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@Wilhelm44 Nonduality means not two. The term points without defining. When comparing that which already seems to be defined, it is already missed there are, not two. There is not someone who knows this, nor someone to fully realize nonduality. ‘People self realized’, would be two. This has not only been covered extensively on this forum, it is literally the only apparent content of it.

Wtf. Sad to hear... There is a strange logic which could take hold if a person 100% believes in this idea. Sort of like how you might expect a Christian to kill themselves because they believe a paradise infinitely better than this awaits. Some followers of Islam in fact DO do that. The thing is that we cannot know definitively that we are right. I can prove nonduality is more logical than materialism, but not that it is right. There is also no reason to die: In nonduality it is an inescapable infinite existence. So dying would do nothing at all. A person cannot experience a conscious death as that would require their self to still exist and be around. Consciousness may be infinite and eternal but a person will not have an "experience" of death. The self will only experience the final moment of its life. It ought to be made clear to prevent anything more like this. All we all have is a belief, at the end of the day.

In Leo's latest video he says God realization is much deeper than nonduality. Leo, I watched the whole video, thank you, but please can you or someone else that knows, say a bit more about the difference between realizing God and fully realizing nonduality. Are people like Adyashanti or Spira not God realized ?

Because I like things exactly as they are. This is an intellectual pursuit for me. For a period of time I was going into this stuff a lot, I used DMT very often as well as acid. There was one period where I felt immense derealization. Another where I had something like an existential crisis (on the nonduality subreddit, there is a flair specifically for this type of crisis because it is common to face during such pursuits). Another time (several occasions actually) I recall thinking that if this is what reality truly is I don't WANT to know... It was like I would be walking along the streets and feel at one with walls and all sorts. I did not feel right. My loved ones became meaningless, my memories, it was not pleasant. The point is when the ego is dead these things won't matter, but you could say the same about being literally dead yet nobody is just hanging themselves or w.e. even though once dead they also "won't care". There is no question a subjective experience of "being human" exists presently. And I like mine exactly and precisely as it is. I have zero desire to change it.

Sure, but have you experienced God-realization? Even though there's no you, there's still more, even if there's no one left to do it. In a sense, you could say it's just getting into the weeds, but what beautiful weeds they are. It's not really contradicting the fact of nonduality. Unconditional Love can't help but manifest as formless infinite God. Yeah no one is doing it, but it's all there is.

What arises dependent upon conditions, does not arise. What is, is what arises and what does not arise. No separation. None whatsoever. The freedom of nonduality: what happens, does not happen. What apparently happens (seems to happen), doesn't really (actually) happen. I am you = what appears is what does not appear.

(D'oh, some of the links didn't work . I can't edit the original post, so I'm reposting the list. Good times !!!) Actualized.org Blog Videos Society & Politics [] Inside The Mind Of Trump [] Why Bernie Sanders Lost [] My Political Awakening [] The Big Picture Of Global Politics [] Why The Media Is Corrupt [] Rethinking Human History [] Conscious Capitalism BS [] Deconstructing Property Rights [] Life Lessons From "Life Below Zero" Epistemology [] Why Are My Videos So Long? [] Metaphysics vs Epistemology [] Understanding Better Than Academics [] Changing Perspectives Destroys Reality [] Why Debates Don't Work [] All Understanding Is Metaphoric [] All Understanding Is Metaphoric - Part 2 [] Skepticism & Nonduality [] How To Test For Self-Bias [] Learning From Partially False Perspectives [] My Critique Of Zizek's Critique Of Buddhism [] Sherlock Holmes' Brain [] Sense Organs Are Imaginary Enlightenment [] Absolute Infinity Demo [] Explaining God For Dummies [] Total Omniscience Awakening [] Infinite Love Awakening [] Ego-Collapse Awakening [] Tapping Into Collective Consciousness [] Miracle Awakening [] DPT: The Other God Molecule [] What It's Like To Smoke Salvia Divinorum Life Purpose [] Why Get Rich Quick Schemes Don't Work [] How I Started My First Business [] Requisite Variety & Creative Laziness [] Guerilla Business Advice Health [] Don't Half-Ass Yoga [] Sitting Posture For Yoga & Meditation Leo’s Health & Life [] Do I Doubt Myself? [] My Health Situation [] Back From 2 Month Break, Updates [] 14 Day Water Fast [] Water Fast Ends, Carnivore Diet Begins [] Things I’ve Been Wrong About [] Fat Leo (I had to add this because it’s adorable) Retreats [] Solo Retreat Videos & Insights [] Hawaii Retreat Intro [] Hawaii Solo Retreat Feb 2018 Videos [] Hawaii Late Night Insights [] Mindfucked In Hawaii [] May 2018 Solo Retreat - Part 1 [] May 2018 Solo Retreat - Part 2 [] May 2018 Solo Retreat - Part 3

@Gianna You are doing good, but you're still very far away from a holistic, omniscient God-realization. I will soon have a video explaining the difference between nonduality/awareness vs God-realization. Connecting the dots is precisely what's missing.

@4201 Want nonduality instead. Tame the ox. Sessions aren’t necessary, but to compare, just like anything else, you have to have the direct expereince to be able to compare the direct experience.

I think it's good because it can spread valuable information in the mainstream and can make him more approachable. I think what Leo talks about is more important than the fact that he's talking. Talking about how we are all one, we are god, and how we should use psychedelics to realize that imo isn't a good move from an optics point because the vast majority of people aren't aware of nonduality being a thing much less have a basic understanding of it. Unless you got exposed to those topics through philosophy, religious studies or something, it isn't unlikely that people will jump to the conclusion of "great another guy on drugs claiming he's god, what's new." Like if you leave enlightenment, psychedelics, and talking about god off the table, I think Leo becoming more mainstream can be beneficial.

@NahmPeople who find you probably have a certain background? Inquired a lot into nonduality?

(Here's all of Leo's recordings from the blog. I'll update as more come up. Enjoy !!) Actualized.org Blog Videos: Society & Politics [] Inside The Mind Of Trump [] My Political Awakening [] Rethinking Human History [] My Critique Of Zizek's Critique Of Buddhism [] The Big Picture Of Global Politics [] Why The Media Is Corrupt [] Why Bernie Sanders Lost [] Deconstructing Property Rights [] Conscious Capitalism BS [] Life Lessons From "Life Below Zero" Epistemology [] Why Are My Videos So Long? [] Metaphysics vs Epistemology [] Understanding Better Than Academics [] Changing Perspectives Destroys Reality [] All Understanding Is Metaphoric [] All Understanding Is Metaphoric - Part 2 [] Skepticism & Nonduality [] How To Test For Self-Bias [] Learning From Partially False Perspectives [] Sherlock Holmes' Brain [] Why Debates Don't Work Enlightenment [] Absolute Infinity Demo [] Explaining God For Dummies [] Total Omniscience Awakening [] Infinite Love Awakening [] Ego-Collapse Awakening [] Tapping Into Collective Consciousness [] Miracle Awakening [] Sense Organs Are Imaginary [] DPT: The Other God Molecule [] What It's Like To Smoke Salvia Divinorum Life Purpose [] Why Get Rich Quick Schemes Don't Work [] How I Started My First Business [] Requisite Variety & Creative Laziness [] Guerilla Business Advice Health [] Don't Half-Ass Yoga [] Sitting Posture For Yoga & Meditation Leo’s Health & Life [] Do I Doubt Myself? [] My Health Situation [] Back From 2 Month Break, Updates [] 14 Day Water Fast [] Water Fast Ends, Carnivore Diet Begins [] Things I’ve Been Wrong About [] Fat Leo (I had to add this because it’s adorable) Retreats [] Solo Retreat Videos & Insights [] Hawaii Solo Retreat Feb 2018 Videos [] Mindfucked In Hawaii [] Hawaii Retreat Intro [] Hawaii Late Night Insights [] May 2018 Solo Retreat - Part 1 [] May 2018 Solo Retreat - Part 2 [] May 2018 Solo Retreat - Part 3

Sure But don't forget, murder can also be a stepping stone to Infinite Love. Everything is a stepping stone in its own way. It's not about comparing me to anyone. It's about guiding you to the deepest consciousness possible. You will not reach the deepest consciousness using their weak sauce. I'm very serious about this. I don't give a rats ass about being better than those people. What I care about is you getting stuck at some nothingness or no-self state. Nonduality is not full God-realization. All paths do not lead to the same place. There exists a place of Infinite Consciousness. If you dare, I will meet you there.

There is a pinned thread called "Nonduality wars not allowed here" and then Leo himself constantly bashing other Non-dual teachers whos style is different from his or maybe Ken Wilbers who is also kind of a spiritual elitist in many ways. Just because someone has high IQ and talks about complex models does not mean they are any more awake than a teacher who does not do so.

@machiavelli It doesn't ultimately matter to God, since God is murder, love, rape, community service, aid, strife, peace, and everything else. Ultimately nothing matters. How could it? Who, outside of all there is, could it possibly matter to? This of course means that even "things mattering" doesn't matter / is not denied. There is just ultimate liberation. Nonduality cares not, but also judges not.

I'm a girl who has a youtube channel about non-duality, I've dealt with trolls. It is always about something I'm insecure about, particularly, being a girl with a youtube channel about nonduality. Occasionally, I don't feel 100% worthy of speaking about what I'm speaking about, so sometimes people remind me of that, and then I have a fire lit under my butt to love myself and speak about what I love without concern. Which is what I want and the whole reason for doing it anyway. It's not at the cost OF self esteem, my self esteem is MY self esteem, not anyone elses.

I became totally omniscient. I became completely conscious of how I create reality. This is not anything the human mind can comprehend or reason about. And it is beyond anything possible to achieve with meditation, Buddhism, self-inquiry, or anything like that. Even nonduality is not omniscience. It is way less.

Because in the long run; being a shameless dick leads to segregation. Destruction. War, even. And correct me if I'm wrong; but all this 'work' is about becoming united and coexist in peace. Nonduality, Love 'n' shit.

Conversations with God vol 1-3 are great bridge books into the world of nonduality.

The Power of Now was a turning point for me, but nonduality is nowhere more clearly defined than in the Bhagavad Gita. Go figure, nonduality equates with equanimity: They live in freedom who have gone beyond the dualities of life. Competing with no one, they are alike in success and failure and content with whatever comes to them. Those who have attained perfect renunciation are free from any sense of duality; they are unaffected by likes and dislikes, Arjuna, and are free from the bondage of self-will. The immature think that knowledge and action are different, but the wise see them as the same. The person who is established in one path will attain the rewards of both. People claim to have directly realized nonduality, but how many of us are equally content with success and failure, and consistently coherent with our knowledge and our actions? Nonduality is not just a realization, it is the purest state of being.

Good point. But how about turning that around? What if more love, kindness and general compassion could heal the gut issues - or anything else for that matter? I'm not trying to pick on Leo directly. I am nowhere near in that position. I have mad respect for him. But I do disagree with some of his ways. In my eyes; this thread is about how young, ignorant seekers who misunderstood a few teachings justify and perpetuate low consciousness behaviour in the name of Nonduality. In the name of God. And that pisses me off, hard. I ain't afraid to admit it. I care about how people think of and view all this. It matters to me that all of this goes in the right direction. The only true direction. Love, respect and compassion. I'm not yet in a position to influence or guide larger masses. But I sure as hell will stand for Truth to the best of my abilities. Even if it's in a form of bitching and moaning on the internet.

I didn´t understand. Is there some nonduality outside of a character? I mean, nonduality doesn´t exist without perceprtion. And perception doesn´t exist without a character.. Or not? I am not sure what is better - a happy end, as illusionary and temporary as the beginning or - the abolishment of the beginning itself, beutiful and overwhelming beginning I listened yesterday evening a song about 13 horses drowning in the ocean and I didn´t know what to think about it. Last night I dreamt, that I was in the big field. The horses were galloping in a circuit arount this field. When they saw me, they changed their route, they left the road around the field, and headed directly towards me through the field. Two brown horses, another two were approaching from behind, so I didn´t know where to escape and stood still. I saw them very close in front of me, two brown horses, the collision was inevitable, but then they were behind. Did they run through me? I don´t know wht to write. There is nobody there. About whom and for whom? I mean, when I was writing, I was always trying to reach out for the nerve, otherwise it´s boring The nerve is gone ?

@Hulia @Hulia I definitely am not the best example to follow... What comes out in art is a pure expression, whereas I live daily life with still a heavy atattchment to self character of @seeking_brilliance. I'm on a path of authenticity, that's all. For me, dropping charades extends beyond the charades of the character, but also all the nonduality speak. It's all charades to me. Honestly sometimes it gets really annoying and feels better to not think think about it, like you said ?

Its so simple its almost stupid, forget what nonduality, god, consciousness means, thats not what she is talking about. She basically saying, I don't know what anything is, but "something" is going on and what ever it is, is going on, like duh. Then if you get the stupid simplicity of that, and are not longer trying to figure out what exactly that may be, simply ask and maybe recognize, could what ever the mystery of whats going on, not be going during the infinitely different "states of consciousness".. and if no, then whats going on now..... the mystery of what is? Pretty stupidly simple and may seem unimportant, almost like saying salty tastes salty right,...... right.....AMAZING.

Nonduality & ego-mind is two.