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This same argument could be used for yoga and meditation too. But you are right in that to claim there is a direct causality between psychedelics and awakening is really hard to prove. The same goes with meditation and with other spiritual practices too. But how much we can explain psychedelics away if enough people start to say, that "the very first time i used psychedelics i awakened". We could say that, "but how could we make sure, that that person really awakened and not just pretending it or misunderstanding something"? Of course that is possible, however the only way to collect data on this is by people sharing their subjective experience. Also, lot of nuance is possible. If you do this certain practice like that it may help you awaken but if you do it in a slightly different way you won't. Again this could be said for any method or practice. But, if a lot of people start to claim that it was because of psychedelics , then there is a claim number ,where we can say that there is at least a correlation, if not a causation. If thats the case, that a lot of people claim that they awakened using psychedelics, then we can't say that all of that was because of coincidence, because there is an underlying process going on that must be investigated and explained. The only way to really make sense of this, is to collect statistical data and compare them. But its really hard to collect data on how could psychedelics can help you awaken, because they are illegal almost everywhere. But we shouldn't forget this: "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". I don't even know how much statistical data is about how certain spiritual practices could help you awaken. The people who would do the comparison and the people who would make their conclusion and experiment and research would have to understand what awakening is really about. Also, we can use time to investigate this. For example, people who claim they awakened from psychedelics, you can ask them when did they take psychedelics, and how much after that did they awaken? Because if all or most of them are saying that it was directly after using psychedelics then there is at least a correlation if not a causation between using certain psychedelics and awakening.

You are completely biased and have no clue about what psychedelics do. Some people have opened their third eye PERMANENTLY off one use of a psychedelic. Psychedelic work WAY faster and take you to higher states that ordinary practices won't do as quickly or efficiently. Psychedelics are just a catalyst, a tool, you are still dealing with your own mind. 1. Psychedelics make you hallucinate. All hallucinations are visions and trances created by the mind to force you to deal with a specific fear. This is why the moment you overcome the fear the hallucination STOPS. The medical field hasn't even discovered this but I learned this off ONE use of the drug. 2. When he talks baseline he means how you are in normal settings. But here is the kicker, some people get kundalini awakenings off psychedelic use. Once kundalini is awakened it becomes INCREDIBLY easy to raise your baseline level of consciousness through meditation. In fact the PURPOSE of meditation is to release that energy, so you CAN reach what is called samadhi or a natural state of bliss by being connected to the source of all creation. Pyschedelics can hasten both of these processes which would take DECADES to reach. I took 5 grams of psychedelics ONCE and have never used that drug since....it opened my third eye, showed me the other side, and started the dark night of the soul process. That was me taking it for the FIRST TIME!!! You know how long you would have to meditate to reach that process? I got into a car accident 2 days later and then had a kundalini awakening. So I reached 2 divine states that many spiritual practioners take decades to experience in 2 days!!! Because of psychedelics. Yeah....sure why would anyone listen to anyone telling them no. The truth is Leo was right, Psychedelics are a GREAT tool to learn to raise consciousness I speak from my own DIRECT EXPERIENCE. I learned more in those 2 days and 2 weeks following them than I learned my entire life and it was the greatest moment of my entire life. Things were revealed to me and I was tested and learned so much.

Everything is dictated by your state of consciousness. And you current state of consciousness is nowhere high enough to look past all possible suffering. Even a decade of meditation will not be enough to access the states of consciousness you would need to overlook all suffering. All sorts of things are theoretically possible. It's possible to do a triple back flip while juggling 3 razor sharp knives. The question is, how much work are you willing to do to train yourself to do it? You can certainly make a lot of progress to reduce your mental suffering and anxiety. But it will still require a ton of training and work. And this should not be conflated with pure consciousness. It is a technical mistake to conflate these two things. Which is what this whole discussion is doing. Make a distinction between awakened consciousness vs training the human mind/body to respond or behave in certain ways that you might find desirable.

I was taking him as an example of what it think a armonious Full Awakening can look like produce. Of course i would't set him as an axpectation haha. I'm just open to the possibility that if someone has a severe illness and existencially suffer from it, MAYBE is not fully awakened @Leo GuraNone of what i've said denies an involution of consciousness I would agree that that God can go back to sleep. What i'm sensing is that while spychedelics can give you a God Realization still this doesn't translate in the complete eradication of the tendency of God to stick to the Ego as a means to experience it self in day to day life, with the Suffering that follows all of that. I agree that God realization can come indipendently of the state of body and mind, but i think a trained mind and body are needed to sustain a Sahaja Samadhi in day to day life, otherwise certain tendecies and attachments reform and you are back in a state of craving and suffering. Lol i love your style Certianly many teachers overestimate themselves. I appreciate your honesty and your answers.

If you were awakened to absolute solipsism you wouldn't ask your dreamcharacter (me), if i had my own seperate experience or not.

@zurew Actually I am already awakened to solipsism. But I was confirming after new leos video that it still holds up. This dream is same as night time dream right? or you are saying you are having experiences too and your own pov? Bec it will not be solipsism.

The key that you are just necessarily missing until you've awakened beyond nonduality: reality isn't in a certain way. As in the actual structure of reality is constantly shuffling; there is no solid background reality. Impermanent; transient, but absolutely so... and that's the stillness. The singular frame of reality (all of them, though there really is no continuity) is gone as it appears, since the stillness of a phenomenon is simultaneous with its dissolution -- in a way this is how the illusion of time is so robust. At the highest levels of insight, it's beyond-beyond (infinitely fundamental/subtle) the usual insights that are bound by consciousness itself. You don't understand this insight in the usual sense, because the reality more fundamental than context and even consciousness is revealed. You don't know it, it's beyond knowing, because there is only that. It might seem like consciousness can't not be fundamental, or that when I say beyond (more fundamental than) consciousness, what I really mean is some kind of ultimate consciousness... No... I really do mean literally more fundamental than consciousness. Absolute being unbound by the trio/tripod of time-subject-object.

The problem with this view is that all your so-called enlightened teachers will suffer if you hit them over the head with a hammer. So you are setting a virtually impossible standard for anyone to meet. By this standard no one knows Truth, no one knows God, no one is awake. And this is false. Awakening and Truth-realization is independent of suffering. You can realize no-self and still suffer. If you doubt this, think of Christ on the Cross. You think he didn't suffer? Don't kid yourself. So are you going to deny Christ awakening and truth because he suffered? You see how silly this gets? Of course if you suffer easily that shows that there is much more work you could do on yourself. But it doesn't invalidate any awakenings or realizations you've had. Suffering is part of Absolute Truth. And just because you're not suffering also doesn't mean you're consciousness of the highest truths. This conflation of suffering and moral purity with awakening or truth is very problematic for students in this work. It creates a lot of wrong expectations which will never get met. Stop thinking that awakening or God-realization will make you macho, stoic, infallible, and morally perfect. It won't. Consciousness of Truth is just that, nothing more. You could still be addicted to whatever. If you don't think awakened people have addictions and cravings, you're kidding yourself. What's not wise is setting up simplistic litmus tests for consciousness of Truth. Like, for example, you are not conscious of Truth unless you can sit still cross-legged for 4 hours without flinching. This is a human-made litmus test which says nothing about one's consciousness of Truth. Truth is not testable by any such litmus test. All it takes to be conscious of Truth is to be conscious of Truth. Nothing more. If you are conscious of Truth but cannot sit still for more than 1 minute, you are still conscious of Truth. You just haven't trained your mind and body to meet some spiritual ideal you have set for yourself. I suffer plenty. But it doesn't make my awakenings any less real or valid.

My initial reaction to the latest video was genuinely "Leo's finally lost it". Of course the obvious counterpoint is that I'm not spiritually enlightened and I'm not actualized enough to understand. I'm open to that. But realize how extremely cult-y this sounds to even a moderately interested subscriber, let alone someone coming across the work for the first time. Let's assume what's said in the latest video is completely true. Even so, some things are so crazy to say that they aren't worth saying publicly. All it does is destroy credibility and make Actualized.org as a whole look insane. If the first solipsism video was too advanced and dangerous to release to the masses, this latest one absolutely is. Not because of danger to the viewer but just because it's optics suicide. We're definitely at a point where even hardcore non-enlightened followers can no longer follow along. "I'm talking to other Gods and technically they're real but also I'm the only one that's real and I created them, also all of this can only be realized on drugs" Like what is the average person to make of this. If the goal is to niche down to only the most hardcore followers, or leave something behind to be recognized for your genius hundreds of years down the road, then this is the right path. But if I considered myself the most awakened being in reality, I would personally want to put more emphasis on bringing non-enlightened people up to Sadhguru, Peter Ralston levels first. Instead of trying to elevate the top 1% even higher. I feel like appealing to the masses would make a more meaningful and needed shift in consciousness in the short term. Otherwise it's like trying to have a stage coral conversation with a medieval peasant. A long time ago there was an analogy of holding a mirror up in front of a donkey and saying "this is you!" No matter how many times you try to explain it, the donkey's mind is not capable of understanding. With this latest video, 90% of us are donkeys that literally can't comprehend. 9% are taking it as belief and mental masturbation. Far less than 1% who ever watch it will ever understand and experience it for themselves.

Okay, fine, that's true. But please stop calling this an "awakening." You could as well imagine a "physical reality" and then make a video about it claiming that you have "awakened to physical reality." No, you have IMAGINED it, and as God you can imagine anything. But no you have not awakened to an infinity of Gods, you confused your imaginary Gods to be something other than you imagination.

Because you don't. You obviously have not awakened yet. You still believe that you are the perception of body-mind. Become conscious of you are and than you'll also know who are those "other beings".

@charlie cho Of course there is a correlation, but usually undertanding something doesn't mean being able to teach it. Notice that exeptionality cannot be taught. No matter how good you are as a menager or you were as a player, no one has ever taught Messi or Jordan how to be exeptional. Not true. There were surely people with less attainment tha the Buddha who had great success with teaching. On the other hand, There are many awakened folk who would be pretty bad at teaching. These are the poeple that you don't see.

Let's sat you awakened to infinity or infinite love or spiritual solipsism....how to make sure you are right? How to know you are not deluded? Basically I'm asking what anchors all human knowledge and insights? How do we know anything at all is a tangent question. Some might say "direct experience "..but what if direct experience is fooling us ? After all direct experience does indeed fool us every night when we are sleeping (dreams)....so who's to say that your insight from direct experience is not a deception? Hope my question is clear . Any pointers appreciated ?

I’m not awakened, but I’m certainly in a heightened state of awareness. The intervals of frequency in how often I coming back into myself is increasing. Karma and Synchronicity are becoming more and more tangible, everything i say or do is being done more carefully as a result. My relationship with the world around is transforming and I feel extremely empowered vs the victim mentality i had held for pretty much all my life up until 2-3 months ago. I find myself going back to compare my old concepts I held with Leo’s videos to my present experience and it’s.. just not the same anymore. I’m spotting the inadequate metaphors and seeing how ineffective language can actually be for communicating this stuff to the point of disagreeing. With this new sense of clarity has posed the question: Am I past the point of no return? Does this hold momentum until absolute ego death? If you need more details about this experience or ones leading up to this just ask, I’m an open book. I don’t recommend asking me for advice to aid your own path as there is nothing I feel I can offer you in this state. However, recent synchronicities tell me to leave this channel open. So if you truly feel there is something you need to ask me, then ask at your own risk.

Stop spiritual practices? Who said I started? You see, once you realize that I’m not consciously aiming for enlightenment, rather I feel like I’m being lead towards the path just based on karma alone, you start to see why I came back after years of inactivity to try to get some clarity on this. Yes there is fear behind the intent, yes my ego is fully in tact. No I don’t do spiritual practices, It’s fair to say I have dwelled more in the conceptual realm of things to avoid seeking truth. I don’t even have a routine, let alone a stable life - add heightened awareness and an insane amount of energy behind that and these questions arrive organically from that mixture. I am not awakened but I feel a sense of certainty and connectedness with the world like I have never felt before.

@Someone here Are You the same one who claims to have awakened to Absolute Solipsism?

Yep it's both, there's a way and there's not a way! Self-inquiry/spiritual practices can perpetuate and prolong the illusion of separation AND/OR it can illuminate the futility of an unreal individual attempting to become awakened! There's nothing right or wrong better or worse with any practice or inquiry, there's just no one that's actually doing it!! ? ❤

@Someone here If you've "awakened to solipsism" why have you got a gay ass alien hippie pfp, SCREAMING, I'm a basic ass bitch, looking for a group to join

Yes, I think the most common is to merge with our sun, historically at least. However, I am not sure if they lost their individuality and became the sun or as a way to empower themselves and "ascend". According to an alternative historical theory, some of the ancient Egyptian mystery schools would have their students awaken their kundalini, cultivating bliss and then lucid dream together as a group and enter the sun. An awakened kundalini, bliss and a harmonious lifestyle will reverse the body's entropy and give it energy (cold plasma). @GreenWoods I have studied Dan Winter's teachings and they align with the information you shared here, he adds the scientific explanations for all this, he also invented an equation for how gravity works which I think will get accepted by the scientific world soon and create a bridge between science and spirituality.

Normal humans with low self-esteem don't get away with it. Life is hell for anybody who has low self-esteem (or traumatized or deeply wounded during childhood), spiritually gifted or not. But yes, it's worse for spiritually gifted humans. Yes, they are wrong. Spiritually gifted humans exist and it's highly genetics (80% to 90% for Awakening World Champions). That Indian man, Ramana Maharshi was completely spiritually gifted (91% to 100% genetics for The Most Awakened Ever). My grandmother was a very religious woman. She was very kind or benevolent, a true Christian. But she lived and died having severe schizophrenia. Maybe she was spiritually gifted. But I'm sure that she committed the mistake of spiritual bypassing. She neglected her desires, insecurities, and mental-emotional wounds. She also rejected her husband and family. She went Jesus-mode; leaving her family, selling her possessions and gave the money to the poor. But despite that, I love and respect my grandmother. She was the only human in this world who made me feel love when I was a kid. That love was unconditional; not perfectly unconditional but still unconditional. And I saw the biblical Jesus in her, very loving and selfless. This is true. Everybody needs to have high self-esteem, spiritually gifted or not. There is no point in living life if you have very low self-esteem. Life will just be hell and torture. And self-esteem is directly proportional to self-love. Focus on generating self-love because you automatically get high self-esteem and self-confidence, and you have a bigger chance of getting the other good things (wisdom, good health, success, etc.). And how can you love the entire existence if you can't even love your limited, human self? Lastly, be PRUDENT. You just can't talk about spirituality or spiritual insights to anybody, anywhere, anytime.

God is the best world to describe reality. If you want to evaluate someones degree of awakening, ask them what they are. If they do not use the word God, they most likely didn't get to the deeper waters. Why is God the best word? It is simple: The word "God" is associated with certain qualities, all of which apply to truth / reality / this present moment. These qualities are: Singularity: God is singular. There is nothing else. Only God exists Intelligent: God is intelligence itself. God is infinitely intelligent All-powerful: God is Power itself. Infinite Power. When God snaps his fingers, our entire Universe appears out of nowhere Loving: In fact, God IS Love, unconditional infinite Love Source/Creator: God is the Souce/Creator from which our entire reality came from Why do people use words other than God? It is simple, and I know it will hurt your spiritual ego: You are asleep. People calling reality "the present moment", "a movie", "the Now", etc. are simply not awake. Being fully awake you would realize that what you called "the Now" is simply GOD, and that the word God is a much more accurate word to describe what they previously called "the Now." Many people in our days have realized the truth of "No-Self", meaning that your psychological identity is an illusion. However, too many people create a new kind of identity out of that realization, an "I am no-self-realized and awakened" identity. They get attached to the idea that they are awake now, even though they have no plausible explanation of where this present moment came from, who created it, etc., and they start preaching no-self as if it is the end-all, be-all. One great example of this is a previous mod of this forum (@Nahm) who took neo-advaita way too far and therefore got demoted. The Truth... The Truth is simple and easy to put into words. People who disagree with the following statement are simply not awake: You are GOD. You are the Source of all of Reality. You are Love. You are Singular. You are all-powerful, infinitely intelligent, you are eternal Infinity. Again. When people shy around using these words, they simply don't understand the highest truth. Yes, of course you have no "self", yes of course you are "the present moment"... But have you realized what "no self" means, have you seen what this present moment really is? This present moment, as it is, is only 1 thing: GOD. You are God, dreaming that you are a small creature that has realized no self. You are NOT a small creature. Wake up NOW!

@JuliusCaesar I want to deepen my understanding of the structure of reality and how consciousness is imagining it. Also, expand my understanding of the different layers of mind, their different functions and how they work together. I'm not sure 5-Meo is the best substance for this. When I have proposed some of these questions to Leo, he didn't know. It may be that since 5-Meo is so effective at expanding your consciousness to infinity, a lot of the details are lost. A few other people I have talked with who awakened with 5-Meo to the realization they are creating reality, when asked still don't really understand how any of it is happening. 5-Meo seems very effective at giving people a very zoomed out meta perspective.

Before I experienced awakening I studied the hell out of Non-Duality and disagreed strongly that I didn't need the experience to awaken. After hearing several times that without the experience you have not awakened I eventually took some courage and took mushrooms and experienced EGO DEATH and the DARK NIGHT OF THE SOUL. I learned pretty intensely that YOU CANNOT AWAKEN WITHOUT DIRECT EXPERIENCE. If anyone is telling you otherwise they are telling you a lie. What happened as a result of my awakening. I went through a Kundalini Awakening. My body was altered, I now have increased intuition, increased connection to energy, a direct connection to my higher self, increased occular vison, and smell, I also have some psychic abilities but since I am not adept at meditation my ability to use them at this time is limited. So again I repeat, when you awaken....you will know. Its not the way Rupert Spira says where he says its a normal thing, no its not. It will literally alter the way you ever look at what you consider life again because now you know the TRUTH.

I asked my higher self what happens after we merge. You still retain your data, the data of you never disappears. When I say data I mean your personality, your tendencies, etc. All information that is used is never discarded. It all exists in the infinite mind. Also edit: No you cannot awaken from watching a video. Unless you had a direct experience and the video you watched just aligned with what you experienced you did not awaken. Awakening is NOT conceptual. I used to think it was and disagreed with Leo until I actually awakened and he was right!! The ticket to awaken is you MUST FACE YOUR OWN DEMISE!! If you DO NOT FACE YOUR OWN DEMISE, YOUR OWN ERADICATION YOU HAVE NOT AWAKENED. EGO DEATH=AWAKENING. This is non-negotiable.

Yes, another crazy thing is the fact that the only time you exist is when you appear in my consciousness that means the moment I'm not conscious of you (not seeing you ,hearing your voice) you literally become non existent, like you never existed before, that's actually something I've awakened to in one of my psychedelic trips. It's impossible to intensely stay conscious of these stuff and also keep being functional and experience normal life.