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@Gesundheit2 look..you are either awake or not . By doubting the present moment you show that you are completely lost in fantasy land .it's gonna take you years of work to achieve full awakening/liberation (if you even care about them ,I doubt it ). If you can't even get that the present moment is not a concept . The present is all that exists in our experience of time. You can not be in the future or in the past. Of course you can dream of the past, or how you imagined it you remember what happened, sort of but you usually have no vivid recollection of being there. You have literally forgotten nearly all your life so far. You can also suppose or guess the future and be even more wrong. You don't even know the hours and days you will have until you die, let alone what will happen in the world and with you in it in that long or short time. All that you have is the present moment, but it is completely real. If you can really be in the present moment and not in your dream or your imagination of it, you are one of the few humans at that moment who are really there. And you will have greater chances of becoming awakened .

......You don't get it....its fine I have realized you can't force someone to get it. There is NO I, An I is an identity, and I has a memory all of that is imagined. I'll give you the clue again....when you go into deep sleep with no dreams....that is what your true nature as God is. God awakened to itself by imagining itself into being...thus CREATING a present moment. The present moment is a creation. If that was not true...deep sleep wouldn't be possible, that would be a constraint. The key to finding out God is you have to reduce and reduce until there is nothing left. What is nothing.....nothing. Nothing is no identity. No identity means no experience, no experience means no present moment. You need to have something there TO BE PRESENT. When you go into a deep dreamless state there is NO PRESCENCE. THAT is what God is. Then what happens as a human? You awaken from DEEP SLEEP INTO present moment. THAT is what God did and that explains all of existence. This also explains why all of creation fears death....because you fear awakening to the truth that what you truly are....is nothing, so nothing....that there isn't even a present moment. You have to imagine one. There is no more ALONE than a lack of a present moment than that.

Hey guys... It's been a while since I made a thread. Before I delve into this topic I want to be as transparent as I can regarding the motive behind the making of this thread. Some of you will understand, most of you won't. Don't sweat it I am actually going through a lot right now. And I wish there was somebody I knew who is experienced and mastered what I'm currently going through who I could talk to. For those of you who have integrated chakras in your spiritual practices, the context of my issue is the following: I've awakened to the emotional dimension of my Consciousness. And this new found awareness is really kicking me in the gut and dragging me around. Anyway, to speak on the topic. So it is highly held by mass society that man is a rational creature - that is our established “baseline”. You only need to look around to notice this established social belief/ideology in order to get my point. Look at the environment of any artificial setting such as our schools, our offices, our homes, our political and commercial scenery. Everything is set in accordance to the idea that under normal circumstances a man is reason-oriented being and can be reasoned with. Do you see it? You have to really look and look closely to see it because it is so there that you might even mistake it for something so natural that it's insignificant. Look at how you'd approach other people, then look at how you'd approach.. say your pet. Look at how you would approach yourself - that is the formulation of your self-image. It really doesn't take long to notice as this is not a matter of discernment but rather of pure observation. This myth is so popular, so idealistic that it's become confused for actually rather than being seen as a fabrication. At this point, even if we were to reconsider the idea of rationality, I don't think humans would be the most rational species. An entire flank of animals would outrank us as more rational. Don't believe me? Just take a look at how animals choose their mates and how we do it. Take a look at how animals decide the right time to have sex and how we do it. Just start comparing the most random of things like when and why animals kill and why we kill. Look at why animals go to war and why we go to war. Look at their social structures, their family structures - who has which role in the family and how well everyone executes their roles. All you have to do is compare. Compare an ant colony with any human one and tell me which one is more sophisticatedly organised. Let's face it. Even if we were to reconsider this idea of rationality we humans would sure fall short to it. And some of you will excuse these flaws for complexity or some bullshit like that. Like are you kidding me? If other species' biology isn't as complex as ours than ours then I don't know what the hell is. A leaf is more complex than hand. It doesn't take much to understand why and how a hand is structured the way it's structured, it's utility can be easily figured out by a toddler. But a leaf on the other hand... Yeah, we are about as complex as anything else. So that's really no excuse. We are very good at pretending, that's for sure. No other species comes close to matching our pretentiousness, not even the slickest of camouflaging preys and predators. We flat outrank them in that criterion. But rational? I'm sorry I just don't see. Sure we are very cognitively enabled hence all the technology that we have developed. But rational??? Pattern recognition and Math is not an indicator of rationality anymore than it is a language. Your ability to count and account for things says nothing of your ability to be rational. Only your ability to be self-organised does. We are too self-destructive to even begin to view ourselves as self-organised. No. I've personally interacted with my fair share of humans, including myself, to know for certain that we are not rational. That's a myth. Which begs the question: If not rational then what are we? What exactly is involved in our decision-making process? How do we even find ourselves having to make decisions in the first place? And that, friends, is what I've woken up to. That is what I'm having trouble stomaching and has left me in the state of perpetual free-fall so to speak. That is why I wish there was somebody who understands that I could talk to about it because I'm really having trouble finding a way to integrate this in my spirituality, in my life to be less blunt. Maybe I can do nothing with it other than just remain aware. It's very uneasing but maybe I'll just get used to it. This awareness of a force that you see no chance and no point in trying to resist. So yeah.. that's been what's been on my mind and what's led me to create this thread. There's quite a lot that I've chosen to leave out, regarding spirituality, but there would be no point in mentioning it unless someone understands what I've already stated. Those of you who are too rooted in your identity won't. The gravity of your psyches won't let you as viability is your main concern at the moment - and not possibility, not really. But that's okay. Just writing this and expressing myself makes me feel more grounded, even if it's not on the illusion of rationality but just a sense of clarity I guess. For those who you who really don't understand and might need a clue to what I'm talking about. Basically, waking up to your emotional nature is waking up to the designation and employment of karmic energy by your Consciousness and for the sake of completeness. I'm telling you that you're not sometimes emotional but are, in fact, always emotional. That you have understood very little of your emotional dimension, much less than what society and your education has led you to believe. Where there is motive there is emotion - try to think of your emotional nature like that and you will begin to get it. And this is just one out of seven dimensions which all have energy centres that are, today, being carelessly referred to as chakras. ? So so much more to understand about spirituality. Yet so little intention to actually try to learn.

90% of people aren't at a higher level of consciousness and never will be. Only 10% of people in the world are spiral dynamics stage yellow, and even the majority of those aren't enlightened/awakened. 90% of people will be corrupt devils if you give them near-unlimited power. Elon Musk isn't a perfect role model, but he's a good enough role model for the era he lives in. I'm not above it. I know I'd do horrible things with that amount of money and power. The temptation is way too great. Hell, most people would do horrible things even if you just made them the admin of a large Discord server.

@Razard86 Thank you for the message. I have repeatedly awakened to everything you discussed. What I wanted Leo to expand on is the concept of infinite mind having only one point of view. He seems to be saying that my field of perception is all that exists. Even my own awakenings are pointing to this. This seems like an incredibly inefficient method for an unlimited infinite mind to explore itself. Why would I limit myself to a singular field of perception when I don't need to? Also, in the past Leo has said everything is conscious, but more recently he says the only conscious thing is you. If I am everything than everything would have to be conscious, but I feel Leo is stating something different here. I would like him to clarify and expand on this.

I won't opine on the possibility/impossibility of becoming awakened by reading. But as to what I think helped me as a human self comprehend it that's in the domain of books. I'd definitely have to put Lucid Dreaming: Gateway to the Inner Self by Robert Wagoner at the top of the list. It contains some very radical things, that anyone with an open and intelligent mind reading becomes practically forced to do spiritual work seriously in some capacity. For number two, I'd say You are the Placebo by Dr. Joe Dispenza would have to be it. Simply because early on in my pursuit of spirituality, this very book answered some hard pressing questions I had. And as for number three, it's not really a book, but the trip reports on Erowid of various entheogenic substances. Yes, you have a great many instances of people misusing and abusing things, and having horrible things happen to them that are nearly always totally unproductive. At the same time, there are many instances of hard-hitting experiences that make certain facts like you being God, our "physical universe" being nothing more than a dream, sober people being affected by others tripping, etc all rather obvious.

@thisintegrated If you could, it would be an excellent catalyst for your own awakening. Challenging to find though. Most who have achieved that state have no interest in being known, so you won't find them on YouTube. I received some very powerful transmission's during my trips to India from beings who were in very awakened states. But once again they have no interest in being famous or having a following so it's not easy to find them.

@thisintegrated Yes, this is a very real phenomena I have experienced in different ways. One of the most profound examples was attending David Hawkins workshops. My theory is when we place our attention on someone or something you are aligning with that energy and state. A type of co resonance begins to occur. This can certainly occur with watching video recordings. Even reading writings from highly awakened individuals can have this affect. This is also the theory behind shaktipat.

So what books awakened or enlightened you the most? Personally, I have been compiling the most powerful and useful book titles here in a single document. Which titles are you happy to see featured and what do you believe is missing? P.S. the link is public and the pdf is downloadable.

He has denounced God to me directly on a one and one phone call. Which means he has not awakened to no self. He read a book or watched a video and bought into it. When you realize no self, you realize God. What does it mean for something to exist? The answer: To be conscious of it. Existence is Consciousnsess and Consciousness is Existence. This is God - and this is You. If he fails to become conscious of this, then he is still assleep. If he is still assleep, he is still Truth. But he is Truth unawakened.

@RendHeaven You have a little misinterpretation at the beginning of the cascade. In the previous thread I linked, I claimed Emptiness was "larger" and more ontologically expansive than form. "I'm conscious that form and formlessness are the same, but I have the sense that formlessness is 'larger' because space can't confine it. The Emptiness is in my field of experience, yet there's also Emptiness outside the border of vision. If Emptiness has the entire realm of space and time and conception and thoughts plus more, it seems more profound than form (and this was not logically deduced; it's something I actually have access to; my senses/experience are like an island in an ocean of Emptiness or a Void). I can't imagine a Self without Emptiness holding all of reality, including form, together." Leo replied and said that Emptiness could not be beyond form since both were completely identical. And then here Leo became inconsistent when he said Consciousness goes beyond space and time (obviously because this contradicts his claim Emptiness can't transcend form). With the Platonic analogy of gold and shapes, we have to drop the qualities of color. It is simply a fact that Consciousness is Emptiness, is completely transparent. This is the permanent Nothingness that escapes transience but which permeates it. The main part you're attacking in your response is where I took some of the truth of the principle Leo established to upend its supposed denial of space and time. He or you might say that Consciousness unifying with space and time destroys their reality because reality is singular and cannot allow for multiples, but I could equally say as a demonstrable and irrefutable theorem that Consciousness = Reality and Consciousness = its manifestations, therefore its manifestations = Reality = Real. The individual forms are real even though they are the same ontological entity or eventually go by a single name. The issue this all points to is that Leo's primary frustration/difficulty here is that a microscopic fraction of the people here have awakened, to match his standards. And he sees them speaking about things with which they have no direct experience, so he attempts to sidestep this by saying, "No, that doesn't exist!" Rather than engaging in actual philosophy. The concern is that all of these statements, like those of space denialism or time denialism, will get believed (which is concerning since they aren't true, or are at least partial truths) or used to misinterpret the whole system and drag people off into a trap in the darkness instead of pulling them along the correct path. I've said previously that people finding this project hundreds of years after Leo's death will need some definite work to hold on to or a masterpiece (magnus opus for the summum bonum) to read and understand every truth, every position, every piece. That's why the systematizing is important.

I dont think you would have a problem with it if you actually awakened to solipsism, instead of watching videos and conceptualizing about it. When you understand that none of it is real, everything can indeed feel 'fake'. I mean if there is nobody else having their own experiences, then it is true that everything you hear that wasnt directly experienced are just stories that did not happen. It took me some time to actually start enjoying this kind of perspective, but it is possible to do. You can still connect with others even though it is imaginary.

I just don't see why you guys have it in your mind, that an awakened being would talk about awakening and nothing else. I don't see myself ever teaching this stuff. You can not judge a person's awakening by what he spends his life doing. EDIT: The guy in the video is really admirable but this is exactly the problem of this whole thing. If everybody just sat in samadhi all day, civilization would quickly collapse; hence Game B and all this utopian talk, so we can actually live like that, without having to worry that the world is gonna burn to ashes any moment.

Quite probably the most exasperating thing about awakened (or previously awakened) people is the possibility that they literally deny the existence of space and time, even though they are physically made out of space and time (moving colors as the form of the body and moving sounds the voice physically based "out there" and mental objects too that have spatial and temporal traits like thoughts, LIKE A THOUGHT COULD BE IN EXISTENCE, COULD EXIST IN BEING).

I'm confused by your definition of awake. If people like Wilber and Schmachtenberger are not awake, then nobody is. They obviously have had awakening/enlightenment experiences, but choose not to live from that place 24/7 and follow their dharma instead. I don't see how you could claim being awake (it seems like you implicitly do), if you don't allow for any dualistic activity in someone awake. EDIT: It seems to me you are advocating against narrative, and I definitely see how that could lead you to a more pure awakened state but I see it more as a preference. I myself enjoy the story and want to be fully engaged with it and that's just not possible from a state of pure solipsism.

After visiting other cities here in Germany, I noticed the stark difference in overall consciousness and authenticity. I'm living basically at the lowest rate of spirituality in this country haha. So please share your perspective on where to find the most spiritually advanced people on this planet. And I don't mean just green "wokeness" like cities where many students live. My focus is mainly on direct authenticity and conscious everyday relationships towards another.

Acquired conscience vs. Awakened conscience I'm full of bullshit sometimes and I'm okay with that. Because it doesn't matter, If I wasn't okay with my periodic bullshit ways. I would be divided against myself. I try not to dismiss or justify my errors but sometimes I probably do. When I err and it causes someone else offence or hardship I try to sit with it and cook. Remorse of conscience informs me and does so properly. The self sustained stain of guilt is a perpetual vicious circle. It's a worthless burden put on mankind by dogmatic religions. It's my experience that guilt blocks the awakening of conscience. So self forgiveness is a necessity and also to see what you don't like in others is also within oneself most often. When it's noticed. Everything is cancelled out. To borrow a line from Rob Brezney. "My morality is always on the verge of collapsing". My automaton or animal is an absolute slut. Guilt is often mixed with acquired conscience. Acquired conscience changes over time and is different between different cultures. This is our conditioning and super ego. Our internalized critic that doesn't come from our inner self but rather an auto-pilot critic from childhood conditioning. We should show kindness towards our elders because even though they had a hand in our conditioning; they've carried this burden longer than us younger folk. Awakened conscience is different and is the same in all awakened people. The 'language of the smile' is a cousin to awakened conscience. Awakened conscience is the intelligence of the Cosmos. It's the golden rule. Do unto others as you would want to be treated. We're all fools and a variety of them as well. A ship of fools is my so called "I". Make yourself vulnerable and Insecure people will mock you sometimes. This can grow you. Forgive yourself as needed. If anyone does you wrong and makes you angry. Forgive them so you won't hate yourself. Over and out. See you later alligator,,,

That’s not how the successful teacher student relationship works. As you yourself mentioned, there is no other. So the teacher is merely lighting the latent possibility within yourself, reflecting back what is possible as both you and as no one at all. The teacher is a pure emptiness embodied, which is why they are trust worthy enough to teach. When there is no one behind the eyes of the guru, there is literally no one to give your authority over to, which is precisely why you can trust them! Finding the right teacher is difficult, often only appearing until the student is actually ready to wake up. You are not trustworthy unless you have complete integrity in the relative domain. Don’t confuse absolute trust with relative trust. Relative trust is the metric you can use to measure whether you’ve actually realized absolute trust. To truly trust, you must be completely fearless. To be completely fearless, you’d need to know what you are. To know what you are would mean you are awakened. Are you awake? Are you actually trustworthy, or are you just bullshitting yourself by conflating absolute and relative truths?

One of the greatest delusions: "I'm not good enough". This delusion is itself the illusion of the spiritual journey, which is wanting to ascend due to perceived suffering of not being happy or good enough, awakened enough, attractive enough, or what have you. You are good enough, now, here in the present moment (ah the present moment, remember that old teaching?) No level of anything is better than anything else. Its all love. It's all beautiful.

Exactly. Everywhere we look there is only self. We attack what we don't like inside outside. This isn't some spirituality thing this is literally known in psychology. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-big-questions/201108/we-see-in-others-what-we-fear-in-ourselves Jordan Peterson knows this, its a fundamental psychological theme and one of the many components Jordan has awakened the world to in many of his speeches. He once talked about how when he was working under his Professor in Grad School he was in a prison. He pondered if he would be capable of some of the violent acts the prisoners there had committed and he realized that if the circumstances were aligned just right he could do the same thing they did. This is why I say he is too intelligent and brilliant to have the current issue he is having. The same level of introspection a young Jordan Peterson was capable of he surely is capable of right now. I think one day he will realize his folly....probably on his death bed.

Shinzen is overflowing with joy, not sure what you guys are talking about. Shinzen is definitely comparable to Sadhguru. Not only that, but the precision from which he speaks is radically more advanced than anything Sadhguru has to offer, and it’s all free and on YouTube or in manuals. Shinzen’s UM system is a path to God for those who understand what he’s pointing to. Shinzen is intentionally meek, doesn’t seek to accumulate endless followers, or wealth. He intentionally limits how much he “transmits” and to the masses, this will be mistaken as “not as enlightened,” or “Zen kills the heart.” Which is particularly funny given that the Zen Master’s ultimate goal is to walk the path of the Bodhisattva, which is the most intense, heart wrenchingly compassionate heart centered path any being can walk. You’re literally vowing to continue being reincarnated until all beings are Awakened which is an impossible goal, yet they strive, endlessly and eternally. Should be noted though Shinzen isn’t a Zen teacher. At the end of the day, Shinzen wont resonate with everyone, but from my own biased experience, I would put Shinzen as being well beyond Sadhguru in level of Awakening. But Ive heard stories about and had one on one conversations with Shinzen that give me that impression. Dude is actually insanely woke, way more than you’d ever expect watching his YouTube videos.

Just because you are God and the most awakened person you know does not mean you cannot have blindspots which those who are less conscious than you cannot point out to you. Teal is wrong on that point. Tiger Woods is the world's best golfer, but he still has coaches who point out his blindspots and his coaches are not better golfers than him. But they do have extra perspective which he cannot supply himself. Even if the documentary was deceptively edited, some of the clips of what Teals says and does are problematic beyond anything they could have edited. Like her claim that she cannot learn from people who are less awake than her. Her world's greatest runner analogy is just wrong. The world's greatest runners have coaches. The notion that Teal is so awake that others cannot point out her bullshit is laughably naive. She ain't nearly as awake as she thinks. And her emotional neediness is not some deepfake. It's there to see. I am more awake than most you guys here, but you can still point out my blindspots.

@Leo Gura So are these events for the sub minds of consciousness that make up humanity to awaken, or only for me to awaken? In some of your videos you talk about the collective consciousness of humanity, but in more recent awakenings you are saying it's only you or me. All others are only projections of my mind. If it's only me, then that would mean I imagined the war in the Ukraine to awaken myself. I'm not sure that would be a good catalyst for me. I'm much more likely to awaken from encountering a teacher like yourself than another war. Based on your insights that it's only me and all others are only projections of my mind, if I awakened I should theoretically be able to elevate all of humanity with my awakening. I would love for that to be true Leo, but it feels incredibly egoistical to think I have that much power and influence. I don't want to delude myself by thinking I could transform the entire world with only my awakening.

In this dream, your direct experience is clouded by your perspective. Your perspective is based on the many beliefs/impressions you have taken which will shape your reality. You have no idea how ridiculous this is until you ACTUALLY take the effort to deconstruct your reality. But here are some secrets. 1. Majority of what you believe are lies, and you take these lies on as truth, because of this your reality will continually reflect your beliefs. How strong reality is able to reflect these beliefs is based on the strength of the emotions attached to those beliefs. If you have some doubt, reality will show you things to reinforce that doubt. 2. Now why is it like this. Very easy. God is Ultimate Truth. To be ultimate truth means you are the source of truth. So if you are the source of truth, then whatever truth you hold is true. So Reality is your servant, and it shapes your experience based on your beliefs. So your ability to experience infinite possibility is only limited by your beliefs. 3. What does this mean? If you want to learn more, you need to drop all beliefs. Reality is not allowed to show you what you don't believe. Reality is your servant, Because you are God. All awakening is, is learning that you are God and finding out what is actually going on. You have placed yourself in an elaborate puzzle and have made it very challenging for you to realize what is going on. So here are some more hints. 4. The source of all experience is from you. You like to react to experience because you think it just happened, NO YOU made it happen. There is not a single experience you have not made based on your thoughts and emotions. The source of your power is your emotions, and which belief you focus them on, your thoughts then direct that power towards whatever those thoughts point too. This is why it is said Love is the most powerful thing there is, because it is the sole power that runs everything. When you awaken further you will understand. 5. Everything in existence serves the awakening process. Because Infinity wants to go to sleep to experience itself anew, it eventually wants to awaken. What you know as evolution...is just awakening. Everything that is, is continually in the process of awakening because the eventual result will be the collapsing of infinity into complete nondistinction and the end of the dream. Then it will begin anew to have infinitely more experiences to learn of itself all over again. 6. The uniqueness of this is your life is the most unique life. There will be similarities sure, but your perspective, your life, is the only one of its specific type that will ever be lived. Which means your configuration of beliefs which shape your reality is the only life of its specific makeup that will ever live. Be proud of your uniqueness. 7. Now here is the ultimate secret of why most on this forum do not understand the infinity of Gods and how it works. I'll use the map of your reality as a human to make it make sense. When Spirituality talks about awareness/awakening they are talking about the same thing. When God wakes up, God recognizes itself. How can God recognize itself? Because God is able to establish a connection. The reason why it is hard for you to grasp Oneness is because it is not part of your direct experience. Right now if all of humanity awakened to themselves as God fully...we all would have access to the opinions, memories, and feelings of everyone on the planet. God is able to create separate Gods, by putting them asleep. Since everything is God, if it is self-aware, it can exercise its sovereignty. But if its identity is small and it cannot feel the connections that are there it will treat it as an OTHER. 8. This is a brilliant design. Because it wouldn't matter how many times I tell you that someone else is you, if you cannot FEEL that in your direct experience you won't believe it. The irony is, without these pointers I wonder if God would ever wake up? If you raise your awareness and FEEL the connection then you will TRULY awaken. 9. None of us have truly reached that level yet, because remember that part where Jesus said you could tell a mountain be thou removed and cast into the sea? He meant that. When you truly awaken, you can speak to all that is because you are all that is. You are just asleep, and are too blocked with fear and judgment to establish a connection. Psychedelics give us a glimpse to what it would be like to be in an awakened state and the various levels of awakening there are.

Push yourself into that awakened state when you are in those low-confidence situations. You won't be anywhere near perfect, but it should help. Keep doing it over and over again until you grow more spine.