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He was in such incredible pain that none of his techniques would suffice and he needed the help of science and technology. He was in such incredible pain that even he couldn't bear it. This should enlighten everyone as to why it is compassionate to allow assisted suicide at times because there's only so much anyone can bear, regardless of there level of mental discipline.

I have a question regarding one of Leos statements. He once said that you literally have to die to attain enlightenment. I think that statement was either made in "what is consciousness?" or "what is intelligence?". Does that mean for example, when I'm tripping and I'm asked for some mystical creature to jump from the balcony, I should do that? I mean how can i be sure, that there is no "evil entity", that is trying to trick me into killing myself or something? I'm asking that, because i already had similar experiences like that, but i thought, that this was bullshit, and therefore i did not kill myself. I'm certainly not that suicidal guy, but i need that to know what is beyond the profane existence. EDIT: Changed the titel

In 2021, the age-adjusted suicide rate in the United States was 14.04 per 100,000 people, which is a 16% increase from 2011. In 2021, 48,183 Americans died by suicide, which is a 3.6% increase from 2020. The suicide rate among males in 2021 was 22.8 per 100,000, which is four times higher than among females (5.7 per 100,000). Spiritual Communities have the same issues that non Spiritual communities have. Why? Because you cannot separate people who are into Spirituality from people who aren't. Human issues are human issues. Majority of people in Spirituality are not advanced, just like majority of people who play sports are not world-class professionals. As such the same problems that stop a non world class professional from advancing to a higher expression of said practice are the same issues that stop someone from advancing Spiritually. There is nothing inherently wrong with Spiritual communities, there are just issues that the people in those communities have not worked out yet. How do we know this? Put a collection of mystics together and you have peace and tranquility. See how easy that is? Why label non advanced problematic people who enter Spirituality and start communities as Spiritual Communities. I wouldn't call them Spiritual Communities. I would call them Communities that are early in their practice of Spirituality. Calling them Spiritual is like calling a bunch of Junior Varsity players who created their own league of basketball, a professional league. Profession has standards of performance. A Spiritual Community with proper development would be harmonious. If you study reality, it teaches you that the more intelligent something is, the better it is able to unionize, synchronize, large groups. Spirituality is the study of the interconnectedness of everything. It is all encompassing. Which means in essence it is the study of unionization. Oneness. If you see high amounts of dysfunctionality then they aren't Spiritual. It's why there is a saying "You will know them by their fruits." https://biblehub.com/matthew/7-16.htm

I don't mean to be insensitive towards suicide. . . But I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Beast kills himself at some point. If he does, he'll become a case study for years to come.

1. The suicide as a method started then but the explosions (without suicide) attacks of Palestinians against Israeli civilians started long before that. 2. hamas and fatah are both responsible since 90s. 3. You will have to add examples of such intentional "massacares" of civilians (not terrorists).

1. The suicide bombings began after the first intifada, they were a response to Israeli occupation and violence. H 2. hamas haven’t claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing since 2008 The Israel military has engaged in many massacres of civilians long before Hamas was even founded.

This is a low intensity war against hamas in the west bank since 2002 until this day, the only thing that stopped the suicide bombers came from there. No massacares at all. You conflated civilians with hamas.

Is there an ulterior motive in meditation, Hinduism, Buddhism, and psychedelics? (I am a rookie and working through my issues Lol! I am still clinging to self and trying to decide if I should be a good citizen or "walk my path.") Is it fair to say the dirty little secret of these practices is there is no free-will and there is no self and these practices lead to "god realization" and solipsism? If so, is it true none of these practices can advertise the "dirty little secret" up front because the "common man" is repulsed by these ideas of no free-will and no self? So we are all lured in to believe meditation makes you calm and psychedelics are fun at parties. But eventually mom or grandma meditates so much and gets a fleeting glimpse of the "silent watcher." Or a naïve person takes psychedelics and has an unexpected "ego death." It's like part of the life cycle is getting your heart broken or being betrayed by someone you trust. We all have to check these boxes. We must learn our heart is fragile and learn its worth and value by seeing it crushed. So in the same sense, society must first set us up for a midlife crisis or turn us into sheeple so we can eventually wake up and break from the herd. What would happen if a culture or society had newborns who were already awake? Could this utopia exist? Or is the joy and fulfillment in the awakening? We need rites of passage? And life itself is a rite of passage? It feels like a conspiracy but I know it is an unintended conspiracy. Unless I created all these intricate details and I am the dreamer. Or does god use these practices to wake himself up? Did I leave all these breadcrumbs for myself? It gives me a big cheesy smile and I feel fulfilled and satisfied to have this tiny awakening. But the doubt creeps in that I am deluding myself and lots of close friends and family would all think I've gone full woo. I am worried I am a failure or unsuccessful by family standards or society standards and I am inventing all this "magical thinking" to make myself feel better. And if I am on my path of awakening (which I guess I can't not be), I even dreamt up this forum and the fact I have to post to strangers when really it is me responding to myself. Lol! I can't think the thoughts and instead need you to reply to me. I can't simply "awaken" but need you to give me advice. And just as a dark and ugly tangent I will say that I do get the feeling that facing suicide during a psychedelic trip is also a "dirty little secret" of psychedelics and possibly also the practices I mentioned above. Leo is the first and only person I have ever heard warn about suicide in these contexts and I am very impressed by his warnings and honesty. But then again... I dreamt Leo up? Thanks. Be well. Be safe.

Agreed. But it is a weird paradox. I was too arrogant to heed any warning about psychedelics. I needed to get "calibrated" to reality and awakening. Each person has to learn the hard way. You gotta touch the fire and get burned. It is the Dunning-Kruger effect. You have to learn the limits of your body, mind, spirit, soul, etc. It is dangerous and scary. I really respect Leo for mentioning the risk of suicide in a few videos. Heavy stuff and heady stuff. Very strange. Advice falls on deaf ears.

@Karmadhi Yes, and I'd also say opportunist as well as experienced in knowing how to market public outrage just enough to stay relevant, especially with him doing podcasts around YouTube is concerning. Even lately in his Twitter recently been joking about suicide and dehumanizing a few people and those who lean more pro Palestine. I don't know how he's getting away with that much hage speech in Twitter. And yes he doesn't want further war in Ukraine and Russia, but even in that it's clear the American and western bias is playing oht through him, plus him even being defamatory to John Mearsheimer without even engaging in his arguments is already telling.

This is all correct, except one thing. When you suicide or kill yourself somehow in a crash for example you don't necessarily wake up as god. That is because you didnt die as god realized but still as an ego mind, ego mind will associate death with darkness. And since you're nothingness , anything is possible. When you jump from your roof as ego and not as a god realized being, you will keep falling when you're close to the ground you won't touch it but just will have a black screen because of the shock. Then after the nothingness/blackness you might become aware in a new childs body, the big bang is a start of your rebirth/new awareness in your world. She got a taste of god or herself and knew she did it billions of times and wished for rebirth/new life. BUT A KNEW LIFE OR EGO BODY ISNT AS EASY TO GET AS YOU MIGHT THINK, YOU'RE NOTHINGNESS SO BEING ENTRAPPED AND FORGOTTEN IN ANOTHER DREAM ISNT AS EASY AS YOU MIGHT THINK. From what i know and understand the only way to get a new random body/ego/dream is to wish for death/kill yourself/non existence. It's basically a gods restart button to get lost somewhere. The others while you're in a ego body are just projections/reflections of your mind because you're aware. So you're truely only one and all alone. The problem is when you're all alone, the desires/meaning/things all will have 0 value for you. The only true meaning that you already know will be loving others. So a restart of your dream / being reborn into delusion and unknowingness will be your only option.

Reminds me of the paradox regarding suicide. For example, in my religious upbringing we were taught that suicide is sinful, so we never discussed about it openly. But from a mental health perspective, it is healthy to discuss suicide instead of avoiding it. So yeah, you don’t understand suffering by avoiding suffering.

So basically, the question is null and void in your opinion because there is nothing wrong with suicide. Actually suicide is Enlightnement, because reality is consciousness, so there is no death, really. That's a very interesting take and actually it's quite correct. I just think it would be cooler if God could realize itself without just ending the life of the form and never knowing it was God. But what I think happens here is Consciousness. Rats don't wake up - they go through their whole life, and never awaken. So why would some humans awaken, if there level of consciousness wasn't high enough. And now again - solipsism wipes this all clean.

Hmmm. Now that I think of it maybe suffering is not enough. Maybe it's something like being fed up with one's current way of being. Maybe Being fed up/will to change = amount of suffering * insight/inteligence Because for some people change is so scary that it actually in a way is more comfortable to stay in current way of being. Massaro says that if you don't change some behaviour it's because deep inside you still believe there is a benefit to that behaviour. Like for example some can subconsciously believe thst staying asleep and in suffering maybe is terrible but it ensures things like security, being understood and so on. So until the benefits of change outweight the scary parts like not being understood, going crazy - the person won't change. And for some it may be that not being understood, being alone, changing is scarier even than death. Also commiting suicide is just ego screaming for help. Sending a signal "look how much I suffered because od you world, so much that I'm going to kill myself".

Excactly. But still - i still wonder why some who suffer so deep don't awaken. - They commit suicide. I don't understand. Maybe Leo will put a video out on this - i mean, he's the genius. But I just wonder why some awaken via suffering and some don't. Maybe they never got exposed to spirituality or maybe their mind just didn't expand enough.

Okay so I've watched most of leos videos and he has stated that he will make a video on nihlism, but I haven't found it, can anyone send me a link if they've found it. Or If not can you make a I think this is really core to enlightenment I think most people go through spiritual depression, and nihlism so . I know that leo made a video on dangers of meditation and mentioned these but he hasn't made a video on how to deal with nihlism and suicidal thoughts. I think this would be really useful for a lot of people and could get Leo a lot of views because almost everyone goes through an existential crisis from time to time and there isn't much practical non woowoo content on youtube that explains this.

This guy shows how extremist Islam can get. They don’t value their life. They invented the suicide bombers. It’s insane how insane religion can get you. Stop enabling and support this sh1t..

I might come back here and give some actual constructive criticism and nuances another time, but after trying (primarily Leo's advice from that 3 part series for a few months now) I just want to say that it's true Leo's perception has been distorted by living in Vegas and hanging out with PUAs. It's super different in other places in the world and even in the US there are few places where I would recommend taking Leo's advice word for word, although I would highly recommend it if your sole objective is improving your social skills and you had little to no investment in getting laid. For newcomers (i.e. anyone who hasn't been doing it for years) hardcore game is not a short-term strategy for getting laid unless you're a very good looking guy, just keep that in mind. At any rate, I just found out that apparently where I live, some white college kids might ask an older man to intimidate and coerce you to leave a bar after you approached and talked to their friends. I had no fucking impression I made anyone uncomfortable until this fucking old guy pulled me to the side and claimed to be a police officer. If I was thinking clearly I could've called the actual police right then and there. Instead I called suicide hotlines hours later. I'll just leave it at that.

lol. I chuckled at this.. All depends on your priorities.. the cost of living in those cities are way too high for someone like me to be "worthwhile", it would literally be financial suicide for me. And bigger doesn't always mean better.. you can be in a very big city that is very misaligned in your values. I've lived in some densely populated cities and did not like them at all, people tend to be more "robotic" and superficial (tho I don't know much about NYC or London in particular). Even if I was loaded financially I still don't desire to live in giant cities.. so I just say do your research if you can. And well tbh if you reach a certain "state of consciousness" it doesn't matter as much where you live so long as it's peaceful and affordable. Thanks to the internet for instance.

Life doesn't care if you suffer. You are a soldier genetically programmed to advance. You also have software that prevents you from committing suicide. This is not kindergarten, this is war, and in case of war it is best to relax and enjoy the battle. It is a great show, intricate, full of brilliant intelligence, delving into it is of great beauty, but no one escapes its hardness.

I'm too lazy to read this whole thread. But if you do ketamine you see how your consciousness can disassociate from your body and merge with materials around you. I have experienced this and have read many trip reports stating the same. So I suspect we don't die and just return to the source or void or the collective consciousness. Suicide doesn't work either. You can kill this body but you cannot kill your true self. We are eternal. That is my hunch anyway.

Notice how in the whole wide world people aren't running around crying how they're gonna die someday. They're only concerned about surviving. There are no chaotic outbursts from people having existential crisis's running around saying, jesus i'm gonna die someday. Notice how things are orderly chaotic. The sun shines every morning, night falls. Spring, summer, autumn, winter every year. Ever since you've been born every year same thing - except for contents. As in human bullshit, accidents, murder, wars, etc. Then natural disasters, hurricane, tsunamis, earthquakes etc, predictable chaos. I could write a book, just add in some stories, that's the only difference. That's what a DREAM is. That's what it is when there's nothing here, no people, no earth, no death, nobody doing anything. No mind no thoughts, no nothing. A friggin' void. No earth, no stars, no moon, no sun. No constellation, no planets, no clouds, no sky, no aliens, no people, no nothing. Tell people, they are God, they freak out. Tell people they don't exist, they freak out. Everybody wants to save you from hell, but ask for some rent money they tell you to fuck off. Everybody scared of something. Everything You name it. Somebody scared of it. All kinds of phobias. All kinds and of diseases. Everybody addicted to something. Taking drugs, alcohol, smoking, if not, work, sex, something. Gotta cling. Cling for dear life. Holding on for dear life. Hoarders hoarding some shit they don't even need. Gotta find something to do. Can't sit still. Hyper. Even if they cool with no worries, same shit. They so scared they just caved in and letting things ride. Wherever life takes them they say, Scared as shit. They're the most scared, so scared they chillin', cause any more scared they'd burst. At least the anxious getting it out somehow. Every other person wanna kill themselves at sometime or another. For 10 years they wanna kill themselves, but they even scared of that. We hate people but we on social media everyday, talking how much we hate people. Cant stand people but they on there everyday. We hate the world but cheer on the babies for coming here and mourn the dead. We hate life but scared to die. Don't make no sense. We hanging on, hanging on for dear life. For what, just to die anyway. We kill so we can live longer just to die anyway. We eat garbage, killing ourselves slowly but say suicide is wrong. Slow death, eating pure poison and rotting our insides but we're scared to die. That's it. So that should tell you something. Nobody is going to flinch. Nobody cares. That's not a part of the story. We're supposed to be living not dying. Why is everything like this. Because there's no one here, nothing here, Noone but the almighty Source. Source of everything. Nothing but It. Doing it all. Being it all. Experiencing it all. Loving it all. THE END.

Suicide comes up a lot here, and understandably so, our lives are often difficult and unnatural as well (no living community, we even work more than we did back in our hunter-gatherer days, we live in cities/small boxes) etc. And suicide is even the goal you could say, but not of the body, but of our attachment to ourselves as a separate body. So here's why the body/physical universe from my understanding has a purpose: - It exists. - You cannot kill the mental body (www.evidenceforthesoul.weebly.com) - In a physical body you can experience the collective human path of transformation/awakening, live a unique enlightened physical life and help and love others. - If you kill the physical body, you will be faced with the still unresolved subconscious: like the potential you still have for bad dreams: So you will then be faced with yourself, a mind reality composed of the mental tendencies of bodily/mental identification of attachment and fear. So if you cannot let go of yourself, you will probably reincarnate anyways. Not as a judgment or punishment, but out of your choice to resist the fullness of God/Self, and you'll come into another body to complete your growth process. (I once asked before I went to sleep about why I shouldn't kill myself with the intent to learn more on this: I had a realistic nightmare of being in a cathedral. Yet I knew it was also a mental realm, so I could use my power to alter the dream. Though I didn't like it there all together, the cathedral reminded me of the fear of God I think, and the raw stone of the raw reality. Then I saw a guy, and I got scared, I thought maybe he would kill or hurt me. So I tried to burn/freeze him with my mind to scare him off/kill him. I got spooked by that realization of me being a killer and I tried to run, and the people came after me imagined. Then I chased women to have sex (though I never have to rape for it in my dreams), for pleasure and it was unsatisfactory because I was still not at ease/afraid.. When I asked this again later, I also had a dream of a grown man in a baby's body, but the man was looking unconscious and a bit dumb, bewildered, frozen in unconscious fear. Which explains why some children are born very bright, and some are not. and of course Buddhism/Hinduism also talk about reincarnating depending on your level of consciousness). One last thing, a teacher I trust based on direct experience as well, namely Bashar, also says that physical life has the purpose of shaping your spirit. You have the physical life experiences under your belt after the life, and that grows you into a unique being, 'like fire to solidify clay'. And so after the physical shaping you can live forth as an (evolved) human spirit. -- Here's a cool excerpt from an awakening and of really amazing life story: And I just heard: 'For this, you're born.' I think btw suicide is different if the body is like old and sick and stuff and you do it with consciousness, you can say your goodbyes and love properly too. After all, everything is Self created, there will never be an outside source judging you. Peace

I've never really hit rock bottom that hard but this song's title is literally the number for a suicide prevention hotline, and his speech brought me to tears the first time i've heard it:

Here might be a relevant song. Here is another popular song by citizen soldier. His songs are all about suicide.