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This post is going to be very controversial, but I have been called to share my thoughts with ... Myself??? After some time contemplating what a dream really is, I have come to the realization that Awakening itself is a Dream! How did I come to such a conclusion? Well, we first must ask what a dream really is. A dream is consciousness inventing a reality/story through trickery and deception. As such, The Dream Doubt cannot be fully unraveled no matter how awake you are. For instance, I once had a dream (while sleeping at night) where I became lucid and realized that I was in a dream. I then woke up, went up stairs immediately and talked to my mom about it. I shared with her my excitement. But then, I "actually" woke up and realized that my mind imagined me waking up just to keep me in the dream!!!! This one dream I had redefined how I see spirituality, the concept of a dream, and awakening. I was lucid in the dream or so I imagine I was. It makes me wonder whether I was really awake or whether I was just dreaming that I was awake? I had another dream where I my grandpa died (still alive now I am assuming at the time of this writing) and I asked my mom whether this was real and if this was a dream. But of course, my mom (my mind) convinced me that it was real. These dreams really casted a major doubt upon me. I realized that no matter how conscious I think I am, I can never penetrate beyond the dream doubt. No matter how much meditation or psychedelics I do, it will all be a dream! There is no awakening because that is what the dream imagines. The duality between Asleep and Awake collapses as it must. The forum, Leo, Buddhism, psychedelics, meditation, and Awakening are part of the Dream!! This Dream is not going anywhere. But maybe lucidity within this dream is still possible? Or is it just a self-deception to make me think I am awake when I aint? Just because one is lucid within one dream does not mean one is lucid within all dreams. My lucid dream made me realize that when you start to wake up, your mind is going to do everything to keep you asleep. Even the resources/tools you think will wake you up like Leo, this forum, psychedelics, meditation, etc. will be used to keep you asleep. I dreamt that I was lucid in a dream, and it should make one wonder whether true Awakening is even possible and if it is but just another dream within the dream. How can we know anything for certain beyond the fact that Consciousness exists? How can you ever transcend self-deception or unravel The Dream Doubt? I don't think you can because to be dreaming requires self-deception, and there is no awakening without dreaming. I don't think you can never not consider no matter what experiences you may have, that you could be dreaming them all up right now!! Now, let me ask you (or other parts of myself) some questions. Given that reality is a self-deception or dream, how do you know you have awakened when it is possible that you are still inside of dream - a dream that has deceived you into thinking you have awakened when you really haven't? How can you know? How can acquire true understanding when ever tool you use is all part of dream? And please, don't give me any answers like "You will only know when you awaken" because that assumes that you can awaken to something beyond a dream. But how do we know there is anything beyond dreaming, and how can you know if you are awake? By the way, there is nothing wrong with dreaming. Awakening to me means realizing what is Absolutely True. But what is Absolutely True? Consciousness. The end. Alien consciousness is just another dream within Absolute Consciousness. Awakening is a Dream! How does that sit with you (pun intended)? Please let me know what you think. I cannot get past The Dream Doubt. Thanks!

That is the whole issue is how can you know that you are in a state with no self-deception at all? As long as there is Mind, there is always self-deception knocking at the door. The Dream Doubt still lingers. Also, can God know itself? How can God know itself if it is itself? Knowledge is always about some part of God and yet God is all there is. God/Existence/Consciousness is prior to knowing. Knowing already creates a duality between the knower and the known. I am just trying to understand. I could be wrong. Yup. That is what I am saying. Awakening is imaginary. I was lucid in my dream, but then I created a story when I wanted to share that with my mom. It is almost as if the lucidity/awakening was part of the dream. Can you think of other examples where this "need for sharing" happens? Why is it that when we awake, we have a desperate desire to share that with "others?" Maybe it is another clever mind trick of the dream. That is my hypothesis. How powerful is the Mind? If you think or "know" you have "awakened," then you have greatly underestimated the power of the Mind/self-deception & The Dream Doubt. How do you know you are awake? How do you know you aren't imagining/dreaming you are awake?

I guess I should start with answering the question, "What is knowledge?" Because empiricism and rationalism do presuppose that knowledge does exist and can be acquired through direct experience or through rationality. Skepticism though holds that knowledge of anything is untenable. Knowledge presupposes a duality between knower and the known. You have already alluded to what knowledge is in your video on Not-Knowing. Our senses cannot give us any knowledge about the spoon and neither can rationality. We can know the utility of things, but we cannot know the being of it through either empiricism or rationality. But then again, if empiricism and rationalism cannot derive knowledge, then what is awakening? Is awakening the knowledge and understanding of Consciousness/Truth/Existence? How does one know they have awakened if they cannot rely on direct experience or rationality? How can you trust insights on psychedelics if we cannot rely on our senses or rationality? It seems like the only thing you can know for certain is that consciousness exists and nothing else can be known for certain, which is basically epistemological solipsism.

@King Merk There was one guy who awakened years ago and I feel like he was legit.

Oh I thought this was a joke ? Nice that you have awakened to such high stages of love, but what does Alien have to do with it?

I'm pretty sure I got bullied more than you do currently. How do I know? Because I have gotten into fights from 1st grade all the way to the 11th grade and also my freshmen year. Also two years ago some random 6'5 230lb plus guy tried to fight me in a CAFE because he believed when I walked in an aisle I brushed against his leg (I didn't) without saying "Excuse me." The situation ended peacefully fortunately. I can tell you what your issue is as I use to be in your same boat. The reason people mess with you HAS NOTHING to do with how you look, but how you CARRY yourself. If you carry yourself as someone NOT TO BE FUCKED WITH, that actually lowers the likelihood that others will attempt to mess with you. Also not gaining weight is an issue you only have when you are young, when you hit your 30's that problem will completely disappear. Now you said psychedelic realizations have no absolute basis in reality? That is a statement of complete ignorance. All realizations have 100 percent basis in reality....are you kidding me? The fact you think this means you aren't taking it seriously and are still too full of fear and selfishness. Here are some ways it has a basis. 1. Everything you see IS YOUR MIND. So explain to me...how discovering that everything is your freaking MIND and you are completely and utterly FOOLING yourself that you are in a physical universe not applicable? Explain to ME how this isn't THE MOST APPLICABLE REALIZATION EVER? 2. If everything is your mind...why don't you figure out how your THOUGHTS, and EMOTIONS are influencing your reality? Instead of complaining about people using psychedelics for love realizations...why don't YOU USE THEM to see in real-time how your thoughts and emotions are changing your reality. You see psychedelics SPEED UP your reality and allow you to see how you changing your reality through your own POV. What you call LIFE is just your freaking mind. 3. Lastly psychedelics can make you have an EGO DEATH which is the SAME AS WHAT WE CALL DEATH. There is no distinction, the only difference is you didn't have to harm the physical body to do it. Once you DIE you realize...THERE IS NOTHING TO FEAR and you are IMMORTAL. So notice the above I just mentioned....there is nothing else more important than this work. Once you realize how you influence your reality you can take accountability for how your thoughts and emotions influence it and take charge. You also are able to DROP YOUR VICTIM MENTALITY. How ARE YOU A VICTIM OF YOUR OWN MIND? ITS YOUR MIND!!! You also realize you cannot die, so your fears can start to fall away as you integrate this. So yes psychedelics are VERY APPLICABLE, there is NOTHING MORE APPLICABLE than Spirituality. Spirituality answers EVERY FREAKING QUESTION. It is the last stage in this game of life. Because its about dropping all the illusions that you are creating and you create MANY illusions. Oh and I use to be very into physical fitness, here is how I use to look back in my 20's. Physical Fitness, Money, Status, Women, all these goals and pursuits only give you small dopamine boosts...they don't fix your core issues which are always...based on self-love. When you can be at your lowest in those categories and still love yourself the same as if you were hitting on all cylinders then you have achieved emotional mastery and have truly awakened to the mind game of illusions you are creating.

Well - some of us are awakened and not chasing awakening with drugs. Some of us have had actual God Realization. The actual thing. This is not some BS science fiction dream world. The more he talks about far out crap the more it becomes evident that he is not awake. He can fumble around all he wants but in the end he will never become enlightened. Not ever. His ego will always prevent that. If he tries selflessness he might have a shot. But you can't try that - you have to be that. And I can't teach him that.

1. There is no correct way of saying evil, evil...literally does not exist. Reality...is an appearance out of NOTHING. This nothing is experienced through the sensations. Without sight, sound, taste, smell, touch, pain, thoughts, and emotion....there exists no life. This means that every act.....NEVER HAPPENED it is AN APPEARANCE of something happening. So explain to me how something is EVIL....if it never happened but instead ONLY APPEARED to happen. You don't exist, nothing exists so nothing is happening RIGHT NOW. Meaning= The belief of a me, which creates EVIL. When all distinction falls away...the realization that nothing ever happened is realized. So if nothing ever happened...where is the EVIL? This is why I said....you just awakened...you haven't fully grasped it yet. Only the EGO believes in MEANING. MEANING= Illusion/Delusion. Nothing wrong with that, because meaning is FUN. But the highest truth....is there is NO MEANING. Your POV which is relative is CREATING MEANING, and trust me....NO ONE POV.....has the TRUE MEANING. NOT ONE SINGLE POV. The biggest delusion...that many POV have.....is they believe that their POV has the TRUE MEANING. The reason that delusion is so hard to realize...is because it is housed in that which has NO MEANING. That is why the highest realization is the theme of life....is to drop ALL MEANING if you want to transcend this identity game. Otherwise you are just playing the dualistic identity game and deluding yourself which is your choice. Meaning= Identity= ME=EGO=BUYING IN TO DELUSION. Which is completely fine. Play with the illusion if you want too.

New Kind of Awakening: Infinity of Gods - Incomplete Notes (Main Insights) Lesson 1: See the God in "others" This means to recognize the divinity and highest potential of other people This means to see the good in others and the God in others that they themselves do not see This means to help other parts of myself to realize they are God, to realize they are me. This is Love. Application For each person in my life, on the news, people from my past, etc., point out at least 3 things that they do well, 3 strengths that they have, and 3 ways that they are good. Point out the good qualities you see in them and help them to achieve them. Give others the freedom to be themselves. Recognize and respect their own sovereignty and freedom. This means that paradoxically, I have to learn to respect and honor others who may want to be devils and who may not care about realizing they are God. I would be committing the same sin as religious people if I turn and force God-realization upon others as something that everyone should aspire to. Lesson 2: The Insight may be True but the Integration may be False This means that you may realize solipsism to be true, but the negative means and how the insights are integrated may be false. Attaching a negative meaning upon life being a dream is foolish because solipsism means that I am Love and I am connected to the infinite intelligence to life, whereas prior to awakening, I believed I was separate from life. Leo makes a good point that there is no reason to feel negative about being one and connected to life. The opposite should be true for being indoctrinated in materialistic worldview. The integration is as important as the realization. It could also be true that one could misunderstand the insight. If this happens, then false integration will be inevitable. Then, you will be living a bigger lie than before. This is evident by people who harm themselves over being hurt by the truth. If the truth makes you want to hurt yourself, then you are stuck in a deeper lie. Only falsehood makes people want to hurt themselves. Ideas of insights aren't the insight A true awakening moves you into more joy and love. It is kind of like pursuing your dreams. You will have initial fears, but on the other side of them is love and joy. If you haven't gone past your fears, then you are still stuck in the ego-mind, and thus, you haven't awakened to who you are because you are Love. Application Notice how negative meaning is constructed and wonder why. Why does it matter if I am all that is? Was I ever depressed that Santa Clause wasn't real? No. Realize that nothing really changes except for my interpretation and integration. If it is true, then it has always been the case; therefore, there is no need to suffer. After every insight, imagine and write down how I can integrate it through the highest love. If the insight isn't integrated with the intention of living and embodying the highest love, then the integration needs to be changed. Lesson 3: Trust your feelings/heart If you are stuck in solipsistic depression, take a break or you can question and analyze your methods. If your methods aren't making you happy, you are doing it wrong somewhere. "Heart is guiding you towards Love." Application: Go back to your drawing board and analyze where you went wrong if you aren't feeling love Be more intuitive in life. Follow the highest love. Lesson 4: Be aware of delusion Application Delusion is not exclusive to psychedelic drugs. Many people are deluded without them. Try to invalidate previous insights to try to prove them wrong. In other words, try to falsify it. If you cannot falsify it, then it may be absolutely true. You know you have had an awakening when you have 0% doubt. Don't be afraid to question your ideas. If you are afraid, then the ideas you hold may not be true. Follow the fear to awaken to love.

You're welcome and I also think it's quite accurate and needed to be said I'm glad this person was able to see through her male 'teacher' as well. His name is Igor Kufayev and I'm always surprised how others don't readily see through his massive ego such as his friend Rick Archer seems to be duped as well. Rick does many interviews with awakened people on his youtube channel 'buddha at the gas pump station'. But then again, I heard in an interview this Igor guy conveniently redefining enlightenment to mean that it's 'normal' for your ego to enlarge after enlightenment because that's how he experienced it, instead of being aware of the fact that he just had a glimpse and after that the structures of his ego came back full force *thinking* he's enlightened, lol. These men do need a reminder that enlightenment means or at least involves a permanent loss of ego, if not you may have had a glimpse but nothing more than that. Good points! Another red flag I can think of in relation to for example Igor Kufayev, is that I saw him talking while sitting on a chair (looked more like a throne) while his female devotees were sitting on the ground. A sign of Hierarchy over Cooperation or Equality. Thanks for the video, I'll check it out!

https://youtu.be/qn23B-Pj4gU "Spirituality, if it's authentic, is going to be something that unites us to something that pulls back the veils that we look through without even knowing that we're looking through them because they become habitual. We look through these veils and our perception stops at the distinction and uniqueness of things." "Even the world of awakening is a diverse world. The uniqueness of things prevails in any state we may be in." "One of my central tasks is to give voice to a universal human experience. I'm giving voice to what we all know, even if we don't know that we know it." "Teachings can pull you away from yourself, if you're not careful. You can be always searching for what some other teaching has defined for you as the goal, and it may or may not be yours." "Some of our best opportunities to transform comes through difficult and trying times in life. When we suffer enough, then we stop holding things so tightly. Often what we're holding onto is what never is to begin with. The most difficult thing in moments like that is letting go of the fantasy that never was. What actually is, or what actually was, that can be challenging enough, but what's even more challenging is what wasn't and what won't be. We can grab innocently onto some veiling of experience that makes it far more difficult, and the difficulty is having some sense of what wasn't or what won't be. Life is different than I thought it was. I'm different than I thought I was. You're different than I thought you were." "One thought believed sets heaven and earth infinitely apart." "Just be honest with yourself and your own thinking." "It's the truth that sets you free, not trying to maintain a particular experience. There is no such thing as the endlessly sustained experience." "One definition of enlightenment: it's the total harmonization of body, mind, and spirit." "Any kind of unveiling requires a radical ability to be totally honest with oneself." "What would it be if I spoke from the quiet place in me?" "Have the intention to have silence from the head: skylike and spacious; silence at the dimension of awakened mind. Down here, the level of the gut, is the silence in the real ground of being. It has a different quality; it has no spatial quality at all: it's something more rooted. And then here, the level of the heart, there's intimacy and connection. This is where we perceive unity from. We can have intimate encounters, if we're here. It's an intuitive attuning. When we feel connection, how we act and move and speak will flow out of our intimate connection. Lean into your heart. It's a little nervous, because it's intimate; it's a little revealing. Play with it. Experiment with it. What would it be to be in the silent intimacy of the heart walking down the sidewalk?" "That's what the human heart has to be willing to do: to be vulnerable. When the human heart gets connected with the spiritual heart, that's the part of you that's invulnerable." "The words aren't as important as the intimacy with which you're engaging. You're the benevolent presence that all that vulnerability needs." "What would it be like to act and move and do and relate from whatever your current version of the deeper place within you is? Start with the small stuff: washing the dishes, walking down the hallway, or encountering somebody outdoors that might need your ear for a couple of minutes." "I don't say this so anybody is overly aggrandizing themselves, because it's actually a humbling thing: the world needs you. It needs all of us. It needs each and every one of us. It needs anybody that's even endeavoring to be connected and to live from a place that's just a bit more connected. It's not just all an inside act."

That made me laugh because it's so accurate. @newbee Thank you, I'm glad that you shared this post! I find this quote from her post intresting- One of my favorite awakened women teachers, Vicki Woodyard (author of Bigger than The Sky, and A Guru in the Guest Room) recently openly declared that she is “really tired of the masculine approach to enlightenment and awakening. The masculine approach is sterile…men wake up and say, ‘I don’t have any problems.’ That’s just not true.” It’s not enough to have the super-chill experience of your absolute nature. That transcendent truth must marry the immanent. You can’t truly be holy without embracing the profane. One pole without the other is simply duality. The head and heart are both essential divinity portals for the emergence of the shift from ego to essence, or what Echart Tolle calls A New Earth. Adyashanti says it eloquently, “A quiet mind married to integrity of heart is the birth of wisdom.”

@newbee Fear only exists in the relative domain, which is illusory. In absolute truth, only nothingness / non duality "exists" although it is even beyond existence and non-existence. The nothingness is God. They are synonomous. Ultimately speaking God is all there is, and God is nothing. Fear and Love are a duality. Heaven and hell are a duality. Dualities ultimately do not exist. However the Nothingness we speak of here IS what true Love is. So ultimately Reality is pure Love. But pure Love without any contrast is simply nothing, and without fear as a contrast the meaning and the beauty of Love can not be realized. There are no awakened people. When awakening happens, people will dissappear, the illusion of people will be transcended. What remains is pure Love aka God aka Nothingness.

@Leo GuraBut how do you know you are awakened? What if you've imagined that stuff is imagined but it's not? @StarStruck True. I guess another one is, well, how do you explain someone having died and then come back to life for awhile and then people seeing them resurrect? And how do you explain that evil spirits are reported to have a negative reaction to religious things? You would think that evil spirits would have ZERO reaction to religious things if religion was fake and that it would have no power over them. How do you know that most of you on this forum aren't being invaded by evil spirits right now which is causing doubt that this is a possibility and they don't want you to think that way because they don't want you to believe because that is how they operate? Okay, I could say that someone coming back to life was witchcraft or that seeing someone being resurrected was a massive group hallucination. But then what, the priest and the people experiencing the evil spirits are hallucinating the entire time? I guess my thinking was like, if evil exists, love exists too and love exists via God and evil exists via Satan. I guess another one, why would people report being able to see angels and why would angels bother wanting to do good things and why would people report being able to see demonic things and why would people report them doing bad things? It could be that people who do evil things aren't necessarily low conscious or selfish but rather have demons leading the way. This could be possible and shouldn't be discarded as not if one was wanting to be studious and check out every possibility for reality possible. Another one is, do you find that you have hate and doubt inside for religious people and if so, could that be demons inspiring that hate? I guess for me, I was wanting to check out every possible paradigm for reality and was even writing a book and reading books about different paradigms and I was acting like each one at the time was absolutely true in order to do that and that is also how I got here... whereas if I would have explored this like it was fake the entire time, I wouldn't have gotten here at all.

Your critique I think is in sync with a blog post I just read from a woman who had a spontaneous awakening. It's an issue that many men (but also women, though more so men) have on this path to enlightenment and it is a good thing to address it I feel, because it's true. I'll copy/paste some paragraphs from her article. I'm sure it'll sound familiar : "Online forums and Facebook groups dedicated to endless debate about enlightenment, non-duality, advaita-vedanta, emptiness and more, are largely populated by men. And it’s men who are the most active participants in what often amounts to breast beating to prove who has the right answer or the most enlightened understanding." She further points out that a lot of these are 'stuck in the head' and she noticed two kinds of 'heady-awakenings': "The first is where someone has understood the concept of “no self” and then gone on to live their life as if this cognitive grasp equals true realization. This idea-based version of awakening is most common among online, male-dominated chat groups about enlightenment. (Yes, there are women there too…I’m just saying, it’s mostly guys). The second is the more rare case of folks who have been catapulted into the emptiness and get stuck there. Some call it Zen Sickness. It looks like apathy and indifference to any real engagement in reality. These sorts of men do show up in chat rooms online, but mostly to correct everyone by pointing out that “Nothing matters, nothing is real, there is no-one here, and so stop debating already.” I observed a lot of this type of behavior on this forum as well. Too much arrogance and not enough compassion, combined with a lot of insight is a sign of a person or people who had glimpses but are not awakened on a 24/7 basis. Also interesting what Adyashanti had to say about this: “Enlightenment does not mean one should disappear into the realm of transcendence. To be fixated in the absolute is simply the polar opposite of being fixated in the relative…. To awaken to the absolute view is profound and transformative, but to awaken from all fixed points of view is the birth of true nonduality. If emptiness cannot dance, it is not true emptiness. If moonlight does not flood the empty night sky and reflect in every drop of water, on every blade of grass, then you are only looking at your own empty dream. I say, “Wake up!” Then your heart will be flooded with a Love that you cannot contain.” That should serve as a good answer to those who insist on some absolute view such as "rape = love" and act like holding this insight is a sign of being awakened. It's another form of spiritual bypassing imo, to use an absolute truth against someone's personal truth. A truly enlightened person would prioritize showing/practicing compassion towards someone's personal experience/truth when needed as opposed to lecturing the person with some absolute truths, because they're not 'getting it'. Needless to say I do appreciate Leo's dedication and courage as an explorer of truth/reality, but I'd recommend him to become even more dedicated to checking in with his own self on how much he is actually living these truths in his day to day life, if being enlightened on a permanent basis is his true goal. Being the moderator of your own forum also serves as an amplifier of the ego and to become a teacher prematurely before becoming awakened 24/7 is unfortunately unhelpful as the audience they gain will only enlarge their ego and ironically stop true enlightenment in its tracks or make it a lot harder.

Interesting story from a guy, called Cornelius Christopher who was suicidal and eventually became awakened instead. He experienced a phenomenon physicists call a quantum superposition meaning two or more conflicted states / alternative realities existing at the exact same time and in the same space. There he observed his suicide from the past, present, and future, including the now moment. He discovered that there is no such thing as death as we know it when we physically die; only consciousness exists before it collapses into one of those realities. In his autobiography, Cornelius describes he had received many extraordinary gifts, including pure consciousness where he has no inner voice, chatter and no ego. he experiences pure silence all the time with no self-doubt and or ability to judge.

solid and worked criticism. many valid and real points. but I have many doubts about many things. first thing, the word "teacher" . For me Leo is not a teacher, he is a guy who delves into reality and explains his findings. These hints can be useful for you on your way. I guess if you take the course he's talking about, he'll be a teacher, but he's not for now. second, traditional spirituality. I have the feeling that absolutely no one frees himself from the trap of the ego through any school of traditional spirituality. this may be wrong, but I can't help but think so. As you say, the goal of spirituality is liberation, not knowledge, since you cannot know infinity. but maybe if you can understand it. one thing is to cover and another to understand its mechanics. more and more it seems to me that without understanding there is no liberation, and without psychedelics there is no understanding. psychedelics are essential to be able to delve into the structure of reality, to understand it and thus stop being trapped in the trap of the ego. For liberation there must be understanding, and in this Leo is the pioneer. no one else tries to understand or explain what they have understood. lastly, his unloving attitude. It seems that he is a rather lonely guy, not at all gregarious by nature, who despises everything that is belonging to a group, feeling accepted, etc. and that is very noticeable when interacting with him. It seems that he has the typical superiority complex of a smart nerd who did not feel accepted in childhood for other kids less smart than him. and that shows, it makes him a bit poisonous in interaction with people, the dumbs. but hey, that's his problem, no one is perfect. And i think it's an advantage. It keeps him far of the sectary temptation. if what we want is to free ourselves, his work is of enormous help. That's enough And 4, the environment in the forum. What do you expect? A group of truly awakened people? Not today. Maybe one day.

I'm creating this thread inspired by Leo's blog post on October 23rd, recent posts on this forum, Shinzen Young's writings, and books such as 1000 (Ramaji). Needless to say, different teachers and traditions talk about different (though possibly related) things when they talk about enlightenment, awakening and spiritual development. Therefore, it would be interesting to identify the most important dimensions of awakening and spiritual development claimed by different traditions. We could then ask: 1) Which practices allow you to progress most effectively along different dimensions? 2) Which dimensions might not be worth focusing on because others subsume them? These are some dimensions that I can come up with off the top of my head. I'm not claiming that this list is correct or complete. Some dimensions may be redundant. I don't necessarily agree with every item. I'm just trying to collect the claims made by various teachers and spiritual traditions. Increasing concentration. Increasing sensory clarity. Decreasing reactivity. Dismantling habituated patterns of behavior. Reducing suffering beyond that caused by reactivity. Increasing recognition of the constructed nature of the self. Increasing recognition of the constructed nature of phenomena. Increasing recognition of the nondual nature of experience. Increasing ability to rest in and live from more awakened levels of awareness. Increasing ability to embody and sustain positive states such as love and open-heartedness. Increasing recognition of consciousness as ultimate reality. Realizing God (this is specific to Leo). Interestingly, some teachers are supposedly highly developed along the most sophisticated dimensions yet are clearly deficient in others. Think of a meditation master who fully recognises nonduality but suffers from alcoholism. Which dimensions would you add or remove?

As quantum physics, non-dual teachings and, of course, you in your awakened state have figured out: reality is one thing connected to the center of your direct experience. Everything, even the slightest arbitrary bit of consciousness. And as I'm figuring this out bit by bit I feel helpless. What kills me the most is to see others "bad attitude" as a reflection of my lack of love and selflessness. On the other hand, others seem to be in paradise when I'm loving and selfless. But it always starts with my state. This gets so radical sometimes, that it's laughable. I hate to say it but: How can this feel fair? How am I supposed to bear the burden of being responsible for every consciousness in this entire planet. Most people seem bitter and depressed. (Because I am - of course). I don't have so much love for this massive pile of depression everywhere I look. I don't know how to tackle this. Especially if this direct consciousness gets even less ignorant. What way is there to gain so much love for this loveless life around me?

@Leo Gura Leo you are very interesting You are the most awakened The most intelligent Recently you achieved insanity and out insaned the insane and you are too sane working on being less sane @Tyler Robinson S tier means the best of the best in its class. No really a spiral thing

I'm open-minded towards what you say in your videos and understand that from your point of view you became fully conscious of reality and that's it for you. I will not try to argue that you're right or wrong. Here's my perspective, just for fun. Your teachings on deconstruction have a lot in common with Buddhist Madhyamaka philosophy. This philosophy says that all phenomena are "empty" of essence or substantiality and only exist in relation to other causes, conditions and conceptual designation. Applying this in meditation and contemplation ultimately leads to a complete deconstruction of conventional reality, which becomes "like a dream". Here's where things get interesting because there is a long-standing debate about the meaning of "emptiness". Some schools will say that if you deconstruct relative reality in this way, a truly existing ultimate reality shines forth. Dzogchen is one example of this approach. Your teachings come across like this, except that you made your discoveries independently. Other schools will say that even emptiness is empty. Everything is relative. In other words, you deconstruct even deconstruction, and the ultimate truth is emptiness. Instead of taking one philosophical position or the other, one can try to apply emptiness/deconstruction wisely. If you deconstruct too much, you may end up like Jed McKenna, nihilistic and closed off from the most wonderful possibilities. His books come across as fictional but perfectly exemplify this extreme. Opening up to a transcendental reality sounds much more appealing, but it brings a serious disadvantage to the practice. Paradoxically, making awakened awareness (infinite consciousness, God, whatever one calls it) into a thing in any way reintroduces a duality that gets in the way of ultimate realization. Here's my most optimistic theory about Leo's discoveries: maybe even the most advanced meditators cannot completely avoid the tiniest residual duality as above. However, it might be possible to quiet down the conceptual mind so completely with a combination of psychedelics and hardcore spiritual work in preparation that there is nothing to get in the way of ultimate reality. I don't have any reason to believe this is true, but it's the most charitable theory I can come up with for Leo's claims of unprecedented realization.

I would just like to say I empathize with self-shame regarding materialistic pursuits. Mine wasn't caused by Owen and I don't necessarily think yours was caused by him either possibly just awakened. This seems to be a strange feature of the human race. Most religious people have this where they think extramarital sex will cause them to literally burn in hell for eternity so I think you're not doing too bad. I don't actually understand where this is coming from but it's very deep in our psyche. I have huge self-doubts and overthinking when it comes to my motivations when it comes to things like masturbation, porn and money as well. It causes me to examine my thoughts and actions over and over again which is good because I try to choose the wisest path but it also comes with a lot of self-demonization and anxiety. I literally feel physical sensations as if my body was fighting against "negative energy." You're definitely not alone in this.

Since many people here are into psychedelics, I've decided share some of my early experiences with them. Although it is not a really a psychedelic I recommend it to people, if you really want to get a sense of what 'no self' is, salvia is the way to go. The issue is that this is an advanced and shocking psychedelic that can create traumatic trips for the uninitiated. This is definitely something your mind will resist experiencing. (unless you are highly awakened) A trip sitter is advised. Most other psychedelics do preserve the inherent sense of being a self to a degree. That illusion is rarely dispelled so completely. Salvia obviously doesn't FULLY represent what awakening is all about but I see a lot of people who have a big talk about how 'easy' no self is. Well, that entirely depends on the depth of the insight. I wouldn't say Salvia brings about the deepest insight into no self but it is definitely one of the more advanced and profound variations of no self. Be careful if you are going to try this psychedelic and personally, You shouldnt try it unless you already have some permanent awakening under your belt. Not only you go deeper that way but the experience leaves you empowered rather than traumatized. So if your friend offers you some salvia at a party, just say 'no' just in case ;)) Also, keep in mind that Salvia provides only a highly dysfunctional depth of no-self. Actual awakening will allow you to combine the depth of this insight with everyday life. It might sound crazy but this is why I recommend people to actually meditate rigorously. You'll start with baby steps and with time and practice, you'll mature your consciousness to such high levels. The fact of the matter is that if you want such high levels of understanding in general, you need to dedicate yourself to spirituality and integrate your entire life with contemplation and meditation. Otherwise, it will be impossible. Much love,

Irrelevant to the the point. There are many people like Sadhguru where there naturally shouldn't be. Sadhguru sometimes mentions how he can can simply look at a random person and they both suddenly "feel" each other's "energy" or "quality of consciousness", and are in shock of each other. Like meeting a fellow "awakened one". Even Leo talks about this in his Turquoise video, iirc. People can be at a level where they just radiate their Turquoiseness, where people start to gather around them from the energy they radiate. Simply having grown up in "the right kind of environment", as Carl was suggesting, isn't enough to account for this, I didn't. I was making the point that matters of the physical alone aren't enough to account for everything we see. Yes, but again that doesn't mean anything. Experiences are just that. I wasn't suggesting that souls are the reason for these differences, but that they could be one, in theory. It's an "unknown" why some people just don't seem to "fit" in a family, or are particularly drawn to some random/specific thing in their career or whatever. It being unknown means there are, for certain, variables which we haven't accounted for, meaning we can't rule out souls being one such variable. Specific reasons? You mean like ones we've measured with our modern day equipment? Well there is some indirect empirical evidence of this, by the monroe institute, such as proof of dimensions outside our own, which validate Robert Monroe's and Tom Campbell's accounts of their direct experiences, many of which suggest and/or confirm the existence of soul-like forms and their fundamental/ubiquitous nature across all realms of existence. But all that exists is your experience, so if it's not your experience it's not your truth and is impossible to really verify. If an alien knocked on your door, or if a famous scientist proclaimed that souls exist, none of that would really mean anything.

I reached a profound direct circuit to a spiritual tap that's indescribable for the most part. Everything became clear and each new day something equally surprising takes place. Meditation and prayer to a higher power of my understanding, is bittersweet as enlightened experiences have become front and center and uncontrollable. I surrender to the process of becoming aware of my surroundings seeing growth and corruption, creation and destruction, quantum physics and a fourth dimensional existence. God of my understanding began revealing outstanding diaplays of beauty and atrocity. Today I accept the moments of Knowing. I am able to see, hear and feel through senses that are not mine. God whispers through art, books, lyrics, poems, photos, movies, and indirect conversations to me. I am different. I am the awkwardly awakened yet confidence seeking Universal Solar Drop on Earth having no idea what I will see or hear each day, and completely obedient to this new found surge of power that created all I am. I call it God. In meditation I can spin incomprehensibly fast that it feels and appears like stillness. I see and am a bluish hue I can't place a color name on and hear a pitch so high it's silent. I have gone as God to homes to pray for those my human self resents. This last weekend I was watching myself walking into a curly spiral pedal in deep outdoor meditation. It's awesome and magnificent. God says, "I am you and you are me, you are them and they are you. Move, see, hear and be me as you." It is quite an awakening to deal with that I don't understand. I am no one special to the world. Leadership abilities, yes. I can and do lead in my little circle of life... The world is a big task I dont see taking on nor is the world really that welcoming or open minded for God's True Seed being born here again, especially as a female... I have been skimming different religions seeing the prophecy of me in them, however I am not prompted to enter or claim any denomination as my own. Rejection, isolation and despair would sink in at the first sign of doubt from others, it's a horrible feeling for me. I never asked for this Sight and certainly don't seek any fire from others as I express it anonymously. I found God in my own astronomical suffering and was relieved when I humbly asked to be. Zero religious influence, though it seems some religions have been waiting for me. Pareidolia is my reality. I hear and see God where others do not and experience visuals and sounds that are not taken in through my own eyes or ears. I am aware of sufferings around me others are not. Gifts from the universe find me daily now... A golden eagle's secondary left wing feather was lying on the ground the day of my birthday this year. Jehovahs Witnesses stopped by randomly for the first time to tell me about a Heavenly Mother and never returned... A bishop from LDS told me a South American would rise as the Savior after I asked about my experience, it frightened me and I haven't gone back yet for more clarity. I happen to be native Guarani. Last month, an Indian Hindi teacher came into my town and I scored a work trade to hear Ramji.... I realized Moksha is my present state. In February I asked google, "Phi at 27 years old" and an article about "me" popped up... I still can barely do basic mathematics though became completely motivated to read Einstein's and Telsa's work... dive into science and physics, trace history and piece together foreign languages. Stumbled upon internet programming instructions and following it was pretty simple. Began seeing children and adults trafficked, preditors in plain sight and uncovering modern day slavery. To be clear, I never ever asked for this Understanding and at times wish I could give it back, some days the "seeing" and "hearing" are unbearable and all I can do is hit my knees and pray. Please, this is only my experience for personal healing from life traumas.... if you wouldn't post negativity in response I'd appreciate it. There are such few safe places I get to share this enlightenment. Kindly, Solar Drop