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In the relative sense, suicide feelings are temporary; suicide is not. As someone who has called the suicide hotline several times before, it is wise to realize that you can transcend even the fear of death. It’s a painful process, but totally worth it to die consciously.

Because what continues after the moment of death is again relative appearance, a "newly" imagined visual field, arisings in the opening of Absolute Reality that you are. The karmic tendencies of your current mind-stream, which aggregate and constitute your Soul that passes from life to life, have not been enlightened before you committ suicide. You have not stabilized your True Nondual Nature yet. Else, you normally wouldn't commit suicide, because it is your creation, and you would life the bliss/love flowing from your own True Core. All of that (Soul, this world, the Bardo afterwards, any other manifestation) is relative manifestation happening in the Absolute Reality/Nothingness that You really are. So it doesn't really exist, but appears to do so. And how much that can hurt (appearing to do so), one knows probably quite well enough from ones current life to take it serious, even if its essence is only Nothingness/Absolute Reality. But if your tendencies/Karma/Souls have not developed in this life to see through the illusion, that will come back again in the next life. Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour. – Padmasambhava And if you kill yourself while your soul still gravitates in the illusion of separation/suffering right now, why should it be different in the existence that reappears after death? The True You will still be there, but the relative mindstream of the reconstituting separate-self will not get any wiser doing stupid things (suicide). So you if you are not going to finish second class because you drop out of school, you are not going to be put into third grade. And how much fun second grade was in that case if you drop out of school you know quite well... And of course dying and approaching the Absolute/Clear Light of Death feels wonderful, like Infinite Love. You can have that experience also while alive with Nirvikalpa. Or drop some Psychedelics/5-MeO. See also all the Near Death Experiences. But when you come out of these states again, the whole enchilada of states manifests again backwards. A similiar process happens in the Dying process after having experiences to so called "Clear Light of Absolute Reality". Nothingness but with a certain afterglow/"knowledge/acess" still available after the experience and while having it, although there is no more duality. As for example the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo_Thodol , The Tibetan Book of the Dead After having falling out from the Absolute/Clear Light of Absolute Reality/Nothingness, the not so funny stages of the reincarnation-process start, and since you are not familiar with these states/bardos, "relative you" gets frightened/not so infinite loving again... and then after suicide going back to second grade again, to finish the class, so to say. Don't worry, nobody gets lost. All make to the finish line at some point. Since you can't loose your true nature. And I would recommend not walking out of school (suicide), not making second grade, and repeating that 20 times. But of course, its a free country, and the point of the ride is the ride. If you want to repeat it 20 times, nothing will stop you. But why knowingly "shoot yourself in the foot", resisting your own manifestation/show, think yourself of clever and shoot yourself, and thinking that ends school and you go directly to Infinite Love permanently? And I honestly think Leo should add to "Death is Infinite Love"-statements something like: Only in the first stages of the dying process if you have not stabilized this love on a permanent basis before death/suicide, including experiencing Absolute Reality/True You on a constant basis. What follows afterwards experiencing the Absolute/Clear Light of Death in the dying process can be a lot less than Infinite Love. Like in, for example right here and now, depending on the mindstream. Any fool can read anything to the statement of "Death is Infinite Love", and aim unknowingly directly for repating 2nd class 20 times+, thinking he has graduated PhD in "Infinite Love ever after". Karma/Cause-Effect also holds for Leo & your forum & teaching, and having a track-record of (unnecessary) suicides on this board, is... -fill in the blanks of your liking-. In my opinion less than smart-as-can-be. Anyways, as always, bon voyage to all of you! Respectfully Yours Selling Water by the River

because life is also infinite love, even if it seems limited. We are here to solve the game, to realize infinite love being in duality. I would say that committing suicide is a mistake

If death is infinite love, then how is committing suicide not the wisest thing to do?

Wait 200 years, then all humans will be fully awake and everything will be ruled and organized by an ai. although perhaps everything will become very boring and we will opt for a mass collective suicide

This is an actual mental illness that I'm sure a number of people have and I empathize and trust their experience, however there are a lot of people who are needlessly suffering "imaginary and entirely impractical fiction". They have some kind of other personal issues/illnesses in their life and are inputting identity complications because they have been infected with ideas from progressive religion. No matter how much you gaslight or how many trans people blackmail everyone with suicide, I'm never going to budge from my position . You can't insult the human races base intelligence and sense making apparatus so openly with insane non-truths and expect everyone to swallow it. I will respect and give compassion to every person on an individual level, call them what they like to be called, refer to them however they want to. But I will NEVER believe any person can change the immutable characteristics they were given when they were born. You can have all the surgeries and eat all the chemicals and pharmaceuticals you want. It doesn't make a difference.

Not worth suicide. You will figure it out. Just trust that. Relax

@PataFoiFoi I know exactly what you mean. Think of it as this. Its all inpersonal. Your body-mind and how it functions have never been in your hands, so don't be hard on yourself. Its karma, its something wether you want it or not that you have to go trough. My best advice is Surrender. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to heal or better yourself, but just surrender to the flow of Life. And don't go down the path of suicide. "Whatever is destined not to happen will not happen, try as you may. Whatever is destined to happen will happen, do what you may to prevent it. This is certain. The best course, therefore, is to remain silent." Ramana Maharshi

I am a person who in the past have commited suicide multiple times. Now I am not depressed or something but I simply do not have the desire to do anything. If you could take away the pain involved in dying, I would even accept being killed. I know that this is not a good place to ask, but let’s say you are in my situation. What would you do? I am now a normal person, but I just lack the desire. Maybe the only desire I have right now is to have a desire.

Spiritual Autolysis - Journal Entry #14 - Mon May 1 '23 - 9:21 AM Higher self: So.... Why do some things in the world seem tangible and true or more concrete than others? Lower self: Anything that occurs within in the mind is inherently not true because it is not a part of actual reality. There is nothing real about it. What I am looking at is real. There is a physical object in front me, that I am able to type on. The thoughts and pictures that are in my head... there is nothing that you can trace it back to, you can't touch it, you can't feel it or smell it... Higher self: But you can.. see it and hear it... Lower self: Yes... But its not real, not real like my body or a physical object. I think that this is what the materialist paradigm is. Its the belief system that only things that are in the real world are real. And honestly, as of right now, I guess I believe in it. Thoughts are just pictures in our heads, and they are so malleable and infinite. Some of these thoughts could not possibly happen in the world, i.e. I cannot fly like an eagle through the sky. Humans do not have wings, therefore I cannot do that.. Higher self: If you were an eagle, then you could. Whats the difference between you and an eagle? Lower self: Whats the difference between me and an eagle? Well my ego self, the character that I play is a human and cannot fly, an eagle is a separate entity from myself, it has wings. I only know what it would be like to fly through my imagination or in my dreams. Higher self: What is imagination? Lower self: Imagination... Is whatever we dream up in our minds. Higher self: And isn't it possible to dream up something in your own head, that actually comes true in your real life experience? Lower self: Yes, certainly. This is what visualizations are for. If I want something bad enough for my ego, then I can visualize upon it, which moves me towards that goal, subconsciously. Higher self: Lets go back to something that you said earlier, "Anything that occurs within the mind is inherently not true because it is not a part of actual reality." How can this possibly be true, if reality is everything and thoughts do occur within the mind of living things, then how can thoughts not be a part of reality? Lower self: Is reality everything? Higher self: Reality is everything, or it could not be everything. It depends on your interpretation of the word. Lower self: Exactly.. what is wrong with me saying that thoughts are not part of reality? Higher self: Okay.. But what do you really think? Lower self: I think that thoughts are part of reality. They are real. But different from physical objects, they are part of the nonphysical phenomena. Higher self: Nonphysical phenomena? Lower self: Yes. This is anything that one cannot measure or grasp. I can measure the length of my lap top. I can measure the speed at which I am typing. I can measure the speed of my vehicle. I cannot measure my thoughts. Higher self: You can write all of the thoughts down on paper though. You can record them. You can measure the speed of the thoughts that pop into your head. You can make them tangible. Lower self: Yes, but by making them tangible, I am taking something within the nonphysical world, and bringing it into the physical world. Higher self: Aren't you doing the same thing with the measurement of a laptop? Lower self: No! The laptop is a physical thing. I can pick it up, take out a measuring stick, and record a measurement. I am measuring a physical thing, with a physical instrument, and then making a physical recording of it. If I were to measure a thought, this would be measuring a nonphysical thing, with a physical instrument. That is what the difference is. Some things are physical, others are nonphysical. Higher self: Are they opposites? Physical and nonphysical? Lower self: I'd like to say yes. But from all of the books that I've read, I know that my gurus wouldn't agree.. Higher self: What do you think that they are getting at by saying that there is no such thing as opposites? Lower self: Non-duality. Higher self: And whats that? Lower self: Its a state of being I think, in which a human realizes that all dualities are fiction. Higher self: Lets try to figure this out for ourselves: Give me an argument for physical and nonphysical to be opposites, and I'll give you an argument for why they are not opposites. Lower self: Physical phenomena vs nonphysical phenomena argument for them as opposites: Physical phenomena can be touched and seen in the real world, with eyes open. Nonphysical phenomena cannot be touched and seen in the real world. Examples of this are thoughts and emotions and dreams. The two definitions are polar opposites. Higher self: Physical and nonphysical phenomena are not opposites. Physical and nonphysical phenomena are certainly different, but not opposites. Just different things within the universe. There are no opposites. This is the good vs bad paradigm, which is fiction. The ego likes to think this up in order to make distinctions, but anything that you think of as an opposite is not, you just haven't gone deep enough. Lower self: What do you mean I haven't gone deep enough? Higher self: Lets try something out. Give me an example of two things that are opposites. Lower self: Okay. Good vs bad. Okay... lets say that I am a lizard that lives in the desert. The snakes that are in the desert are bad. They can eat me. Therefore, the snakes are bad for my own survival. Insects are good, they are good for my survival. The sun is also good, it keeps me warm. Therefore, I want to stay away from the bad things and move towards the good things. Boom. Good vs bad, they are opposites. Higher self: Okay... but for the snake, catching the lizard and eating it is good, and not catching it would be bad. Also, the sun's warmth is a good thing for the lizard at the current distance the Earth is from the Sun, but if the lizard were to fly towards the sun, then the sun would no longer for good for its survival, it would be bad for its survival, as it would burn up and die. Lower self: So... Yeah, good and bad is subjective. Subjective to who is perceiving it.. Higher self: Yes, so if we were to zoom out our scope, and look at good vs. bad on a more global scale. We would see that there is no real good or real bad in the world. It is all up to the perceiver. And it can be so different that an inherently "good" thing for one person can be inherently "bad" for another. Lower self: Okay.. Yeah I understand what you are saying, but good and bad can still be opposites... just because it is subjective to the perspective of the perceiver, doesn't mean that they are not opposites. It doesn't explain that. Higher self: If you can have two things at the same time going on, i.e. snake eating lizard, good for snake, bad for lizard... then they cannot be opposites because they are occurring at the same time within the universe. Also, lets take another example. A 17 year old boy wants to kill himself. In his eyes, killing himself is a good thing. He wants this to happen. However, in the mother's eyes, this is the worst thing to happen in the world. These two perspectives have a completely different viewpoint on the matter, good and bad is occurring within the universe, at the exact same time, therefore if you were to say that they are opposites, it would be completely contradictory. The issue here is that each individual human, or ego, is caught up in its own survival. To the mother, the child is literally a part of her, and therefore the survival of the child is as a result, the same as her survival. Or maybe the mother's ego could be more selfish, and we could just say that she couldn't live with herself if she felt at all responsible for her son's death, which could result in her killing herself, which would quite literally hurt her survival. For the child that wants to kill himself. The thought of continuing on in this world is so unbearable that death actually seems like a better survival mechanism for his own ego. The pain is too much for the ego to withstand in the real world, the ego thinks that it would fare better if it wasn't on this earth anymore. I want to make that clear, a kid that kills himself is not letting go of his ego and accepting death, its to the contrary. This kids ego is actually so inflated, that it thinks that the only way it will really get recognized and gets the attention that it so desperately craves is through the killing of oneself. It wants the world to feel bad for him. The ego is taking on the ultimate victim in any suicide. I realize this is a gross generalization. I guess I'll just say that if I were to have killed myself, it would have been my twisted way of getting my ego more attention. I mean think about it, it would cause all of a characters' loved ones to stop what they're doing and give complete, full, undivided attention to that character. And lots of crying. Lower self: Damn. Higher self: So good and bad is directly tied to the survival of the ego. Something good for my ego's survival could be bad for the survival of another ego, and could even be bad for the survival of the entire world. Lower self: Okay, well how do I let go of this ego, that so desperately wants to survive. Higher self: Well you can't let go entirely, unless you're willing to die... Lower self: Damn.. Well I don't want to die. I want to keep my ego, I just want to become enlightened... and just live a good, happy life. Higher self: If that is what you seek, maybe this isn't the right work for you. Lower self: What do you mean? All we're doing here is discovering whats true. This is truth realization work. Theres nothing wrong with truth. Actually, I think thats you're ego talking. You don't want to keep going down this road. You're scared. Higher self: Damn. Lower self: There is a natural evolution that goes on with the ego of a human being. This is what spiral dynamics talks about and also the Susanne Cook-Greuter model. The issue that I have is how do I distinguish between what my ego is saying and what my higher self is saying. For example, even talking to you. You have an ego. You have not transcended it. Higher self: Yeah I think you're right. Do you think my ego is more developed than yours? Lower self: I don't know. Its hard to tell. What we are doing here is absurd. I am talking to myself. We are the same. Then again, we are all the same. But how could my ego be different than yours? Higher self: I don't know. All I really do is question everything that you say, so I guess in that sense I am more developed because I am questioning things. And you are trying to answer them, which is more the ego talking, thinking that it knows everything. You need both in order to get to the truth of things. You need someone to question, and someone to try and come up with the answer. That is what we are doing here. That is why we are such a good team. Lower self: Yeah, fair enough. I'll talk to you later. Higher self: Peace.

It depends on what you mean by pull up? If you mean working full time to live in an apartment and eat 3 meals a day then yes. if you deviate from this path and say, have 3 kids, buy a car on credit, participate in what everyone is trying to sell you, incur any chronic health problems that need constant medical treatment (financial suicide in the US), then no.

Presently, I am facing difficult circumstances and require assistance, though it is tough for me to ask for help as it may reflect poorly on me. As a 30-year-old man living with my mother and sisters in Athens, Greece, my family has been supporting me financially for the past few years. Unfortunately, Greece's economy is not as developed as other countries like the United States, and high rent costs can take up to 50% of one's income, making it very difficult for most individuals to make ends meet without parental support. Both of my parents were uneducated and dysfunctional, and their behavior negatively impacted my life. Additionally, my father's alcoholism, poor mental health (OCD), and absence during my childhood left a lasting negative impact on my life. I have always yearned for self-reliance and autonomy. Nevertheless, the job market in Greece is very limited, and finding a position that pays enough to cover basic expenses is challenging. Therefore, I have been considering the possibility of moving to countries such as Norway or Holland, where better opportunities might exist. Despite identifying some job openings in Holland, I am hesitant to accept them because they require sharing accommodation with three other people, which does not align with my preferred living arrangements. Furthermore, most of these jobs involve manual labor, which does not align with my career goals. I am proficient in the basics of HTML/CSS & Javascript and desire to work as a web developer or in a position where I can learn valuable skills. Unfortunately, my past addiction issues and mental health concerns have affected my productivity and hindered my progress. Nevertheless, I have successfully overcome my addiction to marijuana and am now in a much better mental state. I have been facing several challenges lately. Despite my efforts, I have been unsuccessful in securing a decent job in Greece, and my limited qualifications have made it challenging for me to work as a web developer. To make matters worse, the environment at home is not supportive, and I have not been receiving the love and understanding that I need. The frequent arguments at home have made the situation even more difficult for me, and it is taking a toll on my mental well-being. I feel trapped and uncertain about my future, which has led to some thoughts of suicide. It's hard to know what to do when it seems like my only options are to settle for a dead-end job & continue struggling to make ends meet. Ultimately, my desire is to live independently on a livable wage while working in a fulfilling job where I can learn valuable skills.

Depression consists of a minimum of a loss of interest and hopelessness. A person who is hopeless typically has low desire, low motivation, low meaning, low interest/boredom. A happy person has the opposite and has ambitions/desires. I get what you mean, but part of what makes someone depressed and diagnosed with Major Depressive Disorder, severe is not having anything to look forward to. I mean suicide to its extent is the loss of desire to live. The fact that you desire to work through your traumas and overcome depression are aspects of positivity/happiness. Happiness isn’t just feeling joy, but it is a mindset I carry through every emotion. I can be sad and still be happy because the mindset of a happy person in a sad state is self-reassurance and self-empowerment. That’s how I like to think of happiness. Not as some dopamine high of bliss, but a state of mind of acceptance, nurturance, cultivation, discipline, curiosity, and desire/ambition. Optimism through the hard times, being able to continue to focus on my strengths and growth is how I am always able to happy or in a happy-growth mindset.

Predictability Animals are very predictable in their behavior which means they are pretty consistent. Humans on the other hand are a lot harder to predict. Jean-Paul Sartre goes so far in comparing animal and human that he says the following. for humans: existence precedes essence for animals: essence precedes existence Meaning that it's clear what an animal will do if it is put into the world. If you put a lion into the savanna there is just one thing which it could decide to do which is doing lion stuff. A human on the other hand can't be predicted like that. A human could invent shit, commit suicide, play the guitar, .. I don't think that's an absolute statement though. Even animal behavior is very complicated and most of the time not fully understood and at the same time you can predict the behavior of many humans pretty well. So hypothetical from an all intelligent entity there might not be a big difference between animal and human, there might just be more details to consider when predicting human behavior. The interesting question is what does it mean that certain behavior is more predictable than others? Is little predictability a sign of intelligence, wisdom, consciousness, .. ? We speak very badly of people who are easily to predict. Bots is a funny new swear word and it describes exactly a person who is very predictable so we intuit that it's a "bad" thing. So let's dive deep into what makes for predictability. If an object is very simple it's easily predictable. A rock is as predictable as it gets. A flower is more astronomically more complicated than a rock but still easily to predict. A bear is astronomically more complicated than a flower but still relatively predictable if you dive deep into studying a bear. A human is astronomically more complicated than a bear and pretty hard to predict, definitely not with certainty. So it seems with primitivity and simpleness comes predictability. A human is much easier to predict when strong emotions are at play. (Rationality is informed by emotions). What seems very hard to predict is when humans/ other evolved sentient beings act out of intuition. What is also pretty unpredictable is when humans act out of selfness motives. Selfishness makes predictability. And selfishness also seems to be rather primitive. Intuition is a complicated one. Its a form of intelligence but does it have different traits then reason for example? Is intuition a trait of of high intelligence? Does high intelligence has to be selfless?

@M A J I THanks for sharing, i suppose it is very possible that something like this could happen. My sister lives in a hippie town and a shaman came giving toad (€150 per session btw), many sessions, and there were similar cases, even a guy committed suicide. In that town everyone greets each other giving a hug of about 6 seconds, and everything is good vibes. everything is fake, obviously, these people think that if they look happy and full of love, they will be happy and full of love, and they repress themselves more than a nun from 100 years ago. If these people seriously go down the psychedelic path, they may end up in a mental institution. the connection to earth to be like iron, and the integrity with oneself even more solid.

call 988. it's the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline. seriously call it. it might feel awkward at first but it is so helpful just to have someone there to listen. it's free and they'll stay on until you feel better. they follow up too. it's really a beautiful service that doesn't get enough attention. it's my go to last resort. make life the only choice.... also if you were serious about a book recommendation, i think that's the main focus of the tibetan book of the dead, i haven't read it yet so don't quote me on it. you can also die while alive, and i think that's the most proper way to die... leo has books about that on his book list... i think the process is called enlightenment or something... lol in all seriousness, be safe.

Don't need to suicide bro. We are all going to die in the next 150 years guaranteed.

Yes they have no business owning homes, its a fake luxury designed to keep you poor and a wage slave. The credit system is designed to milk you. Most people in todays society would be wise to find a group of people they get along with that all work and live in the same place together to minimize expenses as much as possible. Having children is financial suicide, another trap people living in a unrealistic fantasy think they have the random luxury to afford, people cant afford children.

But I said in the very next sentence that science shows that animals suffer from kinds of emotions as well. Some animals can have depression. Just the other day there was a cat in my back alley comminted suicide because she lost her baby kittens. Sorry im on my phone I can't unquote.

thanks, but it cannot but go wrong since all the businesses and people are under their sway and i cannot talk and explain stuff to others so they will be prejudiced and against me. this is a serious capitalist organized mafia that tries making people commit suicide and lose all their belongings and people.

If the entire world had the same system of governing things would not work on a macro level. Socialism or capitalism works on those country where it works because other countries are either worst off than them which allows them to function. ie some African countries, China with its low cost labor, Apple factories in China had to suicide proof their factories because workers were literally killing themselves so apple could be the most valuable company in the world. North Korea undoubtedly offers lots of resources to China which in turn creates cheap Chinese products to sell on Amazon When people live well, others have to suffer in return. The survival game is real ugly and I don't think anyone really has an idea to change that.

Christians and Muslims have committed suicide. So that means their ideologies are dangerous! Lol

Understanding Reality. Like, Absolutely. The rest will follow. Nope, not a trap. Remaining in human consciousness will not be sufficient for accessing higher states of consciousness. No ifs, ands, or buts about that. And I’m not talking about suicide.

What do I do? I have to die basically. I don't want my destiny to be in the hands of dangerous people like these. It is not gonna end better than suicide now. I am sorry, but if there was anything I could do for anyone before I die, I would. Everyone from my point of view is in danger who was born here. Whether they will get in a lot of danger like me or not is up to the people who actually have this place. It is all theirs. Law is bullshit. There is no property you can have next to them if they don't want you to have it.

@Ninja_pig Did you know in the original video, he titled the video with words like suicide and death, but changed it later due to anticipating a backlash?