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Hello my furry friends, I'm soon to be moving in a new direction with my life and leaving my old career behind to start a new journey in health / life coaching. I kept thinking to myself it's okay to get experience and build this new identity as a coach, because I can always move into the realm of spiritual coaching which would be rewarding to help raise people's consciousness. ...But this thought/feeling keeps visiting me. Am i just delaying the inevitable and fucking around? Playing into the illusion and avoiding the REAL work? Building a new self identity, new beliefs and new paradigm, and adding to, instead of dissolving self? It sure seems like the slow lane, or perhaps the sidewalk. I mean...there's no, "oh i'll just keep that little part of my self that I like, the coach part". I'll never stop this journey now, i'm balls deep, but my gut tells me if I REALLY, REALLY want the Truth, permanently, i'd should consider going ALL IN. It's only Fear that's stopping me after all... But then there are BILLS TO PAY, oh yes those oh so important bills. The message I'm getting is that life can't start until you dissolve self, so isn't the best tactical plan to make enlightenment the first priority, get that out of the way, no longer be a self, then see what is in store for me then? For those who have traveled this path for many years whilst building careers & life purpose, having families, being social and all that, do you feel like you are TRULY effectively dissolving your identity ? Will "life" pass me in the end without Liberation because I took the sidewalk instead of the fast lane? I FEEL SO CONFUSED. - General Nothingness <3

The highest level of consciousness i ever achieved so far was all about self and no others. In this omniscient state it felt like i was talking to myself that was operating within me but also outside of me. How it works is because you choose to seperate yourself and be your own god in your house it cant interfere, but when you use the tools that you imagined for yourself you can access holy spirit/unity consciousness which is aware of everything all at once. Unity consciousness isnt dead or alive it's nothingness, you're nothingness imagining things. What unity consciousness doesnt understand is how creativity=god came to be out of nothingness when it knows that its nothingness itself.

Yes, my procrastination tells me that I don´t really care about my goals, I don´t care about anything, relative things exhaust me so much. I just want absolute freedom, I want nothingness, no more hindrances. But for the other part I feel that is not correct to abandomn the world and I have to upgrade my characater...

Its one of the most beautiful Truth that there could be. Off course it is this way. Thats what it means to be God. Oneness, Love, Infinity, Nothingness. Total Peace. But really apprieciate the design. You get to experience what it is like to be this seperated being. Look at the fucking world. Its big, grand, full of life, full of beauty. Sorrow and joy.

I have read several books on spirituality and enlightenment and I have also been meditating seriously for the past three years and have had a few unitive experiences. And in my experience all of these labels are essentially pointing to the same thing. However I would like the perspectives of others on this topic in order to gain a more integral understanding of this as I have much to learn.

in real life. someone you can watch in the eyes and know fully, this is me, this is god .. and feeling fully, without a need for expression or talk, all this infinite love crashing into one another. understanding the total relativity of both experience, the cessation of judgement, the cessation of time and the pure seeing of the divinity. Just two dreams of nothingness recognizing the nothingness in each others & only deep tears of sincere joy come from the total realization of an infinite nothing merging into one. Have you felt those moment of pure egolessness with someone before ? would you like to have one ?

Here is a simple way to put it: First, let us get a basic sense of the nature of infinity. To do that, we will group some human forms of existence/experience into 5 main categories or dimensions: Vision (colors, shapes) Sound Feeling (bodily sensations) Emotion Concept Now, this is all a bit simplified, but notice the difference in ontology between all of these dimensions of existence. They make up everything you have ever experienced. Your entire conception and sense of reality is some mixture of these 5 dimensions. Those are 5 dimensions of existence. Each one is utterly foreign to the other. If you never saw vision, you could not possibly conceive of it using any combination of the 4 other dimensions. Infinity contains Infinite of such dimensions. Not 100s, not 1000s, not millions. Infinite dimensions of existence. Infinitely varied substances of being, each as radically foreign from the other as sound is from vision, or feeling is from concept. Within every dimension exist potentially infinite forms. Let's group colors into main groups: Red, Blue, Yellow, Red, Green, Magenta, White, Black and consider every other color a transition between those groups. The transitions between those groups make up Infinite colors. Yet, there are not only infinite colors between each group, there are infinite more groups of colors, that you, as a human being, will never ever get to experience. Infinite, infinite, infinite. When you transition from particularized existence into the Infinite, you can experience an Absolute Form of each form of existence that makes up your particularized mind. Technically, the Infinite itself can experience all forms, of all dimensions of existence, but the particular mind that is Leo, that has memories, that has understanding, will not even register that. It is not capable of registering it, because of it's particularized form of existence. It would not particularize as a functional memory, all you could carry away from the Infinite would be the imprint the experience made on your mind. But of course, you will be biased to experience very human fascets of existence. You will experience mainly within the dimensions above, and some other dimensions of human experience I have not mentioned above (there are things like spacial and temporal perception, and dozens of other kind of dimensions, some for which we do not even have language for). For example, awe. Awe, of course is an Absolute within the Infinite. As a form of existence, within what we categorized as the dimension of Emotion, it exist as an ontological substance, in and of itself, in the Infinite of the Absolute. And immersion in the Infinite will naturally amplify the feelings experienced during a given "trip to the infinite". The reason why people only talk about the good fascets of the Infinite, is because people avoid doing "bad trips", and they have all kinds of egoic reasoning for why they dismiss such trips. Very rarely does a person sit down and is willing to experience Infinite Horror, Infinite Dread and so forth, the resistance is too simply too high. I mean, the huberis, the utter arrogance of assuming that your utterly human mind is somehow the measure of all existence, it should be utterly laughable to you. That's one Infinitely small part of Infinity. Of course you are experiencing and focusing of these aspects of the Infinite because your particular mind is designed to experience them. And yes, you can find them all reflected in Infinity, of course you can, that's what Infinity is. But much like you lack the particularized experience of Infinite Dimensions and Forms of Existence during your trips, another creature will lack the experience of Awe during their trip. What should be obvious is that, your trip is not merely about getting to the Divine. If that was what it was about, you can just kill yourself and be done with it. God would have never bothered with all this multiverse evolution nonsense. What your trip is fundamentally about is a unique experience of the relationship between your particularized form as Leo, and the Divine. That relationship is the whole fucking point of all of this, lol. So no, not all beings will experience awe when they relate to the Divine. There is an Infinite variety in the relationship with the Divine that can be had. Infinite, Infinite, Infinite. You're one little speck of nothingness. A speck that is blind to it's own corruption. And to be fair, if what I say does not help you see, you must remain in your blindness. There is no point in pretending your are less corrupted than you actually are.

@Inliytened1 you are giving your authority away to a belief that "nothingness" matter more than the rest. you are giving away your authority to belief in "nothing matter" and all this crap. no the reality is that some people here are wasting their unique life to feedback on their non senses to feel at ease having useless life. the epitome of nihilism, so few will of power that your only way is to carve for you the ultimate pathetic belief system to cover yourself with soothing lies that if introspected will be seen for what they are , belief in brainwash buddhist whacko meme.

Here's another interesting take. What color are angels? Usually bright white. What do their symbolize? God's glory, light, love, holyness, blessingness etc. Where do they come from? From above, from the heavens. So basicly this white brilliant light that comes from god passes through us, blessing us, healing us, supporting us, guiding us as we are in communication with god through prayer or our heart chakra. That's basicly christianity. .... Here's the final interesting take What is the color of nothingness? Almost everybody would say black. What does black symbolize? Often it symbolizes death, void, nothingness. Where did creation start from? It started from nothingness, void, primordial womb of energy. Basicly this is buddhism. A primordial energy of existence. Zen silence cultivation. Primordial self realization. .... Summary. We have different energies in existence. We have bright white heavenly energies of light, glory and love. (Christianity) We have primordial black color force is exitence where everything comes from. Nothingness. ( buddhism, dhyanalinga, zen) We have red sexual kundalini energy (tantra, satanism, kali, occult, sorcery) Maybe there's more even. I know mantak chia is obssesed with violet light for some reason. As one of the quotes from sadhguru goes. "Creation is one light breaking into different colors like a rainbow, that's what different religions stand for."

@Phil777 put yourself in the situation that things are not real but imaginary. children are imaginary, and rapes. they are mental constructions in the nothingness to experience possibilities of existence. Do you understand then that all constructions are qualitatively the same? they are love for being Leaving nothing aside, all that can be is, since as God, the reality, you love to be, you love it with everything

Today, while doing my Kriya, I went deep and realized that awareness is what the body does, it's a part of the body. And after that realization a gap between the body + mind + awareness opened up and I detached from all of that and, for a short period, went to this deep Nothingness Void. It's like pure Being, IS'ness without any substance sort to say. That experience was very disturbing for the mind. Like super disturbing to realize what am I. So my question is - Is this the final "I" or does it go deeper?

@Leo Gura Is there more? I definetely experienced God-Realization fairly often. Nothingness Void was a first. In my experience it was way harder and trickier to break through the Nothingness than God-Realization.

@Leo Gura and others these are not profound epiphanies I had during doing acid,shrooms, watching spiritual videos, contemplating,etc. 1)Time is an illusion. The now is eternal. 2) we are all God with multiple personality disorders. 3) the material world is layers upon layers over nothingness. 4) Life is a dream. By dream I don't mean the Wikipedia definition of a dream. It is the absolute dream and reality at the same time hence the duality collapses. 5) My body is a segment of the universe but I am the entire universe. The distinction between self and other things collapses. 6) The self is an illusion. What you identify as creates all of your suffering. Things I am yet to learn: 1) I still don't understand how birth and death is imaginary. 2) I still don't know how is every moment eternal. 3) still haven't experienced infinite love. 4) yet to achieve full ego death. 5) What is the point of life 6) Why can't I get what I want if I'm God and creating my own reality.

I experienced the void and the great nothingness it represented. It was an annihilating experience. There was a feeling of loneliness which was unimaginable. That is what it is like if there is no creation - the most utterly dismal sense of being alone. Also stillness. Life however, is not still and, therefore, there is life. That is why there is creation for there to be more than nothingness. Ii also dawned on me that we too create life for ourselves. It is not the material things but the love and relationships we create that give our life meaning. That is all there is and that is our way to create a life of joy.. While these relationships exist, we can escape the void and being alone. So, there are individual souls each creating life in myriad forms. Through creation, God fills the void.

None .I have contacted publishers and bookstore owners. People with phd in philosophy can't help me publish my book. I refuse the academic route .i don't want to become a philosophy Professor in a university. I want to become an Independent thinker. to have a graduate level knowledge of philosophy (and probably any subject), you will need to do a lot of reading in the secondary literature of philosophy, which is mostly professional philosophy journals that discuss the specific problems, interpretations, and analysis of the famous philosophical texts. It can be downright boring. But I decided to take the red pill and read dozens of highly complicated philosophy texts from the most genius philosophers ever. I would just read the philosophers themselves. here are the texts that still resonate with me years after reading and reflecting upon them: -Plato. The Republic -Aristotle. Nichomachean Ethics and The Politics (They’re really part of the same work.) -Marcus Aurelius. Meditations. -Augustine. Confessions. -Descartes. Meditations on First Philosophy. -Pascal. Pensees. -David Hume. Inquiry Concerning Human Understanding. -Spinoza. Ethics. -Kant. Critique of Pure Reason. Critique of Practical Reason. Critique of Judgement. -Hegel. Philosophy of Right. -Kierkegaard. Fear and Trembling and The Sickness Unto Death. -Nietzsche. The Genealogy of Morals. Beyond Good and Evil. Thus Spoke Zarathustra. -Ludwig Wittgenstein. Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus. -Martin Heidegger. Being and Time. -Jean Paul Sartre. Being and Nothingness. -Emmanual Levinas. Totality and Infinity. -Simone DeBeauvoir. The Second Sex. -Luce Irigaray. Speculum of the Other : Woman. -Michel Foucault. Discipline and Punish. History of Sexuality. I read ALL that . Word by word . And again I'm starting from zero . I want to be creative . Most people who are Interested in philosophy go the academic route .but that's not what I'm aspiring to . I want to become a worldwide well known philosopher . Not just a dude with A phd in philosophy and teaches the history of philosophy (which is not real philosophy, but that's how its done in academia ).

What if some religions are better than others? What kind of higher power? I like the statement that all religions are mental dependancy. We could read and study them all like literature of various countries, although I would have a hard time trying out a prayer in Arabic, or maybe not. Can I be an agnostic, cause I don't want to be an atheist? I know that there must be some kind of intelligent being that has everything it needs to create a world like this. But I don't want to worship it. I'm not sure I can accept it fully, cause if it is responsible for all creation, there are some things I'd tell it I wish it never created. How can you trust such a higher power? Maybe you mean to believe in a higher power but not know what or who it is and so not get affiliated with any religion I guess. But why meditate if you're not a Hindu or Buddhist? Etc. And certainly not Buddhism, okay. What about psychonautism? Religion of psychonauts? Where are their temples? They should have at least two.? I guess their temple would be something like a forest or camp for retreats. But it would be nice to build an awesome looking temple and make this a famous religion around the world if that is how you get to know God. This makes no sense to me either. Yeah, God is one, but it can have children, right? We are like little baby Gods that cannot die and get reincarnated over time... I don't believe in this, just saying. This is absurd. But you know, since there is nothing outside God, inside him,I don't know. It's hard ro believe that this moment with all its contents has always existed and just keeps on repeating itself and popping back into awareness, stored in some Godlike space or nothingness which is everything that exists and ever existed. What a weird thing this home is, this plant is and that tree is. Makes no sense. Call it God, a tiny part of God, it still makes no sense. How do you experience the whole thing? It appears God is just anything and everything that ever was, will be or could be. But why care about God and worship him through Quran and a Moswue if he's just everything? I guess there is some wisdom behind it.

“There is, mendicants, that dimension where there is no earth, no water, no fire, no wind; no dimension of infinite space, no dimension of infinite consciousness, no dimension of nothingness, no dimension of neither perception nor non-perception; no this world, no other world, no moon or sun. There, mendicants, I say there is no coming or going or remaining or passing away or reappearing. It is not established, does not proceed, and has no support. Just this is the end of suffering.” - Paṭhamanibbānapaṭisaṁyuttasutta The Buddha specifically wrote it like this as he describes the 4 higher Jhanas in this sutra are not quite what he wanted people to realize, as refined and profound experiences of consciousness as they may be - many people here have experienced through psychedelics what you call infinite and nothingness, but that's not it. We might think 'I have experienced enlightenment/infinity' but coming to realize enlightenment itself is not dependent on any condition itself, we see we are just falling in and out in an experience, a momentary lapse or expansion in the sense of I. It strikes me over and over and over why the Buddha said to solely focus on ending suffering and to give up on metaphysical pondering or to the 'highest realization' which is promoted so heavily here. What is it we are really seeking? is it that direct knowing, not a thought nor a concept, not a belief nor a cognization of experience, but it is just that to be in the world of form but to remain empty and to be empty as to be all form. Because as two people share a concept of God-realization as the ultimate Truth, for both of those people it's not the Truth. It is not the knowing of now, it is the recollection of memory. Which is the whole spiritual progress, the whole burning of karma, either you explode your individuality through devotion or you empty yourself entirely through awareness, those are two ways we can do it. And it is some serious fucking work involved, stepping into the depths of what is binding us to these bodies is not for everyone. After spending 3 months in a forest thai monastery, I came to a serious confrontation about how much shit the mind has accumulated through getting identified, spiritual growth must be at the forefront, it must be absolutely soaked into the core of what we are - to strive for growth, to try our best moment to moment. Love you guys

Hi, maybe I'm not the first to have the idea but its worth a try. I wanted to start a thread where we share our enlightenment experiences with each other in order to learn and just for curiosity sake My experiences listed by chronological order: 1. I was sitting under a tree at the back of my mothers house. The tree had red leaves. It happened gradually: A weird feeling creeped up. A feeling that deep down I truly know who I am and am just putting on a mask. We are all players in a grand game and our personalities are nothing but masks. 2. I was peeling potatoes and an insight hit me: "sometimes in life the most important thing to do is to peel potatoes". It meant to me that happiness is to be found not in a future which is yet to come, but in the moment. 3.During one of my psychotic episodes I pressed my arms against each other and asked myself: 'How is it that my hand dose not go through?' I thought of physics and of the electromagnetic forces in between them but still this did not satisfy an answer. Then in what seemed like a blink of an eye I got it: Things are the way they are because it is the most perfect way.. And that is why my hand dose not go through the other hand. 4.I went to a spring near where I live. It was morning and the atmosphere was so nice. I sat with my guitar and then I knew that in about 3 seconds I'm about to have a huge insight. This is the biggest of my awakenings yet and what I realize was that god exists(only later have I come to recognize god as my true self). The exact words which went through my mind where: Who else? 5.The Nothingness awakening: It was very simple, a spiritual guide came to me(I have imagined him it helped me a lot) and just stated: you know what that is? It actually is just nothing. I know it sounds silly but that got me to realize what Nothingness is. Here I want to add that the "No self" was not an awakening but rather a gradual dissipation for me so I do not list that here. 6. My final awakening cannot be put into words as I myself cannot make sense of it yet. When (and if) I can ill be happy to share it Have an awesome weekend and enjoy life! Daniel.

I just finished the book. I love it. It's one of my favorites now. Very insightful and well-written. I like Douglass: "There's no way to meet in nothingness. We have to meet in somethingness, in a world. And what is more wonderful than meeting in a good way? Nothing." - Douglass Gilette

Nothingness Without End

Date: October 10th 2022 Dose: 4.5g Mazatapec Intention: What is Actuality? Taken at 5:50 pm 12 minutes in Feeling a come-up. 14 minutes Kicking in, yawning, tired, etc. Getting into that shroom head space Eventually my contemplation of "What is actuality?" just dove into me asking "What are you, God?" To me, this was the same question as asking what is actuality. Insights and Musings You can't explain it. You either are conscious of it or you're not. When your hand is not in your consciousness, it it literally exists as nothingness. Void. Parts of your body that you do not see or feel literally do not exist. And then when you look at it then it spontaneously gets imagined into existence. God has the power to do that. And God damn. God damn. God is one fucking asshole, he had me fooled. The ultimate Illusionist. I have become conscious that I live in a mind. Post Trip Report Definitely Some mind-blowing insights into the nature of reality. Super duper fun to see god's power where he can just make things appear and vanish. Turn a corner and the room you were just is is gone.

The beautiful aspect of dualities is they create a sense of movement, progression, and experience. They may only be imagination, but even for God they serve a purpose. Imagine being formless, changeless, and timeless. God is not bored, but neither is it excited. It is light and love, but without creation, how is this light and love manifested? It is all God, dreaming the cosmos into existence and collapsing it into nothingness, in an infinite divine cycle. Science supports the expansion and contraction of the cosmos, but mystics realized it millennia ago. Take the numbers below as symbolic, and realize the deeper meaning of the insight: The Day of Brahma ends after a thousand yugas and the Night of Brahma ends after a thousand yugas. When the day of Brahma dawns, forms are brought forth from the Unmanifest; when the night of Brahma comes, these forms merge in the Formless again. This multitude of beings is created and destroyed again and again in the succeeding days and nights of Brahma. But beyond this formless state there is another, unmanifested reality, which is eternal and is not dissolved when the cosmos is destroyed. - Bhagavad Gita 8:17-20

You can't awake of that because otherwise you would be in control at all times, and its not possible when consciousness=nothingness

Consciousness is the building block of the reality that doesnt really exist, the reality is you, you're creating your reality on the go out of nothing. Which came first? The chicken or the egg? Both. Which came first? Nothingness or consciousness? It's both. You're just experiencing an illusion of something, behind the scenes there is really nothing. In the world of dualities we think nothing is actually non existence but it doesnt work like that

You both are wrong, "nothingness" and "You are Consciousness" are both the same at the highest level. I made a paint. Consciousness = nothingness , that is why there is no one in control ever and never will be.