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Sure its significant when you deeply look at it, Its certainly questionable and rather profound but then that passes, the mind tends to then focus on something else. It comes back to the something vs nothing lessons. But generally the present moment also contains many emotions and feelings which change based on your actual state. so I think state changes are more interesting than the actual present moment. That would be saying something imo. Yesterday and tomorrow are only concepts as you know so they arent even worth mentioning due to their nonexistence. The present now moment really is only special when you dont have a bunch egoic reactions or anticipations or stresses getting in the way. But if you managed to bypass all those biological responses to where your just content and ease in the now, then I wouldnt call that awakened. Thats just being more grounded in yourself and in a relaxed state.

It's OK to talk about your awakening brother. You are among other awakened beings that is the point of this forum.

Stay in awakened state is to live in beauty, love, abundance, perceive the wonder of existence, the limitless. It's the real thing. being asleep is misery. Anyone with some of common sense wouldn't hesitate. you just have to give everything in return. all the misery, it is understood. But humans are so stupid that choose the misery

Yeah the embodiment is the thing. Its like you are a baby who has realized you can walk. Then you forget how to walk again. That has been my issue and I realize you must practice whatever techniques you need to maintain that state. Means you will need to change your diet, what you take in in terms of food, and content to keep yourself awake. But the truth is....you don't have to either if you don't want too also. But staying in an awakened state is the only way to maintain inner peace and who wouldn't want to be peaceful?

Yea I totally agree. And that also becomes clear when awakened. Language is an internal phenomenon which relies on the assumed meaning that others place on the same words. Language has an intelligence to it. Sometimes I wonder whether communication is metaphysical and fundamental to conciousness.

I do have every idea. But you don't because you hold your breath on every word some guru says. Need I say more? And yeah I've awakened without ever contemplating suicide. It's feasible and in fact contemplating suicide from the ego's perspective is more ego. Its selfishness. You don't know what you are talking about.

Compassion for your self. How awake are you really when the totality of existence is marred in illusion and ignorance? The compassion I speak of is totally transrational, totally transcendent of mind and will never make sense to the ego who’s adopted solipsism as a belief system. Notice how the ego mind is trying to create rationalizations and draw logical conclusions. Again, what Im talking about is so far beyond the self clinging mind, it will never make sense. However, notice, if it werent for other beings and to some extent the whole of realty attempting to wake you up, you would have never stumbled into the truth. It’s only out of the compassion of these masters, and more deeply, the compassion from the self that you are in a position to be speaking from truth. Don’t take credit and don’t underestimate how dependent you were on reality for waking you up, like a child to its mother. That compassionate force that conspired to wake you up may or may not proliferate in your body mind, thus continuing this cycle of self-awakening in other beings. If what I said about others cannot be reconciled with the illusion of others, you haven’t awakened to the true depths of solipsism. No. The reason masters don’t use psychedelics is the realizations they provide are a waking, moment by moment, lived and embodied reality for the master. Of course this goes against the actualized.org dogma, cuts through a certain flavor of closed mindedness the forum has adopted. I never claimed you were parroting Leo. It is interesting you offer that up and attempt to side step it though.

We seek to feel "good" in order to get to absolute good aka god. It's all a constant chasing of god all the time. "Survival" as some are talking about here I think is within this higher constant. We survive so that we can seek good. Pleasure itself is not survival. It's what we seek once we've survived. I started to think this was the case more as I uncovered my food addiction. I just had this strong association in my mind between God and food. It was hard to logically describe but everytime I thought about food, I thought about god. And if I thought about god long enough, I wanted to go eat! Edit: regarding survival, I think the ego does seek pleasure as a matter survival sure, but you are in every instant not the ego, the deeper constant overlaying the constant of survival is this self-seeking, and seeking of the "Good". Again, love/god/conciousness is the motive force of all being as I'm sure many would agree, we only do anything because we seek love/god/conciousness and self realization which is why when awakened there is always a deep sense like every thing that has ever happened has led perfectly to this moment

Those are some deep words, the crowd continues to scream i love you but no one is really listening.. do you see the wisdom behind his speech? the purity of his soul was one of a kind, a true angel, he always talked this way and we never saw it until he passed away. His soul was among the most highly evolved, if he had a different more spiritual path maybe he would of become an enlightened master? He was always so child-like, innocent, kind, loving and pure, in the present and free-spirited but due to his tough schedule and rough life he never really had time to connect to himself. At least now his back with source and free to be and express completely. How did we miss this? What we need to learn from children isn't childish. Being with them connects us to the deeper wisdom of life... which is ever-present and only asks to be lived. They know the way to solutions that lie.. waiting to be recognized within our own hearts.

So, I just went through the dark night of the soul, which made everything meaningless, in a depressing manner. I had a ton of spiritual awakening symptoms, some are gone by now, but something wanders my mind. I had this one dream a few days ago where my mother told me to stop running from an entity that was chasing me and I just fell in a total blackness in my bathroom, while everything was disappearing, including my mom, which I was being afraid of initially, but felt like a total bliss once I "died" there(I found out that there were people who got enlightened while dreaming, like Jiddu Krishnamurti) . After that, I woke up with loud sounds in my ears(which I had up until that point, but now have disappeared) and a wild energy rush through my spine. Ever since then, I'm living in the Present Moment all the time, as if I'm constantly meditating. I permanently have the feeling you get after a meditation session, being extremely calm and peaceful. Matt Kahn also helped me a lot, with his love teachings and acceptance techniques. The "problem" now is that my ego tries to grasp this new realization that there's nothing to realize, do, fear and it's kinda confused and apathic. Adyashanti said this is a normal thing after awakening. I also see through my roles everytime I'm in different groups of people, or when trying to impress or manipulate people, and I see through all my schemes and victimizations. My intuition is skyrocketing, basically. I want to know your experiences on the matter and what do you think. I know that I'm not fooling myself, but man, I'm drunk on emptiness, as they call it. Death seems like a concept. Kinda shocking, I gotta say. I also totally relate to what Adyashanti says in this video

At this point, I have experienced so many identity shifts, I almost don't recognize myself from 10 years ago anymore. I have experienced deep shifts that touched so many parts of my identity, both in depth and breadth, so my ego died and got reborn so many times, I'm almost not that person I was at all. It took a few "complete" -- or more accurately, major ego deaths, and many other minor ones. Just when my ego solidifies enough, somehow the events turn in such a way that causes it to take a hit, or even collapse in some cases. I think this is the reason why I don't have a personality type. Unfortunately, this is not the case for most people. Most people don't really change, like at all, from birth till death. They're just born some way, and they gather some conditioning throughout their childhood and early teens, and then remain the same forever. The saying "Once a cheater, always a cheater" is very true, because it applies to most people. I think besides people who undergo spiritual awakening, almost no one really changes. It's sobering to realize this fact, because I don't want to be thinking that others can share the same understanding as I, and then find out that that's not true. What I've come to realize recently is that nobody, unless they're spiritually awake, will understand what I'm saying. They will only ever interpret it from their distorted lens/worldview. I don't think this has to do with ego development or spiral dynamics as much as actually experiencing spiritual awakening, because awakening opens your eyes to things that normal people aren't even able to see/perceive. The normal person is only ever able to see their selfish interest without any regard for "impersonal truth". For the normal person, it's always personal, no matter what, even when they say or pretend otherwise, or even when they adopt not taking things personally as an ideology. Even seekers cannot understand me, because they will interpret my words from the spiritual ego's perspective. So it's futile, unless the other person is awake to the same depth as I am, which doesn't seem very common. Not that I'm the most awake person on earth, as I have caught some more awakened signals. But that they're really rare, and getting rarer as I'm awakening deeper. As a lesson and a general rule of thumb: People are patterns of behavior. Once you identify a pattern, make your judgement, then put a permanent label on the respective person. This will make your interactions easier, as it will provide you with more clarity on who/what you are dealing with.

well i mean what your saying is rather obvious.. Your just making the distinction between "actuality" and "concept/mentation."? Not denying your experience, but It just doesn't sound like your awakened description is any different from whats already obvious in reality to those who pay attention to it?

Well what happens is the "sense of self" that believes it has to deconstruct everything to awaken dies........then there's just everything which includes sights, sounds, smells, tastes, touch, thoughts, mental images. Enlightenment is the end of becoming due to the revelation that the individual attempting to become awakened, was only an illusion of identity!! ❤

You don't need a head you have hands and feet, the hands and feet are there. If someone took a photo of you and the flower you gonna draw an X through that too? An awakened person can look at the photo and see the entire scene as a scene. You would look at it and have to draw a mental or physical X to understand which is not understanding at all. The X you are drawing is itself another form. You cannot make any type of division. Everything is one. You are still creating a duality.

@axiom which explains the panic attacks I would occasionally experience before I awakened.... basically experiencing God full on and being terrified pre-awakening....now on reflection in my post awakened state realizing it was a full on God experience.

Just watched this whole series over the last week. I feel like I got a lot out of it. This is in sequence. Just posting this here to give people a chance to check it out. Do what is right for you! http://channelhigherself.com/videos/satsang-with-the-self/psychology-for-the-awakened-acceptance-and-denial/ http://channelhigherself.com/videos/satsang-with-the-self/psychology-for-the-awakened-–-creating-your-perception/ http://channelhigherself.com/videos/satsang-with-the-self/psychology-for-the-awakened-how-the-mind-works/ http://channelhigherself.com/videos/satsang-with-the-self/psychology-for-the-awakened-emotions-and-chakras-explained/ http://channelhigherself.com/videos/satsang-with-the-self/psychology-for-the-awakened-ego-transcendence-chakra-purification/ http://channelhigherself.com/videos/satsang-with-the-self/psychology-for-the-awakened-acceptance-of-self-breaks-down-suffering/ http://channelhigherself.com/videos/satsang-with-the-self/psychology-for-the-awakened-shame-and-guilt-drives-your-seeking-desires/

There is something happening to all of us, beyond what words can describe. It causes me to look at the world and say "that's me". It causes me to at the same time look at the world and say "it's all not-me" The visual static that overlays my entire visual field is due to the blood in my eyes. The visual static is me, at least it comes from my own eyes. In an enlightened state, my head feels light as a feather and the two eyes act entirely as one, but against my heart. My mind moves into my heart, my eyes collect, but my heart processes the world. It sees only love. This is the best I can describe my awakened states without saying too much. This all feels like just a medical phenomenon? Like enlightenment is what happens when you kill your brains hold of your body by thinking itself to death. Now this is all happening within conciousness, so I know that many would say this is a model that I am claiming and it's happening within conciousness. But at the same time, we all know that the last thing we need to throw in the trash is our own model and idea of spirituality. Spirituality is as meaningless as porn when compared to awakening. It's just a concept of something to do and think about. It's a human affair, it's part of the fucking movie. Language as a social phenomenon is an Absolute Truth. The awakened person utters or thinks to himself "it's all me". There is Absolute Truth in "that" that statement was said. It was said as part of a completely closed and unitive system of being. The saying of "that's all me" and the sayers experience are one. The Dharma to which he has awakened, and the awakening, as a medical phenomenon, are one. When I say "medical" I mean it is about us, but not of us. It is of our bodily systems and processes in a way that we are completely a slave to. In the end though, awakening is nothing at all. Conciousness, the " I am" against the world, even the medical view of the world is all there is. It's just me. That's it.

But when one is in a real awakened state, "mystical" along with "medical" all fade away. They are both false. One is probably closer to Absolute Truth (mystical) but because they both are dualistic terms, they are both still infinitely far from the Truth itself. They are both just models. I guess what I'm also trying to do is give the "medical" model more legitimacy. To view the body as just dumb matter is as legitimate a view than to view the whole world as throbbing with life and beingness. Both are true in their falsehood.

I personally believe that after death I will end up in a hell realm. I can't challenge that belief. I firmly believe that reality is fundamentally evil . And that's what's screwing up my whole life . There is no escaping infinity. If reality is absolutely infinite (which is the only way reality could exist at all ). Then you must experience EVERYTHING. And if you dream up hell..you can mateilize it . About enlightenment, I think enlightenment is not an experience. It's not a state .its not "god realization ". Etc this is according to the Buddhist teaching. Sitting down under a tree, the Buddha vowed to remain there until he realized the truth. After a night of deep meditation, his Enlightenment came at dawn, and he was thereafter known as the Buddha, the "Awakened One." It was simply him recognising some fundamental truths (the truth of no self ..the truth of emptiness..and the truth of the relationship between desire and suffering). So according to Buddhism there is no such thing as God. Enlightenment is something totally different. But if you ask me I disagree with that . Buddhism is sort of atheistic nihilistic religion . I think the highest Enlightenment is recognising absolute solipsism and that you are God imagining the entire reality. And then you take full responsibility for creating your reality . And that's what I'm failing to do .and that's why I'm filled with pessimism about my own death. If you have some insight that can help me change my perspective. Then I will appreciate it .

@Yali You missed the whole point. First of all you are the only experience there is and you perceive and experience what you decide so if you don't want to experience having sex then don't do it. Don't try to mix up non-dual experiences with "´reality", because the thing is that the end of the day you have to live your life regardless of how awakened you are. Right now you are just using spirituality as an excuse to be lazy not learning how to approach women. Spirituality doesn't equal laziness.

@JuliusCaesar So you created the being to help awaken you. Our consciousness is so complex and layered. It's fascinating that we are creating on other levels that are out of our awareness. Just think of our nightly dreams. Every night we fall into these different immersive rich realties and somehow our mind is orchestrating all of it. Except for occasional lucid dream, we are immersed in the dream narrative as it plays out completely unaware our mind it creating everything in it. I have awakened to that knowing, but I fall back into the illusion of being a human in an objective world.

Hey guys... It's been a while since I made a thread. Before I delve into this topic I want to be as transparent as I can regarding the motive behind the making of this thread. Some of you will understand, most of you won't. Don't sweat it I am actually going through a lot right now. And I wish there was somebody I knew who is experienced and mastered what I'm currently going through who I could talk to. For those of you who have integrated chakras in your spiritual practices, the context of my issue is the following: I've awakened to the emotional dimension of my Consciousness. And this new found awareness is really kicking me in the gut and dragging me around. Anyway, to speak on the topic. So it is highly held by mass society that man is a rational creature - that is our established “baseline”. You only need to look around to notice this established social belief/ideology in order to get my point. Look at the environment of any artificial setting such as our schools, our offices, our homes, our political and commercial scenery. Everything is set in accordance to the idea that under normal circumstances a man is reason-oriented being and can be reasoned with. Do you see it? You have to really look and look closely to see it because it is so there that you might even mistake it for something so natural that it's insignificant. Look at how you'd approach other people, then look at how you'd approach.. say your pet. Look at how you would approach yourself - that is the formulation of your self-image. It really doesn't take long to notice as this is not a matter of discernment but rather of pure observation. This myth is so popular, so idealistic that it's become confused for actually rather than being seen as a fabrication. At this point, even if we were to reconsider the idea of rationality, I don't think humans would be the most rational species. An entire flank of animals would outrank us as more rational. Don't believe me? Just take a look at how animals choose their mates and how we do it. Take a look at how animals decide the right time to have sex and how we do it. Just start comparing the most random of things like when and why animals kill and why we kill. Look at why animals go to war and why we go to war. Look at their social structures, their family structures - who has which role in the family and how well everyone executes their roles. All you have to do is compare. Compare an ant colony with any human one and tell me which one is more sophisticatedly organised. Let's face it. Even if we were to reconsider this idea of rationality we humans would sure fall short to it. And some of you will excuse these flaws for complexity or some bullshit like that. Like are you kidding me? If other species' biology isn't as complex as ours than ours then I don't know what the hell is. A leaf is more complex than hand. It doesn't take much to understand why and how a hand is structured the way it's structured, it's utility can be easily figured out by a toddler. But a leaf on the other hand... Yeah, we are about as complex as anything else. So that's really no excuse. We are very good at pretending, that's for sure. No other species comes close to matching our pretentiousness, not even the slickest of camouflaging preys and predators. We flat outrank them in that criterion. But rational? I'm sorry I just don't see. Sure we are very cognitively enabled hence all the technology that we have developed. But rational??? Pattern recognition and Math is not an indicator of rationality anymore than it is a language. Your ability to count and account for things says nothing of your ability to be rational. Only your ability to be self-organised does. We are too self-destructive to even begin to view ourselves as self-organised. No. I've personally interacted with my fair share of humans, including myself, to know for certain that we are not rational. That's a myth. Which begs the question: If not rational then what are we? What exactly is involved in our decision-making process? How do we even find ourselves having to make decisions in the first place? And that, friends, is what I've woken up to. That is what I'm having trouble stomaching and has left me in the state of perpetual free-fall so to speak. That is why I wish there was somebody who understands that I could talk to about it because I'm really having trouble finding a way to integrate this in my spirituality, in my life to be less blunt. Maybe I can do nothing with it other than just remain aware. It's very uneasing but maybe I'll just get used to it. This awareness of a force that you see no chance and no point in trying to resist. So yeah.. that's been what's been on my mind and what's led me to create this thread. There's quite a lot that I've chosen to leave out, regarding spirituality, but there would be no point in mentioning it unless someone understands what I've already stated. Those of you who are too rooted in your identity won't. The gravity of your psyches won't let you as viability is your main concern at the moment - and not possibility, not really. But that's okay. Just writing this and expressing myself makes me feel more grounded, even if it's not on the illusion of rationality but just a sense of clarity I guess. For those who you who really don't understand and might need a clue to what I'm talking about. Basically, waking up to your emotional nature is waking up to the designation and employment of karmic energy by your Consciousness and for the sake of completeness. I'm telling you that you're not sometimes emotional but are, in fact, always emotional. That you have understood very little of your emotional dimension, much less than what society and your education has led you to believe. Where there is motive there is emotion - try to think of your emotional nature like that and you will begin to get it. And this is just one out of seven dimensions which all have energy centres that are, today, being carelessly referred to as chakras. ? So so much more to understand about spirituality. Yet so little intention to actually try to learn.

@Razard86 Yah, I just mean the perception to be awakened you have to go live in India on a hill and can't participate in life

Haha, not every awakened being is a perfect saint living in a diaper like Ramana There's degrees of integration, personality types, culture, habits, upbringing etc etc I think a lot of 'spiritual' people think once they attain this magical enlightenment that's it and life's done But no, you'll still shit, feel pain if someone smacks you in the face & get kicked out your house if you don't pay rent Imo, you become even more human, as you actually get in touch with feeling & embrace it instead of being comfortably numb I'm also assuming most people on here are very young in comparison to most teachers, so there's a lot of life left to live There's a good chance your favorite guru fucks, drinks / smokes or used to, has issues in their personal life & doesn't live in a mountain meditating 10 hours a day Tbh, I've never understood why a lot of seekers wanna become like blocks of wood with no emotion / feeling, life is fun, and its even more fun after awakening

My take is pretty much the opposite of lizz_luna's above. My partner is an atheist and it doesn't really matter or come up. I have no desire to try and convert her to anything, and she has no desire to convert me out of what she describes as "kooky bald-man cult" . Maybe she'll make an off-hand comment about what I'm watching as she walks by, or ask me wtf when I want to experiment with wearing rudraksha or rosaries or crystals, talk me out of doing psychedelics, but that's about as far as it goes. There's only really 2 situations where I'd consider it a deal-breaker: 1. You have something akin to a Christian belief where if your partner doesn't repent or take on your beliefs, they're going to be damned to hell. 2. They try to tell you that you can't meditate, go to retreats, or whatever spiritual practice you feel like you need to do. 2b. You need them to be on board and participate in tantric sex or something as part of your practice. Otherwise it's whatever. Don't waste your time or theirs with trying to convince them. They're going to become awakened when they die anyway, right?