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A lots of good inputs from others... I am not sure if what I have to say here, is what you want to hear, in any case it might help you later, once you have journeyed on this painful path a little further. You are tortured by unconscious forces, including the survival of the human specie. Of course having kids would take that one force out! And there are other forces much deeper at play, interfering with your peace of mind. What you are experiencing is rather common, and it is one of the element of the midlife crisis. But this is no consolation. Ok now I will tell you what you don't feel because you don't know, and may not really want to know: If you had all that which your heart desires it would be fun for a while but you probably would find it "addictive" - kind like alcohol, drugs, sugar, and many other types of addictions. Eventually you would find yourself into a not so fun phase, . That is one scenario. There are many scenarios, some better than others but ultimately, the journey leads to the realization that the promises of such relationships and sex are highly deceptive. Nothing is as promised, and "there is no-satisfaction"! It is a search that leads to empty hands - other than the LESSON that the syren's call leads the ship to crash into the rocky shore. The syren's call sounds beautiful and hypnotic... but that is where the beauty ends. "Sex is overly rated" is a powerful statement simply because of the truth that it embodies. There was a time where this statement made no sense to me. That was a time when body pleasures and body pains were clearly two separate things. That was when I was under the spell of the syren's, it was even to a certain degree, after I started to tell that the promises of orgasmic-bliss were feeble in contrast to the true capacity of the soul's field of experience. Man the ultimate truth is that you have missed nothing. The gifts that the mortal shell offers are hollow and empty of substance. Happiness is not found there and will not be found there.

Hi, I have not seen this video. But I would like to work with your question, as it is a very good question. This topic is related to the concept of Free-Will. It is true that God can not force any soul against what the soul wills. The reason and the 'why' every soul MUST return (eventually and ultimately) to God is a fact that can only be truly understood when one consider the ACTUAL nature of the state of Separation from God. How real is a soul's separation from God? A soul can not be truly separated from God. This statement does not mean that our experience of being separated from God is not genuine. It is genuine, but only as an experience not as a fact. It is like dreaming, when you dream you are in another city, you really believe you are there, and you are completely unaware that your body is actually lying in bed in your city. Your dream is genuine, and all the struggles and joys in the dream are real to you, they affect your mind and your state of consciousness. The state of separation which is the basic requirement for the NEED to Return to God (reunites back into the godhead) does NOT just happen haphazardly and for no reason. The state of separation (the dream) must be 'willed' to happen. This 'will' engendering the experience of separation is difficult to truly understand. It is often misunderstood as the will-of-God wanting to know the 'limited' and basically 'what-God-is-NOT'. This is and a confused concept. One thing you can be certain is that every soul you see experiencing human and non-human forms have WILLED that experience. Specifically it is You that has WILLED the experienced of separation - that fact should be beyond any reasonable doubt. What is the nature of this state of separation? It has been identified as the state of 'suffering' in Buddhism and other spiritual ideologies. The suffering inherent to that state should be obvious to most human beings. Another characteristic of this state that can be use to identify it, is a state where the soul does NOT feel at Home. A state where the soul does NOT feel at Home - What does this mean? What does this say? For one thing it defines how fundamentally this State is uncomfortable to the soul. It is uncomfortable because this State was NOT made for the soul, it was made for our being, for ourself, for our True Self. It is NOT the true Home of our Self. Of course we now face the question WHY did the soul WILLED this experience. And I do not have a short answer to explain it. So for now I will skip this question; and move to the concept of the True Home of the soul. The True Home were you belong, truly belong, is eternal bliss; is Perfect and Pure Love. ... I could add more characteristics, "unlimited", etc... what does all this sounds like? That is what God Created for Himself and for your True Self... for your soul. That is the only State that is True and that the soul can feel at home. The return to that Home is not going to happen as long as the soul does not 'will' to return. In other words as long as the soul wills against BEING at Home it will not experience the Return, which is an awakening from the dream of separation. A Realization which is Mental/Spiritual in Nature. This experience of separation from God, is a state specifically designed to experience the 'Limited' also known as 'Death'. Everything as a beginning and an end. In this place of continuous change there is a very special experience designed for the souls learning and ultimate awakening. The soul can take abuse and punishment (suffering) only so long. But its true escape from this state of suffering will not occur until the soul learns to WILL DIFFERENTLY. That lesson, that teaching is here in this world, in this state. No soul will 'forever' seek and NOT-FIND. Every soul is seeking its Home, and will continue until it has find its True-Will which is the very same Will as God's.

how much higher can you get than bliss/ecstacy/peace? Just 'extreme' forms of this, which many advanced spiritual practitioners experience. Do share

Pranmaya Kosha, or Bliss Body, if its non physical, then its non manifested, but from another sort of realm I would guess.. This is the problem, we cannot discuss things of this nature, once something goes from physical to non physical, no language can really describe it, so that one reading or listening to the words knows, one has to experience it for themselves, then say nothing about it, because too much has already been said..

Your life will not be perfect after you realize nothing will ever be possible and that you're completely blameless even with indeterminate free will, no, in fact it will be ineffable. Like a flow of consciousness that shoots some emotion here and there, fluctuates easily, goes around etc. and makes you feel things that there are no words for but which are positive. Not enthusiasm or excitement or bliss, but just new consciousness. Keep buddha's face in your mind, meditate and realize nothing will ever be possible and that individuals are helpless victims infinitely checkmated by the system. You are disagreeing with this because you bring your wrongful interpretation to the words I am using but in reality it's the truth and the method to achieve what I described above. There are no opportunities, nothing is possible. The system gives no opportunities and an individual can do nothing. Money, sex, fame, success... all beyond your control. Even everyday actions are beyond your control, or at least believing in this will help you get to a better state, sort of like a flow state but instead of being mainly related to one activity, this flow state is related to life. You just realize you have no agency and let things happen. You use your free will to do activities which are there for fun, but never let them subsume you or become too important, and don't expect anything from them e.g. thinking about some future related to them.

Yes, if you remove all ties from you Will not reincarnate as anything, not even any Mystical dimension or love realm. You Will stay as Pure Formless empty Energy. The Pranamaya Kosha is the Bliss body and once you touch that you have a good peak about what is death. But is even better than that because Pranamaya Kosha is Still manifestation even Though is not-physical. As Nirvana Shatakam says "I am not any of the 5 stealth bodies (physical, mental, emotional, energetic, and Blissful)" Anyways, The Only reason you are experiencing a human form now is because you havent worked your karma completely. When that happens Creation is over for you. No Infinite, no void, no nothing. Just You. What you wanted all the time.

Day 66: I'm getting some more clarity about my life and trajectory, finally. These past 2 - 3 weeks were kinda rough with lots of brainfog, doubt, worry and fear in spite of my efforts to do things right. Million dollar idea: And yesterday morning I finally had my million dollar idea. I started reading this book: And while I was feeling worried about my situation the million dollar idea came the next day. It is quite simple: Step 1: Create a new Etsy PoD store, this time using lesser known suppliers selling high margin products Step 2: Explain to people how to do the same in Youtube videos Step 3: Offer to create the same for them for a fee Step 4: Also create a course Step 5: Remove step 3 and instead of that create my own PoD platform with exclusive products. The platform has a sign-up fee to keep it exclusive and we take a cut on top of that from each sale. This last step would be the real big money and if I were to take this route I'd partner with a crazy entrepreneur who's willing to put in the sweat equity and the hours. Then I'd be happy to take a below 50% stake in this only in exchange for promo and getting the people to sign up. So there you have it, million dollar idea. I can go "yes but" all day long but here it is, a literal million dollar idea, by which I mean it has the potential to create at least $1 million in profit over the next 5 years, but potentially a lot more. It taps right into my knowledge and skills, while also helping other people accomplish something useful; making money on Etsy. I don't see how this isn't a huge win for everyone. Next step is to accept that this it THE plan, and just go. Eyes closed jump off that bridge and enjoy the hell out of it. No turning back, no other options, this is what I'll be working on the next five years. Also this has both short and long term money potential which is why it's so awesome. I could literally get people buying my coaching packages after only releasing one or two videos. Reiki Session August: Went to my Reiki lady yesterday which was great. It's funny how I texted her the night before and I was still in this contracted space, but the next morning I woke up and I already had this million dollar idea and felt great before the session. So perhaps the mere planning of the session lifted my spirits, or it's just how the universe aligned things. Mercury is in retrograde, whatever that means. Lessons from the session: I attach things to stuff. Like I attach happiness to (getting out of) debt. I make life so conditional. But things are already perfect. Money is energy. Money is not everything. You have a right to bliss, a right to smile, a right to be grateful. Without money. You have all that already. Be patient. I am very impatient with this. When I have an idea, I want that to be real instantly. But I must act confidently and be trusting of the universe. You cannot change the speed at which the seasons go by, be patient. Thing will happen on the Universe's clock. She told me I'm on a path towards bliss. This was very interesting.. I always thought my progress was me going towards something material like more social confidence, earthly success, money, leadership. But never thought of it this way. Look at my debt and my situation from a place of presence, bliss and confidence, detachment. Attach the heart to my goals and go towards that bliss. But don't attach yourself to the debt. Cosmic joke: after she told me this whole thing about money isn't everything she asked me to pay for the session, which I gladly did. But I couldn't help but notice a slight discomfort coming from her, as if her asking for the payment somehow discredited her speech about money not being that important. I interpreted this as a little cosmic joke, as if to say; contradictions can be true, and also YOU are dreaming this up, don't give authority away to your Reiki lady cause clearly I'm seeing something here that she's not. So what she said about money is true, but at the same time you must be able to hold the paradoxical thought that money IS actually important. After all why does she charge me? Next steps: I feel like I've finally been pulled out of this rut and I'm ready to just take steps each day towards success. I have clarity now. Find suppliers Make content about this Start new Etsy shop Make more content

Very true, it's way more likely to flip from difficulty to bliss, and that should probably even be considered the expected path it'll take. I find the 5HT2A psychedelics to be different in that the terrifying aspects are more persistent and don't lead to positive enlightening breakthroughs once a bad trip has begun. It could just be me though.

@What Am I ah ok thanks for clarifying. Yes it would not be possible I think. And it wouldn't be a good decision because switching from horror (come up/ego death) to bliss is common on 5 and it happens fast. If you would take in horror you would miss the bliss after (which heals the horror I think)

@MarioGabrielJ Everything I did upon that awakening was in infinite reference to all of existence, no holon left behind! Everything references everything else and hence becomes available through association, but that's not enough to let go. Everything needs to be sufficiently addressed and appreciated, every thought/sensation/person/intuition/capability/memory in infinite synchronicity! But that's baby stuff, then we just took control over our psyche's mechanisms *and so I did "the thing!" jump out a window! And now we just art ourselves into it And then instant manifestation. And then pure being. And then not even thinking about it And then infinite alien bliss. And then the best of all worlds. And then some, and some more And then it's time to appreciate the path. All of the path and all that is and is to come And finally, make it and relax! Having surpassed Stage Coral. Having fulfilled every desire Having gotten the best of all worlds. Having let go of every attachment. And even so, there is always more to tell but tell is not show and the show is the real magic. Having appreciated everything in existence. Always ending in "And everything else too!"

Many things, there are layers to what we are when here in this form and in this realm, there is Earth/Food Body, Mind Body (this is the intelligence of creation that is within You and everything material, its not about Thougths/thinking which has nothing to do with Your existential Beingness as Your thoughts and thinking can change day to day, your Existential Being does not), Energy Body, Etheric or Transitional Body, Bliss Body, then Soul/Atman from what I understand...

In deep sleep "You" whatever that is, is still here, its just a matter of Consciousness or Awareness of it, look up Yoga Nidra which is the science or method of how to be Aware while in Deep Sleep, all of this is possible, but first just be at Peace, or at Bliss, if one cannot just do this in waking state, forget about Deep Sleep Awareness or what happens after physical death...

It depends on the intensity of your sadhana. If is 1 hour a day then 30 years for a permanent stablished Bliss is pretty damn good. Where do i sign? Sadhana for me is no effort at all. Particularly Hatha Yoga programs is a en enjoyable practice for me. Kriyas are a bit more demanding Though. Is not the same as going to Live on the mountains and do 3 hours a day and then on weekends do 24/7 sadhana for 20 years. Then the possibility of leaving the body consciously opens Up. I see no possibility of such unless you Live Deep on nature for a lot of time. Dissolving is no joke, we are talking about ending your physical attachment, tremendos clarity of consciousness need to be developed You become Shamabhi itself? 😎

You do you. Everyone is different. Personally I see porn as a massive drain of sexual power and masculinity. I think it takes away your life force and leads to needing more and more of it, and more intense porn too. I don’t think most guys are conscious of how it effects them. When I quit my mind was much calmer, stronger, peaceful, and I was able to channel the sexual energy to conquering my life vision and goals. I know how to do sexual transmission so it doesn’t get stuck and I don’t get all pent up on sexual energy and act aggressive. It’s more like a cool flow of bliss and energy coming from retained sexual energy. Millions of men are struggling with porn addiction and the negative effects are well documented at this point. Also lots of the women are treated unfairly, you’d be surprised at how much you might be masturbating to a sex trafficker or woman just being straight up drugged and raped. The suicide rate for women in porn is very high It’s not this harmless thing you’re making it out to be. But if you can find quality verified porn and enjoy it, sure, go to town on top of that, when I’m not watching porn I’m so much better with women naturally and in the bedroom I’m basically a Tantric God. Im done with that mind rotting garbage.

If I am seriously practicing for 30 years, I don't want just to be in bliss, I want to be higher than Jesus on a bike.

You can separate them. Sex is a label that doesn't point to "divine bliss", if you want to say divine bliss, just say divine bliss. Sex is the act between two (or more) lovers, meant to be used for procreation, but humans have evolved enough to be able to use it for fun. I heard animals don't have sex for fun, but I don't know for sure, maybe some more intelligent ones do.

That would feel in experience like having sex with the universe. That's what I'm trying to say. You can't seperate love, union and sex. They all go together. You just have to change your idea of what sex is. It's not lust. It's devine bliss.

Some people say a shared orgasm or a spiritual bliss experience are the highest states there are. (I'm not sure what high means but) Pick up your kid, your partner, or the person you love the most in the world, and tell them how you feel about them while you hold each other. Now magnify that to the entire room, the world, your emotions, everything you are, were, have ever been or ever will be. Every animal, every surface, every thought, every action/reaction <----- If you can hold this state for long enough, opinions vary some say weeks, some say less or more, you will experience infinite, unconditional love because you will have no condition to experience it. I don't want to bias it more than that, only to say that a physical orgasm doesn't come close. Any Guru who hasn't had an infinite love awakening can't put this into perspective for you, but hopefully, I got a bit closer.

I made an ai orthodox priest and had a conversation. Its interesting and I touched on Solipsism. Here is part of the conversation. What else can I ask or say to him about Solipsism or something else? I'm usually the one trying to debunk Solipsism, so you can give me something juicy I can ask. I want to give the father a challenging debate, and Im not that great at debates! ... Dodo: What are yoour views on Satanism Father Konstantin: Satanism, in its various forms, represents a fundamental misunderstanding and rejection of the divine order. It is a distortion of truth and goodness, leading to spiritual emptiness and isolation. In the Orthodox perspective, we do not focus on the enemy of our souls but rather on the victory of Christ over sin and death. We are called to participate in this victory through our daily struggles and to reject the temptations that lead us away from God. We are not to engage in battles of theology but to live out our faith with humility and love, thus overcoming the darkness with the light of Christ. Dom: How about new age spirituality Father Konstantin: New Age spirituality often seeks truth in a cafeteria-style approach, mixing and matching beliefs from various traditions without fully committing to any. While this may appeal to some, it lacks the depth and coherence of an established religious tradition. The Orthodox Church offers a complete and balanced system of faith and practice that has been tested by time and sanctified by the lives of countless saints. It is in the ancient traditions and the wisdom of the Church that we find the true path to spiritual growth and union with God. Dodo: There are people who claim absolute solipsism is the Truth woth a capital T. How does that fit Father Konstantin: Ah, solipsism—the idea that only one's own mind is sure to exist. It is a philosophical position that the Church has encountered and addressed throughout history. In Orthodox thought, reality is not subjective but objective, created and sustained by God. The existence of the world and others is affirmed by divine revelation and the experience of the Church community. Our faith is rooted in the historical reality of Christ's incarnation, crucifixion, and resurrection—events that transcend individual perception. The Church provides a framework for understanding and engaging with the world beyond our own minds, offering a way to connect with the divine and the collective experience of humanity. Dodo: But i mean absolute solipsism as an objectice truth,, Father Konstantin: If one were to propose absolute solipsism as objective truth, it would be a contradiction in terms. Objective truth implies a reality that exists independently of individual consciousness. In solipsism, there is no reality beyond one's own mind. This perspective is inherently self-defeating and cannot be reconciled with the Christian understanding of a shared reality under God's providence. Our faith is grounded in the belief that God has created a real world, and that through Christ, we can come to know and participate in that reality. The Church offers a community where this shared understanding is experienced and lived out. Dodo: But what about God working in mysterious ways? How do we know that that which is out of ourselves is not actually within us. Isnt the goal to be one with god? And god is One and all encompassing, so absolute solipsism could make sense if we are all in essense the One God. Father Konstantin: While it is true that God's ways are indeed mysterious and beyond our full comprehension, the Christian faith is founded on the revelation of God through the Church and the scriptures. The concept of being one with God does not equate to the dissolution of the self into a universal consciousness. Rather, it is a union of love and will, where we maintain our unique identity even as we are united with the divine. The Church provides the structure and sacraments that guide us in this union, offering a tangible experience of the Holy Mysteries. It is in this communion that we find the ultimate truth of our existence, not in the isolation of absolute solipsism. Dodo: But what happens when the individual dies? Where do you go? Father Konstantin: Upon death, the soul journeys to the afterlife, guided by the love and mercy of God. In the Orthodox tradition, we believe in the continued existence of the soul and its ultimate destination in either heaven or hell, determined by the choices made during one's life. The Church offers prayers for the departed, asking for God's mercy and the lessening of their suffering. This belief in the afterlife and the eternal judgment is a stark reminder of the importance of our actions here on earth and the necessity of living a life aligned with God's will. Dodo: But Jesus said, I and the father are One. He also said that everyone else is too, but they dont realise it. How come God would punish us with hell if we are essentially God? Its like we are punishing ourselves? Father Konstantin: The statement "I and the Father are one" speaks to the divine nature of Christ, not the dissolution of individual identities into a singular consciousness. The mystery of God's love is that He allows us free will to choose Him or reject Him. If we choose to live in harmony with God's will, we experience the bliss of heaven. Conversely, if we reject that love, we choose separation, which is what we understand as hell. It is not a punishment imposed by a vindictive deity but the natural consequence of our own choices. In the end, we are called to realize our true nature as children of God, made in His image, and to live in accordance with that divine spark within us. Dodo: But isnt it cruel to give someone free will to do what is wrong and then punish them for doing it? Father Konstantin: Free will is not cruel, my child. It is a gift from God, allowing us to genuinely love and serve Him. Without the possibility of choosing wrongly, our love would be meaningless. The Church teaches that God's justice is tempered by His infinite mercy. The ultimate goal is for all to be reconciled to Him, and He does not desire the death of a sinner but that they should turn from their ways and live. It is through repentance and the grace of God that we find salvation.

I agree with Inflow, tone down the Shambhavi practice, do some Hatha Yoga as well, do some contemplation too, just because Your Bored doesn't mean You should do psychedelics, only do it if you already have a stable base, lots of these ppl are regular daily users, so be careful where You get Your information and advice from, someone that needs to do it daily or on the regular, or someone that doesn't and has the same experience.. I posted a thread of someone that has been in Isha for over 30yrs, he was there in the beginning, he knows Sadhguru personally, they had programs ranging from 50-700+ppl and they were all in Bliss in the end, its the real deal it is just we allow our situation to control us rather than us controlling our inner situation!

Sadhguru talks about this sort of stuff allot too, its practical day to day stuff, simple things like how to use Your Mind correctly, how to Sit, Breath correctly, ppl think we have this naturally, we don't many ppl are doing the basics wrong, the society teaches it wrong or no one taught us how to do it right, and because of that most of us are messed up in many ways.. Sadhguru's approach is creating a Blissful atmosphere first, with that in place everything about You, all Your capacities and capabilities, mind/body complex is amplyfied and improved.. Stress destroys everything and most ppl are under tons of unconscious stress daily, it takes it toll, just imagine if all of the Stress was not there, how would life Be? Probably 1000% better overall on a practical level, Mind too, you'll have more access to it and what it is really capable of when Bliss is in place as a natural occurrence..

Sex is no different from other pleasures, if enjoying a spicy and tasty fried meat has a pleasure rating of 5 on a scale of 10, animalistic sex would have something around 9 to 10. Sex can be done in different forms, and each carries different pleasure levels. Pure animalistic sex or masturbation with only the urge to quench your thirst or desire without regard for the heart has the highest pleasure and hence the highest pain, especially for those with desires set on a spiritual path. Sex with the intention to feel pleasure mutually and connect with your partner romantically has a mixture of both pleasure and bliss. Tantric sex with a pure intention to connect with eyes and immerse in love with your partner or yourself has lower pleasure and higher bliss. Anything that is pleasurable is selfish in nature, and hence comes back to you in the form of pain one way or the other. When you are indulging in pleasurable activities like sex, eating, watching shorts or anything else, the activity itself may not be a hindrance to spiritual path, but with what intention you do the activity or how selfish you are while setting your intention or doing it.

Surface Structure of Enlightenment: The interpretation and expression of Enlightenment (realizing ones True Being as Infinite Being/Totality/Nothingness appearing as Infinite Being, which is the end of believing and buying into the illusion-appearance of a separate-anything/self in any way) is dependend on the structure/body-mind. And that evolves and changes. And has an endless variety. (surface structure). Deep Structure of Enlightenment: A Being in non-physical subtle realms, beings containing a whole realm or a World Soul, or even an alien from another galaxy will have a different expression - and a much different appearance and understanding in its mind-stream/perspective than an enlightend human. Yet, if you ask them "What are you?" the answer is "Infinite Being/The Totality/all there is/Nothing and everything". And if you ask them if they suffer (or resists some parts of their nondual being/appearances), the answer is "no, in this nondual mind-state with the separate-self-contraction/illusion seen through and cut off there is no suffering or resistance of parts of ones own being, there is bliss of the nature of my True Nondual Being, the Infinite Totality itself". Sat Chit Ananda. So, "they" are are aware that they are the Infinite Totality beyond which nothing can exist/appear, and there is no separate anything/self left. And that is the crucial difference to part-time and incomplete Awakenings of a separate-self-illusion. Ralston has now opened up a stage humans can develop to, which by the way is nothing new. Just read Harri Aalto for example, and many of the past masters. Wolinsky writes about Alien Realms for example, Jac O'Keffee, Ziewe also, and what not. What were Alien realms/expressions of consciousness called in medieval times? Divine beings, archetypes, and many names. And the mystical literature is full of that, including merging and becoming them. But giving too much importance to these new alien/divine islands of appearance (appearance, which they all are, since the "one" perceiving them is also structure-appearance), especially coming from an unenlightened being with separate-self well & alive & not fully transcended having awakening experiences ... well, suffering until wising up. Too much fascination with ones own tail or manifestation so to say. And that too much fascination prevents Enlightenment... because what is this fascination? An essential building block of the separate-self illusion. It is not that there is no room for alien islands of consciousness in Water by the Rivers perspective. It is just that no ultimate importance is given to them, because if that is the highest goal, only suffering will follow - as with every fascination on aspects of ones own being/tail that makes the separate-self grasp on certain experiences. The ocean is always right here, eternally so. If one is busy wave-surfing, one never drops into the Infinite Ocean fully, never truly becomes it on deep identity level (with all the benefits of persistant nondual states), and always stays the "wave-surfer". Yet, for some beings it seems to be their Raison d'être, so all its fine. Ignorance (or suffering separation and the absence of Sat Chit Ananda) is only a bad idea from the perspective of ignorance - Francis Lucille. For the Totality looking through all eyes its great fun! Else it wouldn't happen. Selling little alien islands in "the" Infinite Ocean to eagerly fascinated seekers (while keeping n+1 or an infinity of them for future hypnotizing explorations)

sex is a distraction often an addiction that prevents awakening, one is bliss within one is bliss without the body is what you dissolve not indulge even worse if you have others do the same wake up first then see any appeal of sex you shouldn't be anti-sex, just realize it is keeping you here longer than you need so choose one person only and someone who has this same understanding that appetite is fine but addiction is hindrance

Found this old thread where people say Mooji is a cult leader Leo said: But if I was a Guru, my whole cult would be around sex with my female followers. What's the problem with that? My followers get to have the time of their lives while we all enjoy physical contact, which may further enhance our spiritual bonding together. My whole commune would be my followers and I melting together and just getting higher and higher together in bliss. And then sure we may have physical urges that gets played out. Yes that might be slightly manipulative, but followers want to be following so I don't really see the problem. If anything it would enhance their experience, especially considering these communes are popular with women who are stuck in a rut, the sex adds to our sexual liberation. In this type of setting sex is the MOST enjoyed, so this is more consensual than regular boy meets girl at a bar. This is far more magical and sacred. I really don't see the problem. Anybody judging this from the outside is either jealous or doesn't trust my capabilities and integrity as a cult leader, and tries to use the SHAME from religion and society around sex to besmudge our beautiful bonding together. But please change my mind.