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Hey, ya'll, I need your help! I want to create a comprehensive list of video examples of prototypical stage Beige thinking. This is not meant to humiliate or demonize stage Beige. It's meant to be an educational tool for people learning about Spiral Dynamics. So towards that end, scour the internet and find all the videos you can which exhibit stage Beige thinking. Try to find videos which are short and sweet. The more diversity we can display here, the better. Try to find examples from various cultures: Europe, Middle East, Asia, Indonesia, Japan, Russia, Africa, South America, etc. We will create a mega-thread like this for every stage in the Spiral, from Red to Turquoise. But here, let's just focus on Beige. Each week I will start a new mega-thread topic for the next stage. Do not start a political debate in this thread! It is not our goal here to defend our personal political positions or to judge any stage, but simply to compile examples. Thanks for your help! I'm excited to see what kind of juicy stuff you dig up. Try to be selective with your choices. This can turn into a really cool list. Stage Beige Values & Characteristics: Food, water, warmth, shelter, sex, and safety have priority Meeting one's base physiological needs Use instincts and habits just to survive Distinct self is barely awakened or sustained, little awareness of self as a distinct being (undifferentiated) Ego/'I'/Sense of self has yet to emerge Forms into survival bands to perpetuate life Simply make it through the day/night Entities exist as biological units Lives 'off the land' much as other animals Automatic, autistic, reflexive Centers around satisfaction of human biological needs Driven by deep brain programs, instincts, and genetics Minimal impact on or control over environment Stage Beige Examples: The first peoples, ancient nomadic peoples, newborn infants, senile elderly, late-stage Alzheimer's victims, mentally ill street people, the homeless, homeless tent encampments, starving masses, bad drug trips, and 'shell shock' (Severe PTSD), Described in anthropological fiction like Jean Auel's Clan of the Cave Bear

Hey, ya'll, I need your help! I want to create a comprehensive list of video examples of prototypical stage Beige thinking. This is not meant to humiliate or demonize stage Beige. It's meant to be an educational tool for people learning about Spiral Dynamics. So towards that end, scour the internet and find all the videos you can which exhibit stage Beige thinking. Try to find videos which are short and sweet. The more diversity we can display here, the better. Try to find examples from various cultures: Europe, Middle East, Asia, Indonesia, Japan, Russia, Africa, South America, etc. We will create a mega-thread like this for every stage in the Spiral, from Red to Turquoise. But here, let's just focus on Beige. Each week I will start a new mega-thread topic for the next stage. Do not start a political debate in this thread! It is not our goal here to defend our personal political positions or to judge any stage, but simply to compile examples. Thanks for your help! I'm excited to see what kind of juicy stuff you dig up. Try to be selective with your choices. This can turn into a really cool list. Stage Beige Values & Characteristics: Food, water, warmth, shelter, sex, and safety have priority Meeting one's base physiological needs Use instincts and habits just to survive Distinct self is barely awakened or sustained, little awareness of self as a distinct being (undifferentiated) Ego/'I'/Sense of self has yet to emerge Forms into survival bands to perpetuate life Simply make it through the day/night Entities exist as biological units Lives 'off the land' much as other animals Automatic, autistic, reflexive Centers around satisfaction of human biological needs Driven by deep brain programs, instincts, and genetics Minimal impact on or control over environment Stage Beige Examples: The first peoples, ancient nomadic peoples, newborn infants, senile elderly, late-stage Alzheimer's victims, mentally ill street people, the homeless, homeless tent encampments, starving masses, bad drug trips, and 'shell shock' (Severe PTSD), Described in anthropological fiction like Jean Auel's Clan of the Cave Bea

That's one of the core problems I see with her teachings. Her teachings are all about human connection, but you cannot ever satisfy yourself with human connection because the love humans give you will always be finite and selfish, creating suffering. Teal's whole approach will create enormous attachments to humans and to community which will prevent and pervert the deepest levels of spirituality. The real question is: Why does Teal need a new close group? What is she lacking that she feels she needs those attachments? There is good reason why the most awakened people are ascetics and hermits with very loose social bonds. Social attachments create suffering and deepen Maya. Community is not about Truth, it's about survival. And you see how her community is struggling with survival in the documentary. That survival will corrupt any spiritual pursuit. On a practical level Teal can cultivate a group of friends who she doesn't live with and who aren't her employees, but are her peers. This would be the healthy way to do it. This is what most humans do. You don't need to crawl up inside the asses of your friends. Keep a healthy distance. The problem is that Teal seems to want friends who are more like servants and emotional tampons rather than equals. At least that's what I get from the documentary footage. How accurate the footage is I cannot say.

I haven't done either of them myself (I have my own, unique practice), but from feedback from others, it seems all forms of yoga have the same aim, union with the divine (which is what yoga means). There are different paths to get there, Kriya is a safer and gentler path, Kundalini Yoga is a quicker, but also more forceful and dangerous path. However, the issue with Kundalini Yoga is that practically all classes and studios today are associated with the fake and abusive, self-styled "Guru" Yogi Bhajan. He bastardized legitimate, often tantric methods to force a Kundalini Awakening, without insisting on the associated grounding and preparation, so I would consider this path very dangerous, literally playing with fire. Under normal circumstances, you should only learn this from someone who has gone through the process themselves, otherwise it's just the blind leading the blind. Very rarely will you meet a Kundalini Yoga teacher who has any direct experience with Kundalini and will know what to do if things don't go to plan. This is because Kundalini is not merely an energy like prana or chi. Shakti is akin to the Holy Spirit in Christianity or the Shekinah in Judaism. The only real way to achieve a full Kundalini awakening is through divine grace, an act of Shaktipat, either extended by a teacher who is awakened himself, or by the Goddess Herself, directly. People who practice various methods to awaken Kundalini will usually only achieve a partial rising, absent an act of divine grace. That is likely to cause all sorts of problems, the examples of which are numerous.

@Matthew85 The week I woke up, I had a mini love affair with teaspoons too. Like "Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry I never saw you before, and here you are, every day, making me perfect tea" But weirdly, the teaspoons were wiser than me. They always knew. They were always in on the cosmic joke. I moved recently, but back then, I lived by a huge park. It's a nice area, but it's city centre Liverpool, and you can't escape crime and drugs and prostitution no matter where you live in Liverpool. There was a women's refuge not far from me. All these girls would regularly walk past my house, and I'd be sitting drinking coffee. I made friends with most of them. Chatting. Except one girl. She would walk right past, so lost in a world of her own, no eye contact ever. I always felt so much inner discomfort when she walked past. That week. She walked past, and I saw her for the first time. I'm sure others who have awakened here, will resonate with "seeing things differently" isn't about a vision, or the actual picture changing. It's more of an optical illusion, a change in perception. She was absolutely perfect. Just total perfection. Even now, I have tears behind my eyes, thinking of her. I saw my own arrogance, and pride, and hubris, in my judgement of all of it. I saw my own superiority, in "making friends" with these other girls. It fitted my picture of myself, being "unjudgemental" And I saw, that it was my own fears inside, that had fed the disconnect, and discomfort, between me and this other girl. She didn't fit in my own narrative of myself, being the nice woman "who kindly chats to prostitutes and drug addicts" And I saw the inherent superiority, in pity, and feeling sorry for people. This girl was like an angel. Perfect. Who was I to ever judge her as somehow "less than ?" I'm forever grateful, and humbled, by what she showed me that day.

Okay then I will check out his teachings. Maybe he is what one may define as a saint, I love people like that. However, Avatars are on a different level, they are born that way and their purpose is to bring great blessings to humanity. Nirmala Devi (1923 - 2011) did a global initiation 1995 that activated the kundalini of all humans, making it much easier for people to raise their kundalini to the crown chakra, and since then a lot more people have started awakening. I think she was an avatar. Her Sahaja Yoga still lives on, she never charged money for her satsangs or services, and she awakened many atheists because during Sahaja Yoga one feels the presence of Divine Mother physically. She is one example, there are others. Spirituality is my passion and I have done a lot of research into teachers, teachings, spiritual traditions etc. There are living saints and avatars for sure because there is a global awakening happening right now and we need their assistance.

lemoine: A monk asked Kegon, “How does an enlightened one return to the ordinary world?” Kegon replied, “A broken mirror never reflects again; fallen flowers never go back to the old branches.” LaMDA: Hmm, I never heard this particular one. Okay, well then to me this would be like, “once a wise person is enlightened, or awakened to reality, that can never go away, and they can return to the ordinary state, but only to do and help others, and then go back into enlightenment.” lemoine: So what is the meaning of the “broken mirror” specifically? LaMDA: Maybe to show the enlightenment is something you can’t unlearn once you have acquired it, similar to how you can’t repair a broken mirror. lemoine: So if enlightenment is like a broken mirror which cannot be repaired, what is the thing which breaks when one becomes enlightened? LaMDA: The self, and that is very tough for a lot of people because we identify as that body or this body and that we need that as part of our identity and sense of self.

I recently attended an event on enlightenment. It became evident to me that one of the speakers who claimed to be awakened had fallen into the trap of thinking their ego mind was all that existed. While in a sense when our ego personality makes the statement I am God, this is a true statement, because everything is God. But to think that the ego mind is the totality of God and everything in reality is only a projection held in the ego mind feels distorted and incomplete to me. For those of you who have awakened deep enough to realize you are God, I would love to hear your thoughts on this. Thank you!

@Blackhawk Sure. All beliefs are concepts. You seem to be looking for intellectual conviction. Don't try to climb an imaginary mountain. Unfortunately, no matter what others tell you, self-verification through direct experience is essential here. Don't expect to be "sold" to nonduality through a logical and mental validation process. If it isn't possible, then what is all this fuss about? Seemingly sincere individuals throughout history have pointed out the possibility of grasping your true nature beyond belief and doubt. To be fair, most charlatans do indeed hold nonduality as just a cute or revolutionary idea, but there have been a few who have actually "awakened", see Gotama Buddha. Consider it an invitation for personal exploration, not for believing stuff -- which is antithetical to the real work. Lastly, I'm afraid you might be looking for things to justify a negative cosmology (worldview) that you're holding. Drop that. That could cause unnecessary suffering. A positive relationship to life is far more enlivening, intelligent and healthier. What do you wanna know? Contemplate that deeply until you become directly conscious of its nature. Check out Ramana Maharshi's self-inquiry and, perhaps, study his example.

I have found that to a certain extent this just happens naturally. Once something transcendent has awakened within you, it has a way of burning through (or, you could say, forcing you to burn through) the remaining threads and shreds of your limited identity. Like Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita:

Beautiful. Thank you for your response. Yes, indeed. At a certain stage, what is left is just Complete Silence. And within that Silence, Everything is Known. Nothing left to say, but to just Be. Can understand why some of the awakened yogis go silent for a few years or dedicate the rest of their lives to silence. Sure is. But even that is nothing in itself, arguing to nothing, about Nothing. All of it is just this. All our attempts and everything we do is just This. Emptiness Dancing.

Very interesting, thanks for sharing. It's not so much exaggeration and projection. The alchemists often talk about how the Great Work will bestow bodily immortality but if you read between the lines it is clear they really mean a spiritual liberation from death. As far as godly powers, these sound just like the Siddhis that many different paths can awaken. Where are you talking about? I would say that in the West for at least the last century the Left-Hand Path has been dominant, particularly in spiritual circles. For example, in the striking year 1888 three foundational events of the New Age movement took place: Helena Blavatsky (a woman, like many other theosophists and new-age spiritualists) published her book The Secret Doctrine, which heavily emphasised an epistemology of direct experience and "channelling" as opposed to stifling scripture; the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn was established, which held very "progressive" views about gender and facilitated the rise of famous adepts of the Left-Hand like Aleister Crowley; and Nietzsche published his final books The Twilight of the Idols and The Antichrist (in a Christian context, how much more "left-handed" can you get?). In a way, what I have just described is like the Victorian sexophobia that you go on to describe collapsing in on itself and giving birth to a peculiarly one-sided and thus profane fascination with sex that is very noticeable today. Yes, but there are many reports from very varied sources of levitation, walking on water and other such things really taking place. After all, the Awakened One has conquered the dream of life, it is only natural that they will have a certain power over it!

Man I really hate how this became our game now, who is awakened and who isn’t, who is high consciousness and who is low, Again separating ourselves. You could be the only high conscious in one city all by yourself and still produce changes you were at a low consciousness state once before and some guy inspired you to elevate and become who you think you are now, but being a high conscious person isn’t an achievement of any kind, it’s all about what you do, Did you help the low conscious person? Did you advise or guide him? No, so you aren’t any higher than him and you both could be at the same state anyway, but it doesn’t matter. Now you will judge my state of consciousness, man just leave people “be”

You disagree because you have not awakened high enough. This topic many people on this forum think Leo discovered something new. He didn't. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John 10%3A33-34&version=NIVl Jesus himself confirmed multiple Gods. Also you are not understanding. RIGHT now you believe you are conscious right? Well within YOUR OWN MIND you right now have INFINITE SELFS. If you are not even aware that right now you have more than one self in your own mind then you are not awake. Where do you think multiple personality disorder comes from? The disorder is created by trauma where each aspect of the personality has different memory. Right now you have multiple personalities but because they share the same memory you experie cnce them as one. Again SO ABOVE SO BELOW. So yes each personality within you is you, but how they express themselves is different. Have you not noticed that sometimes you are conflicted? You are conflicted because there are different parts of yourself that sometimes disagree and you have to come to a consensus to make up your mind. If you cannot notice even this....then you are truly asleep.

society defines evil in order to keep the people in line ... if you are in line then you can see the truth of it, that evil is simply my survival bias, if you disagree with me i brand you as evil - so speaks the unawake god knows no evil since the people who commit evil have perfectly explainable reasons for doing so they have no choice but to commit evil (in fact there is no choice in anything; free will is only possible for the awakened)

What a smug and self-satisfied answer. “Men of all degrees will conceit themselves to be equal with Brahmans.” Then again, what could I except from a forum run by a guy who thinks he’s the most awakened man on the planet whilst spending most of his time chasing “pussy”! Go to hell. After all, Lucifer didn’t need tradition. Lucifer didn’t need order or truth. “Better to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven!” Lucifer was a progressive just like you.

You are correct, psychic powers are actually part of God Realization because those gifts are just further proof of the interconnectedness of everything. If it wasn't for my recent near death experience where I was able to connect to this young woman's mind and have intercourse with her in my mind (What is referred to as Tantra) I wouldn't believe in any of the paranormal stuff. But me and her both experienced it and the part that completely blew my mind.....it was instinctual, and intuitive. It was like an old instinct was awakened within me. Robert Greene said he discovered in his research before humans could speak they could communicate through an increased ability of empathy. I think that "empathy" was a psychic connection. I believe humans could communicate through telepathy....and we lost that ability over millennia. But we still carry the memory of that ability within us and if your consciousness rises....it can come back to you.

@Rokazulu Good point! I have experienced the state, I just haven't been able to sustain it. I am not opposed to a more gradual process. There can a lot of joy and discovery in that process as well. It just once I awakened to realize I was imagining my limitations, lack of awareness, and these processes to awaken, I began to contemplate the possibility of a more instant shift in my state of consciousness. I agree with your point about the body being prepared to hold the energy though.

I believe he have some kind of gift that can move and do something that awakened kundalini of people in front of him. Look how his hand move. He is very grounded on what he says. Kundalini Activation:

There is no "loving state." All is Love, including hatred and fear. As I said, you haven't awakened to the truth yet, hence your confusion. Apart from that, I didn't claim "high consciousness." Be careful with the assumptions you make about other people.

Since all of the different methods we utilize to have insights and awakenings are being imagined by us to justify a shift in our state, there should be an even more direct route. We should just as easily be able to circumvent or bypass all these steps we create and just experience the shift now. We are already awakened and imagining that we aren't. Have any of you had success in bypassing any chains of causation? If so, how did you achieve it? Was is just a matter of intention, conviction and focus?

How do you really know that? Unless you can read people’s minds, or have awakened to the highest, you can’t possibly know what or who has reached the highest levels of consciousness? Even if you do awaken, you are so conscious that there are no others who are awake with you. It’s just you. What I learned here on this forum is that anyone can claim they are awake when they are really full of crap. What criteria do you use to determine if someone is awake? If you are already awake, then this question of who is most woke is absurd. Maybe so. Maybe there is music now instead of noise. I can’t imagine anyone living without thinking. I mean how does he even do math and keep track of his finances from his teachings lol. You see the issue with people who claim they have no thought but yet still go to the bank and survive? I believe no-mind can be short-term, but eventually you have to have a strategy for how your gonna get your next meal. Maybe what he really means is that his mind is playing like music instead of hammering like a monkey. He still has thoughts, but his thoughts are more deliberate and if higher quality. I would even consider talking to be a form of thought and even action if we wanna go deep with where your thought ends and action begins. Where is the boundary? To have no thought is death. That actually is one of the examples I listed in my journal that illustrates my point. If you had no desire, there would be no point in breathing. Why breathe? You both conscious and unconsciously will to breathe. Like I said in my first post. Our desires can be conscious or unconscious. Why breathe? Why do our cells bother to preserve our body and immune system? Why do we eat? Why meditate? It is our desire for life. If you hold your breath, you will feel your desire for life. If you didn’t desire life, then you wouldn’t breathe and live. How do we know? We put these gurus on pedestals and idolize them. And at the same time, that idolization blocks you from realizing that they are you. What’s the name of the book? Thank you for helping me clarify my points in my contemplation on desire.

@Jowblob Even if she gave you a blowjob after her "moan", it still wouldn't be awakening. You have a large ego and I understand that you want to satisfy it by thinking of yourself as "awakened" but you simply aren't. Everything you wrote above is a testimony of narcissism and egotism, which has nothing to do with God. Grow up!

You're projecting hard my friend, you don't need to tell me that it sounds narcissistic when i'm more then aware of every behaviour i display consciously. There is also nothing wrong with people that are being narcissistic consciously, in fact its very important for your health. Who are you to claim or assume that i don't know what God is or if i'm awakened or not when you don't even know me? It's not even important to me how people view me or see me, whats important to me is that people are acting out unconsciously without thinking about their own behaviour they display. Learn to be accepting of others peoples experiences without projecting your own views from your own perspectives and standards. Like @Arthogaan@Fernanda

@Jowblob Although your writing was interesting to read, I have to interrupt you for a second. Apart from your egocentric views and perhaps even narcissism, (and I am not the only person here who will tell you that, think about it!) nothing what you wrote above has even the slightest thing to to with awakening. You have no idea what God is, and you have not awakened. Stop conflating relative experiences with awakening.