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You may have already heard that advaita talks about oneness, the oneness of the existence that exists without a second; it says that this oneness is your true nature! But this is not a theory and not something that is meant to be just intellectually understood. This oneness is realized in one’s living experience which not only transforms you but also liberates you from all psychological bondages. I will give you a short introduction on Advaita Vedanta but will also let you know about some pitfalls that one can encounter if certain things are not understood. Before Advaita Vedanta is taught, the disciple is expected to develop four-fold qualifications called sadhana chatushtaya. I will also quickly go over them in this post. First, advaita (non-duality) doesn’t really have a contradiction with dvaita (duality). And there was a reason why various dvaita (dual)) schools emerged after Shankara’s time. What is usually described as advaita philosophy or the non-dual oneness is the fruit of the spiritual path. What is described as dvaita philosophy (the duality of God and devotee) is actually a path. In the beginning of bhakti, there is duality; but it always ends with non-dual oneness. In Advaita Vedanta, bhakti or devotion is considered as one of the means to purify oneself and develop sadhana chatushtaya or four-fold qualifications. But the problem with Advaita Vedanta is usually this: people directly go for the theory or the higher teachings in Vedanta without developing these four-fold qualifications. It is developing the four-fold qualifications that takes the most part of a person’s journey. This mere intellectual understanding sometimes results in pure arrogance with absolutely no transformation. When you tell someone that sounds like “You are God”, it is very likely that it will be misunderstood; the person may also forget his duties and become very careless; because from the perspective of Advaita, nothing really matters. But in practical life; everything matters. Even after realizing the truth in your experience, you still have to play the role in the real world. You would certainly live like a water drop on a lotus leaf, but the world still sees you as an individual bound to the obligations of the society. Advaita and Dvaita People like Ramanuja and Madhva who came after Shankara addressed the above mentioned problem. If you see the traditions in the world which see God and devotee as separate, you will notice that they all promise a place after death where they can live in God’s presence. We often hear vivid descriptions of vaikunta, paradise or heaven. This was just used as a trick or a social tool. To the general public, it was this teaching which was appropriate: develop loving devotion to God and surrender to him; after death, you can live with him forever. This was like tricking a child. By saying this, they can lure them into showing devotion. This in turns purifies the mind. According to the tradition, even if liberation is not possible for a person in this life, the spiritual development that he went through is carried forward to the next birth. There have been many places in the world where people were quite primitive and completely lacked any moral sense or obligation towards society. Just imagine a vast peninsula which has no empire, no state, no kings and no public laws. 5th century Saudi Arabia is one of them. Many people, as a reaction to how things have turned out in the name of Islam and how Muhammad’s life was described in Hadiths written down many decades after his death, have come to a conclusion that Muhammad was a power hungry warlord, who was just after power, women and sex. But that will contradict many things in Islam itself. Even the critics of Muhammad agree that Muhammad was a genius. Also, historians suggest that he was not illiterate as it is believed by Muslims. Muhammad also played tricks; he made compromises too. The idea of eternal hell was actually a social tool developed by Plato, a disciple of Socrates; it is not there in old Testament of Bible. Muhammad used this concept to discipline the people of Arabia. He was against female infanticide and many other social problems. Most importantly, Muhammad asserted that surrender or submission to one supreme God is the true form of worship. There was no concept of religion those days, even though people had various beliefs. People only had a concept called ‘deen’ which meant ‘the way of life”. Muhammad asserted that Islam or surrender to God is the right way of life or deen. Islam stands on five pillars which basically is: oneness of God and submission to God; 5 prayers a day which has different postures just like yoga, a way to convey submission and also to focus one’s attention; fasting for a whole month with an attitude of devotion and love; going on a sacred pilgrimage where various devotees from different races and places gather as a symbol of equality and charity to the poor. But Muslims later became too sensitive towards their faith; even though Muhammad improved the status quo of Arabia as per historians, he couldn’t improve it completely in his lifetime. So, only Sufi tradition preserved the original teachings more clearly, which the mainstream Islam rejects as heresy. Jesus also insisted that love towards God and love towards human beings are his two commandments. So the bottomline is devotion is one of the ways to purify oneself. And a personal God or a personification is required for it; this divine has to be one and not many, so that one can surrender to it. It is the same as prapanna as described in Gita. Apart from devotion, karma yoga, or doing one’s duties without attachment to the fruits of actions, also purifies the mind and develops the four-fold qualifications. Karma yoga is about focusing on the action rather than the result, on the present rather than the future; it teaches to develop love towards one’s actions and do the actions with focus and involvement, not with a mind that is daydreaming about the results. Pure Karma yoga produces states of flow quite effortlessly. Other sitting meditations and kundalini yoga also comes under karma yoga. Four-Fold Qualifications - Sadhana Chatushtaya So now you may ask; what are the fourfold qualifications that one should develop? 1). Shad-Sampat Out of those four, let us just see one for now, which is Shad-Sampat or six virtues. So this one among the fourfold qualifications is further divided into six: Sama: calmness of the mind; Dama: gaining control over the mind and senses. Uparati: The tendency to naturally drop certain conditioned behaviors and habits; for example, you may lose interest in certain habits. Titiksha - forbearance. Not getting too excited in pleasure and ability to withstand suffering. Sraddha - trust; This is a trust in spiritual path and see it as a working method; this trust naturally develops once you start feeling some changes in your mind and experience. Samadhana: Resolving all the internal conflicts so that you gain the ability to focus. The most practical way to go for is to first slowly develop these six virtues; don’t give any deadline. The practice has to be taken slowly and gradually so that you also live your social life in the meantime. For example, a person who starts with can first work on forbearance or titiksha. This means that whenever you go through suffering, you should go through it willingly since there is no choice and try to bear the suffering without getting too distressed about it. You can also develop shraddha, or a faith that you would be able to grow spiritually as the time goes by. Focused attention meditation that involves focusing on an object (like dhyana or shamata) can bring calmness to the mind and develop sama. It will also slowly develop dama or self-control. That is essentially about bringing the wandering mind under control without letting the mind distracted by sense objects. Uparati is something that would happen naturally when other virtues are developed. Samadhana is something you develop last. 2) Vairagya - Non-attachment The next thing in four-fold qualifications that I am going to explain is vairagya or non-attachment. Many people mistake that non-attachment is renouncing one’s possessions. But one can lead a normal worldly life and still develop non-attachment,. This is usually symbolized as a metaphor: one lives like the lotus leaf in water; even though the leaf resides in water, it doesn’t get wet or the water doesn’t stick to it. Vairagya also refers to a certain state of mind; To understand that we have to learn about a concept called ‘hedonic treadmill”. Hedonic treadmill theory is a psychological theory that states that regardless of the objective outcomes of lives such as success and failure, the experience of life always returns to a base-level happiness. Happiness never increases as time goes by; the base level happiness always remains the same but it keeps us in the hedonic treadmill, chasing for objective outcomes without actually reaching anywhere. This base-level happiness is a limited happiness and one is not satisfied with it. It is only self-realization or the realization of the truth about one’s own nature which can make the limited level of happiness to blossom fully, giving an individual the absolute sense of fulfillment and liberation. When one realizes that running on this hedonic treadmill is fruitless and is not interested in the objective outcomes, he has developed vairagya. Now one may ask, if one chooses to not to be interested in the objective outcomes, won’t he stop working or performing? No; this will increase the performance. Because it will actually make the karma yoga to mature. Since you are not interested in objective outcomes, you can be fully devoted to action, while doing your obligatory duties. As I said, flow states are very normal when one is in karma yoga; so actions actually give a sense of enjoyment at this point. 3. Mumuksutva - Desire for liberation Now you know that self-realization and the liberation that happens because of it while living is the only thing which will give you the absolute fulfilment. So, your concern shifts automatically from worldly desire to the desire for liberation. Your calm mind, non-attachment and the desire for liberation will make you more focused on the practice and also make you qualified to understand what Viveka is. It might have taken a few decades to reach up to this point. But there are exceptions, like people who get vairagya and mumuksutva in a very early age in life. 4. Viveka - Discrimination of the observer and observed. One need to realize something that is self-evident. You know the existence of anything because you are conscious of it. You know that a tree you see exists because it is a perception perceived by the consciousness. Consciousness is what that knows everything; that knows that this world exists. So, existence of anything is only known by the existence of consciousness. You are also aware of your own thoughts, emotions, subtle mental movements and mood changes as they float as the contents of your consciousness. When you see everything from a totally subjective perspective, you will see that this world itself appears as a perception in your consciousness; it is as if everything is happening within consciousness. It takes a great deal of objectivity to understand and develop viveka. Usually a human being is too attached to the concept of ‘me’ or ‘self, which gives him a sense of separation from the world. But when you develop non-attachment, it will be very easy to see this concept of little ‘me’ as an object of consciousness, which only appears to exist because the thoughts flow in the mind in a high speed. Just like a fan which is running in a high speed creates an illusion that there is a circle, the thoughts when moving fast gives a continuity and creates the illusion of self. But if you take a step back from your thoughts and just observe what they do, sometimes they may slow down and you may be able to silence your mind for a few seconds. In that few seconds, you would just exist as consciousness simply perceiving sense perceptions. You can now see that you are actually consciousness itself, and that the thoughts, emotions, body and everything you perceive in consciousness is not you; But consciousness, which is the true Self, is now identified with the body, mind and many other concepts like one’s beliefs, one’s nationality, one’s religion etc. It mistakes a selective part of what is observed as self. This idea of mistaking the body and mind as one’s self is avidya or root ignorance, which is considered as the root cause of all suffering. Since it is because of consciousness that the world is perceived, consciousness is seen more real than what appears on the consciousness. This consciousness or the pure awareness has no attributes and gives space for the life experience to occur and the perceptions to exist. Whether you are sleeping, dreaming or in a waking state, it is consciousness which pervades all these three! With this understanding you can inquire everything that happens in your consciousness and see that it is not you; because you as the pure awareness that observes a thought or emotion should be separate from what is observed. Since you can observe the thought, the thought is not you. This discrimination or clear identification of the observer or the pure awareness (the real you) and the objects of observation (thoughts, emotions, perceptions etc) is viveka. Now this may raise a question. Doesn’t Vedanta say that everything is one and there is no two? Doesn’t the discrimination of observer vs observed promote duality? No.. Actually, this discrimination is necessary to remove the attachments and the selective identification of consciousness with body, mind and certain mental concepts related to the egoic self (my beliefs, my religion, my country etc). The concept of oneness doesn’t have to be promoted as a teaching, belief or a philosophy. This is the reason some traditions do not talk about oneness or the absolute Brahman that exists without a second. It may actually confuse people at the earlier stages. Brahman is the same as your real self. Upanishads say prajnanam Brahman, which means consciousness is Brahman. You can imagine your consciousness as a screen and everything that is observed in consciousness as moving pictures on the screen, In a sense, the screen and the pictures are different; but the pictures do not have any independent existence on their own, So the picture part is called as maya and the screen part is brahman. But you need to understand that the screen can exist without picture. The pictures are just modifications of the same reality. You may see thousand men marching in a screen but the screen is one. But until or unless this oneness of Brahman becomes living experience, theoretical understanding of what is Brahman is of no use. When the final realization dawns, both observer and the observed is realized as one and the same; this is Advaita. If you want to really understand oneness, it has to start with developing sadhana chatushtaya first. The final stage of Vedantic path involves to be completely established as a witness or awareness; It is called as shakshibhava or nididhyasana. This is the same as mindfulness in Buddhism. It requires just being a witness and passive observer of everything that passes by in consciousness. You just let the mind happens by itself; you neither give force to the thoughts, emotions and subtle movements of mind nor suppress them. You simply let anything arise and pass away in your conscious experience. Your focus is more on silent gaps between thoughts and mental movements. these gaps keep increasing until the observer and observed converges and all the distinctions disappear, There are many other things taught in Advaita like karma and creation of the universe. But they are not really much important, Understanding karma helps, but many things can be learnt in the later stage. The only thing one can focus on as a starting point is to work on purifying one’s mind. I have explained more about Sadhana chatushtaya here: You can read my book “The Truth About Spiritual Enlightenment: Bridging Science, Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta” to learn more. Also read: Buddhism and Vedanta are the Same – A Detailed Comparison Shanmugam P's answer to What's the essence of non-duality?
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@CARDOZZO As much as I like and sometimes admire Daniel Schmachtenberger, I have to push back Based on SD stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types/traits, states of consciousness, ego development, other lines of development in one's life domains and societal domains, ideological upbringing and cutlure, and self biases and preferences formed in life. Already these developmental factors adds many layers of relativity and complexity that if you contextualize each bullet point immediately you'll know most of these points are unrealistic and impractical and sound airy fairy and idealistic. I will try to argue in good faith but expect that I might bad faith and fallacies here and there LOL. Imma try to address each point: Work, Integrity, Motivation, Capacity:(ASSUMING I GOT DA CAPACITY IN DA FIRST PLACE MAN!) “See the job, do the job, stay out of the misery.”( Needs further context to determine if this is true, because sometimes this justifies overworking and work abuse.) If a job needs doing, simply do it. No need to bemoan it, wish it wasn’t so, etc. All the suffering is optional. (Again, this point can be contested due to lack of context. Just because a job needs doing, needs doing, that doesn't mean it's unjustified to complain IF THAT JOB IS BEYOND YOUR CAPACITY. For example, it's reasonable to complain if you're given a job and task beyond your abilities, like trying to lift heavy weights and if you can you get salary cut or laid off.) If a job is worth doing, it’s worth doing well. Again, lack of context to this point, some jobs are better off cutting corners on. Excellence is its own reward. (Hate this, especially not contextualized as this can provide reason for lack of motivation for the results, otherwise why do the thing for it's own sake when you can benefit a bit more?) Do the right thing when nobody’s watching. (What does this mean then and what's the point if almost no one will give some credit, compensation or validation for your hard work? Again lacking context makes this argument point weak.) When running wire or pipe through the studs, he would make it beautiful before putting the drywall on. No one would ever see it. But he knew. Doing the best you can everywhere consistently affects you as a being. (Cool story bro). Get the big picture first. Then plan the work. Then implement. (However, this lacks context AND what if the reverse or other ordering of this sequence is possible?) When we would get to a worksite, or before cleaning something, he would put a ladder in the middle of the space, have me stand on the top, and turn slowly taking in the whole picture, and making a map in my head of where everything was, where it should be, what I would do first, etc. (Cool way of indoctrinating mapping your surroundings. How does this make a real man?) ‘How much weight can you lift?’ However much needs lifted. If you ask if you can do it, you might find the answer is no. If its important, just do it. (Needs context, see point 1). If you’re leading a team and anyone fails, you’re responsible. (This is assuming your in a team leader/leadership role in the first place, also what if you just have incompetent, and maybe intentionally sabotaging worker?) Is it your responsibility when the blame clearly is on the bad apple?) The leader takes responsibility for the project. And for its failures. The whole team participates in the credit of the successes. (Fair enough point, but lacks context again) The captain gets off of the boat last. (So ALL captains must go last? what if the captain leaves, but there was a few passengers not accounted for, does this negate the captain captain?) Do the initial work for free. Under promise and over deliver. Then sell the benefits of the competition/ alternatives. (High disagree, needs more context and assuming the free work, under promise and over deliver will not result in reasonable work abuse plus scammers at the end of the line ready to take your benefits of the competition. Bad point) Responsibility is king. If I have the ability to respond, it’s mine to do. (Assuming you're in a good place to respond without killing yourself, needs more context.) When you accomplish something significant, don't make a big deal out of it. Help others learn to do it. (Assuming you can benefit way more by being humble and not make a big deal of your accomplishments. Needs further context MAN!!!) Master the principle of leverage and apply it everywhere. Physically and metaphysically. (I agree, but still needs context) Learn how to use and make tools. Treat tools as extensions of yourself, which they are. (Okay bro.). You can generally accomplish more from behind the scenes, when people don’t know what you are doing. (Again, assuming you gain way more benefit by doing so plus NEEDS CONTEXT!) Leave every place and situation better than you found it. (Assuming you can, when in most cases you can't because others are involved too, and the world's a BITCH. PLUS NEEDS CONTEXT YO!) Orderliness is a quality of the unified field itself. Create order in any environment first. (Assuming the creating of order also doesn't destroy or cause chaos in other established orders as well. Also, MORE CONTEXT.) Courage, Power, and Conflict:(YEAH! SOME 50 LAWS OF POWER SHIT!) If you ever start a fight, Ill kick your ass. If someone is being hurt and you don’t protect them, Ill kick your ass. (Is that a love letter or a death threat? Assuming physical and skills to actually fight, and highly irresponsible advice. NEEDS CONTEXT, and what if the fight was justified and righteous anger?) The side of right always wins. Be on the side of right and don’t worry about the odds. (Until the side of right loses, because economics 101 of everyone can't be equally access to resources, which creates scarcity and the need to protect your own biases and preferences. Everyone thinks they're in the right, all assuming they're good, so which side is good exactly when good sides pave the roads to hell?) Don’t let fear of pain or death keep you from doing the right thing. (Okay dokey.) Most of the atrocities in the world have been committed by men. (And some by women, give them credit too yo.) Power must be in the service of all. (Assuming it will, until it's not, and LACKS CONTEXT AGAIN.) Abuse of power is the greatest crime. (What do you mean abuse? NEEDS CONTEXT) If someone is abusing power, over-power them. Do not allow bullies. (Assuming you can over power bullies, do I need to explain why this is stupid and needs context?) If everyone is running away from something, run towards it. If there is a real threat, someone needs to go deal with it. (Assuming you can deal with the threat yourself, and you don't mind dying and letting your family deal with your funeral costs LOL!) Let them throw the first punch. If they go for a second, do what you need to stop the violence. If you let it get to blows, you already failed. (LACKS CONTEXT. Also, what if the first punch knocks you out cold? That's why you need martial arts and Jeet Kune Do, you know, the way of the intercepting fist?) Use the minimum amount of force necessary to stop harm. Sometimes overwhelming force is necessary. Project force if needed to avoid violence. (I agree mostly, but NEEDS CONTEXT). Protect everyone from unnecessary pain wherever you can. (Until you put yourself and your family at risk, or NEEDS CONTEXT) When there was a mortally wounded animal, he would kill it rather than let it suffer. He would also do so where no one else needed to know about it. At a certain point, I went from one of the people he was protecting to learning how to kill painlessly, bury, share only what was needed, etc. (Played too much God Of War Ragnarok man. Fair enough point but still NEEDS CONTEXT). Be a protector and support to everyone. Walk on the outside of the street with everyone. Open everyone’s door. Be available to help anyone. (Until you cannot do that anymore, assuming you can and have resources to do this principle justice LOL! NEEDS MORE CONTEXT!) Relating to Women:(YEAH! SOME BETA MALE ALPHA MALE ADVICE!) The highest value for men is serving women, nature, and children (future generations). (BETA MALE! Assuming so many things plus NEEDS CONTEXT.) Worshiping at the altar – how to relate to going down on a woman. ( BETA MALE! But this I'll agree, assuming everything's working). Being in love is a choice. Choose it and cultivate it. (Okay bro) Don’t be controlled by attraction. There are many good reasons to be intimate with someone, only some of which involve attraction. (Until attraction controls you because your boner, erections and arousals are beyond your will powers mate. Also NEEDS CONTEXT otherwise REDPILLER!) Don’t hurt women. (Until they hurt your, or rape and torture your family I guess???). Never push for sex. Let her pursue. (BETA MALE! I think what is meant is don't be too codependent and needy, but just say that instead! LACKS CONTEXT AND COMMON SENSE!) If my boss or mentor call, tell them I’m sleeping. If your mom calls, wake me up. ( So ALPHA MALE! Until you get fired I guess. NEEDS MORE CONTEXT!). Mind, Education, Psyche: (NICE! SOME MENTAL MASTURBATION SHRINK PRINCIPLES!) The world is mostly crazy. Rethink everything for yourself from scratch. (TRUE! Like being a systemic thinker solves my sexy times. NEEDS CONTEXT) Traditional education and hyperspecialization is a way to make people subservient to the dominant paradigm/ system. Study the generalized principles of nature and be a deep generalist. (Until people start abusing your generalizations, and assuming manipulators and extremists won't benefit from abstract outrages.) If you don’t like the fact that the sky is blue, change your mind. Indulging suffering is a choice. (I like the blue sky, it's my favorite color). Be careful, cautious, and conscious. But not scared. Careful is different than fearful. (Okey dokey. Gotta love LACK OF CONTEXT) Jealousy is a type of mental illness – rid yourself of it. (Assuming jealousy like most emotions don't have a use, until they do. Agree but CONTEXT NEEDED!) When reading, look up every word and concept you don’t know. (TRUE!) What is real and what is obvious are usually not the same. See past the obvious to the real. (Until they just do, assuming psychosis may result if pursued too strongly. Also CONTEXT PLEASE) This too shall pass. (OKAY.) No one can actually own part of a celestial orb. Ownership is an illusion. (Until the moments you do feel you're owning something or some situation. Wait a minute, this contradicts past points, .plus NEEDS CONTEXT.) “All that I have done, you shall do and greater as well.” Be what the world needs. (Don't worry BRO, the world doesn't need you that much. I promise you, we get wiped out by nukes or asteroids YO, world's like fuck you humans time for cockroach insect boys or something. Also projecting human qualities to an object called earth, nice. and LACKS CONTEXT). Be cautious of ambition, it is generally selfish and misguided. (NEEDS CONTEXT MAN! Also, until ambition pays you off really well!) Wholeness is the most important word. Then integrity. (WHAT DA?!! But those two words are already within the whole...I don't know, NEEDS CONTEXT!) I am. Any other words that follow are not fully true. Don’t identify with them. (Until some people do, and also unavoidable as, in your words, tools are an extensions of yourself, therefore tool are YOU, unless you disagree? Then GIVE MORE CONTEXT!) Relating to People and the World:(LET'S BE KUMBAYA TOGETHER, THE GOOD THE BAD THE EVIL AND THE STRANGE PEOPLE ALL IN A MELTING POT!) Win-lose mentality is evil. Don’t ever celebrate people’s losses. Always celebrate their wins. (Until that mentality shows more benefit and gain, assuming also a person can segment this sequence out of order as evil and needs removval, but some people thrive and NEED this win-lose mentality to live. Also NEEDS CONTEXT) Respect wisdom, not authority. (Until wisdom leads to anti authority and anti mainstream BS I guess) I want you to surpass me in every way. And you will. That is evolution. And you will treat those you support the same way. (Agree) Spend time listening to old people. They are unique living libraries. (Agree, until they take away your valuable time and energy just talking LOL!) Spend time listening to kids – they are further ahead in evolutionary time. (Agree, until they start hating and trolling you I guess) Forgive people and help them do better. (Until they don't need help and reject your advances. Don't be a help pervert I guess) Don’t trust experts (mechanics, doctors, etc.) with vested interests. Learn the topic well enough to understand and check what they are saying. (Okay dokey I guess. Until expertise is needed or just fuck experts, cuz I don't know LACK OF CONTEXT!) Service is the most fun hobby. (Until it get's SUPER BORING!) Sunday mornings we would load the truck with mechanic tools and drive around finding people who were broken down (before cell phones) and fix their cars for them. Such a fun thing to do on a day off. (Cool story bro). Always tend to the animals first. (Until the bear socks you face off I guess.) Study the map of any new place you go. Always know how to navigate. (Tell that to Bobby Fischer, can't navigate NY for shit but greatest chess player of his time I guess plus CONTEXT!) Anticipate emergencies in new environments and create response plans. (I generally agree but until this creates more paranoia so watch out!) Be generous with everything you have: knowledge, money, resources, affection, etc. (Economics 101: EVERYONE CAN'T HAVE SAME ACCESS TO RESOURCES, SO UNTIL YOU HAVE ENOUGH ABUNDANCE AND RESOURCES YOURSELF, DON'T BE GENEROUS! ALSO CONTEXT MAN!) If either of us die, we know that we love each other, death doesn’t end love, and any issue is meaningless and already forgiven. (Cool story Romeo bro, I guess this is loving the death stones.) He talked with me about this a number of times. So I knew that if he died and our last conversation was an argument, it didn’t matter at all and only love remained. (TRUE! Don't ever ends things with bad taste, or I don't know NNNNNEEEEDDDDSSSSS CCCOOONNNTTTEEEXXXTTT!!!). So! The most important lesson to take away from, if your OP reading this, or anyone reading that's already an alpha and giga chad, you need to elaborate on your points a bit. No disrespect intended but if this was a debate and argument I win GG already. Always value context. Also, always know that this mega list most of these principles are very hard to live by and needs sometimes radical transformation I guess. Look after yourself first realistically and reasonably okay?
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Vibroverse replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I agree with you, and yes, i'm a believer of the law of attraction, even though i might have some nuanced differences about what it actually is from the common parlance. And i definitely agree with you about thinking positive thoughts. But what i'm trying to say is if you try to think positive thoughts while you're actually feeling negative within, then your attempts will just backfire on you. That's why i think surrendering to your inner silence is very important to experience a real transformation. -
Nothing much to say here, but this is straight tragic. This train derailment involved three separate trains (two crowded express passenger trains and one freight train) on a major rail line between Delhi, Chennai and Bangalore. This is a big deal as this rail line is one of the busiest in the nation, making it even more tragic. Something like this is equivalent to a derailment happening between two major cities in the US (NYC to Philly) or Europe (London to Paris). The only silver lining pjt of this is that hopefully there will be a new push for a complete transformation of infrastructure in the India.
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As she was moving from ward to ward of a hospital, she remarked: "this also is a temple with God's images. It is He who manifests in the shape of disease as well. In every one of these temples the gods and goddesses are giving darshan. The sense of want, of emptiness and one's true being are in exactly the same place - in fact, they are That and That alone. What is this sense of want and what is "true being"? He and nothing but He. For the simple reason that there is one single seed, which is the tree as well as the seed as well as all its various processes of transformation - truly the One alone. You attempt to appease want with want; hence want does not disappear, nor does the sense of want. When man awakens to the acute consciousness of this sense of want, only then does spiritual inquiry become genuine. You must bear in mind that only when the sense of want becomes the sense of the want of Self-knowledge, does the real Quest begin. Whether you call it the One, the Two, or the Infinite, whatever anyone may say, all is well.
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Shamanic breathing session Time: 20 minutes (last session was 30 minutes) Shadow material: Produced a *ugghhhh** type of sound when breathing and they lessend due to having slowly moved into it self-healing in that sense is powerful, I had full blown kriyas, so I know my stuff I stopped the session as to not get into something to deep as I noticed this deep self-control spectrum More energy that I could not really control reminded me of my kriya experience a couple years ago and it's pure joy about existence, also so not really shadow, I learned from the experience a lot. Golden shadow: Going with more advanced theory unsure if they come to fruition here Going to be wary of them I intutit lower self -> higher self purpose transformation, especially subtle energy this is how it feels Had a huge grin on my face after the session, as I loved my old higher self for beign disciplined and self-controlled Ngl I for sure got a kick out of making the hottest girl in class blush fully red, as she noticed the depth of my persence Ideally healthy self-control of dark masculine traits? (warrior etc, especially and king archetypal stuff) Process: Breathing near my scar gives a very odd experience, it feels like a smooth jagged ocean wave when the breath deepens Unsure if I am breathing correctly, I might record myself and compare it with Leo's take as I use his stuff the, other is to technical right now to learn and implement asap 30 minutes was to much today without guidance I would not go as deep currently Contrast to 3-2-1- process Feels less identity based and more energetically based, so the changes are not based on direct contact with the "encriptions..." of society. Stronger energetic component smoother integration instead of this constant identity shift with 3-2-1 and how fast I change with this, it feels subtler, yet not as effective, yet I get more to energetic type of shadow material, which is buried gold apparently
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Well hello again… I’m not forgetting my Journal, but I am trying to just be a little more. It’s been quite nice actually… I guess I can thank my dad again for this. I have been able to just be whom I want to be with him… he already does this as well… and I know I’ve said this but I thought he was looking to be happier, but he is already as happy as he wants to be… mostly because of his freedom. I’m still reviewing over my values each day… in fact I’ve already written out the definitions mostly by memory…. So I’m getting there. But this has helped me relax and just enjoy myself more in everything I’m involved in. I think I’m going to go ahead and write them again… using my memory of the definition. Spirituality: Personal transformation of consciousness to deepen understanding of unconditional love and infinite possibilities to be in unison with Universal authenticity. Right now this is more of a background system in my experience… this is constantly being a factor and mostly on the basis of unconditional love… As I watch my decisions I’m not judging myself but seeing how there is a part of me that wants to judge my actions or more of my inactions of expectations that i had placed on myself before. Just in general I’ve been very strict on myself the last five years and I’m finding that I want to break this habit of strictness…. The other value of playfulness is also assisting me at this time. Freedom: Personal authority to be instinctively myself at any given moment and available for Infinite Intelligence’s spontaneous attractions. This is more consciously in my for front lately… just really deciding almost moment by moment my actions depending on how I feel. And I’ve been allowing spontaneity in… I‘ve been more involved with my dad’s daily existence in his environment… so I’ve been taking the rounds with him to notice the progress of his fruit trees and plants. Help mow and found a ton of wild strawberries… and his strawberry patch is producing mature strawberries which are delicious. Unfortunately his bees did not make it through the winter… he had it out still to try to draw in possibly a new colony of bees, but it was attracting a large group of ants… so he wanted to go ahead and process the honey and the beeswax and pretty much start from scratch… he’s not going to move forward this summer but he’s preparing for another family of bees to come for next year. So we’ve never processed honey or beeswax before… lol.. without running water it’s been interesting and sticky… lol… but we’ve figured it out. I know he wants to ask me what to do as if I’ve had experience… i told him we can use Youtube and then just adjust as we see fit. I also found myself walking around town… I’ve been looking for some woods… the value of Nature has definitely been pulling to me and I knew I was going to find something I’m looking for and I finally found it. I had a friend ask if I wanted to play frisbee golf with him… and I had played once before years ago… but I joined him and it was the perfect spot that I’ve been looking for… it’s in the woods and there is 27 holes… it’s really been fun! I’ve been going almost everyday for a week now… sometimes twice a day… i just really enjoy being in the woods… we have a little creek that runs through town and through the course…so the noise of everything really satisfies me. I’ve been running into some old friends who also play and new people of interest… so it’s been nice.. I’ve been promoting to people as I visit different stores to see if the general public of the town knows this forest exists for the public to enjoy since there aren’t any other spots like this unless they have it on their private land. Consciousness: Intuitive acceptance and patient observing of personal and collective phenomena of the awe-inspiring perfection of Existence. These are all just working seamlessly together right now… having these in my awareness…a new hopefully programmed into my subconsciousness… I can really see a different approach to experiencing and this is definitely what I’ve been looking to change… I just didn’t know what it was exactly. But just like how I enjoy village life of people just enjoying themselves alone and with the community without having to feel an obligation to external pressures… I’ve been finding that here in my small hometown too. I’ve found people who are leading towards this style of living too which makes sense to me… and I also am speaking to people who are struggling with the external pressure…which I can definitely relate to.. and so it’s been beneficial for both of us to attract each other to have these conversation. Wellness: Optimal discerning open mind, sensuous fit body, and trustful spirit to be capable to engage completely and harmoniously with Consciousness. Keeping an open mind for me… has me think and explore different opportunities to share with others and even by myself… but the discernment comes to play almost spontaneously in a moment of decision… so the ideas float there as options…. Let’s say specifically with socializing… and then the discernment usually has me approaching differently based upon my current conversations with them. And then there are other times… where I think I’m not going to be expressing as much as I end up sharing because of the receptivity of some which I didn’t expect. This frisbee golf course is pretty hilly and it’s been giving me a really good work out. So I was sore after the first day but I just continue to go and walk it out and stretch a bit at home before and after… until my soreness works itself out… there’s been about two days now that I didn’t wake up sore so that’s a good sign. The trustful spirit is also trying to push itself into the forefront as well… I have to say I still am thinking of options I have… and really there’s no right or wrong option… so I just keep being patient with myself and allowing my spirit to be lead where it wants to right now… if that means just staying still or getting ready to move… either way… it’s what it is and I’ll be looking forward to what comes out of each day. Nature: sensuous stimulating experiences with various energies when aware of symbiotic relationships of the Universe which is beautiful, powerful and fulfilling. Oh man the woods have been huge for me. Again the sounds in the woods just really seem healing or enjoyable… the sounds of the wind blowing the leaves and plants… the dancing of the plants and trees with the wind… the sounds of the water… and sight of cottonwood floating and hovering in the wind and landing on the water and have it’s rhythm change now flowing with the current. The birds, squirrels and the bunnies everywhere… and actually not just in the forest I’ve been spotting them in different locations as I’m walking around town. But I love spotting them. I spotted a little frog and got a video of him… I’ve heard a few of them around the creek but only see there after ripple of them jumping in… but this little guy was away from the water and I happen to see his movement when playing. I explore a bit to see what it was… and there was this little frog covered in cottonwood so blended right in to the ground. I took a video of him and he wiped off the cottonwood on his face so i could get a better look at his beauty… hehe… he was pretty cute. The course was actually built on the old landfill… so if there wasn’t so many shattered glass everywhere… it would be nice to walk around barefoot but I do that a little around the house. But I have been noticing just the interactions with human nature too. It’s been very fulfilling to find conversations with people who are really close to my definition of the value of Family. Again everything is flowing quite nicely together… And I’m thankful I took the time to review my Values to change my mindset or upgrade it really to where I’m at now and what I’m attracting into my experience. Learning: Process for curiosity to explore, discover, and significantly integrate new or deepening insights and experiences to contribute to inclusive applications. Lol… learning to accept how much my self wants to relax, rest and have meaningful conversations… I’m not even sure if meaningful conversations is accurate… but just the joy of having more relaxed conversations and wherever that leads has been enjoyable. I know I’ve always enjoyed talking to most of the people I spend time with here in Indiana… and it’s funny when I hear someone say or refer to themselves as from this small town or from this state as if its unexpected to be spiritually progressive… and it’s makes me chuckle because I have found that to be true for awhile now… but honestly we’re found everywhere… and I’m loving the opportunities to attract them into my experience. I’m also still having running conversations about ceremony with guests… they’ve been vastly different in approach… well all I know I”m vastly different with it comes to patience and discernment… so I’m continue to prepare myself. I know that when I was sharing ceremony in the past I usually had to evolve from people and environment… so I know that’s the case this time around too… and so I”m trying to stay open to approach in ways that I’m not used to doing.. but also I know I’ve tried many things already and found things that just don’t work as well as others… so being honest with my recommendations but also having people collaborate in how to setup the ceremony. Playfulness: Aspiring to attract ecstatic experiences where the focus is on laughter, easygoingness, quirkiness, and cooperation. This has been more in my awareness and it’s been helping me a lot to relax and not be so intense… lol… I say that and I think in general I have a good equilibrium in this.. but i also know that there will be these sudden moments where it’s off the hook… lol… at least in my opinion of it.. and the easygoingness has really helped which does lead to more laughter and allowing my quirkiness to be shared and everyone enjoying each other. I mean it all started with downloading the Boggle game… I’ve downloaded more… and it’s been years since I’ve allowed myself to play games online… and even watching more tv with my dad to bond. Again I’ve just been strict and right now… I just want to play a lot more and not take things so seriously. It’s been nice. Creativity: Courageous attempts to expand imagination by combing intelligence, memory, insight, and Source. This surprisingly enough to me is probably where I’m not as focused on… creativity usually is something that drives me… I’ve packed most of my arts and crafts away so I haven’t been creating in that manner. There are things I’m trying to manifest which is attempts of expanding my imagination… yeah that has probably been the trickiest as of late… but I’m patient to see where it leads and I’m confident that things float and exist but once it manifests… it’s only the beginning to another manifestation being created. Communication: Amalgamation of authentic expressions of emotions and thoughts, observing subtleties, and active reciprocal engagements to connect in shared experience. Communication has been easier it seems… and I really believe it’s because I’m attracting people who want to communicate well too. It’s always nice when at the end of the conversation there’s a mutual agreement that the communication and time shared was beneficial and rewarding to all parties involved. Family: Inspirational desire to connect intimately by receptivity, honesty, acceptance, and devotion to creating supportive energies and synergetic experiences. This right here has been really great. There’s family everywhere… even though we might not share the same definition or label… to be able to find family in any form is very very satisfying… and being able to open myself more to the possibilities and the blood family I absolutely adore are not ready to actually be this type of definition of family… that it’s ok… I find family and I’m patient for family to realize what family means… lol… But yes… resetting and reviewing and reprogramming my values has really been useful. And I just wanted to come back and check in… I”m not trying to completely dismiss this Journalling process… I’m just being more discerning as to what I’m sharing right now. When I was purging… it was necessary, but it’s not necessary at this point… and I’m just wanting to free to be.
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Nope that does not work. I have been with an amazing girl for 4 years and after 1 year and a half I had my first awakening. The point is that now she is very interested and after some psychedelic experiences she is definetely more open but it's just not her time. Be careful not to fall on this trap of everyone should be conscious and I'm here to help people evolve. Everyone is in their journey, assist them in their own journey, don't try to inject your values into other people. By your own transformation, energy and sex, she will be more open. Psychedelics are key in this procces to help them have a point of reference to what you experience daily. WIthout point of reference you are fucked up really. It's very important that she has a point of reference of what you are doing but beyond that, it's her life and soul journey.
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It really does seem to be the case that if progressives want the level of transformation they seek for our country then we really are going to need have: 1. The supermajorities of liberals/progressives that presidents TR, WW, FDR, and FBJ had. 2. Much greater political bipartisanship consensus and unified political climate that TR, WW, FDR, and FBJ had. 3. Historic levels of violence in our country like in the Civil War, Gilded Age, Great Depression, and Civil Rights movement. 4. Extremely powerful nonviolent mass protests and civil disobedience like the Civil Rights movement or Abolition movement. 5. Liberal/progressive media outlets with political influence that rivals or surpasses all of the right-wing echo-chambers in America. Plus, for extra push, we could use another brilliant and charismatic liberal/progressive president who is not too deep in the pockets of their corporate donors. With the BLM riots, abnormal levels of mass shootings, occasional racial unrest, growing anger and resentment over the growing economic inequality problem in our country, increasing amount of calls for tackling climate change, it really is looking more and more like widespread riots in America are inevitable. I wonder how we should all prepare for that.
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Massive transformation comes slowly. What else do you suggest? As you can clearly see, Progressives are not having many political victories. Yelling about it won't change it. The bottom line is that Progressives expect too much too fast.
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Water by the River replied to Razard86's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Really Inspiring. Bon voyage on your path, that will walk itself soon enough all by itself, just following the bliss of its own essence. The Path showing itself to itself, after having won the grace of your True Nature. Some day, there will no one walking this path anymore. The path will become the unfolding of Infinite Reality itself. A Reality so wonderful expressing itself in every moment that no interference will ever be necessary again, or even possible again.... The states that can be achieved by meditation and energetic techniques are real and very powerful with enough practice. Most people get quite serious when they see that: The awakened states of for example infinite Nonduality, or Real Impersonal No-Self - Impersonal Infinite Consciousness Suchness, do have their impacts on the brainwaves, and for sure for the body-own Endo-Huasca-System producing a cocktail of body-endogenous Psychedelics: https://dmtquest.org/endohuasca-magic/ How else to explain the powerful infinite nondual awakened states achieveable by Psychedelics can be had with meditation and energetic practices, and which are so similiar to the Psychedelic experiences? Yes. Because it is a stage that has been earned by transformation and transcendence. States that have become permanent as stages. Going from states, to plateaus, to very permanent stages. And the remaining self doing these practices gets more and more refined. Pure. Impersonal. Empty. Transcendal. Not the remains of a separate ego/self, switched on and off by psychedelics, but never fully gone. The remains hindering the Full Realization in daily life, and are also projected on Infinite Consciousness during the trip, disfiguring its pure empty impersonal nature. So some lense always remain that prevent the final deep shift of Full Enlightenment. Ken Wilber: "The downside comes with people that only use psychedelics or drugs. And I found that over the years they just become mean it's somehow I just kind of closes them down. Its like you keep doing it and you keep doing it you keep doing and it doesn't quite cause the transformation. It can cause a peak experience but generally not a transformative experience and some people like David Deida will say that in order for altered changes of state to contribute to transformationpermit transformation it has to be basically endogenous not exogenous. It has to be has your own source. The people that do use both [psychedelics and meditation] and use it as a sacrament I think an enormous bit out of it. " Anybody ever wondered why that is? That Spirit/Infinite Reality prevents the crossing over through the Gateless Gate to Full Enlightenment if the soul is not purified enough, the separate-self/ego-illusion emptied out and transcended completely, all deaths died, all illusions gone? Maybe it is not a bug, but a deep deep feature? If we admit Infinite Intelligence to Infinite Reality, maybe Infinite Reality demands and requires giving up and transcending certain last subtle lenses also, letting the Illusion of separation fully die? And a high degree of compassion and some kind of Boddhisattva-vow? Because Infinite Reality itself IS Love? A fundamental archetype of manifestation, of essence? Sounds familiar and resonates? This combination of Transcendence and love is a deep structure of all spiritual systems of all ages. Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj — 'Love says 'I am everything.' Wisdom says 'I am nothing.' Between the two, my life flows.' Water by the River -
thenondualtankie replied to Razard86's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Leo, I'm curious, what the F is your roadmap for turning America into a conscious country? Just to vote in more Bidens? I agree with you that the Republicans are way worse, but it's still really shocking to me that you're giving the Dems this much credit. Do you not agree that America needs massive transformation? -
Alright… so i went through the values assessment again… I’d have to admit that it went quicker than the first time, but also I had a better idea of how valuable this process is and I know there has been big changes since the last time I went through the life purpose course, but it was very helpful and I can see that I have deeper understanding to the labels… its a little funny that I my definitions got longer… lol… still working on being concise lol… but I’m ok with it so here’s my new list: 1. Spirituality: Personal transformation of consciousness by deepening understanding of unconditional Love and infinite possibilities to be in unison of Universal authenticity 2. Freedom: Personal authority to be instinctively myself at any given moment and available for Infinite Intelligence’s spontaneous attractions. 3. Consciousness: Intuitive acceptance and patient observation of personal and collective phenomena of the awe-inspiring perfection of Existence. 4. Wellness: Optimal discerning open mind, sensuous fit body, and trustful spirit to be capable to engage completely and harmoniously with Consciousness. 5. Nature: Sensuous stimulation experience from various energies when aware of symbiotic relationships of the Universe which is beautiful, powerful, and fulfilling. 6. Learning: Process for curiosity to explore, discover, and significantly integrate new or deeper insights and experiences to contribute towards inclusive applications. 7. Playfulness: Aspiration to attract ecstatic experiences where the emphasis is on laughter, easygoingness, quirkiness, and cooperation. 8. Creativity: Courageous attempts to expand imagination with multiple innovative solutions by combining intelligence, memory, emotions, intuition, and Source. 9. Communication: Amalgamation of sharing authentic expressions of emotions and thoughts, observing subtleties, and active reciprocal engagement to connect in shared experiences. 10. Family: Inspirational desire to connect intimately by receptivity, honesty, acceptance, and devotion to create supportive energies and synergetic experiences. I’m going to go ahead and list my top five strengths again so I have things updated. I did not do another pass with this because this usually is constant and I still find these are true for me personally.. 1. Creativity, ingenuity, and originality: Thinking in new ways to do things is a crucial part of who you are. You are never content we’re doing something to conventional way if a better way is possible. 2. Zest, enthusiasm, and energy: Regardless of what you do, you approach with excitement and energy. You never do anything halfway or half hearted. For you life is an adventure. 3. Hope optimism and future minded: You expect the best in the future and you work to achieve it. You believe that the future is something that you can control. 4. Curiosity and interest in the world: You are curious about everything you are always asking questions and you find all subjects and topics fascinating. You like exploring and discovery. 5. Appreciation of beauty and excellence: You notice and appreciate beauty, excellence, and or skilled performance in all domains in life from nature to art to mathematics to science to every day experiences. I did find it interesting when I was prioritizing the values list… I know I was wanting to logically place them but when I went through the passes to see where they really rank from me.. the biggest switch was the “playfulness” Originally I had thought this would be the last on my list… but when I really thought about it and used my gut… I jumped it up to 7 which was a pretty significant change. For the last few years I had a focus on Awakening and I took it very seriously. But the manner I was doing it was a contradiction… lol… I’m learning how to be happier in any given moment, but I placed seriousness higher then laughter… and that just doesn’t seem like it’s the right approach for me now. Even when I am thinking about sharing ceremony… I absolutely love sharing but I also find myself taking it seriously with who I share ceremony with… I know it’s beneficial to be discerning, but I also need to lighten up a bit about it… lol… and even though it’s important in my opinion doesn’t mean that we can’t be playful with it too… not careless or destructive, but playful… I’ve had so many times of ecstatic experiences in ceremony… also so much love and patience… I’d prefer to embody that more… ceremony hasn’t been so serious and strict with me and I don’t need to be that way to myself or anyone I share with. I think I’m going to go ahead and reach out to one of the guys I’ve been talking with to see if he’s available for this weekend. I’m not sure what will be most comfortable for him on the location. I can definitely offer my space but honestly I haven’t been able to really visit with his wife yet who is apprehensive for him to participate. It’s odd for me, because it seems like he already chooses to participate in psychedelics at times… definitely not on a regular. Basis… he has taken DMT before but only twice with a year between… so I guess I’m not sure what the difference would be to introduce a ceremonial setting to this process. We briefly met and she seemed very sweet and the children were sweet and funny… actually a few of them noticed how much they enjoyed my energy and wanted me to continue to visit and hangout… lol… i do enjoy youthful energy and so it’s easy for me to connect to them. But anyway… tomorrow I’ll reach out to start planning on getting this rolling. I did have another Bufo ceremony when I took time away from Journaling. It was beautiful like it normally is… and it’s fun to see where it goes. This time was another focus on my little buddy Elvis. It’s really amazing to see how he responds and how I responde to him in ceremony… I can see he wants badly to relax and trust me, but then I can see the struggle that he goes through too… but when we share ceremony together… we really able to spend that time deepening our connection together. In this time here at my dad’s place… I can see a lot of improvement when it comes to him trusting and wanting to receive love more… which makes me happy. I’m not sure how I feel about the whole protectiveness towards the other cats… I know it’s healthy for him not being scared or cower to the cat, but it’s unusual to see him being so aggressive at times. I know we’re going to work more on getting him to the point to be more comfortable around other animals… he’s already getting better with my dad too… lol… he really seems to want my dad to give him attention and affection… it’s really funny because he talking in an unusual manner and i think it makes my dad uncomfortable… lol… I think my dad thinks Elvis could hurt him at any moment… lol.. and it’s not like he’ll be able to hurt him too much… but I’m used to getting a few scratches… he doesn’t like to be held so he jumps away which causes scratches… i grew up with dogs and I liked to get them playing and being a little rowdy… and so I tend to do that with my cats too… and so there’s some scratches from there too… but just like dogs.. I let them know what’s acceptable which is playful and when it goes too far… but again it’s a work in progress. There’s another guy who wants ceremony but I’d like to have another opportunity to chat with him… he’s got a lot of moving parts in his schedule so we’re trying to find a time together… he said he’d like to invite me to dinner and I said that’s fine… I’ve been taking long walks lately… maybe we can just do that too… but we’ll see how that falls into play. ANd there was a third guy who I’m still interested in sharing ceremony with… but I think there’s going to be another time to hangout again… there’s a little residue that seems sexual and I’m trying to get that taken care of before we go into ceremony. He’s suggested going on a hike somewhere and so I might try to find out what can be done this weekend… I’d like to either have ceremony or go hiking or camping… really… if we went camping then I can see sharing ceremony because it’s just hard to not take advantage of sharing Nature’s energy especially during ceremony when it seems to appreciation is amplified. I’m not sure what’s going on with my schedule of sleep right now… it just seems to get pushed back later and later… lol… literally maybe the last five days I haven’t been going to sleep until noon… that’s pretty crazy… I haven’t had this schedule before…and honestly I don’t really want to continue this… but I have to admit that I do like all this alone time if that makes any sense. I have a lot of alone time, but it feels like it’s different when everything around is silent. Ok… this is good for now… until next time.
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What did you do exactly? I am looking for self improvement ideas in untapped markets so anything is welcome Well imagine you knew a girl in your social circle or at work or from hobbies etc and you did not think much of her. Now she does a surgery or looses a lot of weight (if she was overweight) or workouts a lot etc and now she is suddenly quite hot to you. You feel this desire to date her and be with her based on the transformation. I am sure it has happened to many guys including myself at least once with a girl and we find it quite ok. However the girl might feel just like you are feeling right now. Do not take it personally.
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Water by the River replied to Razard86's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
To awaken is definitely not just the "acceptance of Truth" (a concept), as you literally write in the quote above. Awakening is a change in state, for example the visual field getting nondual and infinite, and the "externalness" and "solidity" is replaced with unity and mere appearance. Along with this unmistakenable state-change there is a change in brainwaves, for example more gamma-activity. And its a change in self-identity, towards the "subject" becoming more empty/nothing/transcending. If one changes these states (for example nondual) often and long enough, these states tend to get permanent (transformation), supported by a more empty self-identity, until at one point one is both Nothing/Nothingness, and everything, the infinite nondual field. But what Awakening definitely not is: Just a change in the way of thinking, just a change in the way which concepts are used, and promoting these concepts (for example Solipsism) in an agressive way, and declaring awakening is just believing/accepting these concepts/ an "acceptance" of truth. That is what you are doing, and selling/promoting. Or where is your call to actually do the work, practice and meditate, and really transcend the separate self? Not just a call for different thinking and concepts (Solipsism,...), but an actual practice to induce these awakened states? Most of what I see you doing is promoting certain conceptual concepts/ideas/worldviews (mainly circling solipsictic concepts/worldviews), and harshly attacking anybody who has different concepts/worldviews. How is that different from what all other "nonspiritual" people are doing anyways? Defending their conceptual world-views, and attacking anybody who thinks differently in more or less open or subtle way, because its a threat to their own ego? A change in thinking/concepts is easy, everybody can do it. But if one doesn't have the corresponding awakened nondual states on which these changes of identity are based on, one is just doing wishful conceptual thinking. Replacing one ego/worldview with another, a horizontal move, not a vertical transformation of transcending the separate self. And that transcending is way harder than to just change ones thinking/separate-self/ego-concept. It means to sit down and practice for a long time (in whatever way, for example meditation) to actually induce these states of awakening. And these states then transform ones identity on a deep level. Selling Water by the River -
I've been reviewing my notes. It is mostly from RSD. Owen's at home program gives a great overview of all the principles you need to be successful. There are 5 overarchcing principles according to RSD: Presence (RSD transformation is another program which helps you to become more present) Clearity of intention (no specific program on principle but it is mostly about power versus force) Strength of reality (RSD high vibe deals with this by setting right frames) Entitlement (RSD Charisma deals with this) Self entertainment (no specific program because it is straight forward) What do you guys think is the most important? I listed the principles from most important to least important. In my opinion presence is everything and everything flows from that. If you don't have presence, the other principles won't hit.
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Water by the River replied to AlexNonymous6's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
DMT Quest has made two books and several fascinating videos. https://dmtquest.org/questions-for-the-lion-tamer-1/ and It is really fascinating stuff, that can explain a lot of other phenomena in an integral way. Among other things, they postulate that the Endohuasca-system is triggered by a) Meditation https://dmtquest.org/meditation-hypnosis/ Get Gamma-frequency of the brain up, and the endohuasca-system probably starts flowing.... In Ken Wilbers system, subjective states (Upper Left Quadrant) have correlates in the body (Upper Right Quadrant), and vice-versa. Causing positive feedback-loops, increasing lucidity and nonduality, bliss and so on. The transformation of the whole self/identity, in stages, making states permanent.... Principle: States are free, stages are earned. When the mindstream conforms to the requirements of these systems, stabilizing and enlightened mind-stream. Daniel Brown did a study with his "Pointing out the Great Way" students and a advanced Brainscanner. Result: Gamma-waves boosted to the max.... Maybe helps to take transforming the baseline state via meditation to "trippy"-levels more serious... b) Dark Retreat (The Tibetans do it for 100s of years, several other tribes do it, tends to induce visions. Some kind melatonin-pineal-gland.connection). c) Special Breathing (Wim Hoefer, Holotropic Breathing, Tummo, ...) d) Other stuff (Near Death experiences, cancer in certain areas of the brain (pineal gland), Kundalini, ...). trigger the body-endohuasca-system. Some meditation-states, especially advanced ones once stabilized in daily life (post-samadhi), or hardcore pillow-meditation-states, are quite "trippy" and (1) change the visual field towards "not external/nondual", "lucid,vivid,bright, groundless mere appearance, Nothingness as its essence, "hovering" in Infinite Nothingness". (2) kill the localization sensation of being in the body, making one no longer localized in the infinite field, but being the unbounded wholeness of Reality. (3) And bliss. Ken Wilbers once linked that drug addicts of Heroin get previews to the bliss of certain meditative states, and of course get addicted to that. Although I have never tried Heroin and am not so stupid to try, in my experience I can confirm (1) (2) and (3). And having these states in place, it becomes possible to intuit and realize what is aware of the whole Enchilada, being also its essence: Nothingness. Perceptions perceiving themselves. Ones True Identity. There are definitely bodily/energetic/chemical changes going on in these transformations or stabilizing these states as stages. The two books are actually a good reading for everyone belittling meditation and the permanent and deep transformations possible (@Breakingthewall, I know you don't and are open. I just write in general, as always). The states induced by psychedelics that are ripping ones heart open to Infinite Love, bathing ones sould and being in heavenly bliss, and opening the separate self contraction to the Infinite, are also available to the body by endogenous means. Or else, how would the stereotypical enlightened one with a halo depicted around the head "oozing" bliss "work"? Auto-Suggestion? The receptors in the body are there anyway, else psychedelics wouldn't work. Just add a system where an enlightened mindstream (empty, fast enough to spot separate-self-arisings, very high Gamma/Delta-waves/meditation states) triggers the body-Endohuasca-system, and one has hypothesized a possible mechanism growing and transforming baseline-consciousness to the Infinite. A system that could explain the manifestation of the potential of the human being, ranging from atom-molecule-animal-primate-human to Infinite Being/True Identity, ACTUALIZED on a permanent and stable basis. Certainly not boosting trippy states to the " stratosphere" where one can no longer "walk straight", but a lovely way to life ones life... ACTUALIZED sounds (at least to me) more like: Realized ones potential, like in "permanently". Not only for the trip, and then again with the next trip... That would be "actualized temporarily...." And of course "Exo"-Huasca of course also works.... Selling Water by the River -
Yimpa replied to Aaron p's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
What’s important is this: what we hate is precisely ourselves It’s crystal clear that we’re perpetuating this cycle of abuse within our own constructed identity. Nothing else is doing this, nor are there others to be doing this to. The way towards unity and selflessness is complete surrender and acceptance of ourselves, even that which we hold as wrong. This isn’t something you discover one day and problem solved… love reveals aspects of yourself that you were previously unaware of the more you open up, as you’re doing now. There seems to be an incompatibility for the ego state to be absolute. However, I’d invite you to consider that reality has no conditions, while simultaneously including them. Self-healing through mystical means is not about getting rid of attachment (though it may appear to be that way). It’s about becoming directly conscious of what attachment fundamentally is. This understanding, gradually integrated, will spark the transformation which you seek. Yes, this sounds impossible, but if that were really the case, how the duck is ANY of this possible??? Love is the answer. In other words, you are the answer. -
I was thinking about the illusory nature of knowledge. In reality, there is nothing to obtain, because everything is complete. There is nothing to learn or to become, there is just being. I think this has made sense with my "transformation". I didn't become knowledgeable about god, I already knew I was god, but I wasn't aware of it. The only way to grow is to be destroyed in some form. I think this is because there is nothing in reality to grow or destroy. You are infinitely changing shape but not substance. Would love to hear your thoughts. Peace.
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ZoweeZoe replied to ZoweeZoe's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
There is nothing to realize. It's a tricky game and why some people go completely mad during the process. The nature of things is paradoxical and ever evolving. Thus, we cannot grasp the realization of god through any tangible means in this physical universe, because the physical is the immaterial and vice versa. Rather, we must pass through the underworld into the world of forms to become self actualized. The world of forms is simultaneously unformed. There is no wrong path to awakening/enlightenment/whatever you would like to call it. There are only right paths that are wrong. The actualization of the self is a transformation within from which it isn't. Some paths "take longer" (although time doesn't work in the way we imagine it) than others. We cannot do anything to reach enlightenment because you are already enlightened, you are already eternal, and you are all knowing in your unknowingness. Let your ego float down the stream which is our universal force of chaos and you will become ordered. Flow down the river of the force of order and you will become chaotic. We can only become aware of this yet we can't become aware. Everything is love. Everything and nothing (God) loved itself so much, that it had to "destroy" itself eternally, and the ironic connection we feel is the understanding that we are all dead, forever dying, but never reaching. When you need something to hold onto - let go. -
Breakingthewall replied to Phil King's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Exactly, but the difference between having an experience of absolute infinity and not having it is the difference between seeing or not. You have to understand that not everyone will have this realization by taking drugs, it will only happen if you are predisposed or looking for it by doing constant deconstruction work. once you have had this experience, the moment passes and you lose it, but it is the difference between being blind forever or being blind and seeing for a minute. then you are blind again but you know what it is to see, and this makes you want to see constantly and take the necessary steps to make that happen, because, if it was possible for a while, what prevents that it's impossible now? you have to understand what processes occur to keep you asleep. if you have never woken up, it is impossible. to understand it is necessary to go from asleep to awake and back to asleep, several times. this promote the understanding, and understanding deactivates the walls that keep you tied but psychedelics not only do that, they also make your mind more flexible, cleaner, they bring to the surface all the negativity, all the bad habits, and they give rise to a quick and real transformation. -
I get it man and I think that's true, in a way. But you can also easily fool yourself with meditation and it becomes something that keeps you stuck. It's like if I just keep meditating and never use psychedelics again, I'll have a much easier time maintaining that comfortable, blissful state. But that is a trap in my opinion because little progress is made from such a place. The real transformation happens when you say fuck it and destroy everything for the sake of truth. And of course, it's easy to fool yourself with psychedelics, too. This is all very tricky and complicated... Maybe it's wrong to frame it as a trap, that's just how I see it. In the end I think psychedelics speed up the whole process and I guess some people don't want that.
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Also when I empathize with someone who is like my mother it pains me to death. I also start hating myself, as I put myself down. I don't know who else to call at times, as when nobody picks-up the phone I also don't feel well. I don't do great with never having had the luxury to receive recognition in what I enjoy doing and when I love what I do I've been sabotaged by others, unfortunate happenstance, myself it's always about her and she does not notice. It's like having the same argument over and over again. Then I still don't feel like I am an "adult", it would also not change when I work full time simply because of anger and not being in a relationship. I don't enjoy how the relationship to my family is not enjoyable as I don't feel any pride for them I disliked her arrogance, when I started studying as it proved to her what a good mother she was in her brain. She had to tell everyone I don't like her character she might do good, yet I don't like her character as she is bitter and angry to often and we don't work. I could have called my new friend instead.... I did not think as far... as I dunno I just even with healers and therapist don't find the right one and in my teens I really wanted this libertarian type success. Just abundance with women and a very strong income. I also don't enjoy this co-dependent feeling and silence. Next time I will call a friend it just sucks for me to realize mf family is dead and I am reminded at them ever breath I take because of the scar... I don't enjoy that she always wanted attention and this happy family it really broke me to see how dumb and naive she is for believing I enjoyed it. I felt sorry for her, yet under all of this was a real need I could not fit and I stopped and told her also. Stop greeting me when you come home she still did it. She did it less it was okay, I did not enjoy and to this day how nothing was bought that was more education based... Everything my father did partially and video games for her it was the relationship, which was for me all her friends without her as I enjoyed this as a kid "extended family*. I just so not enjoy how her anger projection and shaming in me and here socially caused a lot of repressed anger. Exercise& meditation breath work etc... I just feel likemy character&or personality that I've been building is lost. I don't know socially at times who I belong to and even with having all segments of humans in mind. I mostly find myself more drawn to outcast and mysterious types. My father really cares about education and my mother just did not care as her duty and then acted like this food stealing habgierige monster laughing in cynecism and jest saying that is not so bad. She legit creates looser that is what I feel my mother is at times a looser creator. I had so many negative mindsets I broke out off, and I am finally done I feel besides anger. I just don't enjoy that I don't receive social credit from humans I loved still at the beginning. I feel utterly betrayed by their egotism and I don't know if I can love any of them. I am also unsatisfied with this emotionally I don't know how I can help me... I don't feel well I terms if just finding support emotionally, I did my best with this rigid devil of a mother, yet she is simply evil negligent and overwhelmed one thing that is true is that she is overwhelmed by me. I don't know I might call Yu next time he is at least there for me... I don't know what I can do in terms of my love life. Liberals are legit all vegan and or degenerate. I stopped again focusing on politics. I don't enjoy my level of intellectual ability especially mathematically and I did very well in this subject till somehow the social sphere just hired harder. As well as I could never receive help from home with homework as my mother was out when I was in the 6th grade... imagine.... I don't the status consciousness etc. Although it's not celebrated to much until the first Tate type of guy joined I hope he leaves. I don't know if I can do any good in the world anymore. I just know I don't do well with stress and lethargy ever since my grandma died. I sleep now... I don't know what to look at and or do for a massive transformation as well as how I can move to the u.s ...
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Did 1h meditation. I feel better with this decision of seeing discipline as a gateway to freedom instead of with going with any societal notion of stage blue identities. I notice today, is the last day and I will visualize more sporadically, it does not work very well in a structured way when things are still not there. I get an immense pain alleviation from open-awareness meditation and zen-type of meditation, as this also reduces activity in the insular cortex, and short burts of 5-2 minutes of visualization can be enough to gain skill. This is fundamentally what I did for years, the anger I can channel somewhat outwardly. Give my best to do this now more discipline (today the lazy-way) and look for the structures and audiobooks that help, most stage blue audiobooks do not help, they are just causing pain....1h more work etc. Many do this in tech to get ahead... this is such common practice it's forbidden. Identity shifts are closer to habit transformation. Doing this seeing myself again as a disciplined person is better and doing tasks, and beign in the liberal cam room etc. For some hope etc. The point is there is no short-cut I can change strategies, yet there is no short-cut and my conservative friend is bad in a sense, because he (political middle) for me conservative.... -> as he is simply not disciplined enough and has a very very extremely toxic mindset when it comes to dating "race" etc. It's heavy and it will not stop thanks to toxic blue. He's fine, yet I shut him down in the sense that I do not engage in these topics without the slight "orangeness". It's been sometime since I noticed the flow of discipline. I missed going back to what worked, doing so many new things visualization is okay, just better in bursts and retreats I feel for me. During the day briefly etc. Focusing on skilled activites and delibaretly for exams etc. Otherwise this is great to just reduce the pain perception. It's just helping me immensely and I enjoyed the identity of it, in terms of beign disciplined and hardcore and not some edgelord etc. That is fundamentally it. I will give full power to this. Go to the yoga and schedule these communcal activities and participate in communities that aid me. Next week I go to the lecture again that I am not going to today. I do have to remind myself of higher development and not only lower. I am grateful for new matches with beautiful women. I am grateful I slept with a beautiful arabic girl and that she played around with my scar eye-gazing me and seeing me as a warrior I am grateful that I am in this group for the funs at times and good distraction of what not to do in attracting women I am grateful I can found the conviction back to discipline and the better way to deal with friends etc. and give this a shot, this also helps me somehow with status thinking as I careless and I move on I am grateful for beign still strategic as well as I can. Even when I attract what I want, the amount of pain that I go through inhibits me from consistently engaging in these visualizations, when I can sit crossed-legged and I can train this now as I did not do the operation and will not do it. I might be able to visualize more fully with time, yet now .... it's better to reduce pain this is a survival quality. It's at times already way way way to much. I bet she noticed it also during sex, yet she legit was 1w9 in patience that is serenity.
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Water by the River replied to Phil King's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Psychedelics are awesome when done together with meditation. I believe that efficient meditation systems (like for example Pointing Out the Great Way, Brown), explained in an efficient way, plus Psychedelics (but with coaching from somebody who has walked the path to the end and knows the traps) is the future. Where there is potential, there are (as ususal) also risks and traps. Let's look at Wilbers perspective on the risks and downsides: Main Points from Wilber: The downside comes with people that only use psychedelics or drugs and I found that over the years they just become mean. That somehow it just kind of closes them down it's like you keep doing it and you keep doing it you keep doing it doesn't quite cause the transformation. It can cause a peak experience but generally not a transformative experience and some people like David data will say that you know for altered changes of state to contribute to transformation permanent transformation it has to be basically in endogenous and not exogenous it has to be has your own. See my Endohuasca-Theory and Links to it above. The people that do use both and use it as a sacrament I think an enormous bit out of it. My personal opinion: When you think that the meditation path to make it permanent is not doable for you (for whatever excuse, like genetics) , or seems to unpleasant, maybe you use an inefficient meditation system. Try the one a mentioned above (Pointing Out the Great Way, Brown). I get no roalties or kick-back-paymanents by the way, just love the method/system Agreed, most meditation system on the market have an abysmal "success" rate of Enlightened Ones. But there are some really good ones also. And non of these efficient systems have used Psychedelics + good coaching on top. That is where I believe is the future. Exploring the Multiverse is all nice and important and a wonderful pioneering effort. But as soon as you draw your love/happiness out of the sublime beautiful experiences/understandings, you are playing the same samsaric game of every unenlightened sentient being chasing good emotions to avoid suffering, the usual merry-go-round-cycle. But on a very high level, with quite a show . When psychedelics boost the narcissm/grandiosity of the separate self, well: Best regards from Maya, she just loves you too much to let you go... If you can be "gaslit" on any realization from psychedelics and need to put your foot down: Well, probably the realization of your True Identity (Reality itself) is a bit shaky, or a bit preliminary. The Real Thing can't be shaken. Because You are It, like in "never can not be It". And if you dragged home an alien from I don't know where, and feel like you have become the special-alien-of the day, maybe check if you have received a very seductive love-letter from Maya herself, and consider ordering the Men in Black for the Alien, together with their Flashthing/Neuralyzer that can make you forget: https://meninblack.fandom.com/wiki/Neuralyzer And maybe that Neuralyzer makes you full empty, makes you get rid of the last filters of the separate self, which are just a very very empty, already nondual/mere appearance "feeling" of individuality, a vastly intelligent, potentially "alien" nondual nothing, understanding a lot of the mechanisms of God and the Universe, but still a nothing with the last filter attached to it: Individuality-Arisings (in Wilbers wording, the Transparent Witness, see Religion of the Future), "seeing/looking at" a vast mere appearance Multiverse hovering in Nothingness. So not fully empty yet. And that is the "last few percentage clouds" blocking stable realization, or the sudden Full Enlightenment. Because if the last filters/elements of the separate self go, you can sustain the realization/bliss sobre in daily life.... . Because, if you understood/got rid of all separate self filters IN the psychedelic state, why shouldn't you be able to keep that Realization in daily life? The world gets a shimmering lucid hologram like imagined appearance-illusion-show when you have engaged your Endohuasca-System, which is done with getting rid off these last separate-self elements, see my previous post. At least my experience, and that of countless others in the history of mankind. Why should exactly the Psychedelic-Aficionado not be able to do that? No Endohuasca-system? Well, the receptors in the body seem to be working just fine... Or maybe a different Buddha-Nature? Sorry, just kidding... And if there is no Neuralyzer around, maybe try an efficient meditation system, get to the last stages of Nonmeditation-Yoga (spontaneous automized meditation without a doer still active) And after having used the Neuralyzer or an efficient meditation system, after having looked deeply into the Empty Abyss of your own True Nature/Nothingness, when you are really everything because you are really totally Nothingness (with no 5% clouds remaining), maybe then go hunt for the alien again. But this time, not for getting the love and sweetness of Understanding-experiences or whatever to break the cycle of suffering, but to express the bliss and love of your True Nature that you have then 24/7 going on from your own core. And if one feels gaslit about what I have just written, see the point above: "If you can be "gaslit" on any realization from psychedelics and need to put your foot down: Well, probably the realization of your True Identity (Reality itself) is a bit shaky, or a bit preliminary. The Real Thing can't be shaken. Because You are It, like in never can not be It." And if in doubt: Call these gentlemen, let them take care of the Aliens, look at the Neuralyzer/Flashthing, and get fully empty. But still, the Psychedelic pioneers, facing the unknowns of the Multiverse, exploring Alien intelligences, some even catching an Alien beast or two and dragging them home, going alone boldly to where no one has gone before, facing dangers that nobody else faced before... If there is some material for the movies of the future looking back to our time, where if not there is the true hero's journey to be found... I just hope that they get back from the trips, integrate their experience, get their mindstream awakened all the time, and live happily realized ever after, radiating the love of their own True Being, and maybe even getting the roalties from the upcoming movies of the Psychedelic Heros Journey based on their biography! Bon voyage! In the meantime, It’s for sure one of the most interesting shows on this planet to be seen. At least, it for sure has my attention! Respectfully Yours & mind the possibility of the Bear Manoeuvre in the signature-link below Selling Water by the River
