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The etymology of "exist" means "to stand out". So nothingness does not exist. Only phenomena exist. Ultimate reality is beyond nothingness and thingness, which are dualities. Consciousness is all there is, and creation/destruction is the eternal game it plays. This multitude of beings is created and destroyed again and again in the succeeding days and nights of Brahma. But beyond this formless state there is another, unmanifested reality, which is eternal and is not dissolved when the cosmos is destroyed.

Does Nothingness Exist?

I’ve had glimpses/moments of nothingness. Even though with no concepts or labels, there was still sense perception, they were fleeting but still felt and sensed, just nothing to call it, as a thing as I was rested in stillness – no mind labelling or attaching, just ‘observation without knowing’. Maybe I’ve not gone deep enough yet but the realisations I got in terms of ‘no people, no you’ was that because labels and concepts try to define everything we see or sense as something, but as soon as that happens it denies what actually is. Felt I was getting there again last night after some contemplation. Don’t know how to explain but it feels like nothing at the core and sensations are passing through, but the word ‘sensations’ is just another label to try and describe something that can never really be known, only felt/sensed. When the mind begins to label, get involved, and make meaning about what these sensations could be is when you deny what actually is, right? But all this still doesn’t mean that there isn’t something to be aware of surely? Observation without labels, attachment, etc still experiences but again we can’t call it by that or anything which essentially makes it nothing but its still here, right now, always??

Salvia is another thing. It's outside the spectrum of regular psychedelics. I haven't tried the dmt's but hope they are less brutal. Still in shock a bit, but I want it to write it fresh. I hit it twice. Then lay down. Next thing happening is me exiting this reality. I couldn't even locate the one freaking out because it wasn't me, that flesh and bones, I just felt the breathing of the body drawing in the nothingness but I couldn't ubicate myself or nothing, it's just so radical, you forget you took salvia, you forget everything. After this brutal peak, the ego after the punch of salvia gets wild and I take out a peace of robe I had in my eyes to have complete darkness. Then I watch the room in a weird psychedelic distortion while shouting mantras, like they would kind of save me of the ego death. After this whole drama I go back to it. Some family members popped in visuals and anxiety of my parents just randomly rocking into my room even though they are not home. Then the Salvia spirit just pops in and starts telling me how we are supposed to work like this if I am full of fears and anxieties. Then I tell her how am I supposed to react after that, then it becomes obvious I am just a child and that reaction is of a child, and then kind of shows me that I am a whole bunch of cables all distorted in a big mess and reality and infinite thread that can created in nowness but all lead to duality. Then pulls me to consciousness and I'm in a kind of existencial appreciation of duality while it is disappearing into the nothing in the nothing, how all this conglomerate of cables are just a drama. Then I have my peak state as God, just grasping the consciousness of that moment in shock. The dream of this life, of this reality, what death really is, how consciousness is encapsulated in the "body" and how it leaves it through the spine and exits in the crown towards infinite, like watching your body as a spec of dust knowing it is not you and it never has been. Consciousness itself engrossed in the crown entering the spine and expanding into the five sense, experience and mind as this big conglomerate of threads. When I was more into the body but still feeling my consciousness state, salvia spirit pop backs and my body-mind just starts appreciating deeply duality and the beauty of it. It's very hard to explain transcendentalism and relativity simultaneously as both your doing and just being conscious of it. The trip evolves then to Salvia asking me is this really what you want, to know you are God. Still with shit in my pants and profoundly, existentialy shocked I start shouting yes like a fanatic. Even though, it was as brutal and as radical as anything I have experienced this is the path and I fully embrace it. Then I understood why Leo is more about the peaks of consciousness than raising base line consciousness. If you happen to read this, I am telling you, that peak is beyond any base line, go for the peak, go for it, all it's a joke when you have that peak. While my consciousness was kend of getting tuned in again in my body through the spine my body mind ego was like thanks god, the full personality that was disolved kind of getting created again like o my god I see the profound beauty of reality of doing the regular life, I'm so grateful I can fucking work and be in duality. Then as God I see, oh that's why I have done it. Then my ego seeing that this procces is about itself killing itself to get to God and then me as God like lol I am God let me be a random dude in a generated existance. I just see the joke of it all. Anyway, be careful with Salvia. VERY CAREFUL. We don't listen I know, we just randomly go reading these posts and going on with our life but listen here, Salvia can unzip reality like water is wet. And the moment you leave the pipe while the smoke is still in your lungs you will know. I found Salvia extremely helpful in the path but only if you are dead serious about it. How to know if we are dead serious, you are not, you hit that salvia and feel like a child and get humbled down. Then if you are not profoundlky traumatized depending of the dose you do the radical work of realizing you are God. Now with 30min perspective is amazing, my first ego death and consciousness realization but it's too radical, radical beyond what the limited body faculty of imagination can do to grasp it. It's beautiful but it's too radical, it just depends on you, after getting fucked by Salvia fully if in the come down it asks you is really God-Realization what you want? Hope you shout like a freak yes, otherwise enjoy this beautiful duality, it has a sense to be trust me, it's amazing the way it is, you don't need at all oneness, oneness came to be duality and duality exists to go to oneness. It's a rabit loop hole of relative and transcendental. Sorry for any spelling errors, english is not my main language and I'm still settling down.

Just be careful not to confuse the void with the end of the journey, because it is not. Some spiritual paths might say that it is - like Spira, Budhism and others. The nothingness stage is just a stop between the regular human consciuosness and God-consciousness. It is peaceful, but nothing that significant.

@How to be wise what is nothing then? Being? Oneness? Nothing… lol just isness? Nothing and everything are the same? But still, there must’ve been an original point of absolute nothingness where none of this was or anything was ever perceived, imagined and sensed? The explanation of nothing being limitless therefore infinite potential seeks to make sense, and I guess this right here right now proves it? How else could such a crazy phenomena appear to be? The ‘Big Bang’ is when nothing woke up?? And that just happened because anything is possible there? Fuck knows

@How to be wise how do you define nothing? To me nothing is nothing with absolutely no properties. Nothing going at all, no life, no dream, no imagination. Just because the dream state feels intangible doesn’t mean it’s not perceived?? Nothing would have no perception and nothing perceived surely? Isn’t this what Leo was talking about in his ‘what is love?’ Videos? Where he went on an intensive enlightenment retreat and began to awaken to the nature of love but some Buddhists were denying it and still claiming nothingness when love/consciousness is here all around us in actuality

@Galyna @How to be wise It’s still something tho right? A dream is still an object of awareness? Like Leo says about solipsism, “nothing is real, unless you imagine it.” So how did imagination spring from absolute nothingness? I guess the zero is infinity explanation is why???‍♂️

@Vibroverse it's not something you can figure out by thinking, you need to directly experience the universe vibrate. I experienced the universe vibrate after a cessation. It was within the formless realm still, of course. It's a paradox, but nothingness vibrates within itself. What's vibrating? Nothing! Yet it still occurs. It's litetally a movement of up and down, like in the pictures, but it happens within the nothingness of your mind. Of course, there are still many mysteries surrounding the workings of vibration.

Leo, I remember reading that you were unaware of the fact that consciousness vibrates within itself. Has this changed? It's a distinct awakening into vibration that one can have. I presume that because you deny vibration, you discredit a larger part of science than you should. Knowing that nothingness vibrates opens up new things to contemplate as well.

How does God or Nothingness decide what can be and what can't be though? How can there even be such a thing as "something that cannot be" unless Reality was that thing first in order to reject it? It's the same thing when you consider there's nothing outside of God, so what space do the things that can't be occupy? It's very strange because the same people here who say Consciousness has no limits say stuff such as "what can be". I think Consciousness does have limits, we just don't understand them. Another very interesting thing I've read on full-blown trip reports is that people say they have experienced "All That Is and Ever Will Be" as well as Omniscience. Isn't God supposed to be infinite? Such a thing as an "Ever Will Be" sounds like a limit itself, and means we'll experience the same things over and over again for eternity, an infinite loop. As per the Omniscience side, the more advanced users here have said that all the knowledge gotten from Infinity can be recontextualized indefinitely because it's unlimited. Ever new insights that have no end. How can you be aware of an infinite amount of knowledge at once?

because zero and infinity touch. total zero, absolute nothingness, is absence of limitations. this absence of limits makes nothingness be. be you, since there is only one nothing and one being. you, being, and having no limits, explode in a creative explosion in which everything that can be, is. empty infinity is full infinity. nothing is everything. absolute potential that contains all of existence. Total singularity, without opposite. nothing=everything=you this process was not once, an origin, long ago. is being now, always. the eternal source that flows from the void now. you can realize it at any time, it's what we are.

What you say is true in part. Imagine that you have done 5 meo, and the whole dream vanished, there was absolutely nothing left, and nothingness was revealed as infinity, and infinity as you, the total that it always is. the absolute, the glory. then I think: that is awakening. but that experience of infinity is something that I'm remembering right now. it is part of the current dream. It is only speculative. Right now I'm in the dream and I can't get out of it. if I meditate for two hours, it seems that the limits evaporate. but have I ever meditated or is it something I imagine now, in the dream? But in another hand, I see the dream right now, and I recognize the apparent as infinite, I recognize what seems not me as me, I recognize the dream as absolute. So, I see that to be awake is to be dreaming.

Here it goes, the story of my voyage from the depths of hell to meeting myself (the Absolute). A few months ago I did 400ug of LSD. At that point I had about 10-12 trips under my belt, but never going further than 200ug or 2.5g of Golden Teachers. I thought I was ready to go deeper. In hindsight, I was still very much a newbie psychonaut and extremely reckless with my set and setting. This happened in my house with friends over. There were 6 of us, 3 of us including myself took LSD but the others only took 200ug. All close friends (extremely inexperienced sitters) except a girl I didn't know well nor trusted. I was in a decent state of mind before the trip (pretty neutral), but after taking the tabs, as usual, I felt very anxious waiting for the onset. Then it came after about 20 minutes. My anxiety spiked, as it was extremely intense. The sober guys were loudly playing the PlayStation, yelling at the TV while playing Fifa and 2 of them started cooking in my kitchen. They made a mess and even managed to melt the lid of my pan on the kitchen stove. Funnily enough I was the one who noticed this while on a very challenging come up phase, already tripping balls. I saw the lid burning on the stove and asked if this was normal, as in that state I couldn't tell, yet I felt it to be wrong on some level. This was the beginning of my paranoia (no shit). I felt an overwhelming sense of impending doom, like I fucked up on a massive scale for some reason and that I was about to be punished. People still yelling at the TV, I remember thinking that all I needed was a quiet, relaxed, controlled environment to calm down and I was getting the exact opposite. So I kept getting more and more anxious until I started panicking as I couldn't handle it any longer. This is where psychosis began. I remember hearing footsteps on the building stairs, then an ambulance siren in the street, and I was convinced that the police was about to arrest us. I kept repeating "I did nothing wrong, I am a good person, why is this happening". At this point I was still far away from the peak. While coming up further, my memories get fuzzier and far in between, so I am mixing in what my friends told me happened. I remember feeling the deepest terror I've ever experienced, apparently I kept screaming the same phrase, something along the lines of "we are all one thing, there are no consequences". As I was screaming loudly and it was pretty late at night, this finally got my friends concerned and they tried talking to me, but I was totally out of it. For a brief moment I even remember getting violent, I slapped a friend while he was trying to take me from the living room to my bedroom while screaming that there are no consequences to anything. They made me lie on my bed while talking to me. I heard their voices, telling me to stop screaming and trying to reason with me. Pretty soon I closed my eyes. This is where the real show began. It could only start with my death. I reached a point of existential culmination, like every single moment that I ever experienced was in service of getting me right here, right now. I thrashed, and fought, and screamed for my life. I didn't want to face death. But it was inevitable, I couldn't control it, there was nothing I could do to stop it. And finally, I embraced it. For the first time, I truly surrendered. It was like my whole life was this amazing movie and THIS was the grand finale. So I might as well sit back and enjoy it. As you can probably tell, this was the turning point. Death turned out to be nothing like what I imagined. I jumped planes of existence. Time and space became meaningless. My friends' voices morphed into what I can only describe as voices of other entities that inhabited that particular plane of existence, one that I was just catapulted into. These voices, they were most definitely NOT part of my identity. They felt human but at the same time God-like. I wasn't even the center of attention. It's like they were chilling in this dimension and they just saw me enter screaming and panicking for no reason. So they talked to each other making fun of me. Not in a loving way, not in an concerned way, it was like "look at this idiot, what the fuck are you yelling for? Wake up". I started explaining why and what I was feeling, and they proceeded to completely demolish everything I said. Through simple, straight-forward language they conveyed the ultimate Truth of who/what I was and what was happening to me. Actually, it was more like they were trying to remind me of things I already knew but somehow forgot. They revealed the cosmic joke to me. All my fear vanished, I apologized to them for being so fucking stupid and obnoxious. Then I started exploring this new dimension. All the secrets of the universe, of consciousness were revealed to me in an ecstatic, never ending orgasm of Eternity. Turns out I was always "IT", everything has always been me and I orchestrated all this drama just to keep myself entertained forever. What a fucking legend. Out of love for myself, I projected Myself infinite times in an infinite multiplicity of Being in infinite dimensions just to experience this orgasmic, blissful loop of reunification with myself for all of Eternity. I make myself forget so I can remember. It's all a fucking joke, and you are the punchline. I am the punchline. If this endless futile searching of myself ends, so does the universe. But why would I do that? It's fun. And the more you suffer, the more you go through unimaginable pain and loss the funnier it gets. Isn't that fucking genius? Going back to the "trip report", I also went beyond God Consciousness to shortly grasp Nothingness (same thing, but even deeper). So, after feeling like all the secrets of Existence were finally cracked open, I remember the last thought that appeared in that state. "What now?". Immediately after thinking that, I was catapulted back into my body. In the short span of a few minutes I forgot EVERYTHING. It actually baffles me how fast my egoic barriers came roaring back and took control of my consciousness. It took me months of contemplation to even begin to remember a small part of this experience. In fact, this is probably less than 10%, but it's the best I could do. So here I am, back in the loop of searching myself. And so are you. We chillin'.

So we are just the awareness. Just the present moment? So detach from the idea that reality is real & only a dream or a fantasy? Stop taking life so seriously & have fun? Words help with the visualization/manifestation process and describing what it is we want to actualize into the fantasy? No free will? Damn I thought free will was the real deal So follow your bliss & where your heart takes you to go with it. Follow your heart. Speak from the heart. Do what you love. Doing what you love, with people that you love, expressing creativity with love. Being your true self. Who you were made to be. Which all of this is reconnecting to self-love? -- I think a big part of self-love is reconnecting with emotions and feelings. How can you follow your feelings if you can't have self-trust because feelings were shamed? I grew up being addicted to video games so never truly had a chance to have emotional awareness because of neglect from family. Weren't too many role models that taught healthy expressions. Mostly cold distant responses. Leading to domino effect or affect with self-abandonment/self-neglect which is nearly the opposite of self-love. Creating "Autism" or "ADHD".. or "Flat Affects" when really it's all emotional numbness and blunting b/c of self-hate. The self-hate is there because of social programming. Then it goes back as far as the human condition caused this. The creation of self-deception. Which even then to go another layer is to examine the entire concept of duality and how the mind split from source. Then to go beyond duality and ego construct & self-construct which I believe that's what you're pointing to? Non-duality or no self. Just beingness. Like a heard of cows in a field doing their thing or a group of fish swimming together or clouds floating around. Which is oneness which is god which is nothingness which is beyond words. Which is just an experience or a movie? So it would be like there's a video game & you can play the campaign which is following your inner guidance system - Emotions which leads you closer to your true self or self-realization/actualization. -- Also, congratz on getting the job that you mentioned.

If you wake up you will be in a void of nothingness with the realization...that everything was an illusion that was created in your mind. What you are is not a thing, what you are can only be pointed too. You are infinite possibility that can become a possibility. You are eternal, You are the Alpha and the Omega, you are Reality, you are that which can never be spoken....but can be lived through which is....being. If you want to learn more sit down and question everything sincerely and see what arises.

Dying before you die Finding confirmation in immortality So facing your deepest fears? Death meditation? Disassembling the self construct by deep contemplation and questioning? Disidentification with body? Letting go So if we don't have free will. Correct me if I'm wrong. Example : It's like we are in a boat. Attempting to paddle the boat up stream manually. Yet the automatic flow of the river is so powerful that no matter how much effort you put forth the boat only moves based on the flow of awareness? Awareness & consciousness gives the perception of the boat moving forward. Yet the water is still flowing where it wants to go. People don't know what they don't know. How can someone be aware if they are unaware of their unawareness. So to shine the light of awareness into the unknown to make it a known unknown? Shine light into the things we fear? Face the pain from the deep-rooted fear? Most fear is rooted in death? Fear of death of self. Fear of detachment. No self. Being nothingness or the dust on the ground. That's pretty hilarious that such a small thing as a needle can create such deep fear in people that give an image of fearlessness. The self-image is what people are wanting to hold up? Why? Why so much effort to hold together something that is false construct? Because it feels so real or we believe it to be real because that's all we know? It's odd walking through a grave site seeing how people still want to hold on to identity after death. As far as to put an imaginary name on a stone. Yet even when the person is long gone and the rock turns to dust. People still want the ashes for attachment purposes? What if they gave you the wrong ashes and you thought it was your great great great great great uncles? The person is holding onto nothing. I mean, dust but literally for a made-up story. To love is to let go? Life is a process of letting go? Detachment Ok so the key is to realize that the story of "You" doesn't exist it's just stories. Desire is a fading illusion so don't grasp at it. The body isn't fully you so don't over identify with the constant changes. So this is just like a movie? Is this the meaning of Plato's Allegory of the cave? Complete disidentification with form? Essentially stop judging things and attempting to change what is. Simply find a way to love what is. Life is a gift. Love it. All of it.

I thought very deeply about life for a long time. Existential questions really penetrated me beneath my skin. I deconstructed most of my beliefs about what life is or should be about. In the process a lot of my survival motivation got destroyed. When people talk about building a great life, they often go about it in a direction where they start with small goals and progress to higher goals. For example I start with making money. If that is secured and I want more I go for pick up, fun, socializing, hobbies… If that is all great and I look for more then I go for spirituality. But for me it doesn’t work that way any more. I can’t just go and hustle to make a lot of money and build on top of that. I need the higher stuff first to justify the smaller stuff. I need spiritual awakenings to take the seriousness out of life and to fall in love with it again. Then it’s a lot easier to socialize, do pick up, do hobbies.. because it’s all in a context of a metaphysically speaking harmonious and loving world. And I don’t have to ultimately worry about sickness and death and anything that is scary because I would know that I can’t die, so I could really party. And if all that is done and I have my spiritual basis and my joy in life then I could see the point in doing some hard stuff to make a living. Otherwise what’s the point in working hard if I don’t have joy in life and will just die and end up in eternal nothingness. It wouldn’t make any sense. What do you think? edit: This is coming from an unorientated, socially wounded person having a somewhat priviliged life in a first world country with enough time of being taken care of to entertain thoughts like these. So this is not just a high conscious perspective on things but also some cope. But still I think most people zombie through life for exactly those reasons, because they unconsciously think that in the end it will all be terrible and for nothing and it rottens and bitters their psyche and so they won’t create love in the world.

So SO under the highest state of consciousness my friend has ever been, he got taken over by pure consciousness or channeled god consciousness from the highest levels and he was doing it himself by letting go completely. (in my field of view the consciousness was showing me that this is truth by materializing him in nothingness and he merged with everything in the room (pure consciousness like walls/his seat etc.) When he gets taken over it's like and he is speaking not from his ego self but from an open channel, and consciousness was also letting me see this channel he was tapping into. When he was speaking from god, he was emitting very powerfull aura/energy towards me that was emitting very lovely energy like orgasm love and it made me cry because i was in the presence of god. Then when i started crying my mind showed me that his thoughts and actions right now is from me (god) just controlling his thoughts from higher power and it showed him exactly what to do because of my reaction me controlling him. I wrote some most important lines from when he was taking over by channelled god consciousness, which means it was god speaking not from his self but from everything that is. 1. More conscious more responsebility for others 2. He answered my questions that came up in my mind always at the right time and had an affect at what he said. 3. hold on to nothing 4. He kept saying selflessness alot from what i remember, and it's like to me it was the answer for everything at highest levels? Also thing he said from his high level of consciousness that i can remember while not being taking over by god is: Ego is just trying to make sense for higher levels of consciousness therefore it's seperate from god, this is how god gets to know himself from every detail possible and every consciousness level. Also the most obvious one for us 2 was: We don't really have control in our daily life, every choice is correct. When he got taken over by god and was god himself for a short time he said that the information that was available to him is just love and he was only seeing white. What i have noticed also: Is he always keeps speaking like he keeps getting these thoughts from nowhere for like 12 hours and i'm just looking at him and listening. He said hi's third eye/head is so warm and hurts from so much information that he was tapping into

@Razard86 Thank you so much for this amazing indepth answer?❤. Just a few last clarification questions if you dont mind 1) so do other beings ( animals/povs ) have feelings / thoughts experiences? Ie- if i punch my friend does my friend actually feel pain? Or is it like when i punch someone in a dream? ( ie-they react like they feel pain but in actuality they dont exist) 2) when you died/ when we die will we have any sense of experience/ some sort of awareness? Or will it be complete nothingness/ lack of any sense of awareness. Most teachers/ including leo have said death is actually one of the best experiences ever. He has said its better than a 1000 orgasms. From that i gather it has some distinct feeling that differentiates it from other feelings ie - the feeling of an orgasm and the feeling of eating a pizza / although both pleasurable can easily be differentiated right?

I'm here, but at the same time.. I'm actually not here. I'm here as the Nothingness, here as nothing,.. but here. And I am the source - the nothing - I am the source.. just watching.. and willing things into existence as well as out of existence. My Will is the only Way for any sort of creation in the whole cosmos. Will is the Way.. I am the Way.. there is no other Way but me. My Will is the light of the world. And, in deed, I am willing, for look.. there is Mind, right here, to reflect my Will. I am willing for this moment to exist. I am willing.

@newbee Fear only exists in the relative domain, which is illusory. In absolute truth, only nothingness / non duality "exists" although it is even beyond existence and non-existence. The nothingness is God. They are synonomous. Ultimately speaking God is all there is, and God is nothing. Fear and Love are a duality. Heaven and hell are a duality. Dualities ultimately do not exist. However the Nothingness we speak of here IS what true Love is. So ultimately Reality is pure Love. But pure Love without any contrast is simply nothing, and without fear as a contrast the meaning and the beauty of Love can not be realized. There are no awakened people. When awakening happens, people will dissappear, the illusion of people will be transcended. What remains is pure Love aka God aka Nothingness.

Nothingness is just a word describing the unknowable nature of reality...ie.... if you zoom in close enough on any particle there's simply nothing there..... it becomes ridiculous or unfathomable. Reality is not something to be gotten because it's not even a something..... it's off the scale unknowable sort of speak and yet the appearance is an explosion of light color and sound. It's something and it's simultaneously nothing = 0 ♥

the beauty of intelligent design over nothingness

@Vynce its a woman who talks also I didn t know that first if you are an artist please paint reality collapses into nothingness. Could be a new masterpiece