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Strannik replied to iboughtleosbooklist's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
OK. I appreciate Leo's poetic undertaking, although I still prefer the masterpieces of classical Advaita like Adavhuta Gita for example. Yet, to me it seems like it' s just mumbo-jumboing ourselves into the "oceanic state of oneness" with no clear explanations of why and how the Mind is dreaming what it is dreaming. Why is God is so smart to compute this dream with extremely mathematical precision down to the dreaming of the behavior of the subatomic particles, and yet it is so dumb to deceive itself to believe in the reality of the dream. Why is this so precisely mathematically designed dream is so full of stupidity, self-deception and suffering? "An illusion perfectly designed to allow you to forget for a second that you are God." - says the poem So why is God so stubbornly trying to fool itself into forgetting itself and identifying itself with figments of its own dream? And not just forget and wonder around in the dream, but suffer in that dream immensely and brutally without any way to stop the suffering? Why, after such realization of Oneness and Love, Leo is still suffering from digestive disorder and cannot stop it? Yeah, you can convince yourself to be masochistic and "love" pain and suffering without any ability to stop it. But would not it be easier to actually stop suffering, and even more, stop this entire insane self-deceptive cosmic dream, and just rest in formless state, or start dreaming something less nonsensical, less self-deceptive, bearing less suffering? God can perfectly know itself and still dream a world where it continues to know itself while playing with and enjoying infinite variety of forms with no suffering and self-deception whatsoever. But no, Infinite God cannot do it, it cannot control its own dream. Why? Leo perfectly answered this: "Somehow it all computes in the vastness of your mind." Exactly - "somehow". God has no clue how it computes its own dream and how to control it. God is indeed Absolute because it is Absolutely helpless and Absolutely clueless. Actually, there is a hypothesis to explain why: when God realized that he is completely alone for the whole eternity, there is nothing to do, nothing "outside" of him, nothing to reach to, noone to talk to, nothing to know, he experienced a psychotic breakdown and, to escape from the infinite and absolute terror of this loneliness and hopelessness, he went insane by starting a dream where he could forget the terror of that realization and by splitting into a vast number of personal perspectives (to escape from the experience of loneliness). He made this dream so that it would be very difficult to get back to that terrifying self-realization. He knew that this dream would entail a lot of suffering, but all that suffering would still be incomparably less that the infinite terror of that self-realization. Then he erased his memories and lost himself into a variety of personalities each believing in their own reality as a separate being. The God's plan for the dream was not to eventually restore the original Oneness, but to actually forever hide and self-deceive away from it. We were not supposed to get "awakened"!. Does it make any sense? -
LfcCharlie4 replied to Razard86's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Rasa & Transmissions from actual awakened teachings + a sort of 1-1 therapy is imo by far the most effective 'method' You wouldn't start playing a sport and try to become a pro without the help of a coach & plenty of other people, yet majority of people do this with spirituality and then wonder why they get so stuck @Razard86 Are you happy? that's the true test of the absolute 'state' although states don't exist, the absolute is everything, its more whether one is aware, the Francis Lucille quote in my bio sums this up perfectly -
LfcCharlie4 replied to iboughtleosbooklist's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
This No Desire stuff is mostly BS imo, to me it seems it conflates the absolute & the relative like a lot of Neo-Advaita does you're desiring every single second or you would literally stop breathing And let's be real, every single human alive has preferences in basically every realm of life, I also don't get why you'd want to change that when it serves a crucial purpose No matter how awakened someone is, I can guarantee they have desires from the second they wake up, to the second they fall asleep, as does every living thing in existence Personally, I think seeing through desire is a part of the path, in seeing that absolute happiness (from the absolute) is perfect as it is, therefore desireless, but it goes full circle on a human level and you could say desire goes through an 'upgrade' or evolves, the best description I have heard of this from a teacher (that also describes the cycle of life) is from the saying- 'Desire for the sake of sharing' meaning you no longer simply desire for the self alone but essentially desire for the Self from a place of love, joy & living in general & as a result become a better human I would say a better test of true awakening is actually how good of a person someone is, of course nobody's perfect, but nobody with an integrated awakening lives like a lot of these 'Gurus' do- Sexual scandals, money issues, just being a prick in general etc A lot of modern Non-Duality seems to deny your humanity & this leads to a myriad of issues down the line, I'm more of the belief, that the highest teaching is one that embodies your humanity down to the last drop -
BlessedLion replied to ardacigin's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Everyone is non dual awakened god realized until you stick them on a cushion for 3 hours with just their thoughts -
@spiritual memes I agree with you on 'I'm more awakened than you' rhetoric. I don't really like it either, and find it frustrating and irritating/ cringe. Regarding the tone, I actually quite like the tone. I think when done well its raw, gritty, provocative and cuts through to listeners. Also, this type of tone reminds me of a lot of RSD instructors, and I think its very effective at resonating with people who feel disenfranchised. I think lighter, more friendly communications style don't really get through as well to those sorts of folks imo.
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@Ulax I'm not complaining about the content of what he teaches, just the style in which he teaches. For example the tone in which he speaks and the way he addresses the audience and the I'm more awakened than anyone else schtick. I think the present style is pushing way too many people away that would have otherwise benefitted a lot.
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Just watched this whole series over the last week. I feel like I got a lot out of it. This is in sequence. Just posting this here to give people a chance to check it out. Do what is right for you! http://channelhigherself.com/videos/satsang-with-the-self/psychology-for-the-awakened-acceptance-and-denial/ http://channelhigherself.com/videos/satsang-with-the-self/psychology-for-the-awakened-–-creating-your-perception/ http://channelhigherself.com/videos/satsang-with-the-self/psychology-for-the-awakened-how-the-mind-works/ http://channelhigherself.com/videos/satsang-with-the-self/psychology-for-the-awakened-emotions-and-chakras-explained/ http://channelhigherself.com/videos/satsang-with-the-self/psychology-for-the-awakened-ego-transcendence-chakra-purification/ http://channelhigherself.com/videos/satsang-with-the-self/psychology-for-the-awakened-acceptance-of-self-breaks-down-suffering/ http://channelhigherself.com/videos/satsang-with-the-self/psychology-for-the-awakened-shame-and-guilt-drives-your-seeking-desires/
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LordFall replied to UpperMaster's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Leo Gura Isn't it possible for an awakened sociopath to be one of the most dangerous people imaginable? If you became nondual but from a place of nihilism instead of love, wouldn't you just be like a GTA character that causes mayhem just for the sake of it? I think it's possible to develop intellectual and perhaps brute-force emotional empathy eventually but you have to make a lot of conscious effort in doing so. Otherwise, the concept of awakening without feeling a deep connection to life sounds like a disaster. -
Life is so vast, that intellect and logic are unable to contain it. Life contains logic and intellect that is part of man. Logic parts life in an attempt to grasp its immensity and in which man feels an existential angst. Science is to know the exterior objective physical world, religion is to know the interior subjective world of man. The subject of which is an abyss to the intellect, for the source of who we are, that is God, is vast. A part can’t contain the whole, but is contained by it. We are in a intellectual abyss for we are trying to grasp an abyss beyond logic and duality (subjective), with an intellect that is logical and dual (objective) Man is lost in translation, the translation of realms and dimensions that he is betwixt. The realm of logic and love. Metaphysics is about that which is beyond physics, beyond the laws of the physical world, for we exist within the spiritual,within God, not without. Logic deduces the whole to its parts. In deduction exists reduction. The part tries to get to the whole that is larger than itself. The physical world follows logic, the other world is beyond logic. Logic is science, what is beyond logic is religious. Science is about the seen world, religion about the unseen. It is not that God is dead, but that we are dead to the world of God. People who sense something beyond the objective materialist world, are correct, but not in their interpretation and application of it to the world of physical laws. They try to impose the metaphysical which is illogical and infinite to the physical which is logical and finite. Both exist, but in their respective realms, within reality. Reality encompasses realms, a certain realm cant encompass and be imposed on reality. To fit the metaphysical onto the physical is the issue, its not that we come from the metaphysical, but out of it. We are not apart from the metaphysical, but in process with it, and yet we try to part ourself from it in order to grasp it with our intellect of which it can only grasp the part and not the whole. To tie this into politics, the far left lean into subjective reality denying the objective, the far right objective reality at the cost of the subjective. The spirit is bifurcated through biology but longs to transmute that to which it is born into, back to its source, unity. The trans movement,whether in biology or humanism appeals to the spirit of man but not in the expression it takes in society. It is a hijacking and misinterpretation of the spiritual instinct to transcend. Man wants to transcend the duality of his biology, not transmix biology. If we are subjects experiencing the objective world, then the question arises who is the subject, who am I? Beasts know not that they are, man knows that he is, but not who he is. An awakened one, a prophet knows who he is. Ordinary man is in limbo between these dimensions. The external world is dual, dialectic, syllogistic, logically a place of cause and effect, thesis and antithesis. The interior world is in its essence synthesised. Synthesis isn’t external but internal, of the spirit that is one. We try to synthesis that essence,externally. Mans trouble is his sense of being between the duality of realms, his juvenile awareness of his oneness amongst the duality. His struggle and angst is in comprehending, translating, and existing between these realms, to be in the world and not of it. To partake in life, without parting himself from it through the means of his intellect, which tries to fragment the tapestry of the life to its parts in an attempt to feel at ease with it. The finite can only hold the finite, the mind makes the infinite finite for its sake. To hold life's essence is to be-hold it. To behold, one must first be. The intellect, a lousy master but a good servant clouds this being. Empty the mind and be to be hold life and be held by the essence that is life, that is to be with the infinite, dis-embodied yet embodied. Logic asks why, love asks why not. Logic reduces life to its part, love raises life to its whole. Logic is the realm of the physical world of cause and effect, love the realm of the spiritual world of union. Logic is causal minded, love is union felt. Logic goes through the part, love through the whole. Logic is linear, life non-linear, circular. Alchemising itself. A straight line, taken to its end will circle the earth back to itself. A line is part of a circle, yet we focus only on the line. Behold, the circle of life.
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For an awakened being, the hardest thing to do, is sleep.
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spiritual memes replied to Eternal Unity's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
since everyone is chatting shit, I'm tier 69 stage glow in the dark sparkly latex purple. This stage is so conscious and awakened it appears to others like I'm mentally retarded. -
Moksha replied to Theplay's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
You know by now that when I say "your true nature" I am referring to God within each avatar that appears to be separate but actually isn't. Of course there is a you, from the ultimate perspective. You are everything and every nothing, and beyond both. The dream is an expression of God, but in different apparent states of awareness. In some avatars it has chosen to realize its true nature, and in others it has not, all within the dream. This awareness exponentially elevates the dream experience. If you have awakened, you know this. The quality of life after awakening, especially as the attachments of the avatar mind begin to dissolve, is joy and serenity that surpass understanding. Yes, it is all within the dream. You are God within the avatar before awakening, and are God within the avatar after awakening. But you are still God within the dream, and you are not yet liberated from the dream. The avatar has no power to perpetuate anything, including the dream. It is all God creating the dream, and within the avatar choosing to see or not to see itself. That choice transforms the dream entirely. -
A Fellow Lighter replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Someone here I'd like to be of assistance, here. But in my responses, bear in mind that I've only realised that (awakened to) Reality is Mind, and haven't yet tapped into that Godhead which is.. what is referred here as Universal Mind. Okay The mechanism of creation is simple, it is self-evident and unveiled. The problem, here, is the common mistake of thinking about the Mind as a faculty/facility, instead of the One Activity of infinity (existence) Think of the Mind as a verb, not a noun. In this way, the mechanism which you seek is the very Mind in question. Look up the verbal definition of the word, it is along the lines of.. care to be conscious of something (anything).. this is the mechanism. Hence sayings like: “Don't mind that.”; “Never mind.”: “Do you mind?”. It's because Mind is an activity, the only activity, it's what the infinity does - to mind or not to mind - that is the question. And this truth can be verified just about anyone, all that is needed is for you to pay enough attention. Just look.. if you don't care about something, will you be conscious of it? There are a lot of things that aren't in your awareness right now, and so often the reason isn't the lack of intelligence, it is simply the lack of concern. The moment you care about a situation is the instant you become conscious of that situation, like, “OMG, I haven't fed my fish, today.” or, “I haven't done my homework.” and typically, “I did not realize my mistake.” But, as I've said, the mechanism of creation is a self-evident truth. Another problem which hinders you from perceiving it is the assumption of an external world - a world outside your Mind (direct experience/reality). Because of this assumption/belief, there is no way that Mind is an absolute because there is that activity which is outside of it, though, there is in fact none. If you can just pay enough attention to your direct POV in this instant, there is no way you could not realise that this is what Mind (verb) looks like. It is precisely this! Lastly, before you can realise Mind, you would have to realise Infinity, otherwise your experience of separation will forever be dominant and continue to hinder your ability to realise Mind, fully. -
Long read ahead..so go make some coffee This question is actually one of the deepest philosophical questions one may think of, and I am not absolutely sure if everyone who provided their answers in this topic fully understands the underlying thought of this question. It is a very intriguing question, and it is very hard to formalize in words. “Why am I me?” is indeed the best possible wording if we try to put it into English, but it still fails to provide an immediate clarity of what this question is about. Let me share with you some of my personal experience around this question first. I do not remember exactly when I asked myself “why am I me?” for the first time in my life, but it definitely was before my 5 or even before my 4. One of my very early memories related to this question was a sudden “discovery” that all adults (including my parents) were blind. Literally! OK, let me explain. I was a very young child (I do not even know what my age was, but I remember myself lying in a baby bed) when my mom came to my bed and started talking to me. And when I looked at her face (specifically paying attention to her eyes), I surprisingly discovered I could not see the world from her location. I cannot explain why, but back then, I expected that presence of someone else’s eyes would have immediately resulted in my ability to perceive the world from their point of view. It may seem ridiculous to you (and to present “me” as well), but at that time I probably failed to fully understand that my perception was only “my” perception .. I expected a somewhat “global shared field of perception” to exist. Of course, I did not (and could not) put this logic into words then, it was merely a vague “feeling”, but I do remember it well. And more and more observations of other adults at that time led me to a conclusion that they just cannot see, their eyes are somewhat “empty”. That funny story was not like directly asking “why am I me?” yet, but it was a kind of a “prerequisite” to it. Much older, when I already possessed a more “adult” understanding of the world (i.e. I already knew other people could see as well, I already knew I had not been always existing , as I initially used to think, I already knew children and adults were just different stages of aging, and not two “fundamentally different sorts of people” as it seemed to me earlier), but still being young enough (no more than in my 4 or 5) this question came to me for the first time. I did not have any wording for it yet - back then I just called it this question for myself. Much later, I found a somewhat suitable verbal form for it ..and it was “Why am I me?” . This question was so strange, so hard to explain, so hopeless to be ever answered, that it made me feel helpless every time I tried to think of it for long enough. It was sometimes even scary to think of it deeply, but at the same time my curiosity made me come back to it again and again. And today ..I'm finally able to find the answer to this question for myself. How ? Well,I noticed a very strange and unexplainable thing (and also it was somewhat frightening): I am “the center” of perception, “the center” of consciousness, “the center” of self-awareness. That was not anyone else but me. It made me feel as I was a very special, a very unique human being on the whole Earth.Why me? How come I was born such an unusual creature, not like anyone else? But on the other hand, I already understood that no one would believe I was special if I dared to tell it to anybody. So, I kept my “discovery” in a deep secret. And, frankly speaking, it did not feel that bad at all to be the unique center of perceptionBut I realized I would probably never find any explanation to that fact - and it was depressing. I am the center of perception in the Universe. At least, it is the way I feel it. Although I know that any other person feels the same, this knowledge comes from my daily practice. I can never be 100% sure that other people are conscious. Theoretically, there is a possibility that all other people are philosophical zombies.they act as if they had consciousness, and even if you ask any of them if that person is conscious, they will undoubtedly say “yes” .but it does not prove they are conscious .. they can be “programmed” this way. Of course, it is merely a theoretical possibility, but it cannot be scientifically disproven. As to myself, I am fully aware that I am conscious and not a philosophical zombie. Then a few months ago ..I stumbled upon Leo's solipsism video ..and since then my whole life changed and there is no going back . I awakened to what Leo calls "Absolute Solipsism " I can go even further then the classical concept of solipsism, and I can also deny time .which seems logical (later you will see why). Time is also an illusion produced by my mind and specifically by my memory. It is not possible to prove that the past existed . everything may have appeared just now, with the current state of my memory which cheats me. And it is not possible to prove the future will exist for the same reason .I know about the future based on my previous experience. But if all my previous experience is nothing more than a trick of my mind, then it is very likely there will be no future (as there was no past). All that exists is my mind at the present moment. Period. And so now I'm satisfied with my conclusions. I'm finally at peace of knowing why am I me. Because I'm God. The only being in the universe.
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Moksha replied to Theplay's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
It seems silly now that you have awakened to no-self Tomorrow, in 10 years, or maybe not in the lifetime of this avatar, it could seem similarly silly to claim it is impossible to realize whether or not the cosmos is ultimately real. You never know what is around the next corner of the dream. The key is to stay open, and prepare yourself, for deeper realizations that your ultimate Self is willing to see within your avatar. The profound difference between direct realization and conceptualization is that truth is no longer up for debate. It is beyond ideas and what seems to be, as you must have seen when you directly realized no-self. You are still bound by the dream, as all of us are. Self is more lucid in some avatars than in others, but it is still within the dream. Realizing ultimate reality is awe-inspiring, but afterwards you still get to chop wood and carry water. Done lucidly, even mundane tasks take on a quality that is unimaginable to avatars within whom the Self still patiently waits to realize itself. -
Guided Exercises For Understanding Infinite Consciousness **From comment section, by Vivek Chavan Exercise: Blow open all the limitations on Consciousness: - Imagine all the English language that you know and have used - Imagine the entire domain of English. All literature, all conversations ever, all meanings, all expressions that can ever exist, all at once: A glowing white infinite dot - The Universe has already mastered all of it before even the language existed - We can learn and know English because the Universe knew it first - Expand the white singularity to include every language possible: The Universe knows all that. Perfectly and imperfectly as it wishes! - How is it possible? ○ English is knowable since we can learn it ○ The leap: If the Universe can know one word, it can know it all. Nothing is limiting It ○ All limitations of the Universe are Self-Imposed and are consciously chosen Consciousness = Infinite Imagination - Infinite domains (fields of mastery) - Infinitely nested domains - Movies: ○ Imagine every movie that has ever been made and that could ever be made ○ E.g.: An infinite permutations and combinations exist for how Star Wars could be written and filmed ○ Lump all of the human cinematic art into a singularity, which is composed of infinite smaller singularities - Music: Its own singularity - Videogames: A singularity - Inventions: All of them lumped into a singularity - Software: A singularity - Vehicles: A singularity, also composed of smaller singularities which are all infinite. So we can infinitely zoom in or out as we want - Chess games < Board games < All games and so on - Food - Jokes - File names - Every possible living being - All possible diseases that any living being can have - Cities - Keep lumping all fields together into growing singularities… - Art - All possible orgasms - All possible emotions - All physical laws - All possible thoughts/ideas - Every possible self that can exist in Reality (like me!) - Imagine all possibility spaces, including all impossibilities That is the real Universe/Reality/God = Infinite Mind = Absolute Infinity Infinite Selves: - Feel that my "self" is being held in consciousness ○ Personal story ○ History ○ Emotions ○ Thoughts, desires, fears, etc. - Mom, Dad, etc. have their own selves - The self is fluid and is always morphing - Imagine stop being myself and switching to being my mother - Now switch to being Leo. Now switch to Donald Trump - All these bubbles are imagined by Universal Mind and It can imagine them all simultaneously - Imagined self = Survival for human life (serious business) - Switching = Death of the small self - The infinite SELF is comprised of an infinite individual selves Is there an end to the Infinity? - No - Absolute Infinity cannot have a boundary/limit - Infinity of all possibilities and impossibilities. All paradoxes. - Everything and Nothing, all together - Reality = Nothing = Everything = God - Ta-Da!! Keep contemplating! States of Consciousness: - There are only states of consciousness - Enlightenment isn't separate from it - Some states are very conscious, mystical, and rarefied - Some others are quite ignorant and dumb - Infinite states exist - Millions of Awakened states of consciousness exist - Certain states are better for survival - Certain other states are better for Self-actualization - Things like food, thoughts, what we watch impacts our state - Difficulty awakening = Your State is wrong - Psychedelics are very relevant to awakening and experiencing different states - Awakening is a state, and there are an infinite number of these states - Put yourself into more resourceful states, which makes awakening easier - Don't go around chasing states of temporary pleasure - Negative experiences and states can be good teachers - Upgrade your baseline state and raise it. Peak experiences help, but will not be permanent For one week: - Notice how all objects are held in consciousness Psychedelics: - Use this episode as a guide for the trip Be responsible
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Razard86 replied to Razard86's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I'm glad you get it. Yes its all ego games. Nothing to heal, nothing to attain, all is actually one and the same appearing through different forms of expression to be different. Once this is realized fully, then you are truly awakened. Its actually quite obvious when realized, and you see that all stories and interpretations are just dream. But also you realize....YOU WANT TO DREAM. You only wanted to awaken because the dream was a nightmare. Then you realize that a nightmare or great dream are one and the same. Now the ego has been exposed for what it is, a mechanism to have a life as a separate individual. A mechanism to experience the illusion of free will, a mechanism to experience the illusion of duality, all to explore consciousness. -
Javfly33 replied to Razard86's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The funny part comes when you do that trip where it is revealed that "introspection" was B.S., because there is no ego that can't be healed or introspected (it construct itself and re-arranges its own patterns in each second that Awareness it's not activated-Awake enough, that's why only a daily constant high state of Awareness its the only solution for an Awakened life far from the ego). So yeah, very 'fun' part when you realize the previous 10 LSD excruciatingly tired and emotionally draining trips (but fun, too, I will give you that) were a waste of time. (Again, not really a waste of time in the sense of exploration and having fun, but mostly on the therapeutic-growing side of it) -
I've been researching about dhyanalinga, from what I understand is an energy form, with all the the chakras working at maximum capacity, and if you meditate in its proximity you can reap incredible benefits in your spiritual journey. It would be like meditating in front of Shiva or someone completely awakened. Anyone here has visited the ashram and tried to meditate in front of the dhyanalinga? I'm especially curious to hear feedback from experienced practitioner of Kriya Yoga. In the future I'm planning to visit the ashram.
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Moksha replied to Theplay's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Before you awakened to no-self, what would you have said if you were told that you are not ultimately real? Perhaps something like the above, replacing "space and time" with "I". Is it possible that others have directly realized the cosmos is not ultimately real? In both cases, the realizations of others are irrelevant to your own realization. But you might consider whether a similar direct realization about the cosmos is possible, regardless of whether Consciousness has realized it yet within you. Not a bad translation, it has a deeper meaning than the words seem to indicate, similar to Christian teachings. You keep referring to ultimate reality, which is fine, but do you acknowledge that as Consciousness you are still within the avatar in your dream? If so, does lucid dreaming affect the quality of the dream, compared to unconscious dreaming? -
What's your opinion on the idea that vanilla - normal sex causes separation and ego consciousness? If I'm honest, the usual sex human do it's based on separation and differences. For a guy or a woman to get horny some kind of comparison and value proyection must happen on their brain, which means this are low energy states of vibrancy. In my opinion, you can't live an awakened life if you are not having sex that is anchored in non duality and Love. I get that normal sex can be fun, but know ones pay it's price for this separation and comparison ideas. If it might get you horny and give you pleasure, but fundamentally produces unconsciousness and suffering in reality.
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State Of Consciousness Is Everything State of consciousness is everything: Reality consists of one thing, consciousness, and this consciousness takes different states. No object can exist outside of consciousness. All physical objects exist within consciousness and are part of whatever state of consciousness you're in. No matter what you're experiencing, you're in some state of consciousness, always. How many states of consciousness are there? Dreaming. Waking life. Being drunk or high on a drug. Sleepy or dead tired. Sickness, cold, flu. Emotions: anger, rage, sadness, depression, heartbreak. Sexual excitement. There aren't clear boundaries between these states, consciousness is fluid. > Categories are human projections, there's Infinite number of states of consciousness! A state of consciousness is composed of figments of consciousness, as in figments of imagination. Reality is made out of figments of consciousness, which make up different states. The state determines how the figments combine together and flow. Figments of consciousness examples: Snickers candy bar > Not made of atoms, energy, not neurons, or computer simulation, but a figment within consciousness. > When dreaming at night, the building block of a dream isn't atoms, but the different figments of your mind: > People, places, and occurrences within the dream. Think of reality as a dream machine. In such a machine you don't need atoms, energy, or mathematics, all you need is the actual elements of the thing you're dreaming. (Snickers candy bar, human body, table, grocery store aisle, money) A movie director isn't thinking in terms of atoms but in terms of elements needed in the movie. Yellow rubber duckie What it means to say that something exists is to say that consciousness is imagining a yellow rubber duckie. It is held by consciousness. Consciousness is not inside a physical universe. The physical universe is inside of consciousness, as a figment of consciousness. Look around and notice that you have an idea of the physical universe This present moment is also a figment of consciousness. The smell of a skunk, A gallon of gasoline Braces on a child's teeth A used condom An axe to the skull 1.29843 bitcoin in a bitcoin wallet Albert Einstein, every person, including Leo > Homosapiens, mammals, planets, cells, organs, molecules, DNA, proteins, and atoms, are all figments that consciousness has woven together to create the larger figment called Albert Einstein. (Not your idea of Albert Einstein, but the actual Albert Einstein your idea is pointing to.) Materialistic paradigm is the idea that reality is built from the bottom up. (The assumption that reality is built out of smaller elements which is can be reduced to) Consciousness works top down, not bottom up. Consciousness can just imagine Albert Einstein. Consider the paradigm shift that there wasn't a Big Bang leading to a snickers candy bar. Reality can simply spawn a snickers candy bar from scratch as a figment of consciousness. The Big Bang, molecules, and how the bar was created is conceptual and not direct experience. Scientist's paradigm is backwards. Discover this for yourself by observing direct experience. Lego pirate ship Racist tweet by Donald Trump An Up quark Teen selling drugs on the sidewalk in a bad neighborhood Darth Vader The game world of Skyrim The entire Christian faith and mythos Christian hell with fire and pitchforks An Atheist arguing that God does not exist A role of soft Charmin toilet paper The entire history of America Intel i9 12th generation CPU A swamp in Louisiana Ancient Egyptian God Osiris Archangel Michael Tesla Model S being assembled in a factory The entire state of California The actual city of New York as it was in the year 1950 > You can infinitely subdivide any figment of consciousness into an infinite number of sub-figments of consciousness. > To create finer resolution figments to fill in the details like a fractal zoom. > You can keep imagining further figments forever = Infinite consciousness The pacific ocean A melting ice cream cone in a child's hand A mosquito bite The concept of hierarchy or capitalism The category of insect Disney Land 5-Meo-DMT A memory of you going to grade school and learning the multiplication tables A helicopter A stomach ache A pina colada The feeling of intense anger A sexist joke No one figment is more fundamental than any other figment, therefore, you can't say that reality is made out of certain kinds of consciousness. Reality is as much made out of a pina colada, as it is a sexist joke, as it is Disney land, as it is a helicopter. Why are atoms, quarks, energy, and mathematics any less preposterous than a sexist joke, or a pina colada? > Substrate is relative this frees your mind up and turns it Infinite. One substrate isn't more fundamental than any other. If reality has the power to create an electron, it has the power to create a pina colada. Both are figments of consciousness. Now think of your entire life as a whole. That too, is a figment of consciousness. Woven together out of strands of sub-figments of consciousness. The grade school memory is one strand of the larger yarn that is your whole life, Being born in this city, country, date, is a figment of consciousness. And when you say you're going to die on your deathbed, is also a figment of consciousness. Even your nightly dreams are figments of consciousness. Try to grasp experientially what a figment of consciousness is: (Either while you're meditating. Right now. Or on a psychedelic.) Try to grasp that all the material objects around you are figments of consciousness. Hold your phone in your hand and try to get that it isn't a material object made out of atoms. That phone is a figment of consciousness, YOUR consciousness. It's qualitative and whole, a chunk of consciousness. It's not built from the bottom up, It's dreamed up from the top down! Consciousness is unbounded: Figments of consciousness have no size, no shape, no bounds, and no ground. There are no limits, it can be as tiny as an ant, or as large as the entire galaxy. It makes no difference because consciousness is infinite in all directions, it's scale invariant. The way you get a sense of scale is by comparing one figment of consciousness to another figment of consciousness. An additional assumption of materialism is that reality is concrete. One thing vs another thing. But Reality is not limited to that, it can be abstract and vague. Concreteness is a bias. Consciousness is Infinity The sum total of every possible figment of consciousness. = Nothing Consciousness/Reality is unlimited and holistic. It can weave together any figments it wants to create a cohesive "life" or "state". It happens top down not bottom up, therefore it's irreducible. Why does reality feel so real? Your sense of physical reality and sanity are intertwined. Physical reality is how you define sanity. Your whole life is about surviving within the dream that you're dreaming, And anything that shakes its foundations terrifies you. All that mental illness and insanity are is a loose state of consciousness Material physical reality is just a very coherent well woven together collection of figments of consciousness. Everything is absolute reality: States and Figments of consciousness are not merely personal experiences, happening inside of a brain, a body, a physical universe or a computer. Figments of consciousness are absolute. Red is absolutely red. Mickey mouse is absolutely mickey mouse. It's self-identical. Everything is absolute reality. Brain is a figment of consciousness Physical universe is a figment of consciousness Atoms are a figment of consciousness Science is a figment of consciousness History is a figment of consciousness Computation is a figment of consciousness You're trying to use all of these and more figments of consciousness to somehow ground the absolute and relativize it. Trying to turn it into a field of perceptions that you, a biological creature who's made out of matter sitting on a planet earth is having situated somewhere in history of the universe. To awaken cut all of these figments, which are tightly woven together. Like a sweater knitted out of one yarn. Untangle the whole sweater to realize it's just one piece of yarn. Reality = Mind A mind unlike material is fluid and can work holistically top down Material has to be made out of simple elements and has to work bottom-up -> material can't be intelligent Mind can have sentience and intelligence (materialism vs idealism) Infinite intelligence can dumb itself down infinitely low into a door knob. The dumbness of material objects is an illusion. Mind is also capable of comprehension, a material system isn't. Mind is absolute Mind is creative Mind has will Think of reality as an infinite field of pixels all communicating with each other and coordinating intelligently from the top down. You're inside of an infinite resolution field of consciousness. Your hand is a figment of consciousness "Dial/switch of awakening" leads to remembrance and forgetfulness. In this state of consciousness, the dial of forgetfulness is all the way up. You've forgotten how you literally constructed the planet earth! Flip the switch and you remember how you constructed planet earth. Consciousness has the ability to hide things from itself at will. You can remember how you imagined and created your own birth. Thinking, modeling, and conceptualizing cannot substitute for states of consciousness. These things only make sense from very high states of consciousness. All of that is only relative to a certain state of consciousness. It requires going meta on that frame (the material state.) Imagine what a million IQ Mind could think. You can access this intelligence, this multidimensional way of "hyper-thinking" Here shutting off the mind is no longer the goal. Some states of consciousness can't even be remembered or explained to oneself from this base state. Like taking an HD 4k image and compressing it down into a 6x6 pixel image. It's a lack of bandwidth problem. Spiritual work opens up that bandwidth. Your current state of consciousness completely determines the parameters of your experience. What you're able to think, communicate, understand, How you emote, how you feel. What you think is right and wrong, sane or insane, logical or irrational, possible or impossible. And you cannot imagine or think beyond the state of consciousness you're in right now without expanding it. It can contract too. You cannot avoid being in some state of consciousness. States have trade-offs and pros and cons In some states you can't even read a book, talk, walk, think, or see a material world. (like a finite cup of water) This is why humans have a relatively low state of consciousness. Impossibility is a function of your state of consciousness. And at the highest state of consciousness, there's infinite possibility! It's God mode. Two kinds of changing your state of consciousness: Temporary state change Permanent change to the baseline state Both have their utility, not one or the other! Changing your state of consciousness is the nr 1 most significant change you can make in life. Science, rationality, skepticism, thinking, and physicality, exist only in certain states of consciousness: Birth and death only exist in certain states of consciousness Modern science itself is a state of consciousness! There's no best or invalid state of consciousness. If your desire is to understand the entire universe, higher states are better. If you desire to do normal human stuff while maintaining sanity, high states are bad for you. Spirituality basically boils down to changing your state of consciousness. Without it that turns into religion. Most people have never experienced a high mystical state of consciousness. This is why there's so much confusion about religion and the nature of reality. We're living in the dark ages. Changing your state of consciousness can be scary, threatening, and dangerous. It pulls the rug out from under you, dematerializes reality, and can feel like insanity. Can also be very isolating and lonely, it feels like nobody understands you. At the highest level, there ceases to be an "other" whom you could validate these ideas against because it all boils down to your own consciousness. Methods: Meditation, concentration, vipassana, do nothing technique, being present, contemplation combined with intense concentration, kriya yoga, chanting and mantras as a serious concentration practice, shamanic breathing, psychedelics, herbs, drugs, visualization, prayer, shaktipat, dark room retreats, astral projection, lucid dreaming, vision quests, extreme suffering, danger and pain, being out in nature, radical experiences like travel or adventure. The function of psychedelics is to show how consciousness changes and how fluid it is. State of consciousness determines what you can do. Mystics can do impossible seeming stuff: paranormal abilities, like clairvoyance and telepathy. What is God? The highest state of consciousness. But God is only self-aware of itself as God from certain high awakened states of consciousness. Even though all states are God, not all states are aware that they are God. Enlightenment is a state of consciousness: It could be a temporary or a permanent state, but it is a state. There's not a single awakened state, there are hundreds of them. Not an on-off switch but a volume knob. There are omniscient states of consciousness from which you can be conscious how you created all of reality and how you created your life. Why do humans disagree with each other so much about reality, seemingly believing crazy things? They're in different states of consciousness But what is consciousness? It's impossible to say because it's Infinite, unbounded, Absolute, more fundamental than language, and beyond your current state of consciousness. Where did consciousness come from? "Where" and "coming from" are figments of consciousness, it's eternal and always existed. "Time" is another figment of consciousness. Is God a figment of consciousness? God IS consciousness. God is all possible figments. God is meta. God is You. You are consciousness dreaming up various figments. One of which is the biographical, biological human self that's born and going to die. Safety mechanism: doublecheck everything for yourself, it's a messy process
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Well,that argument assumes Alan Watts was 'deeply' awakened which I would personally not suggest. Second of all, understanding the depth of no self goes all the way from stream entry to Salvia levels of understanding and then also beyond that as well. Further stages of awakening also requires emotional and samatha levels of mastery over the mind. I dont remember Alan Watts teaching or practicing jhanas or higher levels of emotional training. I wouldn't dismiss that Alan Watts had a certain depth of awakening. But as a 'depressed alcoholic', I wouldnt assume he has enough wisdom to work through those habitual forces. Also he might have been stuck in a 'dark night' sort of episode for years and not go further with spirituality. We simply dont know enough to make an assesment. Thats why I said emotional problems are deep and requires not only some degree of awakening + samatha vipassana mastery over the mind to permanently eliminate its source. After all, depression is a form psychological suffering produced by the mind. If Alan Watts was as awakened and wise as people make him out to be, he'd have enough introspective awareness and equanimity to not only work on his depression but also his alcohol addiction. Alan Watts is certainly a charismatic and wise teacher but that doesnt mean we should assume exactly what he is conscious of.
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Rafael Thundercat replied to Onecirrus's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
There is a Guy Called Chris Bale with a Podcast called Awakened Intent. Very powerfull takes on intimacy and masculinity. But as we all know, some people are unable to have admiration for guys like Bale, Calm, Stable, Direct, Clear. Birds of the same feather flock together. -
Eternal Unity replied to Vladimir's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Vladimir Nice work for getting awakened, hope to join you soon! I haven't read all 17 pages (at the moment) of posts in this thread, so I don't know if it had been asked or not. I am interested in the concept of Prophecy. Is it real? Is it possible to predict the future? Are there degrees, so as higher your concsiousness is, you predict more accurately? and what about the ancient prophets, were they awake? partialy awake? Thanks, Greg.