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To talk to a physicist who knows nonduality.

This discussion is just stupid. ?‍♂️ When convincing someone, if you are arguing, then you are losing. If you are trying to convince someone of nonduality, then you are not getting it.

A whole lot of misunderstandings. Harris sees no difference between awareness and consciousness. He says "my consciousness" and Rupert does not address this. Sam is not conscious. Consciousness is Sammy. The fact that Rupert's lights went out during surgery and that the world continued does not disprove Rupert's claims. Ruper seemed to have been bamboozled by this rhetoric. Also, nonduality does not exclude science, which was the main point over which Sam got so defensive about!

Are you defining enlightenment as the the absence of certain emotions in a mind-body? And if nonduality is “not two”, how can there be a difference between anger (1) and peaceful (2’)? That would be two separate things.

To create a false equivalency between Harris and Spira. They live in two different ballparks. Spira understands Harris' position. Harris does not understand Spira's. The key is to be in a position that understands all positions. Of course debating nonduality is pointless. But an unawakened person can't help debate this stuff endlessly. Spira isn't there to debate Harris. Spira is just using Harris' audience to spread nonduality. Meanwhile Harris thinks he is out-logicking Spira. Lord of Logick

When you directly realize your Self, not at the conceptual, but at the spiritual level, solipsism shows its empty hand. When your eyes open, you see the sameness, and the seamless contiguity, between all beings. That seeing dispels the lie of solipsism. Nonduality finally makes sense, not to the mind, but to the God that You are. I am only localized Consciousness, a transient wave with a beginning and an ending, but ultimately I am God, and so are you.

If it’s bringing thoughtless meditation, then it’s probably going to help you realize nonduality.

Anything becomes a dogma if you are dogmatic about it. The problem is not the thing itself but how your mind holds it. And a dogmatic mind will hold all things dogmatically, be it science or religion or spirituality or even nonduality or love. And even -- drum roll.... -- being nondogmatic. In a delicious irony, the dogmatic mind will turn being nondogmatic into a dogma! Dogma gonna dog

Epistemology + metaphysics = nonduality Nothing wrong with that. I wanted to get that clear. A lot of people don't understand nonduality and just parrot other people. Nothing wrong with asking that question.

@Someone here I watched the episode and to answer my own question. One gets nonduality (the absolute truth) when epistemology and metaphysics are merged together. That was the answer I was looking for. What I'm wondering right now is this: Leo talked about the "practical implementations of truth", is there a sequel where he talks about this? I couldn't find it through the search.

I've read books/watched videos about "ego death" and "consciousness" and "awareness" and "enlightenment" and "liberation" and "nonduality" and started to have ideas what it could be what it was i was looking for. I tried meditation and self inquiry and pointing at my face with my finger and trying to see who was looking at it and now it seems like i was just making muscles tense and making up a story about it called "finding nonduality" or "if i do this maybe i'll awaken" or whatever. I also did mushrooms and lots of weed and looking back at it now, i believed that being high = awakening. hahahahahaha Before this obsession started, those words would sound to me like some angel healing crystal nonsense. Now they are back to sounding like nonsense. Good luck with your endevours!

@Moksha Yep, those are all a series of awakenings inside awakening itself. What I mean by awakening is the permanent realization (no falling back) of source. To be established in the supreme self, distinguishing between false and real but seen it all as one. Anyways, not to go that far, I just want initiation. To be established somewhat in nonduality and then reach source permanently. After that I will do all the resting juggle leo loves speaking about.

I want to share with You what I've recently discovered. Many times, during meditation I have far glimpses that I cannot comprehend now. Not at this point, it simply won't work. And forcing myself to incorporate these glimpses, result in very strong ego backlashes. Many of Your topics are about the same issue. Nonduality is something so out of this world, that I'm simply not able to apply straight forward. Try to force Yourself now to fully accept that Your closest relatives as Your parents are not real. It's insane! This process of assimilation nonduality is very slow. It must be. It must take years or lives, I would say. I discovered that at this very early stage duality is good. It helps. When You start recognizing Your existence in every living being, first in Your relatives but afterward in everything that lives, You start providing good effortlessly because the good You deliver to others is the same good You give to Yourself immediately. The power that comes within is something very true and REAL. And this power You need to progress. Just keep on being good to the world, to Yourself. Practice good. You won't notice how powerful You become every single day. How You feel good:) How less distracted You are, more solid. That's the beginning of how You become Everybody. That's the beginning of assimilating nonduality. All rise, Her Majesty Reality is coming:) Surrender to all, don't give up:)

Enlightenment is not a thing, and is only veiled by the thoughts which support, that you are a thing. Enlightenment can never happen to you. Enlightenment is such that no one gets “enlightened”. There is only enlightenment. There are no “enlightened people”. No one’s understanding of the universe (duality) is as direct as your direct experience right now, as the universe (nonduality). Awakening happens every single day. You’re wakefulness right now.

The relief is in the truth, and in truth you chose a belief rather than truth. Not a problem at all, but it’s why you’re still believing in death, fear & sleep. I feel you are talking to me not at my current level, but thank you for the insight. I really wanted practical advice for my level. Like talking to a therapist, doing some kind of yoga, breathing, healing etc. Blame is a natural though false deflection I'm not blaming the drug, I'm just saying the effects it had on myself. Not blaming the drug, I meant the ‘lowered my consciousness’ part. Consciousness is not some thing people have nor do. Attributing what you’re actually experiencing in feeling, to the ‘lowering of your consciousness’, acts inadvertently as a smokescreen. Without the smokescreen, it’d be practical... “I don’t like how I feel, and I want to feel better, asap”. The orientation here is directly toward feeling, not ‘raising your consciousness’. In this trajectory, you’d naturally look to understand & lift the very emotions you’re experiencing, finding that some perspectives feel good to you, and some don’t. Since you’re oriented toward feeling better, you’d be inclined to choose the better feeling perspectives. This ‘path of feeling better’ leads directly to truth, which is the greatest possible feeling. It is the very ‘better feeling’. Feeling ‘itself’ is guiding you. But (purely-innocently) rather than listening to ‘it’, you are inadvertently hijacking your own guidance out from under yourself, by claiming it as some thing you have or do. This is ‘conditioning’. You learned this perhaps, from the muggles & sleepers. Sorry you had to go through that. Excited you can choose otherwise, and will be feeling better in the guidance of your true nature. Imagine you’re in college and what you want more than anything is to pass the class you’re in, which happens to have the greatest, wisest, most loving teacher in the history of the universe. But you’re hardcore believing it’s your teaching...even though something about this feels very ‘off’. Imagine that teacher happens to be mute... and so you listen, via feeling. The more you listen, the more you understand & recognize the feeling language. Just like sign language. All happens in silence. Then imagine that teacher turns out to be the truth you were seeking in the first place, and that teacher was within you all along...super practical, perfectly reliable, literally always there for ya, always loving ya...just... you were focused on nonexistent “stuff” that doesn’t feel good to you. You’d been looking the ‘other way’ for a while. Abiding by feeling, is what ‘letting go’ is all about. Letting go of thoughts, perspectives, interpretations, misunderstandings, misidentifications...as they arise...that feel ‘off’. Every time you let a not-good-feeling thought go...more good feeling is uncovered. That’s the same better feeling you’d actually wanted in the first place. Perspectives wise, “if feeling says no, it gots ta go”. Imagine brushing some lilies away, and seeing yourself more clearly in the water as you do, and feeling refreshing, clearer, looser, not so ‘practical’, more wavelike, flow, naturally concentrated & energetic, a mellow yet strong vitality of life. If it don’t resonate with the creator - wise creator stops creating “it”. By creator you mean what? What’s practical is what’s actual. You’re present, and experiencing the momentum, the unfolding, of your choices & what you give attention to. You’re creating what’s experienced next, now. Presently the focus is on fear, death and the unknown, and you don’t like how you feel. Your focus is on three things that don’t exist. That would feel ‘off’ to any one. The “unknown”, is literally feeling! Listen to feeling. Let it be known! Let it guide & lead you, joyfully. “Fear” is a label, being put upon that feeling-guidance, which doesn’t fit. Utilize the emotional scale instead. “Death” is some “thing” no one has ever seen, heard, or directly experienced. It’s a collective belief, rooted in misunderstanding and identification. As you use the emotional scale, you realize this via directly feeling this more & more. Take the wheel of focus, relish in the guidance of feeling, and make a dreamboard to co-create the life in your heart, of your dreams, with your source. Thought coagulates. You pick a good feeling thought, and more good feeling thoughts are already being pulled to it. Notice there is no actual effort, in picking a better feeling thought. It actually just feels, better. And better. And better. And better. And better. You’ll be feeling so good you’ll have to sit down and catch your breath. Between the dreamboard, daily morning meditation, a clean diet, using the emotional scale, and letting go of anything that does not align with feeling & what is on that board...you’ll have no use for the Nahm’s of this place. You will recognize this place, as your place. Your creation. A prescription has yet to be written to God - only to I’s. Big Pharma is a false icon. The tragic is that I went not too long ago to a psychiatrist that also has interest in spirituality and he told me that the drugs given to me were like the opposite of psychedelics, meaning they make your ego stronger and smaller. I can't agree with that more, The amount of suffering I experienced was insane. Imagine that not only you erase your meditation progress, but you actually make it worse than before you even started to meditate, your ignorance and attachment to ego, thoughts, self-image, selfishness increases. Because I experienced some ups and downs in life, I now do really appreciate the suffering of some people, life is tough until you get to the 'very top'. I feel for ya man I really do, I’ve been there, pills, therapy, emotional roller coasters, etc, my story was also terrible. From using that emotional scale, changing perspectives, letting go, there wasn’t any more suffering. A mystically delightful day came, and it was realized no one else experiences ‘my suffering’, nor I ‘theirs’. It blew ‘my mind’ in a more literal than figurative manor, like oodles of goodness filling up the noggin day after day, again & again. Even, and especially right now as I type this to you. Maybe talk to someone whom profit of fear & scripts isn’t feeding their family What do you mean by profit of fear & 'scripts' , what people are you referring to, is it modern clinical psychologists?. Also ,then who should I talk to instead? People who choose to sell you a solution, a product, a substance, rather than people who help you to align with our source. People who innocently just do not know, because they have not ‘done the work’ themselves. “I” can not be inside of self. Of course that’ll feel meta off. The definition of "i" is self/ ego, and it's natural to be attached to your self, and what happened to me is that I was not feeling safe because my whole reality was vibrating and I lost touch with my 'original regular self'. From there I reacted impulsively, avoiding it and trying to feel my body by touching it and 'remembering' my old connection to my body and reality as this finite self- body- identity. All definitions are actually fluid connotations. By no longer pretending something is wrong with you. Let go of thoughts which don’t feel good, and you’re on the path, awakening, already. Don’t fear the release of the belief in fear. Thank you! what do you mean by the fear as belief? Fear is a real feeling like joy, isn't it? so are you saying that joy is also a belief? or are you saying that the content of the thought associated with the fear is not true? and do you mean that I should let go of the fear, and let it disappear on it's own, or to detatch from the fear and observe it ? Fear is a word, a label, and is not an emotion one consciously creates, nor is it indicative of who you are, which is precisely why joy feels, like, joy. Joy is much more than even your true nature. Joy is the best of ‘both worlds’, joy is consciously co-creating this life with our source. There’s really nothing you need to do, not work for you to do, on fear, because it’s a belief you can let go of. This will happen quite naturally as you utilize the dreamboard & emotional scale. There are no levels in nonduality my friend, just this love. Rather than claim it or attribute it to me, know it for and as yourself.

Was a director of a company that employed people with disabilities. Left that and started a leather fashion company. Left that and become a professional touring circus performer. Left that and became a writer, specializing in nonduality fiction stories. I like to mix things up and try new life purposes.

Your instinct is guiding you well here. I share your cynicism of solipsism. It is duality parading as nonduality. If You are the Source of the cosmos, and everything out there is just an illusion, then You have created a duality between You and the illusions that you create. Nonduality goes beyond solipsism. It it the realization that everything, including the infinite variety of forms that You create, is mysteriously part of the same One. The waves of the ocean are still part of the ocean, however transient they may be. Don't dismiss life as meaningless, as so many solipsists do. God is all, including the journey of each soul back to its Source.

Nonduality Wars Episode 4 A New Hope It is a period of civil war....

@diamondpenguin Enlightenment literally, literally, literally cannot be put into words. But we do it anyways because as humans, we cannot help ourselves. The way I like to put it is that it's a non-experience. You realize yourself as the entire universe. And since you are ALL of it, there is nothing. Why? Because all bases are covered. You can't perceive or sense any of it because YOU ARE IT. Total mind-blow! A kind of creepy part about it is that you realize that there is no "self" to enlighten because all of it is already you. Following enlightenment, feelings and perceptions (how you relate to the world) change for the better. I don't yet know much else than that; I still have a lot to learn myself. My advice is to take it slow; don't try to awaken as fast as possible, because there's tons of emotional labor involved and you'll wanna spread that out over time. (It already sounds like you're in no hurry, so that's good! Life purpose is just as important as awakening in my opinion. In fact, awakening can be a part of your life purpose! ) Ken Wilber on nonduality: It is too complex to be known,; too simple to believe; too present to be grasped; too here to be felt. Best of luck.

You are consciousness, yet you are attributing yourself to your friend being “very you” (still better than “not very you” imo). He’s absolutely you, not “very you”. That arrives at “one thing”, which stands to pierce the very heart of nonduality, or ‘not two’. “One thing” is not, “not two”. For an actuality of your friend as very (or not very) conscious, you must forget you are the consciousness you’re talking about. And the miracle is, you can! How awesome are you?! Pretty awesome “in my opinion”. Your typo is actually spot on! @Mannyb Nahm is day my good sir.

I’ve spent years studying nonduality and doing consciousness work. At this point I have to admit that I’m biased toward consciousness generating the brain as well as everything else, but how can we at all be certain that this is the case? Is this not just a belief? Any changes in consciousness seem to be heavily correlated with changes in brain activity. Why is this the case?

Hey Leo, Hey fellas I havent found this emptiness, nothingness, void everyone is talking about and neither did it just occur. Anyhow, my question is regarding a statement of Leo's in his Quantum Mechanic video. There he states, that Physicality takes place within consciousness and not that the brain produces consciousness. OK, I got that, but that then still means, that within this timeless UNIVERSAL field of consciousness, there is a person or animal tapping into it with their perspective and that makes up every perspective(worm, bacteria, human, dog....) possible. So for example, i took an MRI-Scan which is an appearence, but it is not an appeareance within consciousness that is priviledged to me but the staff and my doctor and everyone who can interpret the taken image. But now I'm confused about the notion of nonduality where all dualities collapse and therefore there should only be one observer and not so many right? Like I believe right now that my friends and family have just as a rich experience of the world in the year 2021 like me and my dog have but this notion of other identities (perspectives) in nonduality seems paradoxical. Can someone explain this to me?

It’d be most helpful imo to be aware of thought’s about a you going into nondual awareness.... ...the off shoot is believing thoughts about there being a “duality”, and a you identified with it. Paying attention, inspecting these thoughts, unravels the pattern, and uncovers “the now”, or presence, being. That veiling narrative happens literally one single thought at a time, always in the exact same now. Noticing it is effortless. “Body” is only the thought “body”. There’s no “ghost” in “a body” attached somehow. It’s thought attachment. Meditate daily, first thing in the morning. Again in the afternoon. Try telling the story of when “you first attached to the body”. Have a laugh. ? It’s a funny story when inspected, and having a laugh when spotted, it breaks the chain. Who’s that all about there? In a literal sense, who are you even thinking about? There’s no chest moving in & out of stuff. Nonduality isn’t some kind of haunting. Right now, awareness is aware. Inspect thoughts about yourself, about time, about nonduality & duality ?.

Two. Twoness is not actual reality, but is the experience of thought, of believing thought, and thus believing in meaning. Up means not down, down means not up. Without down, up is meaningless, just air smacking lips. Without up, down is meaningless, just a sound. What happens when this illusion of twoness, of thought, of meaning, is recognized? This is the “fear” of the finite mind, which doesn’t know ‘who’ or ‘what’ it really is, because ‘who’ it really is forgets it’s own infinitude by appearing as, the finite mind. “Finite”, as in, not-infinite, not-me, other-than-me. Like a magnifying lens magnifies, a finite lens finites: twoness, thoughts, meaning, separation, this and that, up and down, me and world, me and other, life & death, love & hate, and so on. Differences in the twoness activity of the finite mind. Differences are established via meaning. Without difference, sameness is meaningless. Without sameness, difference is meaningless. Difference & sameness are the illusion of the finite mind, via believing thoughts, believing meaning, mistaking its actual reality, for any ‘other thing’, other than itself, infinity. Without fail & without exception this experience feels off, because the finite mind can believe but can not change or escape the truth of “it’s own” nature, yet there is the apparent experience of freedom (more meaning), and the finite mind is completely free to suffer and hold itself in the bondage of “it’s own” thoughts, beliefs, concepts, and meaning. It can get quite mean in deed. Thought & meaning are creator-creation-communication, of creator-creating-creation. There are not two communicating, there is the experience of communication. Expressing & exercising preferences, the appearance that is the finite mind creates appearance, with appearance, as appearance. Preferences are an appearance and are of a source, desire. Desire is love, expressing itself, via appearing to itself, as itself. Human desire is the ‘echo’ of the veiled unconditional love (nonduality) into the apparent world, via the apparent finite mind. Communicating & sharing preferences, what is not-two experiences twoness, and co-creates. In this sense, meaning (thought, twoness) is of this world. Humans (thought, twoness) are / is of this world. Experience (appearance) is of this world. You are not of this world, though by all logic it appears as if you are. (Logic, based on meaning, based on thoughts, which are an appearance). How readily available direct experience is, as thoughts are ‘magically’ appearing & disappearing now as you continue reading and projecting meaning onto a secondary source. “This world” does not have an “other world” to compare it to, because this world in actuality is an appearance. To compare a mirage to a thought of a mirage is to miss the true nature of a mirage. Thought is a mirage. Awareness is the desert of the real. The finite mind, attached already to “it’s” “differences”, refutes the truth that it is only an illusion of the desert. The finite mind can never realize, accept, or comprehend this, because realization, acceptance, and comprehension are illusion within illusion, thoughts within an illusionary “my” “finite mind”. You may not notice, but you create meaning. You are the Creator, and as such you are so good at creating, that even as you read these very words you project that the meaning is ‘coming to you’ from “this other thing”, a screen, a person, a internet. The fundamental belief is that meaning, or anything, is coming from a secondary source, a belief which perpetuates the illusion only in the finite mind not turning within upon itself and discovering it’s actual reality is The One Source That Is. The illusory finite mind believes “it’s” own illusory beliefs, and thus erroneously believes, there really are two. Always is & will always be up to you. The finite mind quite literally makes up fear, uncertainty, self doubt, frustration, blame, anger, hatred, envy, jealousy, insecurity, despair, loneliness, shame, guilt, grief, etc...and experiences the result of it’s own ignorance as stress, tension, worry, contraction, depression, dis-ease, and an overall apparent lack of well being. Well Being is indicative of, is, without condition or exception, the source and only reality of the “finite mind”, which in “it’s” own illusions of it’s own (no one else’s) justifications, rationalizations, and conceptualizations of these experiences of feeling, does not know it is already “it’s own” source. There truly is no “you” which “something other than” “you” could rightfully be said to matter, to. That is only the experience, of “thoughts”. This “mattering” is also referred to as “your” “conditions”. Whatever “you” say matters to “you”, appears to actually matter, to “you”...because “you” are the One, saying it matters, to “you”, and believing whatever that is, that it is, other than you. This is thought attachment, and why meditation is so often recommended. Whenever thought activity settles, the true nature, the already actual source & reality of the finite mind, ‘arises’, and fills the ‘finite mind’ with insight - with “it’s” own true nature. Beliefs are no more than thoughts repeated, which settle in meditation. Identity is no more than beliefs, which settle in meditation. Equally, in exact measure, when the activity of thought, belief, and identity settle, that which they truly are, which is now unfettered by the activity of nonsense, illuminates the finite mind and body and fills ‘it’ with Reality, which is pointed to with the words love, peace, passion, creativity, joy, and happiness. Psychedelics strip away thought activity, beliefs, and identity, revealing the true nature, “the truth”, “reality as it is”, or, nonduality. Beliefs and identity which have not been inspected, are still active (yet properly settled), and believed. Thus the illusion of identity ‘returns’ as the effect of the psychedelic weens. As the beliefs and thus identity ‘returns’, the finite mind claims the experience absorbing it into it’s own illusory identity, by believing the thoughts (appearing now - “memories”) in a hindsight manor, strengthening the illusion of separation, or the idea of not-source, two. More psychedelics, beliefs & identity still unchecked, un-inspected, unresolved, results in more strengthening of the illusion of the reality of the finite mind, increasing the illusory interpretations of experience & separation from the source. Meditation does not involve the experience of a secondary substance ‘ripping away’ belief & identity. Thus in meditation beliefs and identity is surrendered, and along with it, all suffering. This is witness, experienced, with sober clarity as it occurs. Thus, misunderstanding, misinterpretation, and ultimately misidentification are seen, be Clarity, or, the emptiness-fullness, or, the very source of the illusion, and the finite mind is transcended, though upon this transcendence, ‘right view’ and ‘right mind’ have come to stay, in the realization no illusion, and therefore no universe, self, world, nor transcendence actually occurred. Like all things, all substances, all thoughts, non-excluding opinions about meditation & psychedelics, and all else (experience) are clearly not-two, and this “transcendence” never actually occurred, as there is nothing to transcend, sans the appearance of ignorance, of, forgetting your infinitude. This is, you might say, to ‘God’... a Day. That is, “you” “woke up this morning”, is meaning which is dualistic, being believed. It is based on the belief you slept last night. Proper inspection, such as the scrutiny of direct experience vs thought & belief, reveals no direct experience of sleep whatsoever, and “death” is no different. “I woke up this morning” is a meaning contingency upon “I slept”, which is a belief and not a direct experience. Likewise, “dreams” of the finite mind in kind are never directly experienced, but are known in the exact same manor, as a “memory”, a thought appearing now (“when you wake up in the morning”) which is believed to be indicative of “a past”, in this case, “while I slept” - in “hindsight”, of a past, which is only a belief, an actually-now-thought. There is never the remnant of a dream in which you were certain of a “you” in a bed, sleeping & dreaming. To dream, “you” “go to sleep” & thus become the dream. Infinite Being (you) appearing now as Infinite Mind (still you) is exactly the same. But “you” believe it’s a “physical reality”, for lack of properly inspecting a dream, and thus experiencing the greatest of all experiences, the absolute best of “both worlds”, the undeniable fact that you are lucid dreaming, right now. Yet as always, the lucidity is up to you, because this is in fact, your dream. Within, rather than without, is the way. In-ception, rather than con-ception, is the way to lucidity. @ZubPrem This is not a “right” answer, this is a dream. Psychedelics, are dream. Meditation, is dream. But that was a really great question. Thanks!

Maybe not nonduality , but some thing in that direction. Alexander Bard Björn"Natthiko" Lindeblad