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suicide seems like a bad thing because you, as an existence, as the void that you are, aka god, have chosen to live this experience. with all its nuances, all its content. so, when things get ugly, even horrible, with maximum suffering, als, terminal cancer, whatever....you have chosen that. then, you, the avatar that you really are, should give your all, and endure your ordeal. you want to experience that. you want to be crucified. if you escape... I don't know if it's a punishment, but seems a disappointment.

I have not experienced such a thing. I don't know if people who get into spirituality in this way are really seeing the full scope of it all. I think you can get into that state, but that there are many different places, many different ways and that it's not quite as simple as just being "nobody" with no mind to suffer. I have what could be considered a terminal illness, and it is active right now, but if it clears up I will have more time, I'm just waiting to see if and when it does, and I've gone through this death process in a very real manner and had a lot of different experiences, all of which lend to the reality that consciousness records itself. You build on your experiences in order to Know how to create. And so you need the ingredients that encompass everything. As for Hell realms, I have experienced these in a certain light, but not to the degree of being so enmired in one that I felt stuck. There was always a way out through simply moving my energy upwards - and so when discussing these things, for people who are suicidal or who want to know I include the reality of these places - along with a simple step for getting out, which is just to move the energy "up". But I don't know enough about them to know if they are simply a mirror, if they are their own worlds, or what. I would need and am actively looking into more experiences with them to be able to come to some personal conclusion. I do know how to get out, though, and this is the step. "Right action" - or things that allow the energy to flow free and positively. I think there would be leeway with that, just like if you put a family pet down for an illness. I have had experiences of pets who passed away coming to me in dreams to say goodbye and they were not stuck in a bad space simply for being put down. One didn't know it had died and was confused until I explained what had happened. She stayed with me in my dreams for a few months before moving on. What I am speaking about is more like, suicide just from feeling as though you are in a bad spot - but that could change with some effort or psychological perspective shifts. I struggle with these thoughts as well, and have, in my opinion, gathered a lot of personal details on the nature of death in a very real manner, but just like with life, due to how we are all unique, I don't know how well they would translate to someone else who is their own individual person with a special path. If that makes sense. I also don't really hold onto my awakenings into these things as absolute truth, so they are open to change or to be expanded on or to be thrown away for a better paradigm. I feel when one goes into it with a loose attachment, that you get more. I don't think you are speaking from ego imo, I think you make sense. If someone is suffering and they want an out and they are going to die anyways, then I don't think that God is going to cut them off at the tail end of their life. I mean, they did learn their lessons. And it might be better to die on one's own terms in the sense of illness, as you are prepared and still functional enough, while an illness can rob you of all of that and take away from it. But let's say you are 16 and your parents divorced or you had a break up and kill yourself, this would be grounds to redo the process. Feel free to poke holes in my work, or whatever, I don't mind. If I don't know, then I don't know and sometimes having people point out certain flaws or weak areas is good because then I can look into it and see where I might need to grow in understanding. Hope this response helps! Of course, I'm glad to know you are not suicidal. Take your time, your soul will generally know when it is time to look death in the face. There will just be a knowledge in your heart that has a strong pull that will say, "Okay, it is time to look at this now." But generally, yeah, do everything when you feel is best for your personal journey. I must let you know, it can be a very good and loving experience, once you get past the fear portion - it is very quiet and calm and there is an illumination that permeates all things and a Love that is in everything. You will find that within this death is the paradoxical eternal life, pretty cool huh?

Suicide is discouraged because the process of growing your soul is meant to move you upwards and suicide is a downwards action that puts you back on the "soul train" so to speak. Your soul wants to learn lessons to grow because you are destined to become a conscious creator, and if you don't learn what you need to while in school, you will need to come back. Also, there can at times be negative forces in your life working against you that might cause you to want to harm yourself in such a way, that if they were seen into and removed that you would not do this to yourself. Suicide is also traumatizing to the soul. It can fragment you in a certain sense. Other than having to repeat your lessons, from what I have learned about this process and gleaned into, there are no bad consequences aside from the fact that you don't get all that you were promised and that you have to repeat it again, and you might be put into a life that doesn't have access to the knowledge that you have now. It could be a harder life. The thing is, what we are promised on the other side is amazing. We get to play forever, as the personality constructs that we are supposed to be, fully, completely whole and connected to the Light and to love, to our families, pets, friends, and lover. This life on Earth is the hardest one because we are forced to forget what we learn when we come here time and time again. It is only when you get to the end of your life, or after some very deliberate prying that you get access into all of this. If you do commit suicide, what will happen is that you will be very confused at first. Your soul will need time to heal and you will be given extra time to do this, to see your family, you will get to go over your entire life and see what you could have done differently. It won't be until after you have done it that you will know how wrong it was to do this and how easy the change would have been, just a switch in perception. Those who die by suicide are not sent to Hell or some place evil, unless you lived a life that was enmired in wrong action, this might be reflected back to you for a time. If this happens, the people who have NDE's that mention these frightening realms say that prayer and asking for forgiveness and mercy will bring the Light to you. The thing is - this is the kicker - death, just like in life is very personalized. Everyone gets something a bit different, but the anatomy is similar that humans have mapped it out to some degree. But your death is based on how you lived. If you want to know about death, look at it in the face. Research it. NDE's, terminal illness, murders, the decomposition process, the interpretation of different religions, memento mori, make a journal on it, in music, in art, it is everywhere. And finally, look your death in the face. Not as an interpretation, but actually sit with it in real time. You will die someday. What if that is tomorrow? Or now? What will you feel when you go through it? Go through that now with as much consciousness as you can. Death is actually a layer, you can peel right behind it in a very real way, and it will tell you what you need to know for your own unique circumstance. The keys to right action? Forgiveness, Love, Truth, Bravery, Sincerity. Follow these, while accepting your mortality and you can't go wrong.

I am not completely qualified to answer this because I have never been diagnosed with a terminal disease but I think I can share something that might be relevant. Also, this is purely personal and so may not generalize. There is this thing called passive suicidality, where you don't actually plan a suicide attempt but have thoughts along the lines of, “It's be so great if I that truck over there would hit me.” For me, every time I have something wrong with me and need to go to see the doctor, I sincerely hope that it's something fatal. If I have a stomach ache, I really hope that it's a cancer or that both of my kidneys have stopped working. If I have a headache, I really hope it's a brain tumor. When the results come in, I get really disappointed when it's something minor. So, if I get diagnosed with a terminal illness, I would be incredibly happy. Except I would really want to die without much suffering. So, in fact, it would make me more likely to do something about it since now it will be somewhat easier for my loved ones to deal with my death.

Who said God "should " be fair and just ? Maybe God is the biggest asshole you ever imagined and he punishes those who commit suicide with eternal suffering? I mean how would you know? You see,you gotta admit that you don't actually know crap about God,death, and the after life . Here's some reasons to NOT commit suicide: 1-One day, you will die anyway. What's the hurry, stay awhile. 2-Death is uncertain. You dont know whats on the other side. 3-life keeps changing. It is full of possiblities. 4- If you are a virgin : how can you end it , without even having sex.

If what comes after suicide is even more suffering and could be even worse, all the people in the world who commit suicide daily have to read this post in order not to commit it. It seems kind of unfair to me. I'm here enjoying the benefits of your wisdom, while they are there suffering and thinking they will get away from it by commiting suicide. Then they get an even worse life, while I, the lucky one, who read this and did not commit suicide, get a better afterlife. Doesn't make any sense. Spirits are either all the same or there is just one Spirit. At least God should be fair and just.

@Gabith, I believe that Galyna is right. Suicide doesn't end anything. Mind and body are two different aspects of the human experience. The mind spends a lot of energy on thought and emotional processes. The stronger the emotions, the more intrusive thoughts and the more power is used. Kundalini practice shows you this in black and white. Through the course of very demanding physical-breathing exercises and meditation in very uncomfortable and painful positions - you focus on your breathing. This allows you to observe the narrative of the mind, which finally screams, "you can't make it, fuck me, that's enough !!". The breath guides you through this scream and begins to distance you from it until it disappears somewhere beyond the horizon. Then these gigawatts of energy are at your disposal, and suddenly it turns out that the body you think you know is just going into some turbo speed. The expansion begins, which - this is the most interesting - you know well. Have a try. I recommend it with all my heart. Find only a truly committed teacher. And don't punish your body. It was not at fault, and turning it off will only make the fuss worse. Besides, it's a great vehicle—99.99% self-repairing, self-loading super suit. You need to know it well. You will see for yourself. Good luck!

@Gabith also please don't entertain thoughts of suicide. It always gets better. Trust me. All you need is patience brother.

Because suffering is the best teacher. You suffer for a reason, it is a wake up call. You won’t grow otherwise. Committing suicide is not an option. What will happen is that you will transit from one dream into another dream. Do you truly think you will die? ? It is all a dream. Consciousness is just dreaming.

@Galyna I don't understand why God would put in Hell or bad conditions people who commit suicide... if someone commit suicide, it's because he's in deep suffering so why would God punish him even more ??? It doesn't make sense

This guy has the whole serious about suicide and what follows it. Do not kill your body, your suffering won't end. Also study Bardo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo In some schools of Buddhism, bardo (Classical Tibetan: བར་དོ་ Wylie: bar do) or antarābhava (Sanskrit, Chinese and Japanese: 中有, romanized in Chinese as zhōng yǒu and in Japanese as chū'u)[1] is an intermediate, transitional, or liminal state between death and rebirth. Man, I need to create a thread about it. So many people struggle with these thoughts.

Why is suicide discouraged in religions and in general in spirituality? Would there be bad consequences? What if we commit suicide by self-love because we are stuck in a situation of great suffering for example? Would it be okay ?

Yeah this is a crazy event. I kinda wanna build a cult too, without the mass suicide/murder part. Nothing quite so interesting happens these days.

"One of the myths of Jonestown was that it was a mass suicide, whereas, in fact, it was a mass murder."

Yes I agree with that. obviously other factors like self confidence come into play which I would say aren't as genetic however if the highly ambitious person has low self confidence, he'll either commit suicide or eventually become confident & once he does he will start killing it, that is my intuition because as an ambitious yet not always that effective person I know how fucking frustrating it is when you fail & you don't live up to your standards, when I don't work hard it feels like I'm constantly being strangled & burned on a hot stove, for a normal person it is a relief that they get to relax. When I went on "holiday" last time I did, the "friends" (Mediocre idiots) I was with just wanted to "relax", literally fucking drink alcohol on a beach & do absolutely nothing. Whereas I was constantly thinking about levelling up in a holiday way as a form of "relaxtion" for myself : I wanted to approach girls & work on my game constantly, not drink because it numbs me, I want to make connections to build networks, take photos to practice photography, build a mental map of the city in my brain & practice all the different routes for going round the city, I wanted to workout still & set a challenge with myself to approach the hottest models there walking near the beach. I wanted to practice foreign languages & learn culture & customs with the natives, I was even thinking abot strategically networking there to find people who could let me stay in the future = free or discounted travel. I'm not saying all this as if It's profound or genus it's pretty basic, my point is that's an example of a genetic pallet for amibition whereas I just couldn't, couldn't understand why these guys were happy to sit around & drink & do nothing all day, it didn't make sense to me even for like 5 minutes, with a hot girl I get it & u get nice sex but I mean on their own lol, & they were so happy to waste money on multiple resterautns & shit it didn't make sense to me, I realized that holiday that I'm a different person & I just can't interact with low T low ambition men, it's a horrible experience. I'm not the most effective nor am I that intelligent (although not sure how I even define intelligent) but I am certainly creative and ambitious, and I can only really attribute it to genetics. However I didn't always have access to / abilitiy to leverage either of those, BUT I dont say that means that I suddenly became that way from environment, no. It's I had both as latent potentials, but due to environment, low self esteem, diet, ect... my ambition was not I couldn't act on it, but that doesn't mean I never had it, I did have it, but I didn't understand myself enough & furthermore I was very miserable whereas obether kids would be happy & I didn't now why, part of it was due to not realizing that I just needed to fulfill my ambition. So in a sense environment blunts out the amibition, but it's still truly there under the surface. So yes environment has an affect & can block/dilute the amibition buty go it never truly goes away. So ambition + bad environemnt = recipe for distaster because truly amibitious guys never just stop being that way, they will turn to toxic or illegal methods to fulfill their amibitious yearnings, or they be stuck in mediocrity but will kill themselves because the incogruency & the pain is so strong & unbearable.

@something_else With 4 words, you can bed a girl. With 4 words you can repel a girl. Yeah, I don't understand how my advice to 'spend a long time coming up with a response' can have you translate it as 'write a long paragraph to the girl in text'. With 4 words you can kill a person. With 4 words you can save a person from suicide. Simple. But it takes effort to say those right things. If you write even those four words without thinking, you'll fail.

@MichaelJohn It’s still pretty fresh for you, so give it time. It’s also important to note that: It’s not up to you what others do with their lives. You have a right to live your best life, and you should to honour and be an example to everyone who questions whether life is worth living. Consider seeking council with a professional and reading books on: grief, shame, letting go, acceptance, self esteem, and books specifically for people who have lost loved ones to suicide. It’s very fresh for you. You are only responsible for you. Don’t carry something that wasn’t truly yours to carry. Whatever feelings you are feeling right now are totally okay. Feel them. Be kind, loving, compassionate and understanding with yourself.

My brother just killed himself about two months ago. Right before his suicide, I started my first job out of college and moved to a new state. I spent this last summer listening to Leo's videos, meditating, applying to jobs, and talking my brother down from multiple suicide attempts (he tried 30 different times from May to July. I tried to save him, but failed.) He was 26 years old and I'm 22. He suffered from bipolar disorder, diagnosed around the age of 15. I spent most my youth planning to become a neurologist and or psychiatrist in order to help him. We were extremely close. He was my best friend. Now that plan is in the shitter. How could I ever start a successful business, family, etc..? I moved to a new state in my brother's time of need. I was and am a coward. I guess my question is how can I prove to myself that I'm not a loser after losing/giving up on my brother. Thanks

Not meaning to oftend you. But recently a guy on the forum was ghosted by his ex. And it was unbearable and he talked about suicide. His messages were left on read. I was ghosted by my ex too. It felt like a mental shock. So I could understand what he was going through. I felt so much pity for him, I cried so badly. I even offered myself to him as a rebound that he could use to get over his ex for a few weeks. It was that bad. He thanked me later for serving as a temporary girlfriend and for giving him emotional support. It's okay to not read or reply stuff if it's a casual date and you know that person since a few days to a week. But in a relationship that's, beyond two months, ghosting, leaving on read, blocking etc, even dumping by text, basically not giving proper closure to the other person, I see these behaviors as reckless and uncaring of the other's emotional states.

I thought to myself there are lots of people who are depressed, sometimes i told myself most people are depressed. But they are not. Stats say 5% of the world population is depressed. At the psychiatry too there isnt lot of peers among my age. Im 17 and at the psychiatry there isnt lot of people at all. Its a weird thought and it should not happen but its just weird to me how no students commits suicide. Not because school is stressful or any of that. (I actually like school btw). But rather because of depression itself.

@zurew it is not just about my suffering. It gets transfered onto others who are good just by them looking at me or being near me. Yeah, I don't think I am more damaging than anyone else, I'm even less damaging, but I'm still worthless in this world and damaging. I also cause damage to bugs and animals sometimes just by staying alive. So I just cause damage to myself and others and I basically have no reason to live. Myabe suicide is much better Karma, but okaY, whatever, I will continue to live in this terrible body and house and do the best I know, but it is not gonna be good enough, ever. I think I might be poisoned or something, but will not be able to test that in the next ten or twenty years. So the pros of suicide are sometimes that you actually help a lot of other beings by dying and you make them happier.

Hey, Leo. My name is Simen. I am a 26-year-old man from Norway. I've been watching your videos for a few years now. I want to tell you that I don't want to live in this reality anymore. I quickly want to point out that I am aware of the things you say to justify why suicide is pointless. I have to speak from where I come from, though, and stay true to how I view things (my thoughts and feelings). As you say: 'me' sending this message to you is pointless because it will be as though I am sending this message to myself. I am not at your level, nor can I agree to this, in all honesty. I just take you for your word a lot of times. (I have become somewhat conscious as I did try Psilocybin this summer) I struggle a lot with romantic love, to the point where I can't care about anything else. I can't care about getting a job anymore. I can't care about socializing, even though that is probably the solution. I am not unattractive by any means. There's been plenty of women attracted to me at work and through life, and I have felt many times that I could go up to multiple women, talk to them, and have a genuinely high chance for something positive. But my desire for how I want reality to work has grown too strong at this point. To the point that I'm coming up with excuses even if I am certain I have a good chance, with a woman. I am also bothered a lot about looks and beauty. Whenever I go out, there isn't 1 time I am 'not' bothered by other people's looks. Men especially. It's horrible to go through life this way. I cry a lot these days, mostly because of certain cases in that I've screwed up love with another girl(s), and things that didn't work out, but most of all, it's because of how I want it to be. Why can't everybody be attracted to everyone? Why didn't I incarnate myself half-conscious into this life? Wouldn't that be a better existence? These are just a couple questions I guess I just want to ask someone I feel has the answers. But this message isn't for that matter. You have thought me a lot, and I guess I am just grateful for it. I guess, in return, I want to say 'thank you' for being there for me through hard times. Now, please hear me out here. I really want to make you happy. You've said that the hardest thing you've had to accept has been that you are all alone. You also say that I, don't really care about you. Man.. don't be like that. To me, that isn't true. In this dream, you've helped a lot of people. And this too: When you pass away and incarnate into something else at a later point, as god, won't it be as though that doesn't matter, that your new parents are imaginary? Because you won't be as conscious to recognize that, then. I won't attempt anything just jet as I am complied to make some specific things right, first, for me. But I am not passionate enough to do the work that you always tell me to do. I just am not motivated to do anything in this life anymore, no matter what anyone says can change my mind. I don't want to change anymore, and the last think I will do is to get help.

@AtheisticNonduality He didn’t just murder other people, it was a mass murder of children. It’s also not about resources for me. I think he should be killed for committing a mass murder. It’s just that simple, if you commit a mass murder of children you die. I don’t care who he will be in 60 years. There’s billions of us who don’t commit mass murder. There are probably people he affected who will commit suicide as a direct result of his actions, people who may end up homeless and on drugs, people who in 60 years are shells of what they could of been. Who knows? in 60 years his victims will still be dead. Let’s care more about Cruz though. Jk, I know you aren’t caring more about the mass murderer than all his victims and their families and communities. And ultimately, if he spends his life in prison, who knows. Maybe he will find a way to contribute. I still think he deserves death for what he took from everyone else.

The two reasons I lost my freedom, was placed on an order and lost my spiritual gifts: 1. Walking on the road (did this once) I had spent the night in complete agony and madness, without any family support, homeless, lost my keys, wallet. The darkness was making sounds so I huddled up near a street light near the side of the road. After many long hours of this, stuck in contemplation, I finally had the insight to lean into the darkness and madness. It all flees when you lean in. I laid down on the road and stared at a brick. Then I gathered up more courage to face the cars head on that were rattling with negative energy and threatening to kill me. So I began walking on the roads. There was a giant graffiti on the side of the road that said ‘voluntary suicide’ and that’s what I called it, voluntary suicide. The spirits/signs congratulated me on my courage but after the police caught me and sent me to the hospital they recommended I practice with birds and off of the roads. 2. Inappropriate sexual conduct in hospital Sexuality is the fastest way to shift energy (a nightmare at the very end of psychosis taught me that, where I had sex with Satan with a drill in the background - drills symbolised death). And I was in the worst experience of my entire life. I genuinely thought I was going to be raped and murdered because of a core major belief in the Unification. The unification was the major belief that the whole planet was awakening and unifying on all levels, including sexually. But that in some spheres sexuality had become corrupted and the need to unify had turned into rape. I thought perhaps if I committed ‘voluntary suicide’ by offering myself up I would be spared the rape. After that they forcefully jabbed me and placed me on an order. The frightening thing is, I predicted the jab. The jab was a part of what the darkness threatened to do to me. Paralyse me then rape me. I still think sometimes that if I hadn’t offered myself/shifted the energy that the jab would have paralysed me instead of saved me and I would have been raped on another plane of existence. “It was what got me through a hellish experience but no one will believe me of course and everything shifted to where it never happened. Sexuality has a way of shifting higher dimensions. So I did that. Strange men in black who I didn't know but apparently knew me took me so it resulted in that. "Extreme times call for extreme measures" It was like a ritual. ” . Spider is going to get you first paralyse you then wrap you up and feast on you . Okay. I genuinely don’t know if I was mad or had delusions or not. I didn’t act crazy except for meditating with my hands ( fos ro dah! ). That’s the point when you’re crazy, you don’t know. Now that might be because crazy doesn’t exist and we’ve been gaslit, after all consciousness can pretty much do anything. My heart won’t tell me, it keeps flip flopping.

The thing is you don't know, and you have to accept that. It might be the case, that it would have much more upside than downside, or the opposite, but you don't know that, so you are committing yourself to the unknown. Maybe there is such a thing as reincarnation, maybe there isn't. Even if there is such a thing as reincarnation, why would it be guaranteed that your next life would contain less suffering than the previous one? There are many other assumption baked into your questions. Why would you assume, that if there is such a thing as reincarnation, that you would only reincarnate to Earth, or that you would only reincarnate as a human, or that your suicide won't have any karmic consequences?