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Hello abrakamowse, was that meditation technique the one where he gets you to focus on the sensation of the inside of your mouth and push yourself out of your head to the sensations and stuff like that? It is pretty cool you can be aware of things you never noticed before. It seems most people that meditate a lot do not get enlightened but maybe it helps increase the chances a bit compared to doing whatever everyone else is doing. Even if it doesn't get me any closer to enlightenment, It helps me be more aware of my thoughts and emotions so I can analyze my behavior and make better decisions. I can also feel my senses and emotions much more clearly which really improves the quality of my day to day life. It is really enjoyable to sit in bliss for a couple hours a day and leaves you feeling better after in a way that dopamine hits don't.

Probably you got that from my comments, because I get aggitated when someone tries to muddy the waters with lies, and I can never be sure if they're being truthful or not. So if I see clearly that someone is talking out of their ass, like the second guy in the thread, I get triggered, because it feels like someone trying to lead people down a wrong path, for their own pleasure,by cheating and lying, instead of being honest. If I was ok with lying my ass off I can think of any story, and if it is backed up by others, or close to what other authentic beings are saying, i will appear to be There, even when I'm not, by circlejerking. If a group of individuals decide to do that, then it becomes even harder to catch, because of groupthink, and might even start parroting these things myself as to not appear as unenlightened. "I hope you get there one day" is the most condescending thing one can say, and I cant see how that can ever come from a place of love. Its like he is in bliss and pities me and my state of consciousness.

A gentleman said: Ma, the mind is very restless. Ma said: "Just as restlessness is its nature, so also is stability. The mind wants its mother - that is Complete Bliss. Therefore, do you not observe that though the worldly person offers its innumerable enjoyments, it is not satiated and runs hungry and thirsty. Restlessness will never cease, it is restless for God. Until it gets God, it cannot find peace. As soon as the mind finds Him, it becomes calm." The gentleman remarked, "I have never heard such a viewpoint before, today I have learnt a great lesson." Ma joined her palms and said: "You have given the lesson." The gentleman did pranam to Ma and took leave.

Oh yes I forgot, you're a fully self-realized ascended master who is totally unphased by earthly matters and is riding the eternal wave of divine bliss 24/7. My bad! Talking nonstop about the infinite perfection of existence and then getting all worked up by some schmuck who is poking fun at him... man, you crack me up.

Question for experienced practitioners: How does kriya feel for you and what are the tangible benefits? Do you bathe in bliss or does it still your mind or what? I'm particularly interested in the power of pranayama for ya'll. I think a lot of people think they are progressing when they start experiencing some interesting energetic phenomena, but it isn't actually real spiritual attainment.

Yes it certainly is blissful and liberating. There's definitely that. But I will never forget when I had that awakening , which I call Oneness - which for me was the final in a series of realizations spanning a 3 month period It was the most incredible experience of my life. However, at the same time I remember an awful feeling as well, that came over me. It was a feeling of complete aloneness in the universe. I had to pull my car over and sit at a gas station in absolute shock over what I had just realized - but in that mystical state of Consciousness it was laid bare for me - so there was no denying it. It was like the entire universe just opened up for me and my eyes were now wide open to the Truth. There was no going back for me. I also vividly recall looking at some of my coworkers at the time and realizing they were my own mind. Having conference calls with some people still in an enlightened state and knowing they were taking place within my own mind as God. It was beautiful but at the same time mind blowing and frightening to some degree. I was forced to leave work but I wasn't able to make it all the way home without pulling over in awe but also in shock that I was alone as God. There is nothing more wonderful, but like I said there was also a feeling of deep aloneness that really cannot be described until experienced. But that aloneness was also accompanied by the miraculous sense that the entire world was all mine as God and that I was the entire thing- creating all of it. So, for me it was a very complex, deep awakening that was a mixture of both terror, amazement, and bliss all wrapped nicely into one. Tears of joy flowed knowing I was God. But the shock and awe of being alone could also not be denied.

Sorry to hear about your struggles of physical pain and I hope it gets better for you that you don't have to feel it much longer. However, Spirituality doesn't say you should accept pain and abide in pain. Spirituality doesn't say anything because it doesn't speak. If you heard that from someone, that someone or those people said it, not Spirituality. Living in pure bliss without pain is not unconditional love. You blame God but God is unconditional love. You don't blame God when things are going right, why blame God when things are going wrong. We praise God when things are going right and curse God when things are apparently going wrong. Didn't someone in Spirituality not also tell you that God is also unconditional love? That means everything, even pain. The only reason I'm saying this is not to undermine your pain but to show you how your questions about God here are futile. Doesn't mean anything. You need to figure out how to stop the pain and do all you can about that and cursing God surely won't help. There is a God but it's not what you think it is. God is your pain and God is everything. God is not an entity outside somewhere doing anything, God(and that's just a name for it) is everything including your pain.

I recently got 4 more protrusions and 2 more disc hernia on my spine. Until now I had one disc hernia. Now I have 4 protrusions and 3 disc hernia. I have horrible pain on every part of my body. I cannot stand it. But spirituality says to accept pain, to abide in pain. How? How can there be comfort in pain? Why is my life so awful? I would still meditate even if I had a nice life. What is the point of giving me a horrible life? Would not it be good if we lived in pure bliss without pain? If there is a god why does it doing this?

After death not sure, but in Heaven there is no duality, no body, no thoughts, only abstract love, so no human sex. Yet, I’ve had many sexual-type experiences in Heaven. Like 10000x better ones, because they are not limited by human mind and body. I,ve had thousands of beautiful female legs in stocking surrounding me and giant perfect lips kissing me while also within a hyperbolic mandala of extremely beautiful light. and the bliss was mindblowing and deep. Also extremely gentle and caring. Anyway, so no sex in Heaven, but yes sex in heaven. 😁😁

I don't want God, I don't know what that is, other than what ppl have said and the books written about God, which in the end are all but stories to me.. I want Bliss as my foundational Emotional state, I know that all Experience happens within Me, no where else, I know that if I stop all Stress Response, no matter what is happening (via the Accept all that is, Live Now and Respond rather than React methodology) that Peace can be my starting point in this venture, soon after Peace will become more intense and turn into Happiness, Joy then Bliss.. I know that my Body and MInd are just accumulations of sorts, Body via Food that I have eaten, Mind via the data input from my 5 senses, conditioning via my culture/society that I was brought up in and teachings, learning experiences(clinging to memory) and such, and if I can calm all of this down and stop identifying with Body/Mind, I can experience something else, what was there before all of this and have a more high quality experience of Life other than just working, eating, sleeping, sex, drugs, accumulating more experience and whatever else to only find it leave you empty looking outside to stimulate inside experiences and then dying...

Whant can I say, good luck then becoming god or whatever you want to achieve! My passion is to understand the mechanisms through which we bullshit ourselves even if this will cost me friends, sex, relationships or even happiness. If I would only want to be happy, I would join a stage green permaculture community and live there in fake bliss. I hope you guys will ultimately understand that you cannot jump over stage yellow, you adore your gurus, but your gurus are masters of logical thinking also. The real ones.

Religion is mostly about Belief nowadays generally speaking, some may have true experiences but it may be illusionary or such, who knows, all I can see of another is how they act and judge based on that, but I try to stay away from judging ppl as much as possible, its egoic in nature and creates division in my experience of life.. Spirituality is the science of directly experiencing the non physical aspect of what we are, my thoughts are non physical, my feelings and memories and such are non physical but they can manifest in physical ways. In Yoga we do not talk about God, and Infinity and such grandiose things, as they can all be imagined and Maya like, so we start from where we are at, I want a constant state of Peace as my foundation, then Bliss then Oneness/Completeness experience, its possible and can be achieved thru using of methods, again like martial arts training ( I use to teach marital arts),l one learns the training method, it physically produces a change in ones bodily response and ability to deliver attacks and defend, its the same with Yoga, you do the practices, learn the philosophy of its teachings, apply it for real in daily life (Live Now, Accept Now, Respond to Now absolutely), then go from there, maybe Enlightenment is more a possibility now for you, or its just a Happier, Healthier, more Intense and connected living Experience.. Some ppl in Spirituality have made it into a Religion for themselves, its more belief than anything, they have not used the methods or opened themselves up in a way that they are receptive to what is available to them via a non intellectual or belief sort of way, they think too much, put on shows of devotion and kindness too much but within themselves they are just a miserable as anyone else living a normal life..

Belief - Picked up information from sources other than Yourself (books, video's, news, papers, other ppl relating stories) related to some sort of ideology, religion, political group/system or situation happening somewhere.. Knowledge - something I know via having used/been there, in either in a physical way (think marital arts training, it first is a concept, then you train then use it), or mental way (I don't know math, I learn math, then I use math), or something I have learning via experience, like driving in Toronto, I know it is shit driving experience because I drive it everyday for years, I know what is it via my experience of it.. Direct Experience - usually associated with Spiritual Knowing and such, its a direct experience of Bliss, or Oneness/Completeness, indescribable, it can be described but the person/s listening will not relate to it unless they themselves have had a direct experience, think of a woman describing to a man what it is like to give birth, the man can relate to what she says, the pain of the labor, the pushing and such but he will never know the direct experience of having a baby and going thru the process of it, which is a different level of intensity of Experience..

All that is irrelevant to what I'm pointing to because there's nothing that's happening that shouldn't happen. You're still thinking there's a person inside this body that can feel bliss if they do so and so - no such thing because that will just be another passing phenomenon, of which we have no control over. My current life could be in a death trap right now and it wouldn't make a difference, to me it would, but that would be what is happening. Depression, anxiety, sadness, grief could also be there, but that still is what is happening. You're saying you cannot help making up stories but you're still rebutting my comment and bringing up more stories as to why I'm not in bliss and asking who am I talking to and blah blah. I make up stories too and I'm also deluded but the difference is, I won't go around disputing that and asking people why they're not in a blissful state or whose talking to whom or what's this forum. I used to, but not anymore. I'm not starting from the top down because there is no top down, only what is. Even if you think I'm playing mind games, doesn't matter because that's also what is. You cannot escape what is.

Yes ultimately Yes, but can You do it right now? If You can't we have to start from where we are, "I cannot stop making up stories, I believe there is an "I", I believe I am a Self".. Your starting from the Top Down method and Realization, its all Maya, nothing exist, I just Am, bla bla bla, but what is Your present experience of Life right now? If You were in realization of the Top Down way, You would for sure be in Bliss, are You right now or at anytime You want? If not then You have to start with where You are right now, otherwise Your just playing mind games! Say it all You want that this or that doesn't exist, no self, no mind, bla bla but how do You feel within Yourself right now, and if nothing exist, there is no I then who is responding, who is reading the posts, what is this forum?

Sadhguru basically explains it here, there is "Cosmic Will" the forces that allow physicality to exist, then there is Your Will, but he says to not live via the Will way, live via the Loving, Bliss way, to things because Your in Love with it, not because of Will necessarily, being Willing is helpful too though:)

Free Will is NOT about controlling all situations in Your life, that is not possible, it would mean there is a God of the bible of sorts and that he is in control, everything is his will and we are just robots.. Free Will in basic terms is how You experience Life, what is the quality of that Experience, and via that you have more access to what it means to be Human Being, you can live via the Human side which is more about Survival and accumulating ppl, places and things, or the Being side which is Spirituality in its essence, Beingness is Being here Now, where Life is totally, abiding in Bliss and Aliveness, Intense experience of the Reality that we are in, access to all possibility and potentials on the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual levels that we have access to, you can live like a vicious animal or be a godly Saint that is the choice You have, that is Free Will, its not about physical actions and manipulations and control, that wouldn't work in a society and set up like it is here on this Earth! If You have all the control, what about Me?

So when these questions of Why, why am I here, why is there life, Am I deluded, What is this all about, it comes from a place of misery, or total unAwareness, no intensity of what Life is via experience, and the intellect which is always past/memory or future/imagination orientated takes over your Awareness and Experience, then misery or suffering is the basic nature of experience, because Life is only Now, and when that is missed misery is the only thing that can happen when all the distractions and drugs start to fail... Intense Bliss, via drugs or done naturally, will show You the intensity or miracle of Life, it happens Now, and that Now is basically Eternal, what we are doing now that we shouldn't be is focusing too much on what happened yesterday or what may happen tomorrow, completely Missing the Now! The Real question is, is this condition that most of Us are in, was it manufactured or is it just our basic nature, I think it was manufactured, the powers in this society/culture want us to not be Enlightened, not be present moment aware, but to be past/future aware and miserable, so they can profit and control the masses!

I will reach 28 years and I feel like I am yet to mold my life into something. I do not worry about being old, I just need to figure out how to live cheaply and most healthy. Then I feel that I have some juice to create what I want. Yet I can't wait when I will die. There will be no more of this. No point to take another birth (for me at least). Only thing is left to enjoy whatever nonsense here is. What will you do when there is no body and no identity to have, of course that feels way different than having a life experience, if you ever have sat relaxing from your identities you will find out that you are bliss itself.

Yeap. Like there is boringness that comes from psychological aspect, which is a form of slight depression or apathy. And then there´s the Bliss Boringness. Which is sweeter than a mango. This is the boringness that is not so boring you could say. The key is Going after Gods boringness. Not ego boringness I don´t see how it could. Simply if you have a problem God is not awake. God is entangling itself with thoughts. Which does not mean that you can think stuff to solve and so on. But if it becomes a problem and it stressing you out, you clearly are not in God Consciousness anymore. I think is obvious. Would God consciously hold a thought that make him anxious? Only if God again is deep into the illusion of 'I'.

Yes, is creepy. This experience is happening in Gods Mind. Surrender your self, Only then you can touch Gods Eternal Bliss

You want to be Meditative, or at Ease all the time, as a baseline State, now if this is not happening naturally, and cannot be initiated spontaneously at Will, then something has to be done (the stress response has taken over your base state, too much thinking probably too), action or "doing" has to happen, the methods just clean the slate so that naturally You are at Ease and peace, Bliss, Health arise like the sun does every morning! Try Isha Kriya its 12 min and pretty effective, its simple and easy, if You want more try the Inner Engineering program by Isha/Sadhguru, it works wonders!

Damn now i'm getting scared, and don't know if i should procceed. I know what consciousness is capable off, and i know that there is a possebility you can get stuck in another dream/dimension of reality if you're not careful. There is a reason there is saying " path to god realization is like walking on razor" . I just don't know what to do with my life anymore. I just work/sleep/drink and have little money to enjoy the life fully. I'm also scared that if i'm gonna do kriya yoga it will change the aspects of reality forever, and i don't know if i'm gonna be happy about it. I have seen at high levels of consciousness why GOD uses ego's. And the reason is against the eternal/loneliness and his own questioning about himself, like the question what am i? What i'm doing here, how did i came to existence. That's what i saw at the highest levels. I also know that life right now, is a projection of my ego mind. SO basically life right now is just my ego's mind/dream. What's the point being an eternal/infinite avatar that just creates everything with his own mind, eventually you will get bored of that. I think @Leo Gura , is giving great pointers. Do we really want to awaken, and then eventually restart the cycle again to birth/death? Because considiring everything that i know, the cycle of birth/death might be the only option/best option. "ignorance is bliss" From what i have seen if you die unawakened for example jumping down from a building, you will let universe decide. And i saw that i killed myself from jumping down and i got reborn as a beby boy with an empty/clean mind. I don't think any avatar or god has such a clean mind as being reborn again and not knowing what you are. I also saw at the highest level that i've reached, that this was the best option. God always goes for the lowest suffering possible considiring at all the things he has to look at, and this will is deeply rooted inside of you. I saw that it was better to reborn as a cave deweller than an ascended master that plays around with his mind/himself. @Razard86

Basically what Your trying to do is discredit him, for some reason you have something against him within, probably unconscious to You, it really doesn't matter, what I or You or anyone thinks, Self Love or whatever, he'll do what he wants, some will like it others not so much, then leave, in the end if he has left this place better than when he arrived then the job is done, I would say he has done that is spades! This Self Love talk and how it shows something about him, you really have to take a look at it, Self Love in my definition is Egoic, Love is about Two, are there two of you within? If there are then that is a problem...He's for sure very Loving, this is from his experience within and the Bliss he feels, its reflective in his actions... Yes yes I'm obsesssed with him and this or that in my mind, there is a reason for this, he makes tremendous sense and his methods work, that's it..,

Lately I've been more curious about the question of 'What is Meditation' and 'How to practice it'. But the 'How' implies a method. So over the years I've kind of tried out and explored different things. Zazen, breath awareness, chanting Hindu/Buddhist/Sikh Mantras, Concentracion, Mindfulness, Yoga of different kinds, Contemplative Prayer, 'I am awareness', Self Inquiry| Enlightenment Intensives, Neti Neti, Tantra, Vipassana, other Buddhist Methods and so on and so on. During this journey, I lost touch with the understanding that meditation is a happening, a blossoming, whole within itself. It doesn't have a reason or a purpose. I forgot that. So I searched for something ... The 'Most effective / true / resonant' technique or 'practice' to get me to God-Realization / Oneness / Awakening / Enlightenment/ Self Understanding/ Peace / Bliss .... And whatever else "I" desire. So much Selfishness on the journey to Selflessness. Now after a Vipassana Retreat I realized again that you cannot "do" meditation. The Vipassana technique (as taught by Goenka) was related with so much "Doing/Work/ Effort". Completely besides the point of Meditation as I understand it. But now there is still the question: I want to live meditation. Create the atmosphere of body, mind and surrounding that meditation can blossom. With a path or a 'Practice' to go into depth with. The exploring of the wide range of perspectives and techniques is wonderful, and there are infinitely more to explore. And almost all claim that THEIR thing is THE thing. Still I feel a calling to dedicate myself to something , consistently to go more from breaths into depth. How to decide? I find it difficult to commit to only one single "practice" or tradition as many are so wonderul and many resonate. There might be value to deepen understanding and experience in one particular field (like zen, daoism, Shaiva tantrism, etc.) and really go deep with it. But there might also be value in continuing to develop my own understanding and my own 'practice' and walk my own path. Without accepting or commiting to what any authority or framework is saying. Cause that's what true Spirituality is. Deepening your own understanding of reality and developing an intimate connection with Life, Love and God. But then my mind comes in again and says : "But how to do it?" And the search for the end of seeking begins anew. But I also realized during my retreat: To enjoy the process of seeking the end of seeking is to find it.