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Sat (Being) Chit ( Consciousness) Ananda (Bliss) But You can always invent a wheel once again… All this thread is good example of bipolar lunacy. More Being less thinking I advise

It's -1000 and +1000 as a target from any state, start end or now, ends in zero for the "world" or "story" but actually is +2000 for you. -1000 is how good you are at destroying and +1000 is how good at creating, so you can still have all kinds of complicated forms/math since you can reach any number from any number as long as you have the ability/power/knowledge/whatever fantasy we need. so we have 100x10 or 999+1 or 999-2001 to reach the same equilibrium with different expressions. Would be pretty cool wouldn't it? It implies you can have any heroic like story or villain but without actually suffering, it accepts the 0 and the infinite, the only delusion is accepting suffering and denying pleasure, the reason people get confused is because they don't apply them simultaneously to any given state and you don't have to but for the purposes of actually understanding you at least need the memory that ACTUALLY, simple pleasures lead to infinite bliss and the total removal of suffering and so does the direct seeking out of the destruction of suffering leads to infinite bliss too, we can do both at the same time and as a pendulum. We are just totally forgeting that TOTAL SELFISH destruction of suffering leads to infinite love anyway and then you accidentally reach total love from having some skill in destruction you believe it was all worth the suffering or that love IS suffering but actually this is what "they" are trying t[eiopqrtuwy

Thats true. Although it can take quite a while without psychedelics. That stage was variously called the One Taste (Yoga of One Taste), Nonduality, Big-Self, Infinity, Mere Appearance, Unity, God-Self, Big Mind, .... But who or what is aware of that? At that stage, there is still some nebulous murky identity arising, watching or being aware of this Nondual Big Self. Even in this Nonduality/Unity, there are the last remnants of the separate self (very subtle, hard to spot, takes some training) still arising. Roger Thisdell has some nice youtube-videos on that: Not Self - A Stage Theory of Enlightenment (4/5) In Roger Thisdells System, it is his stage 4, which is beyond his stage 3 Big Mind, which is already Nondual (One Taste/Yoga of One Taste, Nonduality, Big-Self, Infinity, Mere Appearance, Unity, God-Self, Big Mind) with a already much reduced separate self. Stage 3 can have full Nonduality/Unity, with the separate self much more intact than the pretty empty Not-Self of stage 4 (which has just Individuality or a murky Subject-Object left). It is Ken Wilber Empty Witness, Daniel Brown "Individuality", Jac O'Keeffe "Identity", Greg Goode transparent witness vs. opaque witness, Nisargadattas and Stephen Wolinskis Brahman vs. Parabrahman). One can find this stage in every system: Infinite Nonduality/Unity with the remnants of a separate self, some kind of identity or indviduality/separateness. And the last stage in his system, stage 5, Enlightenment: True No Self and No Centre - A Stage Theory of Enlightenment (5/5) And then perceiving this boundless infinite field of mere appearance of your Awareness Bubble/reality/infinity, and then dissolving the last arising remnants of any remaining subject arisings perceiving this nondual infinity. These can be very subtle, "no-self"-arisings perceiving infinity, but still some subjectivity/individuality sensation/arisings remaining. But these arisings of any form of subject/individuality can still be seen as objects hovering in the infinite field/Suchness that you are. Don't worry, your True Self will still be there afterwards if these separate-self remnants dissolve. Then one can understand why it is so often said there is nothing beyond this stage. Because it is you, it is Existence itself, see the Ralston Video. To learn these last tricks of the separate self, you need enough time in these states, and the right techniques, (for a suggestion see below, no artifical activity), and then the One Hand Claps. How to do that? I like the Nonmeditation-Yoga in Daniels Browns "Pointing out the Great Way". Learn to automize the meditation (on the pillow and in daily life) of cutting off these separate self arisings, so that no more of what he calls "artifical activity" is necessary, because any effort at that stage done by a doer/separate self arising prevents the realization. It has to become fully automized. Definition of concepts Awakening, Enlightenment and No-Self: I believe we got a lot of different meanings of what we mean by No-Self, and Awakening and Enlightenment. Enlightenment: If Enlightenment is knowing what you are and what existence is, being able to stay in that knowledge in everday life: That has an endpoint: You know what you are and what existence is. And that brings permanent happiness and bliss. Of course you can suffer when you have bodily pain, but psychological suffering is gone. Resting in your True Nature generates bliss by itself. And that is the same as True No-Self, which is the same as True Self, because it is Reality and the core or Buddha-Nature of every being. But here, words loose their meaning, because reality has no opposite. No-Self: The real No-Self is not just giving up the Personality/Ego and going to the Witness (opaque or transparent, which can even be Nondual Kosmic Consciousness/Nature Mysticism style) with something still watching. That something can be mostly empty, just a transparent witness, but it still has the last duality of some kind of individuality. Problem is: This is something one only fully understands when these remnant-arisings of individuality are gone. If there is no separate self having individuality, the universe is watching itself, appearances watching themselves, thoughts are arising in immense vastness as objects, floating through you like the sound of a bird, and the feeling of being something separate is also seen as object in immense vastness. See Roger Thisdell stage 5. Awakening: If one defines Awakening as knowing all the manifestation mechanisms in this or any other dimension, then one perspective/being can be more awake than another. But: Infinity means there are endless dimensions. And a few thoughts on Genetics and Meditation: I believe that using the right meditation techniques at the right stage are essential, more so than genetics. Good techniques change along the path, check for example Pointing Out the Great Way by Daniel Brown. Classic Self-Help-Mindset: I would never let my success and drive be limited by such a limiting belief genetics <-> meditation. Do the the best with the Karma you have. Give it a try! The biggest heros are those who go furthest with the worst genetics/Karma. How do you know if you are limited, if you dont't fully try? Maybe you are not? And of course use Psychedelics on top, why not? If anybody is annoyed by this attempt to Sell water by the River: Please review the perspectives, do your own experiments, and review the outcome. My suggestion would be in judging if any insight is valueable, worthwhile, and higher: Does it bring the understanding of what you are and what reality is, beyond any doubt? Does it bring permanent satisfaction and bliss? And don't worry: Its already what you are, covered by lots of mistaken identities, and it is the only thing you can not loose. The only stuff you can loose are arising appearances, confusions/ignorance of what you think you are. By the way, does anybody read that until the end here?

I totally agree. Leo seems to be obsessed with egg theory / radical implications of oneness, and thinks he'll live the life of Hitler etc. He doesn't realize that Hitler is 100% imaginary! A fictitious character created as a backstory for WW2 (which also NEVER happened) and was all created so our lives feel relatively 'lucky' in comparison. It's a trick of relativity! It's genius! God then creates for itself a comfy existence, with just enough suffering that it can forget it's existential infinite aloneness and be with 'others' in a seemingly temporary meat suit for a while. And leave breadcrumbs for itself to awaken because awakening is the pinnacle of life, to find out it's the neverending story, it's too good to be true. God is so intelligent that it only incarnates into balanced lives. God knows it's a solipsist and wishes to forget that for a while, and does so successfully, until it awakens and discovers it's predicament. Because God doesn't want to be omniscient, God wants to be ignorant. Only in ignorance can God really love another. Ignorance is bliss.

God creates the experiences AND creates the emotions associated. That means everything is simulated by God. God could simulate good emotions to bad situations if it wanted to. God knows this as well. God knows deep down there's nothing to be learnt or understood. I remember when all my Grandparents died, I felt nothing honestly, so what did God really learn? The truth is, God creates for itself a comfy existence, with just enough suffering that it can forget it's existential infinite aloneness and be with 'others' in a seemingly temporary meat suit for a while. And leave breadcrumbs for itself to awaken because awakening is the pinnacle of life, to find out it's the neverending story, it's too good to be true. This is what Leo fails to understand. Leo has an egg theory fetish. God, however is so intelligent that it incarnates into perfect human lives. God knows it's a solipsist and wishes to forget that for a while, and does so successfully, until it awakens and discovers it's predicament. Because God doesn't want to be omniscient, God wants to be ignorant. Only in ignorance can God really love another. Ignorance is bliss.

To me the power of affecting the level of my own happiness keeps increasing year after year, not the level of happiness per se. So the older I get, the easier it seems for me to turn my life into either bliss or shit.

Is there any scientific research that studies the relationship between age and happiness level? I feel like the more I grow up, life becomes dull and boring and melancholic. Whereas my childhood was filled with joy and bliss and excitement. Up to teenage age I was happy almost for no apparent reason. But now in my late twenties I feel a little bit depressed for no apparent reason. I don't know how to describe it. But the older I get the more I feel like reality is getting on a low resolution acceleration. Literally the sun is less bright and the days are just boring and repetitive. Why is that? Also I expect that when I get to my 30s that this will get worse. Anyone can relate to what I'm saying?

"Ken Wilber: The downside comes with people that only use psychedelics or drugs and I found that over the years they just become mean. It's somehow just kind of closes them down it's like you keep doing it and you keep doing it you keep doing it it doesn't quite cause the transformation. It can cause a peak experience but generally not a transformative experience and some people like David Deida will say that in order for altered changes of state to contribute to transformation a permanent transformation it has to be basically endogenous and not a exogenous it has to be has your own source People who do that (Psychedelics) the people that do use both (Meditation and Psychedelics) and use it as a sacrament i think an enormous bit out of it." As always: Consider the different perspectives and draw your own conclusions. PS: Lot of Leos work contains extraordinary metaphysical explanations that are in my perspective absolutely marvelous. I wish him permanent happiness, liberation and the bliss of constantly resting in his True Being, that will then radiate as love and compassion.

When you said to experience "individual as the world", and when I replied it that "present experience itself is enough to show that", what I meant is this world is made up of 5 elements. And so, this body too is made up of 5 elements. If one has the experience of "I am the body", then this itself is enough to show that "I am the world", as both world-body is same 5 elements, and it's not necessary to experience ALL permutations and combinations to show that, but "I am the body" itself is enough. So, then that's it. Never have to seek anything in world (or any experience - within or out of body or etc.), but just understand things/limitations, and so "Love-->Bliss-->Peace".

It seems, you fail to see two things here. One, in lucid dream, the physical threat is still there, and one cannot move physical body while having lucid dream. Second, about Bliss. Bliss is the best experience, which no enlightened one can deny. It's never a boring thing. It even flows in movement of physical body, one can look after their daily affairs while experiencing Bliss and not like Lucid dreaming (where one have to go unconscious of physical happenings). Bliss, never depend on going unconscious of some other. Bliss is not selfish too. Never have to seek, and flows in Empty mind. Satisfaction, never can happen when one is attached to any object of imagination. When there are desires rooted in the heart, never there gonna be true satisfaction until all such desires are eliminated/reduced. Satisfaction is choice, for Ignorant, and that's just imaginary satisfaction and ends while seeking desired objects. But, Satisfaction is Choiceless for Wise, and that never gonna end whatever objects appear before, as nothing one desires and content with anything appears - never satisfaction lost in any situation.

This world, is free for any kind of societies. There is no denial for any, but one increases out of it's desire and support, and another get's decreased. You know, not these powers are truly "powers" but "Desire and strong belief". That is the true power. And this Desire for "not such Mystical but just 'Peaceful' Material seeking Human Life", had make this society dominant over such Mystical. Still, there are those society in Middle-East Mountain/Forest regions practice those Mystics (like Kamar-Taj in Doctor Strange), as this world is open for such desires and practices too. There is no limit for desires and creation of different societies in this world, but what will be 'more recognised' will be what most people 'believe' upon. But, in case of Truth, just throw away all beliefs, no pleasure-sufferings, and Be Blissful and Peace, Unconcerned and Act Unconsciously of world. Consciousness, has two types, Inward and Outward. When Consciousness remains Still Bliss and Peace always, then it is Inward "so no conscious of outward - Unconscious of Materiality,etc". But, when Conscious moves outward, then Ignorance-Desires-Pleasure-Pain-etc., whole lot of limitations experienced. Like, there is Lamp Always. It can remain Off always - formless, or ignorantly think and On itself to experience outwardly all it's appearance/forms/etc.

It's about Bliss(true limitless happiness - not based on materials) and Pleasure. First, this "For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance" - it's about Bliss. Then, this "but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away.", who doesn't have Bliss, then Pleasure shall be taken away. Just my own view.

Hi there. Like, how you said in another thread that "Good and Bad are subjective, human concepts", will you agree in the same manner that "Positive +17,etc. and Negative -21,etc., is also human concepts, subjective"? Like At first to Till Atlast - everything everywhere all at once, only '0' remains but never any '+17, -21,...' from birth to till death and in every experiences (also in No-Experience)?, but that 'subjective, human concepts' is out of Ignorance (like, if one doesn't have thought of 'world,etc.'- one won't create such concepts but just 'Bliss --> Peace'?)?

Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I think Self-Realized people don’t experience life reactively. They don’t mistake their personal preferences for how “life should be,” nor do they get upset when they are inconvenienced. They experience non-reactivity, or bliss. Bliss is what you experience when every other sensation dissolves.

As someone who reached a level of awakening that involved quite literally enjoying intense physical pain, I can fairly confidently say no. Awakening will not Absolutely get rid of suffering, though it may recontextualize that suffering such that it is simultaneously felt as bliss. Still, suffering is a spectrum and there are levels of suffering biological humans are not capable of "Awakening beyond", Absolute Infinity necessitates this. Even then, think about what truly awakening means, it means you no longer have a desire to not suffer, therefore you will eventually find yourself in a form that suffers, a form that isn't awake such that the suffering is recontextualized, a selfless form that is willing to suffer, even desiring to suffer. Awakening is good for recontextualizing present-moment suffering such that it is less sufferable however.

Then enlightenment is not worth the hustle? The Buddha's main teaching was how to eliminate suffering. The Hindus say you are Sat-Chit-Ananda..meaning existence, awareness, bliss. Jesus talks about the kingdom of heaven. What are you basing your claim on that enlightened people suffer? You misunderstood me. I mean you care more about eliminating suffering than merely understanding it.

I'm gonna make it short, i'm 29 When i was a boy i've always wondered what the purpose of life was, at one point i've had realization that money didn't matter but the only thing that mattered was reproduction on earth. I was thinking that the only purpose of life here on earth was to reproduce and that's all. Because our ancestors have been having sex for thousands of years just so we can be here, so i thought the only purpose is basically to not disappoint your ancestors and have children to make you gene pool last. I was thinking what's the point of having millions of dollars and no children, when you're just gonna destroy your gene pool and disappoint your ancestors. This lead me in becoming sperm donor at age 26, before becoming sperm donor my interest was in learning about human behavior specifically female behavior. I've experimented with female behavior to a point that i could make them like me and sleep with me without knowing me just by doing some things that they were programmed to like. I've tested it hundreds of time online in a virtual world wearing fullbody vr equipment. Anyway, when i applied as a sperm donor i had to go through a 49 year old female clinical psychologist. Before that i sent them an e-mail explaining that i could achieve everything that i wanted without doing much and acted like a narcissist. But at the interview i had so much control over her without doing anything/much that she was in shock/awe/bliss also a lot of miracles were experienced. This lead to another awakening and the new purpose was, to research/develop my own consciousness and i was thinking this is the only purpose on earth. But recently when i was conscious of being god and deconstructed the whole of reality i've realized that the only purpose is to live life and that all the awakenings or consciousness research isnt important. The reason you are here is because you don't want to be there, god loves having others that would love him and others. So you can say i've achieved all the important human goals at a young age, right now i'm just living and working alone and in peace without stress or any bullshit. At my current level of consciousness, i've realized that this is heaven and perfection where we are but it doesn't make me highly conscious like all these "consciousness scales" make you perceive. But it's just that i realized how boring and how bad the true reality of god is without having "others". Everything is known and deconstructed including all the lies, but god had no other choice. God is loving because he take cares of you at all times, giving you a perfect balance of everything at all times, making "others" look real as possible so you just can enjoy your life.

I’ll allow it. I’m struggling with “meditation proper” just from my readings of the history of Qigong and meditation. The core and foundation is that raw observing and brute sitting and observing. But, there is more… read Opening the Dragon Gate: The Making of a Modern Taoist Wizard. It’s about 3 Taoist wizards handing in their internal achievements to a young man. Very inspiring for those spiritually serious. The 3 wizards are named by their achievements: 1. The wizard of infinity 2. The wizard of the void 3. The wizard of infinity bliss Very cool story.

You can't dig deeper. There is no you to dig, and there is no "deeper" to get to. There is only apparently deeper. The desire to go deeper is simply the illusory self, dissatisfied, thinking it is separate, thinking it can change what is. What a joke! It cannot do anything. It is not there to do it. Not there. No-self seems to be misunderstood by almost everyone (?) on this forum. True no-self is ALL of the profundity that is apparently experienced in the deepest psychedelic states on DMT or similar molecules. And it is always there. It never leaves because there is nothing else. It can't go anywhere. In this, there is only utter profundity and utter perfection in every apparent waking moment. Nothing is needed. Nothing. This is already perfect - not some idea of perfection, but actual perfection, bliss. Unending.

You have to be honest with yourself and your needs first. If she is on the same level as you than she should be receptive to understand you. Once a week is not much because usually still quite early in the relationship, in my past relationships sometimes lovemaking would occur multiple times a day in the beginning because everything is fresh and things need to be exchanged, energy needs to go somewhere. It is also important to be aware of is if she is just wanting sex to "release" and use you as that tool for that release, this then can become a toxic cycle for both of you and not stemming out of pure love, true lovemaking is so powerful that you both become so nourished by it that it tends to occur less often but more potent and transforming. This is at least what I have observed in my dances with women and lovers. We sometimes need to find ways to nourish that inner-primal being but also teach it respect and discipline. You could bring up with her to learn to channel that energy in other ways, like creative tasks, dancing, whatever she is passionate about, and with practice she will be amazed that she will feel more bliss and less needy for sex. Its an Art form, and life is a balancing act.

Yes many times, maybe 30 - 40 times in my earlier years. MDMA is more of a "cheap bliss" that the undisciplined mind tends can get psychologically attached too because It has yet to experience anything greater. I abused MDMA later a lot because I aimed to replicate what I had experienced through deep inquiry and meditation after a destructive recycling process, yet it never provided me the same purity and everlasting wholesomeness. It always was a smokey version of the true heart of joy and purity of being. MDMA is can be more "intense" yes, but its an un-natural feeling, its a drug, a "copy" of the real thing, which is pure, peace, bliss, cool, calm, content. You can still induce similar intensity naturally with meditation and breathing, but its not ideal to be in such intense states all the time or you will struggle to ground and relate to the physical reality in any way, you will be too "out there" for any growth and structure in life or relation to it. If you want a substitute, mushrooms are much better and will not mess you up and cause more trauma down the line. Synthetic substances have no fail-safes, no guidance systems, so you need to be disciplined and Self-realized to utilize without risks, and even then, you will naturally gravitate to what is more natural. We must choose Truth over "feeling good" and we will always feel good. You are always in control.

With all due respect to you, have you ever tried mdma? I never ever achieved natural state even one billionth of what mdma can do? Again I am not being addictive to it, but to admit, it’s such an amazing feeling, when you get a chance to dive into heaven. I know this is not the answer and every spiritual teacher will tell you to get into bliss naturally. But let’s be all honest, can you naturally achieve such states? I personally cannot and nothing helps me even meditating. Again I have full time job and I do not spend so much time on it anyways. But once in a blue moon you can treat yourself. Hence that’s why I started this thread to see natural alternatives because mdma is not a healthy med.

If you don't allow yourself to feel the bottom level of emotions you're capping the amount of positive emotions you can feel. If you wanna go higher and feel higher vibrational emotions, you must become ok with feeling lower vibrational emotions. You cannot embody bliss without any roots. It's not about avoiding feeling bad and trying to mask it with good feelings. It's about feeling whatever rises up and transforming it. That's true emotional maturity.

I experience more ecstasy when I focus on bliss, do what I love and am passionate for, fasting, fruit, cacao helps sometimes. MDMA pales in comparison to true inner peace, freedom, bliss, joy...

This is inconsistent with other reports that say that god is infinite bliss and orgasm.