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The following is a copy and pasted YT comment from a Rupert Spira video. He was speaking about Universal Love. "Love is the Experience of the Unity of Being" is the title of the video. This comment caught my attention and I would like to hear your thoughts on this. I could feel the pain in the words while reading this and it actually made me very emotional. There have been numerous forum users who have spoken about Consciousness in this fashion and I think it is a very important subject to address because so many of us feel this way. I don't think it is addressed enough so we can truly understand this part of Reality and why it exists - apparent or not. It's a pretty dark comment but this is an example of how a lot of people feel that's why I'm sharing it with the intention of understanding why this is so. 2 days ago (edited) It is not like that. It's easy to be fooled by words that please the conditioned ears. Here's Rupert talking about love and oneness, while baby fawns are being torn apart, eaten alive by predators, screaming in pain from the top of their lungs to absolutely no avail, while the mother gazelles helplessly watch in distress from a distance. A woman forced to watch her daughter being brutally raped and killed by the invading soldiers, followed by the execution of her husband and her two sons. The woman lost her mind, threw herself over a bridge and committed suicide. What would Rupert tell the baby fawns and the mother gazelles, if they ask why? Because, that was exactly the question, the woman asked before ending her life. WHY? Will Rupert tell them, oh, don't suffer, because your true nature is all happiness, but, somehow, you decided to forget your happiness nature in exchange for this experience? Really? If this is what you believe, then, not are you only insulting their sufferings, but, you're actually killing them twice. It's better you say nothing than to deceive yourself twice. Oh, How long are we going to deceive ourselves ? Rather, how much longer will consciousness deceive Itself? If he truly believes that it is consciouness and consciouness Alone that is doing the whole show, then, it calls for the question "WHY" ? Which will inevitably invite self introspection. Consciousness needs to introspect itself as to why it has all these itches and impulses to manifest, rather than, continuing to indulge itself, in all kinds of self deceiving, self aggrandizing, schizophrenic, narcissistic self praises and worships like a dictator. This is a WRONG understanding of Existence. These insane self deceiving understandings are coming from old religious and spiritual ideologies and beliefs, founded upon self ignorance and self dishonesty. Existence is not all good, all loving, all peace or all happiness. Existence is not like that. It has never been like that and cannot be like that. It's a very self ignorant and self dishonest belief ,only , to perpetuate further self deception. Just like the great honest philosopher put it. " Every history of life is the history of suffering ". The question is always, Why? Religious or spiritual ideologies have always offered distorted ,ignorant, childish and dishonest answers due to ignorance and dishonesty. Saying God and the Devil, or, consciouness and mind, finite mind or ego, can only lead oneself into further self deception. Just as you do not get something from nothing, You do not get sufferings from all happiness, or, all love. What is never within, does not and cannot manifest as without. Consciouness can only manifest what is within. No violence within, no violence without. No suffering within, no suffering without. All the endless pains and sufferings are the itches and impulses within consciouness, that, found its way to manifest. No matter what, You simply do not get apple juice from oranges. No matter how you twist, turn and distort. Consciousness has to ask itself by introspecting as to why it has all these itches and impulses to manifest ,which are experienced as endless pains, tortures and sufferings in what we call " Life ". There's no another way for consciouness to liberate itself from its Own desires, itches and impulses other than self introspection. It is consciouness that gets liberated from its Own itches and impulses, no one else! It has to face its own darkness in its Own Psyche, rather than go on to further deceive Itself playing childish, self praise and self worship games. While it indulges in all kinds of self deceiving ganes, countless life forms are being eaten alive and go on suffering, at this very moment, and, every moment,crying out and screaming in pain from the top of their lungs to absolutely no avail. Do we not hear their screams? Or, is consciouness too busy deceiving Itself , boasting and bragging how happy , peaceful and loving it is? Eternity means absolutely nothing in self deception, other than, condemning itself to an eternal damnation as the history of life shows. One can NEVER be too careful when it comes to the Absolute True Nature of oneself or Existence as Is in Itself.

@Livingstone The world is filled with ego, which manifests itself through projection and ignorance. You don't need any degree, knowledge fills you with insights, but the only point of learning anything at all is to expand your perspective. Universities don't teach you any more than ChatGPT does, it's merely the game of degrees, diplomas, titles and certificates which self-perpetuates narrow thinking, specialized studies and the export of responsibility to authority. Society plays the game of validating certificates, but look at all the successful entrepreneurs, they're only where they are because they ditched this mindset and society tries to mimic them and fails because there never were any rules to it, they just did their own thing. Institutions slow you down to match their timeframe. You wait days to go and memorize some stupid speech that you can just watch right now on YouTube. It's either public knowledge, or if it's not, do you really want to participate in hiding knowledge away and monetizing it? Ideally, it'd be an environment of open thought, sharing and holistic interconnection through the lens of whatever is studied, group discussions, active participation, constructivist reimagining. Open thinking, active doing, immediate testing, passion, spirit, truth. But that's not what we see. Students are depressed, look at the suicide rates, look at what you're trying to do, you're trying to help but the elaborate means of getting there through all the bullshit diplomas to justify a human's ability to interact and help another human while outsourcing responsibility to some "professional intellectuals" is exactly what got us into this mess. Nobody can talk frankly anymore, everybody's distracted, people are referred to suicide watches, to group therapy, to some impersonal institutions, to fix problems that stem from being unable to interact with their own environment due to its nature. You and I are discouraged all our lives from sharing our thoughts, ideas, gaslight into inaction, blind trust in a system of consensus bullshitting, depressed and stopped from learning on our own and making our own decisions, constant second guessing, constant need to validate our thoughts with at least one more person sharing the sentiment, constant doubt and fear of getting things wrong and being shamed for it. The only way I got out of that were psychedelics that I started three months ago. The most valuable part of the psychedelic experience is to get fully in tune with yourself and to be able to experientially and emotionally feel that which you already know to be the case. To accept the truth and shed all doubt for the ego-game that it is. I had the same idea as you. I though, hmm what about psychology to help people? That I realized, it's a narrow focus, monetized profession, strict timetables, you'll be called crazy if you do overtime or want to help people outside of work because "you're not earning money doing it". It's so limiting, then I thought how can I do better? What do I even do? How do I help people? And I realized, people are everywhere, everyone's got their own unique problems. A person really just needs to vent and become in tune with their emotions, desires and thoughts. For the next two weeks, I spent a lot of time of Reddit, typing with people in awful situations, sharing insights, just talking about their life and hearing them out. It feels like I made their days better. Your goal is noble. But what I realized is that my drive was really out of needing that which I gave them myself, I never had anyone to help me and by helping them, I used them as a proxy to help myself. But I kept realizing how complex life is and how much there is to integrate and that I really need to work on myself. Because you can only help others up to the state of mind that you yourself are in.

Bro what if the real point of view that cares about Israelis is that this war only leads to more future threats, terrorism and anti-semitism? From a article: “Did you know that since the United States brought its “war on terror” to Africa, terrorist attacks on that continent have increased by 75,000 percent? That’s right: 75, then three zeros, percent. I learned this neat little stat from a new article by journalist Nick Turse, who also notes that “according to the Pentagon, terrorist attacks in the Sahel region alone have resulted in 9,818 deaths — a 42,500% increase.” People have been documenting the way attempts to bomb terrorism out of existence actually creates more terrorism for many years. In 2010 Professor Robert A Pape wrote an article for Foreign Policy titled “It’s the Occupation, Stupid” about his study with University of Chicago which found that suicide bombings are the result not of Islamic fundamentalism but of foreign military occupations. Some notable excerpts: “More than 95 percent of all suicide attacks are in response to foreign occupation.” “As the United States has occupied Afghanistan and Iraq, which have a combined population of about 60 million, total suicide attacks worldwide have risen dramatically — from about 300 from 1980 to 2003, to 1,800 from 2004 to 2009.” “Over 90 percent of suicide attacks worldwide are now anti-American.” “Each month, there are more suicide terrorists trying to kill Americans and their allies in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other Muslim countries than in all the years before 2001 combined. From 1980 to 2003, there were 343 suicide attacks around the world, and at most 10 percent were anti-American inspired. Since 2004, there have been more than 2,000, over 91 percent against U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other countries.”

@Bazooka Jesus Dude..so you got the information that He took cocaine and meth (on YouTube right?the best source for historical facts). And now you conclude he is a massive drugs addict, who has lost his mind and was permanent high. Right...You think so very simple. By the way even people who take regulary drugs can be functioning mentally pretty well. Committing suicide in his position was reasonable, he lost the war and the enemy would surely be not friendly to him If he did not kill himself before. To make IT more clear: He would be executed for sure. So he would die anyway

Lol, right... except maybe when he was high as a kite on crack cocaine / methamphetamine 24/7. Like leaving the whole country in ashes and committing suicide? Well played, Adolf.

@zazen Palestinians in the west bank are under the responsibility of the PLO as their official civil authority, while in Gaza strip they are under hamas. IDF is found in wide forces within the west bank for security purposes since 2002, what proved to be the only way to stop the suicide bombing happened in busses and restaurants from ones to twice a week. I'm in the middle of the video of Daniel Levy but it sounds he suggests a return to 48' lines? Later he uses definitions and creates some sort of scheme or n not so clear equation from it, to moralize against the Jews moves in 1947-8 but he overlook the fact that they stemmed from a survival challenge they have faced after almost lost in a civil-like war between them and the Arabs reinforced by 6 Arabs countries. By the way the land occupied in 1967 was under Jordan. About Gaza he doesn't suggest any pratical alternative way to eliminate hamas besides moralizing.

@MarkKol I can relate I spent much of my 20's drinking to forget or depressed when i wasn't. Do you have any data related to the lack of testosterone being responsible for school shootings? Intuitively as you say I'd think it'd be the opposite, and the more violent people usually have too much in them. I can see though, going around shooting up a school, isn't the average reaction of a violent guy looking for trouble in a bar. It comes from the same place often, the desire for significance being met in an inverted, destructive or harmful way Six Human Needs https://www.tonyrobbins.com/mind-meaning/do-you-need-to-feel-significant/ 1. Certainty: assurance you can avoid pain and gain pleasure 2. Uncertainty/Variety: the need for the unknown, change, new stimuli 3. Significance: feeling unique, important, special or needed 4. Connection/Love: a strong feeling of closeness or union with someone or something 5. Growth: an expansion of capacity, capability or understanding 6. Contribution: a sense of service and focus on helping, giving to and supporting others These are a reasonable way to model human needs, and we each rank these as more or less important in our daily lives, which drive our behavior. It explains why someone can jump out of a plane, while another person feels happier in a steady job earning a wage. It also explains some of the more horrific acts seeking one of these needs to be met. Also, it could just be the kind of person that sits in their room miserable and alone, is the kind of person that has or generates less testosterone anyway, rather than it being directly related to the violence itself. When you hit the level of considering suicide, which I used to do a lot in my 20's, and still do very rarely, then it opens you up to these type of horrific or otherwise inconceivable actions.

@FourCrossedWands Is that official? Have the investigators conclusively determined the son did kill him, or did the father commit suicide, or some other cause? Also, my heart, understanding and empathy goes out to the victims, but also to mass shooters, they do have it rough sometimes in life. Don't forget to seek a professional out there, a hotline, or go do therapy and psychoanalysis too.

Sam Harris's faulty biased narrative is infecting a lot. They genuinely believes an ideology has the power to make 2.3 million people in Gaza or (2 billion Muslim in the world) to be gleefully waiting for Martyrdom and willing to commit suicide bombing any day. Let's dismiss basic psychology and the cries and calls for help by the Gazans to save their lives and believe Sam Harris instead.

Jews in Israel should have been committed collective suicide or let Hitler or other Nazis to finish the work, ignore the Jewish ancient connection to Israel and allow Arabs to have Israel as the 22th Muslim state in the world. Only that would be considered fair to these people.

Do you also believe it’s possible that. muslim suicide bombers will get however many virgins in heaven etc?

@Scholar it takes courage to be vulnerable and open to understanding extremely complex topics, such as suicide. Relating to them more holistically invites more nuanced and compassion forms of clarity, thus elevating their meanings towards a greater good.

This is getting ridiculous, I am developing much more empathy for people who commit suicide, even though I'm not the type of person to consider such a thing. But I can see how if someone felt this way for half a year or so that one could easily completely lose ones rational perspective of things. The emotions are so all consuming that it's really hard to even imagine a framework outside of it, and considering the influence these emotions have on ones thoughts, it can easily spiral out of control. Obviously I am just describing the experience, I don't want to concern anyone, lol. I simply don't remember having ever felt this doom and gloomy this intensely before, and I am not the most emotionally regulated person in the first place, in terms of my dispositions, so it's not like I don't have a sense of what even intense disregulation can feel like. The therapy lamp seems to have helped at first, but there seems to have been a backlash effect.

Think about the whole infinity. Look at nigth to a sky, dark imensity, no end. You as an integral part of the whole. Think of how would you kill it. How would you kill the whole universe? Even suicide becomes irrelevant. You cut the leaf of a tree but the tree and the forest keeps going. Infinity have no fear of death, to fear death you must have first a shape to maintain, and that is your current predicament. Unlesa you delude yourself that you dont have a shape or form to maintain. No need of maintainance no fear.

I wasn't saying suicide is creepy. I was responding to OP's statement about guys who kill themselves over loneliness. I don't take that stuff lightly and I am very empathetic towards people who are suicidal. I doubt people just do it out of the blue, though; we're just not aware of some of the causes.

@JayT79 @Princess Arabia The truth is, we don’t have a definitive understanding of why people commit suicide. Some people actually do it out of the blue, even if there were absolutely no signs of mental health conditions in them. That is not creepy, that is how nature intended it to be.

Seriously? You wan't me to provide data. Tons of people are committing suicide everyday for different reasons; and for the mere fact that I've read of guys who have become depressed and say they are suicidal over their inability to get laid is enough data for me to come to that assessment. The data on the amount of suicides is more accessible than the reasons why people do it. Just because you haven't or never thought to do so is irrelevant to my statement. Consider yourself proof by omission. People are always basing things on their own personal experience not realizing there are 8billion people world wide which i'm sure at least one has done this and can say that without needing data or proof.

This maybe true but do you have data for this? I mean I have a lack of experience with women and not had a lot of sexual experience with women but the idea of killing oneself is a bit of stretch. I couldn't fathom myself killing myself because I wasn't getting pussy from women. Maybe my intellectual knowledge of spirituality from this forum and psychedelic experience and practicing stay in the moment has prevented me leading to suicide.

Suicide can and will be recontexualized profoundly. You start to understand what suicide more openly and without judgement.

@jaylimix i've been reading your latest comments i think i should make the subsequent objections: 1- you claim the word Genocide is not fitting situation in Palestine - i invite you to take at look at my post page 241. The term can be applied and there is consensus on it, but western mainstream media is reclutant to talk about it for obvious reasons. 2- the fact that the population of palestinians is rising doesn't tell much about the quality of their existence. 3- You should't blame it on Islam about the suicide bombers. Pretty much every religion had their terrorist throughout history. The problem is their level of development and situation, not religion.

@Princess Arabia I am not "threatening" suicide. It just overwhelms me. Leo was such an important figure in my life. For so long. He is neither stupid nor delusional. When he tells me he does not experience a subjective experience the way I do, I just freak out.

I understand. I will just add my personal feeling about it. Iran is grasped as a very big demon in the eyes of Israelis, and thats because Iran is really the big brain that stands behind and funds Hezbollah, hamas, and the palestinian suicide bombing in busses and restaurants Israel is traumatized by from the early 00's, and also terror activities abroad against Israelis. During the recent decade Iran is developing a nuclear weapon at the exact same time when it declares more and more publicly that it wants to eliminate Israel from the map. A careful ear, when knows the past events when everybody were sure nothing really bad will happen (and we all know what happened) will take seriously this threat. The fear of Israel from Iran is very serious, and from that I can understand why Israel felt that urge to convince bush to do something that maybe will remove this untolerable nuclear threat and maybe will cause their regime to fall by the way. Also there are reasonable claims about the long term iranian's regime plan to encompass Israel physically in order to one day be able to treaten its existance. in fact, thats what middle eastern experts think that Iran wanted to do in the 7.10 surprise but hamas decided to do deal for itself and to do it alone what made Iran to be extremely in rage on it after oct 7th. I can add links on that. I agree that this is indeed hapenning, and there are a lot of close-minded Israelis especially from the right wing. But at the same time It hurts me a bit that people don't see the other sector of citizens we have here from the center-left camp (~40% and maybe more of the population) with them a deep conversation is really possible. Yes as long as the right wing is almost homogeneously controlls Israel, this is impossible. I agree about that. I can say that just couple of years ago I was more anti religion, but then I started to see that many of the "lite" religions actually have some depth in them and a sense of warmth when they relate to you, that this is harder to find among the hard-core secular ones which is interesting. But I emphasize this is probably mostly only among the 'lite' or moderate religious and of course not among the more hard-core religious that on them I agree with you.

I apologize if I was a little abrasive. But I honestly believe there are no "life situations" where my theories fly out the window. Just do a thought experiment and apply my theories to every situation. What would happen? Or tell me some specifics where my theories do not work. Even if you put me in a hellish "situation with no escape" and I killed myself, I accept that. You are probably correct about my suicide but it would still be the yin yang symbol and the two fishes going around and you are focusing on the sad fish and not the happy fish. If we manifest our reality by our vibrations or frequency, then change your frequency and create goodness in your section of the world. Your contemplating the misery amplifies the bad vibrations. If possible, re-read my original reply above and give me the benefit of the doubt. Have an open mind about my reply. Thanks.

@Lila9 Its fair to say evacuation isn't ethnic cleansing. Its fair to say turning half of the infrastructure to rubble there, and having a history of creating opportunistic settlements (which you then have to justify and defend constantly creating tension), leads people to believe you will resettle these areas as your own. I'd be AMAZED if not one new settlement happens. Its fair to say it hasn't happened yet. If anything this word is being held up now, so that isn't the course you choose as a people. Heck, I've seen people in Israel saying we'll go further south next as an example. - If I come back 5 months from now and say you've done ethnic cleansing, what good is it? It would already be done. It's why its nearly useless trying to get you to see the large fallout regionally or internationally from this, because that has happened, but it can always get worse. Leniency does not radicalize. Impulsiveness, carelessness, and inattentiveness is the opposite of vigilance, which might create opportunities for mischief, but men and women earning money, feeding their families, and living in relative safety are not prone to becoming terrorists who want to suicide bomb you, or throw rockets over at you, because their lives are mostly stable and their families cared for. The worse a situation gets the more you radicalize people. With this action you've not deradicalized anyone, you've created hundreds of thousands of new people willing to do violence across the region. Just like their actions created in you. Again this has perfectly played into Iran's hands, both because of the BRICS angle, American isolationism, many groups having an excuse and gaining a large amount of new recruits.

1) Very logical - Giving civilians a month to move south, opening up humanitarian corridor, air support first before boots on the ground otherwise it would be a suicide mission for the soldiers. 2) Aren't the leftist in the government green hence orange/green?