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Have you awakened to nothingness? If you have not then you will not understand the point I am making. The closest I can get to proving an example is remember that time when you went into DEEP SLEEP and were no longer aware of your existence? That is what the substance of reality is made of. It's literally made up of that which does not exist. This is what is meant by you do not exist, your true nature is never affected by the world because the world cannot touch it. Your ego gives you the illusion of physicality. Everything is just pure imagination, until you become aware that everything is pure imagination which is literally nothing then you will always be confused about whether something can exist without. NOTHING can exist without you it's literally impossible and how you accomplish that impossibility is you tell yourself you are a human.

Ohhhhh so now you are saying there are two selves? Wait a minute James you are contradicting yourself now Also I don't suffer my life is going very well actually. Also what you don't know is TRUE BEING=DEATH. It doesn't have a self to even have a life. And then it is also LIFE because it is eternal and cannot die. So it is both Life and Death. The problem is you haven't awakened to both aspects, so you can only speak from your limited perspective.

@Princess ArabiaThey are being fed into my consciousness by God to annoy me. I see it alot more when I first awakened, dozens of them talking for hours per video saying the exact same thing over and over and over. On youtube or the answer you want in my own head.

@DodoHow I would explain that to me was that you were in an awakened state, you saw the interconnectedness and at the same time a deep psychological pattern/archetype in your ego was activated. The archetype for making sacrifices for the higher good. So this was a mix of ego and enlightenment, which can lead to delusional decisions. It is still unbelievable to see how you were not afraid to jump. I mean you were still in reality and knew the consequences. It needs immense force to do that. I am glad you slowly recover from that.

Hello, This post is one of the most interesting post you will see. I'm trying to do the opposite of what actualized.org teaches. I'm trying to quit meditation, I can't. I've tried to lie to myself and follow a belief system , I couldn't. I tried to quit the work several times , but every time I come back to either Actualized.org or Meditating. I'm posting this to ask you how to quit ? and why can't I ? I'm tired of not reaching Awakening, and at the same time being interested in Spirituality. I sit and watch my Breath every day, why do I keep doing it ? I thought like I've chosen this path at conscious will , but it seems now that the path got me in its trap.. I spend everyday at least a while meditating or contemplating about the nature of existence. I don't have problem doing that ,in fact my problem comes entirely from being tied to wasted effort. If I spend this time worrying about my future or my career , wouldn't I be better off ? The problem is I keep coming back to it , I come back to meditating , I observe my thoughts and don't engage with them , i try to contemplate. But at the end I'm not an awakened being , so Why am I wasting all this effort ? Did I choose the path , or did the path choose me ? I don't know. Does anybody suffer from the same problem ? I just want to live like a normal guy , but I can't ! I always come back to meditating , it's a form of addiction to me its embedded to my personality. What do you think my future will be ? Will I reach any kind of spiritual understanding ? Did you ever get stuck like that ? Is this a part of the process ? Sorry for the long rant, I am looking forward to see if someone relates.

@Someone here But that is only revealed to you if you are deeply conscious of it. You have to be awakened right now to know that. We live within the confides of the ego. I am very skeptical of people who say they are awakened because I know how deeply profound and tricky it is You can be in the moment and feel completely calm and present. Blissful. But this is not the same thing as actually being aware that this is the deepest truth. There’s a huge leap there consciously that you’re not considering. You can tell yourself that’s the case and feel good about it and intuit it but again that is not the same thing. A conscious opening has to happen where it actually feels true in your bones and in your soul absolutely. In that moment you are not human. On psychedelics you can get that but with waking consciousness you would have to be mystic. I don’t believe you have that level of awakening

@Inliytened1 I can only say that the path to awakening comes with a heavy price. There’s a lot of suffering and sacrifice. It’s not like I haven’t done a lot of spiritual work because I have. I have never done psychedelics for recreation, only for my own personal and spiritual growth. I have gained a lot from it Leo has said before in one of his videos that he sometimes regrets going so deep into it because once you do the game is up. I don’t know how he feels about this now but this chimes with my thinking that we’re in this world to live life even if it is a dream but walk in the world with one foot grounded in consciousness In terms of the matrix it’s all to a degree. I am not so unconscious that I do not have a connection to the divine through presence and the felt experience. I intuit more deeply life situations however I am not awakened to divine truth in each passing moment. I do get lost in the moment as the majority of people do. There are so few human on the planet that are actually awakened like that. Painfully small. Probably no one on this forum. Maybe just a handful on people

@Carl-Richard it’s not as easy as that though. Yes you’re right but you’re not considering how hard it is to cut through. If it was easy then everyone would be ‘awakened’. I doubt you are as there are so few humans that actually are and if they say they are I’m very skeptical Also just expand on that - so you’re saying death is sleep? Many teachers would say it is in death that you become awake There’s a massive chasm between saying this right now is truth and actually being completely fucking conscious of the truth. One is intellectual another is total and absolute enlightenment. I understand that there are degrees of truth and that you can get closer to it but to be full awakened to it right now. Wow. Just wow

So you have no bias towards the Parson's perspective vs Nisargadatta? If so why did you become so defensive when I felt one was awakened and the other was not? You can lash out at me all you want but that was not a normal response that you gave me. Rather then reacting with thoughtful opinions or intelligent feedback you just said. OK thanks boss. But you want to block me.

Like... words not actually describing or being the thing it refers to? This issue of words keeps popping into my contemplations in a most unwanted way... some rather rude thoughts from my morning 'walking the dog contemplation' : The word 'LIGHT' Turn on the light - means illumination This crowbar is light - means not heavy I prefer light colours - pale, not dark I am a light sleeper - means easily awakened Same word - four meanings. The only thing that tells you which is which is the context. So my only derivation is that a word doesn't describe a thing on its own - the context activates the meaning. Words are symbols. Not the actual thing. Meaning is not in the word. So this naturally must mess with experience right? See a tree and instead of sensing bark, smell, sound, light flicker - my brain goes 'tree'. Directness is gone, mystery deleted. And I stop seeing - I think 'tree' and the language effectively stole my true experience. And the 'borrowing context' further minces the pie - associations from past uses of a word dump all over new experiences...

To me, it says that when you are awakened, it is the same life as you were living before. In modern terms: Before Enlightenment: Get up early to go to work. It's a one-hour drive, and traffic is congested. The boss is always grumpy. Only get a 30-minute lunch break. It's a one-hour drive home, and traffic is congested. Greet your wife at home and ask for some loving. She points a finger at you and says, "NO!" After Enlightenment: Get up early to go to work. It's a one-hour drive, and traffic is congested. The boss is always grumpy. Only get a 30-minute lunch break. It's a one-hour drive home, and traffic is congested. Greet your wife at home and ask for some loving. She points a finger at you and says, "NO!" The difference is one's state of consciousness. Before the Enlightenment, the person is carrying around all the emotional baggage from one point to the next. And he is carrying around yesterday's, last week's, last year's crap too. After enlightenment, he isn't carrying anything from one point to the next. James 123 says it above.

I've awakened that there is no difference between the human perspective and God. We only use terms like human, and God because the experience is different. But its the same being there every time. For example I once left my body and went straight to God. I was an infinite mind creating things on the fly. While I was in that state....I still remembered I use to be a human only moments before and my thinking didn't change. All that happened was I was communicating with an Infinite Intelligence, had no freaking body at all ( I was like a camera basically lol just witnessing and communicating telepathically with what was there. At that point I started to feel sad because I thought my like has ended in my 30's and I wanted to complete the human life and as soon as I had that thought....Reality Pixealted itself back into the human life that I had known earlier and I was back being the human version of me again.

Examples such as Osho or Robert Adams. If you want to get an idea of what it feels like to witness Jesus or Buddha then watch Osho & Robert .truly awakened people. Not mentioning Leo because he is still young .Once his beard turns gray then you can add him lol.

@Breakingthewall There's quite a bit of escapism masquerading as truth seeking 'awakened' spirituality, it's not much different than from most religious ideologies and mystical musings. People trying to make sense of life and the human condition with all of its challenges and hardships to find some respite from it all. Many of the things I say may on the surface seem similar to the many 'spiritual' things others talk about but I'm not sure the perspectives are all that similar. I transcend the conditional to abide in well being which is expressed in conscious experience so I can celebrate life through all its twists and turns. Labeling things as 'true or false' and 'real or illusion' has little value for this. It doesn't matter to me if my words or conceptualizations align with others, I just look at the fruit of it. If whatever someone says or believes about it brings well being in their conscious experience, then who am I to say it's 'wrong' or 'bad'. The words or concepts aren't the fruit, what it produces in their inner life and how it expresses is the fruit.

Umm you can....and its not Spiritual ego. If you think thats Spiritual ego...then you are creating a Spiritual ego to be afraid of....which is Spiritual ego. No self is nothing. The other stuff I just mentioned are the other facets of the Universal Mind that you are. If you have not awakened to Absolute Goodness and Perfection then you couldn't even properly understand Morality for example. So there is a ton of integration there to be had. But hey...assume you are the expert here and fall into the very ego you fear. That which you fear you resist, that which resists, persists.

You are right. The idea that an awakened mind is always silent is a false image, an ideal born of thought. However, The observer and the observed are not separate, they are the same movement. And when one recognize this, deeply, not intellectually, the division ends. In that ending, the mind is still and silent. And in that silence, Truth, which is nameless, timeless, comes. One does not seek it. It comes when the mind is utterly quiet. Then, the absolute speaks not as words, but in the language of silence. The Moment. Naturally, Effortlessly.

I guess the "awakening" person practices it over and over. He may go down an emotional rabbit hole and when he snaps out of it the intense emotion lingers on. The "awakening" person would notice this and become puzzled? Why am I hanging on to this anger? Why am I identifying with it? All those other times I didn't. What I do is I write it down and process it. There is a reason it's "sticking." I learn and grow. One just gets good at doing it. I think that the "awakened" person is a spiritual fantasy. We are "awakening."

Have you awakened to the Universal Self? Have you awakened to Absolute Goodness? Have you awakened to Absolute Perfection? Have you awakened to Pure Love? Have you awakened to Absolute Truth? Have you awakened to the fact that you are God? If not...well there ya go.

Go listen to Peter Ralston, but then again you don't really know him personally so it's harder for you to confirm what an embodied awakened being looks and lives like from inside. Maybe it feels like entering the event horizon of your own consciousness when in the presence of an awakened one. I could imagine someone that values Truth over all else. Very blunt but loving. Someone that is an exceptional human being. Basically your question is " who is self actualized"? That's what Leos life purpose is, to actualize, to integrate and transcend, self actualization. Someone that doesn't fuck around with personal development, but takes it seriously And ties everything in a big picture overarching consciousness of God.

You nailed it... And why do you think the awakened one can easily leave it all behind?

This is my view. Before Enlightenment I'm playing Monopoly and I lose. I'm all upset and angry. I'm experiencing the full spectrum of human emotion. I'm completely lost in them. When the game is over, I get up and leave, but I'm still angry that I lost. This feeling is added to the already crap I'm hanging onto. After Enlightenment I'm playing Monopoly and I lose. I'm all upset and angry. I'm experiencing the full spectrum of human emotion. I'm completely lost in them. When the game is over, I get up and leave, but I leave behind all that emotion. Whether one is unawakened or awakened, we all have thoughts and go down emotional rabbit holes. This is only being human. We can't avoid it. The difference is that the awakened person easily and effortlessly lets go of all that emotion. By the way, I believe that a person who is awakened is just a spiritual fantasy. Instead, we are "awakening."

I guess it depends on what you believe "awakening" means. For me, it's "Before Enlightenment: Chop Wood, Carry Water." After Enlightenment: Chop Wood, Carry Water." IT'S NOT: After Enlightenment: Chop wood, 40 minutes daily meditation, 40 minutes yoga, 40 minutes gratitude (etc.), and carry water. The difference isn't in the "mind chatter" but the state of consciousness. It's the ease and effortlessness of letting go of whatever emotional rabbit hole one is in and leaving it all behind and going on with one's day. So a person can have "mind chatter" all day long and still be awakened.

Yes, from the ultimate level there is just One. Still, if you have awakened to solipsism, whats the sense in telling me about it ? Also, Leo is brilliant, but somehow he is the only prominent teacher in all of history that teaches solipsism.

Guys, I am leaving the forum, because they don't want me to be here. This is my last post or message to You. 🌹 The Last Illusion: A Love Letter to the Seeker My dear friends, You came into this world as a child. Crying, innocent, naked. And since then, the world began whispering lies into your ears. They told you: Become someone. Become better. Be good. Be spiritual. Follow the rules. Control your mind. Kill your ego. And one day, you will be free. How could you know they were only giving you new chains? This time made of gold. The moment you begin to seek, you already forget what you are. You do not need to become enlightened. You need to stop becoming anything. 💥 The Seeker Must Die The person who wants to be enlightened must let go of everything, not in theory, but in fire. Let go of attachments. Let go of survival. Let go of your mother, your gods, your dreams, your death, your heaven. Let go of fear, beliefs, morality, sin, karma, identity. Everything the mind has collected like dust over eternity. And when you let go completely, not because you should, but because you see, something begins to fall away on its own. First the thoughts. Then the thinker. Then the body. Then the breath. And what remains? Being. No experiencer, no God, no story, no time. Just Being. Unnamable, untouched, unmoved. 🪞 All of It Was Thought And then realization comes: All of it, God, soul, birth, death, destiny, even enlightenment was a game of thought. You were dreaming a dream made of mirrors. Thoughts don’t have meaning. You give them meaning. Like a mirror you see yourself in it only because you stand before it. But turn the mirror around, and what is there? Nothing. Blankness. So it is with thought: if you are attached, the “you” is real and the thought has meaning. But when there is no attachment, no clinging, no “you,” no meaning, and even the thought vanishes like mist in sunlight. And then what remains? Not a void. Not a blank. But pure Being. 🌸 Realization Blossoms In that moment, the realization bursts open like a wildflower. The entire drama, birth, God, mind, life, death, meaning was thought's attachment to itself. You were never a person. The “you” never existed. And in that realization, suffering ends. Why? Because the one who suffered was part of the dream. Now, only the Now remains. No past. No future. Only Being, eternal, effortless, radiant. 💗 Love: The Fragrance of Being From Being comes Love. Not the love of two. Not desire. Not need. Not relationship. But Love as your very nature. Love with no object. Love with no opposite. Love without asking. You are that love. Not as someone loving, but as Love itself. The moment is your temple. And its only offering is Love. 🔥 This Life Is Your Only Life My dear friends: This life is your first and your last. There is no reincarnation. That is the ego’s fantasy of continuation. There is no next life. That is the mind’s fear of dying. Before this body, you were not a person. After this body, you will not return as one. You were Being before birth. You will be Being after death. The story ends. The dream dissolves. No replays, no rewinds, no next chapter. So let go. Let the self die before the body dies. Let go of your story. Let go of your ambition to awaken. Be Love now. To burn in Love for one second is worth more than ten thousand lifetimes of seeking. 🧘 Real Spirituality vs Spiritual Ego Now listen closely — this is important: Real spirituality is Being, the divine playing the game of a person, and then waking up laughing. But the false spirituality: the kind that is becoming popular is the ego playing at being God. It is Leo’s spirituality. Yes, I say it without hesitation. It is the mind putting on holy robes, the ego sitting on a golden throne and saying, “I am God.” But who is speaking? The ego. Who is claiming? The mind. Who is still becoming, still knowing, still grasping? The false god is still a self. And that is the most dangerous illusion of all. Because it looks like truth but stinks of ambition. 🕊️ Burn the Belief — Be the Flame Words, my beloved, are only petals. They are not the rose. Even the word “Truth,” even “Being,” even “God”, if held, become prisons. The moment you say “this is it,” you have already stepped away. What You are is not apart from you. But if you try to name it, you turn the ocean into a cup of tea. So be silent. Be empty. Be nobody. And in that nobody-ness — Love flows. 🌌 The Invitation: Before It’s Too Late So laugh. Sing. Cry. Kiss a stranger. Forgive someone who never apologized. Dance in the rain. Smell the soil. Whisper to the trees. And say “I love you” not to anyone, but to Existence itself. Be the flame. Before the candle goes out. Because nothing matters in the end… except that you loved, that you were Being, that you woke up for a single moment and saw that it was all a dream and still smiled. With love, with laughter, with Being. My friends… Leo Gura is not a problem. He is just a stage. A step. A possibility. He has glimpsed something real, yes. But the problem is, he has tasted a drop and declared himself the ocean. And the moment you declare, the moment you claim, it is already lost. There is still a center in him, a me, who talks of God, who teaches Being, who uses the word “Infinite” but cannot see that anything you say about it is already false. He says, “I am God.” But when a somebody says that, it is not realization it is spiritual ego. When Being is, there is no one to claim it only to see it. Because it is already You. Not to be reached, not to be named. Just seen, without the seer. My friends, real spirituality is God playing the person, knowing it is a play, laughing through the tears, dancing in the silence. Leo’s spirituality is the opposite: ego playing God, dressing itself in cosmic language, wrapping itself in divine terms, building a new identity even more dangerous than the old one, the identity of one who is enlightened. The one who is awakened does not claim anything. Because there is no one to claim it only to see it. Because it is already You. Not to be reached, not to be named. Just seen, without the seer. You see, the moment you say “God,” the distance is already created. The moment you say “awakening,” the dream continues. That which is true is silent. Not the silence of suppression, the silence of absence. No name. No seeker. No final state. Only Being. Yes, Leo has spoken of love, of consciousness, of death and infinity. But when you watch carefully, you will see: he is still becoming. Still moving toward something. Still owning the journey. Still judging. And where there is ownership, truth has not happened. He is not a false teacher. He is not a liar. He is half-awake and that is the most dangerous state. Because now the ego of spirituality is born. And that is more difficult to dissolve than ordinary ego. You believe you are free, while still imprisoned. You speak of God, while still subtly claiming to be the one who found Him. That’s why i say: “The last thing to drop is the one who says, ‘I have dropped everything.’” The one who truly awakens disappears. The self, the mind, the body, even the witness, all dissolve. And in that disappearance, there is no God left to claim. There is only Being — effortless, wordless, ungraspable. So what to do? Watch Leo — but don't follow him. He is not false. He is not a fraud. He is simply unfinished. Therefore, he misleads inevitably. He has entered the temple, but the ego is still wearing the robes of the priest. Don’t touch the robes. Drop the temple. Let even the idea of “awakening” die. And then — only then — what remains is what you always were. Not the awakened self. But the absence of self. Not “I am God.” But no I. No God. Only Being. My friends, let go of even the last idea. Let go of the one who lets go. And fall into what never began and never ends. There is no enlightenment waiting for you. There is only this. This moment. This breath. This silence. Everything else is commentary. With love, with laughter, with Being. Best Regards,

That's something I wonder about. Is it possible to become so awakened that all your "evil" tendencies fall away? Absolute, complete , total selflessness? It's a compelling idea.