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They are not any less or more real than any other state of consciousness. There Is no degrees to the "realness " of consciousness. But there are degrees to the intensity of consciousness. And its easily verifiable when you drink caffeine or smoke a joint that you enter a higher state of consciousness. Same with mystical experiences. They are not more real than your ordinary state of consciousness . But they are higher In intensity. Yea .reality is what you are experiencing right NOW. Not sure how does that mean there is no reality? Death is a belief. There Is no actuality whatsoever to death other than a thought you are imagining right now (since we agree that reality is only what we are experiencing right now ). You don't have to die or fall asleep to experience "nothingness ". Nothingness is everything you are experiencing right now. This is all nothing. Science has proven that 99% of physical matter is empty space.

I feel like something is missing here and all there is is not consciousness but consciousness is what nothingness appears as when it takes a form and consciousness is secondary to nothingness

@Someone here okay great so this is what I want to get at If mystical experiences are also just some states that consciousness can take then who's to say they are the real reality behind everything and also even if they feel more real than the reality we are in it's just a heightened sense of reality isn't it? I mean I'm just saying more real is still not a conformation for them to be the real actuality of everything what if there is no reality to anything and reality quote on quote is just a term to describe what you are feeling and sensing at the moment then if all of these are the case then who can say it is the same thing that happens when we die? (I mean a mystical experience) And more on that if that is really what happens when we die (I mean we experience a mystical experience) then maybe we just experience it for some time then we fade away into nothingness same as the dreamless deep sleep state which has no form at all whatsoever

This piece of the puzzle just doesn't make much sense to me that when you are in the waking state you are awareness itself that is experiencing the world and itself as the world but in the deep sleep state of nothingness you don't even exist as awareness there is literally no you in that state to experience anything so how is everything consciousness and awareness when in the deep sleep state there is no you no experiencer no world no nothing and no consciousness and awareness also? my main question is how can that also be awareness and consciousness if there is no thing? can consciousness and awareness be only a product of experience and a you and the world? and if so then they can't be the fundamental reality because there is a state where they are not there

Haha. Of course you're the jackass named Froto, and every other jackass in existence. How could you not be? You're joking yet still somehow you think there is actually a difference between you and Froto the Jackass? Nope. Somehow you think that there is a difference between this "nothingness" you identify as and Froto the Jackass. Nope. It's You. Not someone or something else. You. Not "nothingness", not "isness". You. You, @VeganAwake are the Jackass.

God realisation and Advaita ultimately point to the same thing. Two sides of the same coin. There are just different levels of egoic attachments to words like nothingness, God, "you", etc. Nothingness can also be conceived as "you" (the big you, AKA God, AKA Reality, AKA infinity, AKA everything). The word "you" does imply other however, and that's ultimately why Advaita doesn't like it, i.e. if everything is "you" then the differentiation "you" is in fact meaningless. 99% of the stuff people argue about on this forum is semantics. Remember that Gaurisankar and Mount Everest are the same mountain seen from different valleys. Or so the saying goes... (turns out it's not true actually, but that's beside the point )

In French, "Bonjour" literally means "Good Day". How would you say that to people Because I wanted to say Hello to people in French, without necessarily wishing them a good day. What if the person's was a murderer ? What if their "Good Day" was spent abusing children, or manipulating people. Why would I wish them a good day ? Basically, I was so obsessed about honesty that it became hard for me to interact normally with people. For me, small talk wasn't a "small" problem at all. But a few years ago, I finally found a solution to it. I had to work on my personal dictionary. I had to split my definition of truth in two parts. Practical Truth and Metaphysical Truth. Practical Truths are the useful ones. The ones people use in their day to day life. The ones that are "true enough" to help you get tangible results in life. For example : My laptop is in front of me right now. This is true enough. Sure, if you gave me 30 minutes and a joint, I could find a hundred ways to make that statement philosophically debatable or scientifically inaccurate. But if you wanted to borrow my laptop, I probably wouldn't answer "I don't really know what a laptop is. Or if any of us really exist. Or what borrowing even means". I would probably say "Yeah, here it is". Which is not metaphysically accurate, but still practically accurate. Metaphysical Truths are the ones that survive any kind of questioning. They are absolutely and fundamentally true. Unfortunately, during my own pursuit of truth, I reached a point where nothing is certain enough to be classified as a Metaphysical Truth. So I can't give examples. Even statements like "Something exists" doesn't seem solid enough for me. But some religious folks might include "God exists". Some spiritual folks might include "The real self is nothingness". Some scientific folks might include "Evolution is real". No problem with that... I want to hear your thoughts on the subject ! What do you classify as Metaphysical Truth ? Do you split Practical Truths in subcategories, depending on their level of consciousness, or the level of personal development needed to access them ? Do you see totally different levels than the two I proposed ? Do you think about those things as much as I do ? And finally, I wish you a good day everyone !

When I was younger I used to get in deep logical debates and argue and provide proof etc. to prove my position or frame of thinking/perspective/opinion as superior. Maybe I'm surrounded by a lot of younger people because its like I'm talking to my younger self on this forums. So many people on this forum when they reply to you they write a book....a literal book. You really do not need to write a book as a reply. For your normal posts when you are sharing something write as much as you want. But you do not need to write a book to reply to someone. Do you know how much time someone has to spend trying to interpret what you are saying and the significance and interconnectedness of each point? The purpose of writing is to be understood. You don't want it to be an ordeal for the person you are communicating with to understand you. Of course YOU know the meaning of what you are typing its in your head, but you need to be short and simple and offer to go in depth if the person needs clarification. I have had this issue in the past where I used to believe I had to explain every last detail and learned over time people don't need that or most times even want that. I still do this when I talk but thankfully I have cleaned it up my writing. So let's recap, if you want to post a long post to share something go for it. But when you converse with people on the forums and engage in discussion keep your replies short and simple and offer to go in depth if they are open to it. Now this isn't me trying to control anyone you can do as you please, its just friendly advice. I've outgrown debates, I already burned through that karma I'll say a couple of responses then I'm bailing I'm not sticking around to write walls of texts and pontificate on the many perspectival meanings of nothingness. Once you realize everything is you, and everything is nothing....why spend hours in debate? Speak your perspective, give a couple responses and keep it moving I say but to each his own. We are all going to disagree with each other for various reasons, and trigger each other at times (which is a good thing actually as it is a chance to see where some hidden resistance is) so buckle up as this forum is not for the faint of heart. All I ask is consider the receiver of your communication when you choose to respond.... if they want you to write a book...they'll order one lol.

Yes. Look into Rob Burbea’s teachings on the energy body. That’s going to be the easiest, most practical way to break through the persistent sensory contraction state of body sensations. You can train this skill until the sensations of the body can expand out into infinity, or contract back into nothingness, until this pendulum of expansion and contraction is one movement, the same movement, on a single scale.

Soo if a person owns land or part of a floating rock out in nothingness then they can claim ownership? Lease or rent out this land to another person for invisible numbers called money which you own? If a person owns all of this floating rock (earth) or land then how can another person claim ownership? Can you own the ocean? Can you lease out the ocean? Or own air & oxygen? Owning outer space.. Owning stars & planets? Owning the weather? Owning a metaverse? Owning nature? Can you build your own internet or your own youtube platform or your own database hub thing? If you build an island can you own it? Can you turn said island into a country? Owning an invisible idea such as a country? Creating your "own" country. Your "own" military? Say you wanna start your own country and own the entire place. How would that work? Do you own humans if they live on your country? Lease the human out to another? How do people come up with this? Considering slavery wasn't abolished but.. 157 years ago? Or ~6 generations. What about with making and creating a currency and claiming it as "your own" money. Such as claiming paper money or invisible numbers or crypto? Making up your own numbers? Lending money for money? Creating your own rules? Such as creating the idea of inflation or using influence to alter value metrics? So a group of people (pilgrims) came to America and simply claimed ownership? So a group of people (migrants) travel out west and gain free ownership of land? Does ownership depend on.. military power? Hard power? A belief? A narrative? Who determines ownership? ______________ Mine vs yours vs ours. Toothbrush A. Private ownership (Mine or Yours &/or ours) B. Public ownership (Ours) C. Collective ownership (Mine & yours or Ours) D. All of above E. Depends on use Toothbrush 1. Cleaning teeth = collective ownership? Nah 2. Cleaning dogs teeth = private ownership 3. Cleaning toilet = public ownership 4. Cleaning floor = Depends on use __________ Ownership appears to be connected with responsibility too. A person whos an owner tends to be at the position of cause. Taking full action of creation. Putting that person in a position of power? So ownership is connected with the perception of power dynamics in this reality. Seems a little bizarre how this is. So our words create images and concepts that shape the fabric of reality. So our beliefs and words are what create ownership. Without speaking words and creating beliefs its hard to declare ownership or MINErship. Owning a business or "My business". Owning the workers for the business. Owning the products. Its amazing how social constructs such as shareholders makes ownership even more abstract. Investors and estate ownership. Owning majority of a companies collective shares? Owning a supply chain? Owning a market? Owning a niche? Owning commerce? Owning money. Invisible numbers on a paper that is lent out by banks by fractional reserves. Who comes up with this crap. Owning a job? This is my job!! Stop doing my job. Americans identify mainly with their jobs? This job says me. I'm the doctor. No, you're a human that helps other humans.. I'm the therapist. No. You just listen to people and give advice. I'm the lawyer. No, you're a person that sits around talking about rules. No sugar coating identity. Call it what it is. Essentially giving people jobs in trade for time in trade for money.. In trade for ownership of stuff. Owning a house.. owning a box to put stuff in. "I own this property. You can't tell me what to do in my house." Owning a mansion. Owning a movable house. Owning a car and using it as a dwelling. Owning a tent vs owning. Feesimple ownership vs leasehold ownership.. Owning a wife... "This is my wife! She's not your wife because she's my wife." I claimed her as my wife because I got on one knee." Are you single? "No, I have a boyfriend". So you own your boyfriend? To have like property? So the boyfriend is property? Owning 100 cats...... ? + ? = ????^5 Owning children... Having 10 kids? 100 kids? 1000 kids? Is there a limit? Literally, grandparents can have like +70 decendents. If they have 10 kids. Those 10 kids have 5 kids each. Say a person moves to a different country and gets someone pregnant at a club then moves to a different country. How exactly does child ownership work? If the parent doesn't want to be the "owner" (parent) because they didn't want a child. Owning.. Intellectual property.. copy right information. Trademarks. Branding information.. Word marks. Graphic design stuff.. Owning logos.. Google logo. The cross. The peace sign ✌ Owning data? Your information and choices. Financial data.. Interests.. Do you own your phone? Do cellular companies own you? Owning the frequencies? Owning Bluetooth? Owning radiation? Owning resources? Food, water, and shelter. Owning sunlight & electricity? Owning energy? Owning or domestication of animals.. or pets.. Owning a pet store (animal store). Owning Livestock.. Owning the things that derive from animals. Eggs, milk, feathers, meat, and their own offspring. Owning a grocery store? What does the grocery store do with all the food it doesn't sell? Giving ownership of food away? Owning a robot? Owning artifical intelligence? What does that even mean to own an army of robots? Owning automated systems? Owning time? My time zone is.. "Don't waste my time." How much is your time worth? Owning your own mind? My mind is typing this? Am I typing or is my mind typing this unconsciously? Owning your own thoughts. These are Mythoughts™ or does this website claim my information as its information? Get your own thoughts! Stop stealing my thoughts. Actually, these thoughts are worth $2,000,000.99 I'm going to create a course and charge people for "thoughts". I have to let people know these valuable thoughts were my thoughts so "I" gets proper admiration & recognition. Joking. Owning your own body? Donating a heart? Wait, thats my organs.. Owning your arm, your leg, your teeth, your hair. Donating your body to science? Wait, so you can give your body. Selling your hair? Selling blood. I mean, donating blood. Selling sperm? If I'm sleepwalking. Do I own my body? Where am I? Who owns the body when we die? Apparently people want the ashes of their dead parents or pet hamster. Owning a small amount of land to bury a person or a grave? Huh Owning your own soul? Not sure what this means or how this works in this reality. Under mind control? Being possessed by a spirit? Owning everything? I guess that's God? Owning nothing? (And you will be happy...?) I mean, we eventually die & literally can't bring anything with us. Who's to say anything even exists if its all a dream or an illusion or just floating particals. I mean, nearly everything we "own" fades away. Or do these words that are typed on this device on to this website exist forever? I mean, who's to say the internet will be around forever. I mean, 200 years ago all humans were dead (that I'm aware of). Even then thats based on this 3D reality if there is a different dimension of reality then does ownership work on different dimensions? Or is ownership only a thing of this 3D reality. https://youtu.be/QOTVpGfEdqQ

Here's a way of going about it. Every night you relax and begin to fade away till everything is gone. There is no more "you', or the world, just nothingness. Then the mind (God/You) begins to create anything it wants. In a way this is death. Every night you surrender to death, and you have no issues doing so. So next time you take a substance, and feel like you're "dying", reframe it as you're "falling asleep". Maybe this reframing will make the transition smoother.

......... You don't understand what the no self means. The no self means that you are not just one identity, you are an infinite number of identities. Nothingness means that everything isn't made of anything. Its just imagination. What is imagination made up of? Nothing. So everything is nothing and any rules is self imposed by imagination. When you guys on the forums pretend the ego doesn't exist, you are confused. The ego not existing is a tool to get to the true identity of I am. Not I am a human, or I am smart. No I am Infinity, I am ONE, I am everything, I am Nothing, or if you want...silence as all labels are just pointers. The reason Leo says you exist....is because you guys really don't get it. Existence and non existence are the same. Go into a deep sleep with no dream. Without a dream, God/reality does not exist. Without a dream there is no reality. But even then God still exists, because God can DREAM itself into existence. That is how God came to be, it dreamed/imagined itself into existence.

I think there is nothing but word and concept salads. This viewing itself as this as a and b. C and d and e and f and g and h and i and j. Nothingness, emptiness, "vibration", becoming forms and concepts and concepts of concepts, and concepts of concepts of concepts, in the possibleness of infinite, and voila, welcome to existence which you've never not been huh.

Let's try to define the thing. the truth is that we are an unlimited well of total intelligence, total love. limitless wealth. or what is the same, absolutely nothing. the nothingness that is flowing holiness. you recognize yourself completely in infinity, you were always that and you had forgotten. you are home again and your home is total existence. It is as if they make a hole in your chest where you look out to infinity. realizing this constantly, imo is enlightenment. anything else is misery, and something pushes you to find a solution to your misery. So you say you had an enlightenment experience after 2 weeks of meditating. and then? The hole got closed? What did you do to try to escape from the misery?

Still feeling quite sick today. Putting off going to the store until tomorrow so that I don't spread my illness around. Super snotty, super coughy. Sneezy wheezy. Hope it's not Covid. Been thinking a bit about opinions this morning. I know I have a lot of them, but I also realize that most opinions are bullshit. They're just kind of humanly end-all be-all door stoppers to keep a sense of reality afloat. "I feel this way about this, or that way about that." Generally though, life is extremely nuanced and it's damned near impossible to have a world-view that encompasses all the view points. I notice that I tend to stop at, "I like thing, I don't like thing." And not to go much further into it, and think that maybe I should spend more time expanding on my worldviews. I had a friend who used to follow me around on this website years ago who chose the name, "I like thing" for this very reason. I miss him. Hope he is doing well. I've been expanding on my little world while resting in my bed, as there really isn't much else to do while resting. I've hit a road block on a few things, but I have the hunting down, it's kind of hard for me to imagine the specifics of it - I'm not very good at the gritty technical details when it comes to world building. So, how these creatures hunt. Their world is held together by yin energy, the darkness, a miasma. They live pretty much forever, and deaths are almost unheard of. The entire planet is composed of this energy, but through a collective imaginative effort, they are able to manifest an actual planet, complete with medium sized cities, farmland, forests - and such things. It's a mid-tier density level planet in the beginning portions of the astral realm. There are still bodies, and structures and things of this nature, but it is seen to be illusory and are held together for the simple reason of having cohesion and a sense of civilization. These creatures would be considered a step or two above the human realm, which is very dense, it is hard to manifest things into it, and the illusory nature of reality is not so readily apparent. While hunting, these creatures create hunting parties. Different aptitudes and body types will go to a hunting building, put in their name and specifics and wait in a line until an entire hunting party is established. You get to choose the type of creature to wish to take down as well. They work together to take down animals in the same formation that wolf packs use. When a party is created, they are moved into a room together and dissolve the boundaries of their semi-physical reality to return to the dark miasma from which they come. Like removing the boundaries of time and space, but in a select area. While in this space, being made from the same material as the darkness, they turn into these very dark smoke-like creatures that can run along the top and sides of the darkness, as if it was a solid. Within the miasma, all sorts of creatures exist. Some of them are beings made of pure light that travel long distances in between the different points of light, like little whales in their own right swimming through a vast black ocean of nothingness. When one is spotted - there are a few different species - they lack detail and are generally the silver-white outlines of creatures and are easily seen on contrast to the night - they are hunted down to the point of exhaustion and then the "wolf" in front goes in for the kill, grabs it by the neck, gives it a few quick shakes and the deed is done. Then the entire hunting party collectively creates consensus reality again and find themselves back in the hunting room, where they work together de-flesh the animal, to take the parts that they need, put them in bags and take them home to make food out of. Light is sustenance for them. They only hunt creatures of the light that are migrating from different light points, and the society is built so that the numbers and patterns of the different animals hunted are taken into account. They never take more than their share - and have worked hard to create a balanced society. Despite being made from the same substance that "evil" is made from, it is still able to, it it's own right, create a well-meaning hard-working society of entities. This just isn't as common of an occurrence. It is quite an anomaly to have a well-structured society of dark-oriented beings. But they have found that if they don't take too much, focus their immeasurably long lives on balance, that the light permits a reasonable number of sacrifices. Consciousness needs to expand and it doesn't care what your orientation is - light or dark. Those that are on the dark side need to consume light in order to function, but light does not need to consume dark. They have plants, vegetables and things of this nature, but they come from the planet, which is made from the dark miasma and so hunting is an essential part of this culture. My boo Matt likes to be in the front of the pack alignment when he hunts and likes to be the one to go in for the kill. He enjoys when the little creatures squeal their last little breaths as he shakes the life out of them in between his sharp teeth. I mean, despite enjoying humans, he is a demon after all, and demons do like to hunt. It's what they do. The reason why his species is neutral towards humans, why they don't attack or harm human souls while on their way back to source is because humans are a grey area. We aren't all light or all dark, we're both and we are given the free will to choose one or the other. No human lives its entire life completely in the light or the darkness. Because of this, humans are not viewed as food. When moving up through the astral plane, there is a tunnel that human souls go through, and occasionally, maybe one out of 20 million, accidentally get re-routed to this dark planet. They're viewed as a neutral phenomena, and because they aren't food nor contribute to maintaining the structure of the society, if a human soul lands on this planet, they are generally left alone to their own devices. This species of demon is extremely neutral and don't want to shift the delicate balance of their culture by getting involved in anything. After a period of time, God, or sometimes other beings will come to retrieve the human's soul and will reroute it back to where it is destined to go. Matt started to actively search for them, after stumbling across a confused girl - after helping her, letting her stay with him, sharing a bit of his culture and knowledge with her, he began to fancy them. She did end up being retrieved by members of her soul group, and after this experience he decided he would help more. After being one of the top hunters and an accomplish multi-restaurant owner for over a thousand years, he let that go, became depressed and spent the next 500 years in his mansion at the top of one of the richest hills in the city. He would occasionally go hunting for large game, enough to bring home a decent amount so that he didn't have to hunt very often. He would still search for human souls, he would corral them in the neighborhood with a black smoke made from his consciousness and then would bring them to his home until they were gathered up by whomever was destined to come for them. He had a decent social life, many women who were interested in him and a career that he loved - but when he realized that the lock would not activate in his chest he became very depressed. A huge portion of growing, of creating, of living, was to open up this vortex. If you can't do it, what's the point of anything else? So he left it all behind, and would occasionally help the rare human who landed there, but for the most part spent his time alone - sans a few close friends who would check up on him. He had two friends that he did see on a weekly basis, a couple, Wyatt and Maya. He had given Wyatt all his businesses when he retired. They liked to hunt together, and Maya was a beaming socialite who often tried to set him up with new friends that she found. He hated every minute of it, but went along with it to make her happy. Despite all of it, he was a good friend and a decent demon-creature with a big fuzzy heart. He would go to dinner with Wyatt, Maya and whoever she would bring along with her, or at times he would bring them all back to his home and he would show off his cooking skills. Usually at the end of the night, he would wish them all well and send them on their way but occasionally someone who seemed like they could possibly be a good match, he would invite them to stay for a night. But it never worked out. The energy center, that was supposed to activate under the conditions of being able to fall in love, just never happened for him. He became increasingly more depressed. A huge part of being alive, of being this sort of entity, was having that portion of yourself open. It's what all of the prior work that was done was for. Their culture, traditions and civilization was built upon opening this lock and key system, which was a huge contributor in helping to build and maintain the cohesive structure of their reality. They learned early on, that if you don't have love, you don't have a functioning society. But bringing humans home, he felt delighted around them. They were so small compared to him. Generally a foot or two shorter. When moving from one ethereal plane to another, human souls remained relatively young, usually between the ages of 6-20. They didn't have the memories or residue of their previous lives, as this was stripped away from them during the process of death. Occasionally he could access the Akashic records to find information on the life that the human had lived prior to coming there, but this did not happen very often. He built his understanding of the human world and their lives around what he did learn from these chance encounters and came to the conclusion that human life was dense, harsh, and unconnected and he related to the human condition. Humans didn't have a lock and key system, they would never come to understand love the way his kind could, and yet so many of them spent their little, short lives looking for this intangible thing, most of them passing away with only a few short tastes of what it could really be and was. He felt that they were precious in their lack of balance, how they consumed everything in sight without having any understanding into the balance of the universe. He found it interesting that beings of darkness were more loving and aware than these creatures with free will and a grey area in their nature. Some of them could be very beautiful and sweet and some of them commit the most horrible of crimes. They were destined to return to earth time and time again until they had cleared their karma and were eligible to move onto the next level of development. They weren't held down by structure and tradition and culture quite in the same way that he was, they were in their own way, more free and he admired this about them. When they found their way to his home, due to not having any memories, they didn't have the darkness in them that they had accumulated on earth and so he attributed their harmful actions more to the density of the planet/dimension that they came from, and the lack of seeing the entire structure of reality and the consequences that came from the lack of balance with natural harmony. He would teach these things to them, would have them try his people's food, and would show them how to manifest certain things into their reality. Reality in this dimension was a bit more lucid, but you still had to follow some rules. After a day to a month had passed, either God or the human's soul family would create a portal/passage way that allowed the soul to transcend. He had no idea if they retained his lessons or not, but teaching them about his life and his people during the short time that they were there was the only thing that gave him joy in his celibate, dry life. That's all I got for now. I'll think on it today and tomorrow I will write on the lock and key system.

There are two paths to infinity. There is the no self path, or the all self path. The belief that there is no self or ego is another illusion. God is the manifestation of infinity selves, infinity selves= no self. So you can reach infinity through either no identification, or identification with all. When you identify with all you experience Universal Love. When you detach from all identification you experience nothingness the No-Self. Both are the same. Most who follow the traditional Buddhist path have a bias against love awakenings.

Yeah, so you'll never be truly able to experience other people because you are only yourself. But from another standpoint, you really are already completed united with everyone else, that meaning your body and your mind able to dissolve barriers with the others if it is so chosen. As for other singularities/experiences, I am making the claim they exist, but they have to be in the same Nothingness. So two experiences united by the same Void, but they can't know each other because they are only parts without a whole.

The Saint= Avoids all forms of immorality. Upholds the highest moralist virtues. Preaches eternal damnation and suffering for those who do not follow their example. Shadow= Cannot tolerate any forms of immorality done in their presence, the occults. Seeker of Truth= An investigator, a spiritual scientist, a metaphysical explorer, one who seeks the deepest understandings of the foundation of the universe/reality and all that entails. Shadow= The ordinary, the mundane, the non-spiritual, deception, lies, victim-blaming, lack of self-reflection, shallowness. The life of the party= The one who always knows how to raise the energy to rock star extrovert levels, can crack a joke, lead a discussion, and overall keep the energy going for the group all night long. Shadow= obscurity, alone, ignored, looked over/passed over, lack of importance or prestige, The scholar= Has studied the deepest philosophical and scientific truths, theorems, and is on the edge constantly of every major scientific endeavor. Shadow= Mysticism, New Age Spirituality, Hippie culture, religion, counter culture, the occults. The coward= Extremely shy, pessimistic, fearful, already defeated before the battle/struggle. Shadow= The Brave and the Bold, The optimist, the faith believer, the wing it guy, the it will all work out with no explanation guy. The moralist/serious one= Believes there is a right or wrong way to do things. Believes in logic, order, and is almost mechanical in the way they view life. Shadow= jokes, playing around, disorganization, meaninglessness. The warrior= Love the next challenge, seeks to test their skills at every increasing levels, revels in their accomplishments and victories. Shadow= cowardice, loss of control, weakness, victims/victim mentality, emotional expressions of love or fear. The doubter= Thinks everything is fake, because ultimately they view themselves as fake. Struggles to find any truth or meaning in everything. The brother of nihilism. Shadow= Meaning, authenticity, truth, love, purpose, fun, joy. The nihilist= The world, everything is meaningless in a depressive spiral of nothingness towards an endless void of triviality and depravity. Shadow= Love, meaning, inspiration, Joy, Bliss, interconnectedness, Oneness. Add more if you can think of some.

Just cutting to the chase for newcomers. All of these I've personally verified (my journey has been detailed here in the past) and are facets of awakening and levels of consciousness that I cannot describe as they are ineffable. But I'm just going to spoil it all for you. You can verify ALL of this yourself. 1. Why is there something rather than nothing? There isn't anything. No object or physical object you interact with is actually there. There isn't a physical existence to it. It's all illusion. It's nothing, therefore uncreated, therefore necessary, eternal and infinite. This nothing exists alone, as there cannot be two existences as they would have to be nested within a greater reality, ad infinitum. There isn't a ground or limit to the master container of everything else, which is nothingness itself, or infinity. It is one and that is it. 2. You are not a human being. Close your eyes, what do you see? A transparent, empty void. No body. Just pure existence. This empty void is your personal VR set or screen in which all of reality appears. There is nothing but this empty void. THE VOID is hallucinating SOMETHING INSIDE OF IT to create the experience of interacting with something other than itself. Because there isn't anything BUT itself. You are this empty void. This is your True Identity. You can call this God as well. 3. Reality is a VR dream world. And you invented it to explore yourself through different lifetimes, characters, and situations. There is no code in this game. Everything you see and interact with is being rendered on the go through pure magic. You're in the Matrix, but there is no outside to the Matrix. It's infinite. 4. You've never gone anywhere or done anything. You've only imagined that you have through colors sounds and shapes on your VR set (your black screen that appears when you close your eyes). You as god are static and eternal. 5. You have no face. Try to find your face from your own POV. That's right. Instead of your face you have a big edgeless window through which you are interacting with the world, which is your own infinite schizoid mind. Who you really are is indescribable through words. Only you can experience it. Because this window is you. Namaste. : )

They're from the beginning of the Savitri, which is the longest known English poem written in the 20th century! I don't know how to reconcile Nothingness as both Infinite Blackness and Infinite Light, without bridging formlessness and form through something like an eternal recurrence. There's a poem by Charles Baudelaire called Châtiment de l'orgueil, the English translation as "Punishment for Pride":

Very nice. Is it all one poem? Starting as being ‘arraigned by the dark Power that hates all bliss’ and ending as ‘rapt in the heart-beats of God’s ecstasy’ seems appropriate. I particularly like the way the earlier poems describe finding oneself entrenched in the machinations of illusion; it reminds me of the mortification and the Black Sun of the alchemical process. Of course. I have no illusions about what is possible or realistic today; we have to face the realities of our situation. If even in Aristotle's day, prior to the ready availability of sensual delights and overstimulation of every kind, it was true that 'the majority of men are evidently quite slavish in their tastes, preferring a life suitable to beasts,’ how much more true must this be today? The difference in our case is that Western society has ceased to serve any other purpose than catering to the tastes of these “slavish beasts". Those who are so mired in externality and the greed for mere experience, living only for the intoxication of the senses, will of course have a frivolous and sacrilegious attitude towards the sacred. There can be no going back, though. In what Hesiod described as the Heroic Age, situated between the Bronze and the Iron Age, there was the possibility of a temporary restoration of the primordial Golden Age. In the Iron Age, however, there can be no restoration: the only way out is through the dark night; excluding of course the realisation that it is all imaginary anyway. I’m sure that will all sound like a lot of made up nonsense to you. Never mind… Nietzsche has a wonderful insight in this regard: I love the sentence: 'Nothing avails: one must go forward — step by step further into decadence (that is my definition of modern "progress")'! I didn’t mean to imply that Nothingness is actually dark. It is often symbolically represented as such, however, because anything that you positively ascribe to it is false; any ascription is a limitation, and we are talking about that which is beyond limitation. Ah, yes. I actually couldn’t remember where I had heard those funny designations. It must have been when I was reading about him. I’m only really familiar with him through the references of a rather peculiar English occultist called Kenneth Grant. Some of his art seems nice though; that being said, the man he has dubbed “Carl Junk” was undoubtedly a better artist!

@Someone here All the qualia of the present moment and the sights, sounds, smells, taste, touch are deconstructible into Love and Nothingness.

You're referencing Austin Osman Spare? Young Jung could be construed as casually racist (just because of the times he was in), referring to "the lower races" to describe people, like the Aborigines as an example. So when he later used "primitive man" it is actually a lot less offensive, and just pointing out a connection which is the difference between nonlinear mythic thinking you might get from tribal dance and modern rational thinking you'd get at a university. Whether or not this difference of consciousness applies cross-culturally to more importantly historical examples than those in Australia, we could of course point out that none of the pattern could be replicated exactly from place to place, but there has to be a simplicity to complexity or undifferentiation to differentiation somewhere along the lines, in lieu of the serpent and the Tree of Knowledge. I don't know what your proposed alternative to something like the Aboriginal-type analogies is. What is an individual supposed to make of this? It's a very bafflingly complex web of totems, sea of fetishes, and systemic world of sacrifices. Whatever's identifiable is difficult to deal with, and there's a lot that, still, is shadow. Hopefully you should be able to see that an approach like this would be entirely ineffectual. Nobody, literally or metaphorically, is going to in the ages of modernity or postmodernity circumambulate around darkness ritualistically when they are distracted, lured, pulled aside by the lights of various meanings and technologies. The esoteric will frequently become less dark and more illumined by the false lights, as nothing remains internal and everything is spread out to the exterior multitude, or otherwise the individual must, to survive and influence, anyway encounter the brightness of God, a Void, an Everything. The only reason Jesus was obscure was that he was dead, in Nothingness. But Nothingness is not dark: it's completely colorless, and luminously in positive terms upon touching Everythingness. Which is how transient Everything and intransient Nothing meet in psychological aspects.

Have you ever, when you were a child, or perhaps now, felt the call of adventure? Do you know that there are people who voluntarily go to war, who sail alone through Antarctica, who find fulfillment in a knife fight? why do you think this happens? That would be you if you weren't afraid. Do you like movies where the protagonist faces death, torture? why would you like something like that? why does everyone like that? because it is deep, it is diving into the wells of existence. Do you think that God, the very existence that arises from unlimited nothingness and is perfect love, brilliant goodness, would be afraid to give himself up to martyrdom for the sake of depth, of greater love?

@Someone here Black is like nighttime: it's the unknown, the unseen, the shadows, the invisible, the out-of-consciousness. At night, everything is more difficult to see under a lens of obscurity. When you lose contact with all of the outside world by shutting your eyes and not really viewing anything, you see a black screen or shifting behind-eyelids colors or whatnot (maybe you'll have visions). That's why people associate blackness with night, shadows, sleep, closed eyelids, and since people have a difficult time becoming aware of actual Nothingness, they're left with this pseudo-Nothingness, they think of the closest thing they have to Nothingness (sleep) but have a hard time thinking about what sleep actually is (because deep dreamlessness is something they can't truly be aware of); so they associate it with the next closest thing (falling asleep or looking behind your eyelids so that you are effectively but not technically blind). If you want to actually "see" Nothingness, since we're using the traits of various colors, try analyzing all of your visual field, all of the colors. Then move to your peripheral vision. Then move outside of your peripheral vision! You'll notice that there's Nothing there, just a Void. And hopefully you'll be able to recognize that that same Void is inside your visual field as well and is the substance of all of reality.