exists, because God can DREAM itself into existence. That is how God came to be, it dreamed/imagined itself into existence.

christianity ✝️ : The concept of heaven in the afterlife in Christianity and the bible is so boring and disappointing. You will simply be in the companion of Jesus christ and glorifying the Lord for all eternity. We will be like the angels that hold the throne of God. We will be made of pure light just like angels. And we will praise and glorify God for the rest of eternity. Until the end of time .which of course has no end . If you ask me i would rather go to hell than exist in this boring place forever..that is the heaven as described in the bible . islam ?: When it comes to Islam though..things get a little bit interesting. Heaven in Islam is simply a place for hedonism. Its described as an infinite garden full of all kinds of tasty fruits and other kinds of food (rivers of honey and milk and wine ) all mentioned in the quran ..and the most important part of course is the 72 virgins lol. Muslims believe that in heaven you will engage in eternal sex with heavenly gorgeous women forever without getting tired or bored.and without your dick going numb .you will be in a constant state of sexual excitement until the end of time .which of course has no end . If you ask me ..Mohammed was a genius in his description of heaven to motivate people to follow his religion. Buddhism ☸: finally let's talk about Buddhism .Buddhists have a term for heaven which is called "Nirvana ". Nirvana is the ultimate aim of every serious Buddhist. Nirvana Is simply a complete lack of existence. Pure nothingness. According to Buddhism we live and reincarnate over and over again in this cycle of life and death called "Samsara " and life in Buddhism =suffering. And the root of suffering is our endless desire that can never be satisfied. So we should pursue killing our desire to break out of the cycle of life and Death to enter the sweet nothingness of Nirvana and never ever reincarnate again . If you ask me..Buddhism is a bit of nihilistic religion. When the heaven to them equals ceasing to exist. Then its a pretty depressing view . So what's YOUR view and definition of heaven? Do you even believe in an afterlife ? Can heaven be actualized in this world? And how would you describe your perfect paradise?.

I think there is nothing but word and concept salads. This viewing itself as this as a and b. C and d and e and f and g and h and i and j. Nothingness, emptiness, "vibration", becoming forms and concepts and concepts of concepts, and concepts of concepts of concepts, in the possibleness of infinite, and voila, welcome to existence which you've never not been huh.

Just cutting to the chase for newcomers. All of these I've personally verified (my journey has been detailed here in the past) and are facets of awakening and levels of consciousness that I cannot describe as they are ineffable. But I'm just going to spoil it all for you. You can verify ALL of this yourself. 1. Why is there something rather than nothing? There isn't anything. No object or physical object you interact with is actually there. There isn't a physical existence to it. It's all illusion. It's nothing, therefore uncreated, therefore necessary, eternal and infinite. This nothing exists alone, as there cannot be two existences as they would have to be nested within a greater reality, ad infinitum. There isn't a ground or limit to the master container of everything else, which is nothingness itself, or infinity. It is one and that is it. 2. You are not a human being. Close your eyes, what do you see? A transparent, empty void. No body. Just pure existence. This empty void is your personal VR set or screen in which all of reality appears. There is nothing but this empty void. THE VOID is hallucinating SOMETHING INSIDE OF IT to create the experience of interacting with something other than itself. Because there isn't anything BUT itself. You are this empty void. This is your True Identity. You can call this God as well. 3. Reality is a VR dream world. And you invented it to explore yourself through different lifetimes, characters, and situations. There is no code in this game. Everything you see and interact with is being rendered on the go through pure magic. You're in the Matrix, but there is no outside to the Matrix. It's infinite. 4. You've never gone anywhere or done anything. You've only imagined that you have through colors sounds and shapes on your VR set (your black screen that appears when you close your eyes). You as god are static and eternal. 5. You have no face. Try to find your face from your own POV. That's right. Instead of your face you have a big edgeless window through which you are interacting with the world, which is your own infinite schizoid mind. Who you really are is indescribable through words. Only you can experience it. Because this window is you. Namaste. : )

Let's try to define the thing. the truth is that we are an unlimited well of total intelligence, total love. limitless wealth. or what is the same, absolutely nothing. the nothingness that is flowing holiness. you recognize yourself completely in infinity, you were always that and you had forgotten. you are home again and your home is total existence. It is as if they make a hole in your chest where you look out to infinity. realizing this constantly, imo is enlightenment. anything else is misery, and something pushes you to find a solution to your misery. So you say you had an enlightenment experience after 2 weeks of meditating. and then? The hole got closed? What did you do to try to escape from the misery?