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Don't rob yourself of a potential life where things can get better. You have no idea how things could be, they can be better than you are able to imagine right now. Bad times are temporary, it doesn't mean you will have a bad life. If you are thinking of harming yourself in the immediate future or have plans please contact a suicide hotline for wherever you're from; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicide_crisis_lines If you need to talk or vent PM me, I think I could understand I've been where you're at.

Attention! All of the bellow mentioned is just a theoretical discussion and not a plan of action! I've been doing psychedelics for the last 4 years and had plenty of profound awakenings. Recently I begun to question the validity of all my trips and awakenings. What if an awakening is just hallucinations? When I’m tripping, I know absolutely that I’m God and playing my infinite game, but when I’m back to the dream I just can’t accept it. Is there a doubt free way to get the true answer and not only during a trip? I’ve been thinking about it and the only way I can think of is suicide. For example If I shoot myself in the head I would be 100% sure whether I’m God or all of this is just pure horseshit. What do you think?

@Lana Faye Hi! I used to take citalopram for a long time for depression, and olanzapine for a few weeks after an intense trip: suicidal delusions etc. I know how the olanzapine feels like. It was helful for me at the time, when the delusions and anxiety were at their worst, but the side-effects are pretty harsh. Are you still taking it? I recommend quitting the meds according the doctors advice and just a bit by bit... The withdrawal effects can be pretty brutal, especially with olanzapine. Overall, your experience sounds pretty familiar. For me it was mostly about suicide and self-harm... Intrusive thoughts and delusions, anxiety that I might just "lose control", "go insane" and kill myself. Stuff like that. It takes some time to sort these things out. There will be clarity and probably quite awesome insights coming as to what's went down and why these thoughts appeared. For me it was probably the most brutal and painful experiences I've ever had, but what I learned from it and insights I had has been so precious. In fact I'm starting to appreciate the whole experience. Really recommend psychotherapy, though only when you're ready and feeling stable enough with it. And from the spiritual side, A Course In Miracles was and still is pretty damn helpful for me. Though make sure you're ready and stable enough for that stuff too. Wishing all the best for you and your family! ?

Dude! That's because some leftist feminist did such a vicious expose of him that he lost his whole business, spiraled into depression, and killed himself. That's literally suicide by cancel culture. Not saying he was innocent but that expose was brutal. People don't appreciate how painful cancelation can be.

@Cathal hi! I quite liked the soup analogy. I’d also describe it as having local teeth anaesthesia - you don’t feel the pain while a dentist is fixing your teeth but later when you want to eat something your mouth feels weird, like it doesn’t belong to you, so food doesn’t bring any pleasure. I guess antidepressants act like emotional anaesthetic. At least for me. They do not fix the problem, they just numb the pain. The calmness is obviously artificial and the side effects are very distressing. Especially, cognitive damage, emotional blunting and inability to experience orgasm. It looks like I am a very sensitive person and the dosage the doctors prescribed was too much. They wanted to increase it and keep me at the clinic longer but I refused. I gradually decreased the dose and now off antidepressants for three days. Been vomiting, having diarrhoea but on the positive note I at least feel that my heart chakra is on again. Before it felt blocked. My ocd still stayed with me. Antidepressants just gave some time to learn not to identify with my thoughts. Sometimes my fears of going crazy and killing my son are still intense. Especially in the morning and when I am alone. You are right, I am afraid to lose control but the thoughts are very intrusive so I just give up battling them, cry and then go on with my mom responsibilities. I’d say I have Pure O revolving around the themes of responsibility, violence and existential matters. All connected to ego, craziness and death. I thought the root cause was my childhood trauma. My mom suffered from schizophrenia and committed suicide in front of me. Since then I have been scared of going crazy and was continuously told since teenager-hood that if my mom had it I am likely to develop it too. Other things related to death were that before I did abortion and later had miscarriage. Also the pregnancy with my son was filled with much stress and hospitalisations. When I was giving a birth his heart rate was dropping and I was losing consciousness while having much responsibility to still be awake and push because his life was dependent on me. Understanding all of this still do not help me with ocd although I thought it would. Acceptance of the intrusive thoughts without any judgement and further investigation like why on Earth I have this suffering and why Karma fucks me in the brain bring more results. Do you also suffer from OCD?

If you begin manipulating ordinary reality in your trips, that ought to convince you. Also, I advise against suicide, that would be a frivolous waste of your human life.

I see. That all makes more sense to me. Pickup coach Tom Torero committed suicide last year.

Because as with anything, you gotta do it with the right intentions. I think most people get better over time, not worse. But you have to keep in mind how bad they were when they started off. Of course there will be exceptions of people who only use it to get laid and don't improve character. It's not really that pickup grew my character, I had good character to begin with. But pickup rounded me out as a man and allowed for development opportunities. I don't know of any who have committed suicide.

If doing constant cold approach and dating leads to major growth of character then why there have been pickup/dating coaches who have become toxic or are still psychological messed up? Why have some committed suicide?

So Dr Robert Moore probably did not kill his wife and commit suicide but it's his wife who did so.

After a seriously bad bout of depression and suicidal thoughts yesterday, I turned that negativity to start a new YT channel and video which I think may help anyone where going through something similar.

Except it doesn't - you can see depression skyrocketing and a lot of kids are suicidal as well. Traditional stuff doesn't seem to be enough to address complex mental health problems we have right now. We know that transitioning works for people with gender dysphoria, so why be so against it, when it is well documented that it works and no other method let alone traditional method work, and no data suggest that any other method would be anywhere near close as effective and succesful. There is no going back no matter how much you want to outlaw it or how much you want to make it impractical. Again, what you do is making a bigger black market for it , and people will have to move to other countries to have access to this medical treatment. You won't solve this problem ,you will just make a bigger problem + you will make it harder for people to try to treat this problem. Also its not like suddenly people will never ever mention these things ever again, more and more people will going to talk about these things, your idea won't and wouldn't stop any of it. I still don't understand how you see this "argument" or thought process sound. You want to make it so that children don't have any access to this, and then you don't provide any alternative, even though these children would be left with high depression and suicide rates. You don't solve any root issue with this, and at the same time you would take away the only well known solution/treatment regarding on this topic. Nowhere near as harmful compared to not providing any other alternative treatment to this problem.

No, I don't. How far would you give with that logic? Should we destroy all modern medical technology? The argument of "sometimes having too much option is bad" is only good or a sounding argument, if the alternative of "not having any or having less option" is a better alternative, but how could you argue that the lack of option in this case creates a better outcome , when all the relevant factors (suicide rate, depression) - still stays high among these people?

I don't have experience with BPD in my personal life. My best friend is a therapist who works mainly with BPD type patients though. I will take the liberty of sharing why I think he said that. I think he's just referring to the tendency to overreact to abandonment triggers and do something drastic like suicide, or reckless like drive drunk and crash. Overall this clinical type view of BPD and similar disorders makes me sad. It's like they are taking as much distance as they can from it. Viewing them as aliens almost. To be inspected in a lab coat. I kind of get why. If you don't dehumanize them, you might find out you have more in common with them than you would like. "selfishness, ..." What the fuck dude. These people are in massive pain and you're going to diagnose them with selfishness? From my understanding, hearing and reading about these things, there's a direct correlation between BPD and growing up with an emotionally immature, abusive parent. Usually the mother is an unsafe character that they can not form a healthy attachment with. They had to be afraid of the mother's mood swings. Nowhere to turn for safety and nurture. And then still psychiatrists want to put them in a box and say "something's inherently wrong with you", and give them very superficial therapy like DBT. It's a travesty.

We know from scientific data, that transitioning has a huge positive impact on their depression and suicide rates. More reserach needs to be done, but an intelligent person should go with what the data is suggesting right now, based on our current knowledge on the subject (especially when literally your life depends on it). When you evauluate something it can't just be one side, if you criticize these methods you always have to take a look at the alternative where there is no transitioning and the suicide and depression rates are still knowingly really high. Even if thats the case, there still haven't been shown any method that would have remotely close the success rates to tranisitioning, when it comes to lowering depression and suicide rate among these people.

The effect of dopamine. And how modern life impacts the psyche. Although I don't agree with her that the richest countries have highest suicide. That's a convenient lie.

@Rafael Thundercat Nice I will dive deep into this it seems like an intresting story ? (it is a bit late now where I'm). @Thought Art Yes ofcourse everyone needs to have those stories. My red pill turning point let's say happpened in Brazil 3 years ago with a girl I met that healed me. (I was not extreme with the red pill stuff just did not connect fully with a women at that level before). Now I'm leading a comunity of engineers so we can work together to overcome problems in the industry it is not so big with no online presence at the moment. I have a trans story, which opened my mind to some problems related with this topic. Politics I'm fighting with people all the time from their perspective, I think both have major issues. Basiclly, if I met a conservative I bring issues from the left and vice versa. I'm trying to move a friend from alcholism and tendencies of suicide, not going so well but it is a trial and error. But enough about me, this is the point of my topic, try to heal people and gain experience in doing so, offer practical advice. Ok you belive in red pill stuff have you tried to trully understand women? Did you actually feel loved by one? Try to see things from a solution based perspective with arguments they cannot ignor, deep down all of opinions come from ourselves.

@Carl-Richard It also swings the other way too, when that happens, people who hate Leo for his ideas would use that against him and disregard why the suicide actually happened, thinking Leo's the only full cause when there are other factors involved. Leo also has given warnings and disclaimers, but that doesn't stop someone editing it out and make Leo appear reckless.

We already have it for people too, though technically it's assisted suicide. It's illegal to euthanize another person (mercy killing). It's gotta be done by your own hand basically. https://www.exit.ch/en/englisch/faq/

There is no high rate of suicide on the forum. The rate is as it is across society at large. And no, I will not be bending over backwards to save mentally ill people. That's not my work. I teach advanced philosophy. I am not interested in suicide. If you need help with that, find a therapist. I am not your therapist. My only advice to you on this matter is: don't harm your physical body. If you don't want to follow my advice, then do it your way, but then I am not responsible for your results.

@Leo Gura I think you should start collaborating with mental health professionals to deal with the alarmingly high rates of suicide on this forum.

It's funny, nobody ever listens to the part where I say: "Don't ever hurt your physical body, and your life is a miracle and a gift." I released a video specifically saying this called: The Dangers Of Spirutual Work I didn't release that after, I released that before any suicide. When Conor emailed me saying he was gonna kill himself, I spent an hour on the phone talking him down. I didn't do that after, I did that before any suicide. People are free to kill themselves any time. That's none of my business. I teach God, which has nothing to do with suicide, and there is no confusion about that in my work. No sane person listening to my work would get the idea that I am telling you to harm yourself. Why would I teach about health if my plan was for you to kill yourself? These "death cult" accusations are so disingenuous and bad faith it's preposterous.

Why is EVERY generic Youtube cynic/skeptic bro some early 20's dipshit who hasn't accomplished anything in life, but somehow give off the impression they know everything ? They all have the same sarcastic, passive aggressive cadence in their voice too. As well as having this disarming charm that they could be your friend, but God forbid you ever hear what they say behind your back. The worst kind of rat. I swear this criticizing random people and bitching about culture shtick is the easiest grift you can do online. All you need is a decent mic and clever gamer tag and you could get 200K subs in less than a year. All your content is already made for you by millions of people out in the world trying to create something of this life (whether it's "good" or not). Also I didn't want to say it at the time, but I think enough time has passed. From what I read there wasn't any publicly available proof that that certain person committed suicide, unless they disclosed some evidence privately that I wasn't aware of. It all coincidently happened around the time Connor Murphy was having his psychedelic induced mental breakdown and hardcore trolling this forum and harassing Leo with videos. Connor literally said, "I am going to fake my own death". Then a short time later the suicide drama happened on this forum. I'm not one for conspiracy but that is just my theory. I'm completely open to that not being the case though.

I think suicide should be legalized in general. Check out this suicide pod in Switzerland:

Would be good to know. Considering the base suicide rate in the world is about 1/10 000, probably 1-10 every video (assuming unique viewers).