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Guanyin of the Seven Seas A female Boddhisattva of compassion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanyin This is my Laptop-Background-Picture. If one can feel her energy that vibrates as deep karmic imprint deep in the shared Social Holon of all of Humanity (and probably far beyond only this one civilization of ours), forged over Millenia as Morphic Field (Sheldrake) of Kosmic Habits in the subtle realms of manifestation. She is one form of many of the Universal Archetype of compassion that can be found in all spiritual systems and religions. The practice of compassion, Boddhichitta and Love in Buddhism (and other traditions) is not only a companion to any transcending/wisdom practice, or some kind of woowoo social glue practice. It is the generation of actual internal emotional states (and their corresponding impact on the subtle energy system) that acts as gateway for higher awakening/transcendence/emptiness states of Pure Impersonal Consciousness, that can not rise or persist if the heart is not open. Using these powerful subtle energies/Holons/Morphic Fields of these Archetypes. If the chakras are closed by being not open in compassion and love, the powerful energetic changes caused by resting in ones True Nature, impersonal empty consciousness, dissipate, and the state closer to ones True Being is not sustainable. The energy is real, can be felt in the body, and vibrates through Indras Net, even if does so through digital networks. Please excuse if I am going here very far away from my everday-character towards deeper planes of being. But be aware that anybody who ignores these mechanism even for an instant pays a price, including yours truly. Then we have Manjushri. "Mañjuśrī is depicted as a male bodhisattva wielding a flaming sword in his right hand, representing the realization of transcendent wisdom which cuts down ignorance and duality. The scripture supported by the padma (lotus) held in his left hand is a Prajñāpāramitā sūtra, representing his attainment of ultimate realization from the blossoming of wisdom" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manjushri He cuts through any ignorance and false view quickly with discriminating wisdom, so that true Prajna (nonconceptual wisdom) can be realized by all beings. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manjushri And if one wants to keep any kind of awakened state while engaging in any kind of exchange aiming for the greatest span of beings realizing the greatest depth of being and consciousness possible, at least yours truly would never want to miss to feel into their morphic emotional fields of these energies/state-vibrations that have been cut deeply as grooves into shared Kosmic Karma Storehouse of Humanity. To keep the heart as open as possible. These two archetypes are not some kind of phantasy like some pink elephants. They deeply vibrate in the subtle realms, for any being with a sensitive soul to feel.... A river of compassionate energy runs from there, and a flow of Prajñā, that would be less than wise to ignore... These are actual practices of contacting these energies via Deity-Yoga https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classes_of_Tantra_in_Tibetan_Buddhism "Anuttarayoga tantras (rnal ’byor bla med, Unexcelled or Unsurpassable yoga tantras), also known as Yoganiruttaratantra are meant for practitioners of the highest ability who do not rely on external activities. It uses the highest level of desire, sexual union and is thus also designated the “tantra of union of the two.” According to Kongtrul, only Highest Yoga includes both the generation and completion phases.[1][2] Kongtrul states that these are "supreme among all tantras" and "there is no other tantra above it."[21] Anuttarayoga is characterized by the practice of Deity Yoga as well as various subtle body yogas (such as the six Dharmas of Naropa), to generate great bliss and attain the subtle clear light (luminous) mind. According to Miranda Shaw, Anuttarayoga Tantra texts "have remained at the forefront of contemplation, ritual, and interpretation throughout the Himalayan Buddhist sphere".[22]" Since over 1000 unbroken years of lineage-practices in Tibet, these Archetypes have been trained in the Tantric Traditions to prepare the mindstream for the realization of Ultimate Reality. Many practices have been kept quite secret... Another kind of Infinity of Gods, although more on a relative/form level.... relative, imagined, but powerful entities/Holons/morphic fields. Yours truly thought it would maybe nice to sprinkle from time to time some deeper stuff into the everday conceptual discussion on the best mirage-path up the mountain... Can you feel the essence and presence of Guanyin of the Seven Seas in your heart and soul? Water by the River Ken Wilber, The Eye of Spirit Chapter: The Eye of Spirit The Eye of Spirit When I rest in simple, clear, ever-present awareness, I am resting in intrinsic Spirit; I am in fact nothing other than witnessing Spirit itself. I do not become Spirit; I simply recognize the Spirit that I always already am. When I rest in simple, clear, ever-present awareness, I am the Witness of the World. I am the eye of Spirit. I see the world as God sees it. I see the world as the Goddess sees it. I see the world as Spirit sees it: every object an object of Beauty, every thing and event a gesture of the Great Perfection, every process a ripple in the pond of my own eternal Being, so much so that I do not stand apart as a separate witness, but find the witness is one taste with all that arises within it. The entire Kosmos arises in the eye of Spirit, in the I of Spirit, in my own intrinsic awareness, this simple ever-present state, and I am simply that. From the ground of simple, ever-present awareness, one’s entire bodymind will resurrect. When you rest in primordial awareness, that awareness begins to saturate your being, and from the stream of consciousness a new destiny is resurrected. When the Great Search is undone, and the separate-self sense has been crucified; when the continuity of witnessing has stabilized in your own case; when ever-present awareness is your constant ground—then your entire bodymind will regenerate, resurrect, and reorganize itself around intrinsic Spirit, and you will arise, as from the dead, to a new destiny and a new duty in consciousness. You will cease to exist as separate self (with all the damage that does to the bodymind), and you will exist instead as vehicle of Spirit (with the bodymind now free to function in its highest potential, undistorted and untortured by the brutalities of the self-contraction). From the ground of everpresent awareness, you will arise embodying any of the enlightened qualities of the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas—“one whose being (sattva) is ever-present awareness (bodhi).” The Buddhist names are not important; the enlightened qualities they represent are. The point is simply that, once you have stably recognized simple, ever-present awareness—once the Great Search and the selfcontraction have been robbed of separative life and returned to God, returned to their ground in ever-present awareness—then you will arise, from the ground of ever-present awareness, and you will embody any of the highest possibilities of that ground. You will be vehicle of the Spirit that you are. That ever-present ground will live through you, as you, in a variety of superordinary forms. Perhaps you will arise as Samantabhadra, whose ever-present awareness takes the form of a vast equality consciousness: you will realize that the everpresent awareness that is fully present in you is the same awareness that is fully present in all sentient beings without exception—one and the same, single and only—one heart, one mind, one soul that breathes and beats and pulses through all sentient beings as such—and your very countenance will remind all beings of that simple fact, remind them that there is only Spirit, remind them that nothing is closer to God than anything else, for there is only God, there is only Goddess. Perhaps you will arise as Avalokiteshvara, whose ever-present awareness takes the form of gentle compassion. In the brilliant clarity of ever-present awareness, all sentient beings arise as equal forms of intrinsic Spirit or pure Emptiness, and thus all beings are treated as the sons and daughters of the Spirit that they are. You will have no choice but to live this compassion with a delicate dedication, so that your very smile will warm the hearts of those who suffer, and they will look to you for a promise that they, too, can be liberated into the vast expanse of their own primordial awareness, and you will never turn away. Perhaps you will arise as Prajnaparamita, the mother of the Buddhas, whose ever-present awareness takes the form of a vast spaciousness, the womb of the great Unborn, in which the entire Kosmos exists. For in deepest truth, it is exactly from the ground of your own simple, clear, ever-present awareness that all beings are born; and it is to the ground of your simple, clear, ever-present awareness that all beings will return. Resting in the brilliant clarity of ever-present awareness, you watch the worlds arise, and all the Buddhas arise, and all sentient beings as such arise. And to you they will all return. And you will smile, and receive, in this vast expanse of everlasting wisdom, and it will all begin again, and yet again, and always yet again, in the womb of your ever-present state. Perhaps you will arise as Manjushri, whose ever-present awareness takes the form of luminous intelligence. Although all beings are equally intrinsic Spirit, some beings do not easily acknowledge this ever-present Suchness, and thus discriminating wisdom will brilliantly arise from the ground of equality consciousness. You will instinctively see what is true and what is false, and thus you will bring clarity to everything you touch. And if the selfcontraction does not listen to your gentler voice, your ever-present awareness will manifest in its wrathful form, which is said to be none other than the dreaded Yamantaka, Subduer of the Lord of Death. And so perhaps you will arise as Yamantaka, fierce protector of everpresent awareness and samurai warrior of intrinsic Spirit. Precisely those items that pretend to block ever-present awareness must be quickly cut through, which is why ever-present awareness arises in its many wrathful forms. You will simply be moved, from the ground of equality consciousness, to expose the false and the shallow and the less-thaneverpresent. It is time for the sword, not the smile, but always the sword of discriminating wisdom, which ruthlessly cuts all obstacles in the ground of the all-encompassing. Perhaps you will arise as Bhaishajyaguru, whose ever-present awareness takes the form of a healing radiance. From the brilliant clarity of ever-present awareness, you will be moved to remind the sick and the sad and those in pain that although the pain is real, it is not what they are. With a simple touch or smile, contracted souls will relax into the vast expanse of intrinsic awareness, and disease will lose all meaning in the radiance of that release. And you will never tire, for ever-present awareness is effortless in its functioning, and so you will constantly remind all beings of who and what they really are, on the other side of fear, in the radical love and unflinching acceptance that is the mirror-mind of ever-present awareness. Perhaps you will arise as Maitreya, whose ever-present awareness takes the form of a promise that, even into the endless future, ever-present awareness will still be simply present. From the brilliant clarity of primordial awareness, you will vow to be with all beings, even unto an eternity of futures, because even those futures will arise in simple present awareness, the same present awareness that now sees just exactly this. Those are simply a few of the potentials of ever-present awareness. The Buddhist names don’t matter; any will do. They are simply a few of the forms of your own resurrection. They are a few of the possibilities that might animate you after the death of the Great Search. They are a few of the ways the world looks to the ever-present eye of Spirit, the ever-present I of Spirit. They are what you see, right now, when you see the world as God sees it, from the groundless ground of simple ever-present awareness. PS: But please don't arise as Tai Lung And It Is All Undone Perhaps you will arise as any or all of those forms of ever-present awareness. But then, it doesn’t really matter. When you rest in the brilliant clarity of ever-present awareness, you are not Buddha or Bodhisattva, you are not this or that, you are not here or there. When you rest in simple, ever-present awareness, you are the great Unborn, free of all qualities whatsoever. Aware of color, you are colorless. Aware of time, you are timeless. Aware of form, you are formless. In the vast expanse of primordial Emptiness, you are forever invisible to this world. It is simply that, as embodied being, you also arise in the world of form that is your own manifestation. And the intrinsic potentials of the enlightened mind (the intrinsic potentials of your ever-present awareness)—such as equanimity, discriminating wisdom, mirrorlike wisdom, ground consciousness, and all-accomplishing awareness—various of these potentials combine with the native dispositions and particular talents of your own individual bodymind. And thus, when the separate self dies into the vast expanse of its own ever-present awareness, you will arise animated by any or all of those various enlightened potentials. You are then motivated, not by the Great Search, but by the Great Compassion of these potentials, some of which are gentle, some of which are truly wrathful, but all of which are simply the possibilities of your own ever-present state. And thus, resting in simple, clear, ever-present awareness, you will arise with the qualities and virtues of your own highest potentials—perhaps compassion, perhaps discriminating wisdom, perhaps cognitive insight, perhaps healing presence, perhaps wrathful reminder, perhaps artistic accomplishment, perhaps athletic skill, perhaps great educator, or perhaps something utterly simple, maybe being the best flower gardener on the block. (In other words, any of the developmental lines released into their own primordial state, released into their own post-postconventional condition.)2 When the bodymind is released from the brutalities inflicted by the selfcontraction, it naturally gravitates to its own highest estate, manifested in the great potentials of the enlightened mind, the great potentials of simple, everpresent awareness. Thus, as you rest in simple, ever-present awareness, you are the great Unborn; but as you are born—as you arise from ever-present awareness— you will manifest certain qualities, qualities inherent in intrinsic Spirit, and qualities colored by the dispositions of your own bodymind and its particular talents. And whatever the form of your own resurrection, you will arise, driven not by the Great Search, but by your own Great Duty, your limitless Dharma, the manifestation of your own highest potentials, and the world will begin to change, because of you. And you will never flinch, and you will never fail in that great Duty, and you will never turn away, because simple, ever-present awareness will be with you now and forever, even unto the ends of the worlds, because now and forever and endlessly forever, there is only Spirit, only intrinsic awareness, only the simple awareness of just this, and nothing more. But that entire journey to what is begins at the beginningless beginning: we begin by simply recognizing that which is always already the case. (“If you understand this, then rest in that which understands, and just that is exactly Spirit. If you do not understand this, then rest in that which does not understand, and just that is exactly Spirit.”) We allow this recognition of ever-present awareness to arise—gently, randomly, spontaneously, through the day and into the night. This simple, ever-present awareness is not hard to attain but impossible to avoid, and we simply notice that. We do this gently, randomly, and spontaneously, through the day and into the night. Soon enough, through all three states of waking, dreaming, and sleeping, this recognition will grow of its own accord and by its own intrinsic power, outshining the obstacles that pretend to hide its nature, until this simple, ever-present awareness announces itself in an unbroken continuity through all changes of state, through all changes of space and time, whereupon space and time lose all meaning whatsoever, exposed for what they are, the shining veils of the radiant Emptiness that you alone now are— and you will swoon into that Beauty, and die into that Truth, and dissolve into that Goodness, and there will be no one left to testify to terror, no one left to take tears seriously, no one left to engineer unease, no one left to deny the Divine, which only alone is, and only alone ever was, and only alone will ever be. And somewhere on a cold crystal night the moon will shine on a silently waiting Earth, just to remind those left behind that it is all a game. The lunar light will set dreams afire in their sleeping hearts, and a yearning to awaken will stir in the depths of that restless night, and you will be pulled, yet again, to respond to those most plaintive prayers, and you will find yourself right here, right now, wondering what it all really means—until that flash of recognition runs across your face and it is all undone. You then will arise as the moon itself, and sing those dreams in your very own heart; and you will arise as the Earth itself, and glorify all of its blessed inhabitants; and you will arise as the Sun itself, radiant to infinity and much too obvious to see; and in that One Taste of primordial purity, with no beginning and no end, with no entrance and no exit, with no birth and no death, it all comes radically to be; and the sound of a singing waterfall, somewhere in the distance, is all that is left to tell this tale, late on that crystal cold night, bathed so beautifully in that lunar light, just so, and again, just so. When the great Zen master Fa-ch’ang was dying, a squirrel screeched out on the roof. “It’s just this,” he said, “and nothing more.”

Picture watching a movie where everyone is in character acting out their scripts. An awakened person stops and says....wait a minute this is a movie!!!! From there they can go off script. Ultimately you can say even that is still part of the story. But the difference is that character is not bound by any ideology. So in essence they are free to be whatever they choose.

Wow....you are literally making stuff up!!! I'm done...I can tell you don't want to awaken. A negative awakening? I'm so done that doesn't even exist!!!! No the only awakening is to realize that everything is direct and seperation doesn't exist at all. I can't believe you just said the phrase negative awakening.....what the hell is that? I'm done. You will never awaken until you rid yourself of all this fear and bullshit you keep spewing. Do you know the hilariousness of NOT having a non-dual baseline experience daily....and pontificating and trying to imagine what it is like. You literally have as your life a dual experience and you can only break through to non-duality using psychedelics, yet you are telling ME who lives from non-duality....what TRUE non-duality is... and you think I LIVE in a logical framework? The depths of delusion you are stuck in is PROFOUND!!!! And very funny. I want to show you compassion....but it won't help you. It will just encourage your delusion. So I will continue to make fun of your delusion....just like a bad trip will. Until your ego decides...it doesn't know shit. Because....you don't know what the hell you are talking about....because you don't live from that state....but you love to try to imagine what it would be like. Hey guys....here is how to know if you are deluded....when you speak about something....THAT IS NOT IN YOUR DIRECT EXPERIENCE. You are imagining what you THINK it will be like. This is why awakened people know who isn't awake. Because you reveal yourselves through your own deluded imagination. It's like a virgin telling a porn star what sex is like. He imagines what it is to have sex, and what it IS REALLY LIKE. And the porn star shakes his head because he knows from the descriptions....that he is talking to a virgin.

^^^^Sophistry and poetry. It is beautifully written. The only thing that awakens you is the realization that there is only you, because it is true. That's it. If you accept what is true, completely and utterly with no resistance and raise your consciousness then permanent realization will happen. The funny thing is many of you enter altered states of consciousness all the time through smoking weed or taking other such substances. If you only knew that from that state if you accepted the truth.....in that moment realization would occur. You don't need months, you don't years, all you need is a full understanding of what you are, and the awareness to see it. Anyone not awakened is just hyponotized!!! You are hypnotized into a solid reality, and in your direct experience this is what you call real. When you can accept the instability of reality as also real....and accept the understanding that your true nature is not bound by stability but is completely free to express itself in anyway just like a cartoon. Hell I would suggest seeing yourself as a cartoon as a more direct way to awakening than all those traditional ancient moralistic, biased methods. All you have to do is accept the truth, and verify it in your direct experience. If you have verified it but it has not become your baseline...it's only because you are in denial. All you psychunauts who trip, and trip, and trip on end with no permanent non-duality? The ONLY reason you don't have it, is because you fear your true nature. You are literally right there......your right there. Figure out...what it is....that is stopping you from accepting it. THIS is the purpose of deconstruction, THIS is the purpose of self-inquiry. Anything else....is bullshit. Deconstruct the lies, the story, and discover the fear that stops you from...experiencing the fullness of what you are......the truth is....it's what you fear the most. YOU FEAR BEING NOTHING.

Hi Sincerity, and please: If I go over the top with my stylistic devices overkill, give me a big smack with the Keisaku! https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keisaku You know, if I would really seriously start attacking certain (in my opinion very very dangerous conceptual systems like Solipsism) in a measure that would be appropriate to the potential damage Solipsism can cause at certain readers of the forum, we would be in a s***-show of the highest degree. And since such a Nondual/Dharma-battle that is not kept on the light side only leads to conflict, suffering, bruised egos and a lot of fallout (and not much productive stuff else), I try to stay on the light side, trying to take myself not to serious. The only thing I allow myself is limited amounts of irony, not crossing the line of sarcassm (if I do, give me the Keisaku). And sometimes maybe risking writing like a smartass using a broad range of certain linguistic stylistic devices and foreign words. Like, you know, in: Oscar Wilde — 'You can never be overdressed or overeducated.' Forgive me these little sins and vices. And feel free to use the Keisaku if I go over the top. Writing is a monologue, and it is difficult to see how its interpreted on the other side. We are all on the same path, going from atom-molecule-plant-animal-human-stone age- medieval age- industrial age- information age- AI- Skynet -Terminator-Fermi-Paradoxon [just kidding, I dont believe in that, although its possible] - awakened humanity uploaded to Alien Dimension [Reality Switch Technologies: Psychedelics as Tools for the Discovery and Exploration of New Worlds ], so... Lets enjoy the journey! Water by the River

Whatever you feel is toxic...go towards. Believing something to be toxic is EGO. There is NO TOXIC. If you haven't fully awakened then that means resistance still is within you. So go towards everything you deem toxic till you can love that too. When your love reaches a certain amount of acceptance, that is what causes permanent awakening. Think of this dream as a love simulator. The more you can love the higher your awareness becomes. So you wanna hit that baseline? Love TOXICITY!! DROWN IN THAT SHIT!!! Think about it....are you in any danger being exposed to information you deem toxic? No!!! But you are afraid it will corrupt you. How can it corrupt you....if you know what is true? This means you don't trust yourself on your ability to take in information and make sense of it. This stems from a lack of self-love.

I'm glad you noticed. Why? Because this is the game that Politicians play. What many on here don't realize....is I do this on purpose. Do you know how easy it is to be civil? Civility is literally trained into you from birth. If you are bound by civility you cannot awaken. The hardest part of the awakening part is BREAKING your human conditioning and it is bound by civility. For example there are some awakened states and meditative state where you will start drooling, you might start farting, these are all things that you are taught to be ASHAMED OF!!! Notice humans believe that something called curse words are bad, that using all CAPS in writing is bad, and more distinctions. Humans believe too much direct communication is bad. Be polite, be kind, and all that nonsense. This is why Ram Dass said the LAST TRAP is Self-Righteousness. It's called the GOLDEN CHAIN. Golden= Because it is well-meaning, but that thing will bind you. So I am glad you noticed. Here is the funny part too, I have written more loving glowing posts, than I have direct deconstructive calling everything bullshit posts. But notice how bias works? It claims you did the unfavorable thing MORE than the favorable thing. Humans are such creatures, a man could obey the law his entire life and break it one times and people will claim he is a career criminal and make that one act the defining feature of that guy. Also notice this....when people find a reason to like you....then they excuse your behavior. Like Saul in the Bible who killed all those Christians he gets forgiven because he became Paul and wrote majority of the New Testament. He is considered a Saint even though he killed all those people. Yet Judas is vilified for the one act of betrayal. People will claim context matters but in actuality it doesn't, we create our own standards and if you follow legal systems...we keep changing them. http://tallangattalegalstudies.weebly.com/reasons-why-laws-change.html#:~:text=Values across society changes over,society in the present time. Morality doesn't exist, humans create it. As such....it is inconsistent across cultures, and across time. Yet they hold onto it as if it actually means something. HAHHA BULLSHIT!!! The truth is...you have never needed morality ever in your life.

Well in truth the absolute is always awake but it cannot experience it until one of its avatars are awakened. Each avatar will experience their awakening differently, for example some may gain spiritual powers/abilities. In fact I think every awakened person actually gains an ability for example some may gain an increased capacity for compassion, some may have ridiculous amounts of energy, some may have ridiculous amounts of deconstructive ability, some may gain an increased ability to communicate or relate to others. When I talk about someone being awake I am talking about that person's ability to communicate Oneness. But what I have learned through my journey is each Teacher's contribution is not only beneficial but necessary. For example Mooji is really good at teaching how to operate from the day to day. Rupert Spira is good at helping people picture in their head certain Spiritual concepts. Leo is really good at directly simplifying the Spiritual Teachings and summarizing their essence. If you awaken your style and communication will be different but it will offer something in a way that other avatars do not. The purpose of the teachings is to completely destroy your individual story so you can actually enjoy it. So when I talk about someone not being awake, it's about their ability to effectively KILL you by removing ALL HOPE and MEANING AND PURPOSE from your perspective. If I put you in a HORROR film and effectively convinced you it was real you would suffer immensely. The only way for me to save you would be to break you out of the film by destroying everything you hold dear psychologically so you can awaken to the fact that it is just a movie. To you I will appear as a DEVIL as I work to remove you of all MEANING AND PURPOSE because you don't realize that you can't enjoy something if you are holding onto it for dear life. LOL.

The first question is not sincere because we all know true awakening is NOT conceptual. This is KNOWN. If all it took was an understanding of concepts then anyone who studied would be awake. Awakening causes a CHANGE in how you EXPERIENCE reality. What's worse is I have said this MANY TIMES in my posts and notice how YOU ignore it. The second question is also dishonest. You attempt to push the notion that someone needs to be sanctioned by me to be awakened. The only thing I said is Absolute Solipsism is absolutely true. So I said ANYONE who says otherwise is not awakened. That ANYONE can be ME, LEO, the authority is not coming from ME it is coming from TRUTH! So again...notice the slight of hand at play? You are a politician!!! You aren't genuine at all!! Third question is again fraudulent because awakening causes a SHIFT in EXPERIENCE what I just mentioned earlier. I also mentioned in my post that a shift in consciousness must be part of the self-inquiry process THAT is why meditation is done for a SHIFT in consciousness. Inquiry is done to detach egoic beliefs, and then meditation is done to take that clarity that is given through detachment to perceive the TRUE NATURE of reality. If you didn't need a shift in consciousness then meditation and psychedelics wouldn't be needed. If you didn't need deconstruction to achieve clarity then self-inquiry wouldn't be needed either. Some don't even need meditation, just clarity in some rare instances can cause a permanent shift. But most still need a shift. So I just revealed the deception in your posts, because you weren't interested in an honest inquiry, you were trying to lay a trap and push a narrative. I just revealed your plan for all to see.....because unlike you....I could give a damn about power struggles and likeability. TO HELL WITH THAT.

Whooopsi Like Ramana, who reasoned his way to Enlightenement with LOGIC. And all the other cases of more or less sponteneous Enlightenment, like Anandamayi Ma and so on and on. (Karma causing Awakened States anybody)? Yours truly is not adversive to logic, as one can see considering his way tooo long ramblings. But claiming that one needs Logic for Awakening and Enlightenment.... Ok, Ladies and Gentlemen, no real danger of serious seduction from and towards the dark side here.... Please reason & logic your way to God/Absolute.... Has been tried before. One can even get a PhD in that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology all the best Selling Water by the River

@Razard86: Four humble questions: (1) And as soon as one has understood this (what you write), and is deeply convinced that all of that is the case and true, is one then enlightened or awakened or realized? (2) If not (according to question 1), what would an aficionado of Absolute Solipsism have to do (or believe, or whatever) to get sanctioned by you to have awoken? (3) In which case would he have not have awoken, if he agrees these tenets/points you describe? (4) What would the Realizer/"Awakended one of Absolute Solipsism" have to do if he still suffers to get rid of that suffering, to ease his suffering? And please #1. some very specific answers, directly answering & hitting the meaning of the questions, to the best of your abilities #2. no talking about the bush, and #3. please the answer for each question separate. Lets see if there is enough reading comprehension and courtesy/compassion to consider Points #1,#2,#3 And let's see if yours truly has already made it to the list of lost souls forever burning in the hell of the heretics that are not worthy replying to them because even replying can cause their evil spirits and ideas to flare to possibly seduce and spoil the souls of innocents ones that still can be saved to Absolute Solipsism is deserving of the simple courtesy of not being ignored & answered to. Thanks! Yours truly Selling Water by the River PS: And sorry for the stuff crossed

If everything is predetermined by God, then it means that you have no Free Will, or very little of it. Which also means that pursuing awakening is pointless, if God’s Will for you is not to be awakened in this life. Which also means that you can meditate as much as you want, trip as much as you want and you will never awaken. But, most of the time, you will awaken after some time (could be very fast or very slow) and if you do those things, so how will you justify this experience? Was it Free Will or was it predetermined? Same with death. If I choose to Off myself right here and right now, then who did it? Was it my Free Will or was my whole life predetermined by God up to this point and that’s how it was supposed to be. In that case even when I think I have control over my experience, it’s actually an illusion. The concept of free will is probably one of the most important one to grasp, I am yet to fully grasp it, but the way I look at it is that you have free will on a lower, material level, and some big events in your life (enlightenment/awakening/death) are pre-determined, but it’s just the matter of time when it wil happen. Following this concept, you cannot fail, and it’s impossible for you to not become awakened, the question is wether or not you will transcend the dream, move on (achieve total liberation, samadhi, return to God) and choose to never reincarnate again.

Go to your local (and hopefully enlightened) Zen Master or any being one considers fully woken up/enlightened (because it takes one to know one), present him with your awakened state and/or Enlightenment & if you are so inclinded delivering also corresponding relative concepts (risking a smack), and you already get that today. Or 500 years ago. The apparent problem is of course: If one is the only awake.... like in only one ever can be awake. But I guess these aficionados wouldn't go to a potentially smacking Zen Master. Anticipating probably the outcome or so. So that kind of problem is solved anyway. Selling Water by the River

I'm not, I'm giving examples of how it expresses to make a point. Consciousness IS, whatever you are experiencing, THAT is what it is at that moment. It's a shapeshifter. It CANNOT be BEYOND anything because it is everything. We say its not bound by time and space because it can appear as time and space. https://www.actualized.org/insights/actualized-quotes-020 It's nothing, it's love, and it appears as the things listed above. As long as it appears as those things, then in that moment that is what it is. But those are all relative, impermanent appearances so they are ultimately a lie because they are not permanent. The only permanent is absolute solipsism of the self. The self is alone for all eternity. Look if you haven't awakened fully....why are you even playing these word games? Unless you are here to get understanding to use in contemplation for awakening...you are just distracting yourself. I only drop by here to add illumination from all the traps and confusion people can fall into. I try to point people to the videos Leo made that can help them understand and make sense of things. A lot of people on the forum are corrupting the teachings and I'm just helping correct that. I do think that should be the Moderator's role but whatever.

Yes. If you work carefully with Solipsism, and what I have read from you so far sounds very responsible. Danger is: When there is no other, there can still be you. Only you. One. Not One without a second. One, but not fully nondual/impersonal. Breakingthewall, from what I read you understand this very well, the danger and potential of that concept. Please allow me some general musings on the topic, not specifically adressed to you. The idea that the ego/separate self is God is the worst idea one can have. We agree on that. Blows up that which one has to kill/transcend. The opposite of Neti Neti. Shooting oneself in the knee and then starting the Marathon, and saying: I have done a good preparation for the run. At least in my perspective, there is zero problem for integrating the different views concerning Solipsism, and its partial truths: Solipsism on the level of the separate self: Wrong. The separate self IS NOT GOD or Reality. Ones True Being (Nothingness) is Infinite Reality, not the separate-self-cloud covering exactly that deep impersonal immortal always here True Identity. Solipsism on the level of the Absolute/Infinite Consciousness/Universal Mind: right. But totally useless once one is there, because it is just another fake concept floating in ones most obvious True Being. One snips it off like a fly. And before being there, it harms one also, because in any way it blows up ones ego, even if very subtle. And even if its just one more concept floating in oneself. I never had the need to think in Solipsistic terms while letting Nonduality ripen. Never. It would have only hurt me on the path, probably big time. How to get rid of "other", the loving style: And if one starts really feeling and intuiting that ones own being and consciousness is looking out from the eyes from another human (or any being): You would never ever start with ideas of Solipsism. Never. Instead, that beginning recognition is the highest level of empathy and love. But at that moment, there is no "you". Just impersonal Consciousness, in you, and the "other". It doesn't even make sense to say there is no other, because that implies that you are there (as concept and subtle separate self identity, not as Reality), because there really is no other. But also no you. Not one, but One without a second. Nondual, and not just Union of one with the Totality. So one can't say there is only me. There is only THAT. And nothing more can be said about that. And it is not one! It is not two! It is the one without a second. Nondual. Not one. And THAT is love, THAT is impersonal being, THAT is the essence of all of Reality. And THAT is also Nothingness. But anyway: If one thinks about it while on the way of getting to the Absolute, the concept of Solipsism is not useful. And when "one" is there, it is another crappy and redundant concept floating through oneself that also doesn't make sense. Which means nothing else then: The concept is not useful at any point in time on the path. It is a half-true half-false concept, making it completely false. Like every half-truth. If one wants to get home fast, better forget about it! Or use it with extreme care. I personally would rather recommend dissolving each and every concept, let real nonduality (an awakened state) ripen in an nonceonceptual empty mindstream, than playing Russian Roulette with such a concept. Ones separate self is not even dead when the shot goes off, but even more alive and bigger than ever.... Selling Water by the River

@Judy2 Yes, a moral compass is a good analogy. Judgment is the steadiness of the needle, but it is only useful when an accurate map is being followed INFJs tend to troop off in whatever direction our current level of awareness tells us to go. It may be toward an oasis or off a cliff, but we march with determination to the inevitable end. The "N" in us can be honed to ensure we are carrying the correct map in the first place. As you have realized, behaviors that help us feel safe often cause more harm than good. Of course, we need form survival to continue experiencing the dream, but the truth is that most of what is required can be sustained on autopilot. This realization is especially poignant for people like INFJs who tend to maximize everything, including the suffering of misguided navigation. Instead of losing yourself in attempts to feel safe from external threats, or to secure happiness through external desires, the secret is to find yourself within. When it happens, the light of the absolute will burst through, and you will laugh at former attempts to protect that which can never be harmed. My advice is to find whatever tool that turns your attention inward. Maybe it's meditation, guidance from an awakened teacher, contemplation of writings like the Bhagavad Gita, or ideally direct self-inquiry. It's less about the method than about leveraging whatever method helps you enter the gate of absolute realization.

Dear RedLine, valid questions, but answering them in detail would cause another waaay to long rambling from my side. The answers to your questions are in my previous posts. Please feel invited to check them out, and if you don't find something useful for your questions, feel free to send me a PM. Short answer is: Both Vedanta and Buddhist meditation system know and use Nondual states. The trick is how to get there. Latest when getting nondual states (and probably already before when you really start to get the emptiness nature of every thought arising, and can start to dissolve your own suffering-self-contraction-arisings), you will be hellbent to continue the path. Also, the paths starts showing itself to itself then. It goes "downhill" from there, not uphill. Because you have seen the benefits of the path there (bliss starts flowing). One could say that Vedanta and Theravada tend quite strongly towards concentrative methods, same as the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali for example and Zen. But not exclusively. See Daniel Browns dissertation for example. The Mahamudra system has got some real unique techniques of combining concentrative and insight elements to learn to be able to ride along the mental talk of the mindstream in a lucid/mindful way. That way, you can use daily life very efficient to get the necessary momentum for for example nondual states and getting to impersonal Awakened Awareness. I can only highly recommend Daniel Browns Pointing Out the Great Way on that topic. And by the way, one can't say Buddhist practice style, there many systems in Buddhism. Theravada is very different from for example Tibetan Mahamudra. My personal opinion is that the Mahamudra-Sytem (for example in the book of Brown) is orders of magnitude more efficient than most other systems I know. Selling Water by the River

Ken Wilber, One Taste: "Monday, March 24. With the awakening of constant consciousness, you becomesomething of a divine schizophrenic, in the popular sense of “split-minded,” because you have access to both the Witnessand the ego. You are actually “whole-minded,” but it sounds like it’s split, because you are aware of the constant Witness or Spirit in you, and you are also perfectly aware of themovie of life, the ego and all its ups and downs. So you still feel pain and suffering and sorrow, but they can no longer convince you of their importance—you are no longer the victim of life, but its Witness. In fact, because you are no longer afraid of your feelings,you can engage them with much greater intensity. The movie of life becomes more vivid and vibrant, precisely because you are no longer grasping or avoiding it, and thus no longer trying to dull or dilute it. You no longer turn the volume down. You might even cry harder, laugh louder, jump higher. Choiceless awareness doesn’t mean you cease to feel; it means you feel fully, feel deeply, feel to infinity itself, and laugh and cry and love until it hurts. Life jumps right off the screen, and you are one with all of it, because you don’t recoil. If you are having a dream, and you think it’s real, it can get very scary. Say you are dreaming that you are tightropewalking across Niagara Falls. If you fall off, you plunge to your death. So you are walking very slowly, very carefully.Then suppose you start lucid dreaming, and you realize that it’s just a dream. What do you do? Become more cautious and careful? No, you start jumping up and down on the tightrope, you do flips, you bounce around, you have a ball—precisely because you know it isn’t real. When you realize it’s a dream, you can afford to play. The same thing happens when you realize that ordinary life is just a dream, just a movie, just a play. You don’t become more cautious, more timid, more reserved. You start jumping up and down and doing flips, precisely because it’sall a dream, it’s all pure Emptiness. You don’t feel less, you feel more—because you can afford to. You are no longer afraid of dying, and therefore you are not afraid of living.You become radical and wild, intense and vivid, shocking and silly. You let it all come pouring through, because it’s all your dream. Life then assumes its true intensity, its vivid luminosity, itsradical effervescence. Pain is more painful and happiness is happier; joy is more joyous and sorrow is even sadder. It all comes radiantly alive to the mirror-mind, the mind that doesn’t grasp or avoid, but simply witnesses the play, and therefore can afford to play, even as it watches. What would motivate you if you saw everything as the dream of your own highest Self? What would actually move you in this playful dream world? Everything in the dream is basically fun, at some deep level, except for this: when you see your friends suffering because they think the dream is real, you want to relieve their suffering, you want them to wake up, too. Watching them suffer is not fun. And so a deep and powerful compassion arises in the heart of the awakened ones, and they seek, above all else, to awaken others—and thus relieve them from the sorrow and the pity,the torment and the pain, the terror and the anguish that comes from taking with dreadful seriousness the passing dream of life. So you are a divine schizophrenic, you are “split-minded” in the sense that you are simultaneously in touch with both the pure Witness and the world of the ego-film. But that really means you are actually “whole-minded,” because these two worlds are really not-two. The ego is just the dream of the Witness, the film that the Witness creates out of its own infinite plenitude, simply so it will have something to watch at the movies. At that point the entire play arises within your own constant consciousness. There is no inside and no outside, no in here versus out there. The nondual universe of One Taste arises as a spontaneous gesture of your own true nature. You can taste the sun and swallow the moon, and centuries fit in the palm of your hand. The pure I-I, the greatI AMness, breathes to infinity and creates a Kosmos as the Song of its very Self, and oceans of compassion fall as tears from your very own Original Face. Last night I saw the reflection of the moon in a cool clear crystal pond, and nothing else happened." Selling Water by the River

You realize that he didn't read your post, right? he read it superficially taking everything as an affront But since you're writing, take the opportunity to respond by comparing himself to Jesus Christ or Martin Luther King, and to say that he receive tons of messages asking for advice, and to say that it's impossible to do better pointers that those he does, and how successful he is awaking people out of the forum. Awaking people! ?. Leo has been working for years and I'd like to know if he has awakened just one. Man...it's obvious.

1. I literally said I am not special= Humbleness. But again your corrupted mind filters out what is written because you only want to see what you want to see. 2. I have taken 4 tabs of LSD and all that happened is I entered a state that loved everything. If I lived from that state I would starve to death because I would love everything so equally there would be no point in me doing anything. This is why I laugh at all non-awakened people you guys are guessing what Enlightenment is because you do not live from that state. Like a poor man guessing what it is to be rich, or a virgin guessing what it is to get unlimited sex. 3. Clean enough? The only clean or not clean is do you DENY what you are. Everyone that has ever lived is equally clean. Jesus was not more clean than Trump. Trump is just IN DENIAL of what he is. 4. I don't want to be a professional guru = ANOTHER PROJECTION because you do not analyze you just project. If I wanted to be a professional guru why would I waste my time giving away insights for free? I would literally just write them down and publish them. I give them away for free, because I want all who want to awaken to get what they desire. Also...why would I promote Leo? Leo is literally getting free advertisement of me on here as I continually tell you what each video is pointing too. Even more I advertise Leo to my friends if they have issues in their life. So notice....you the one who needs to be humble is YOU. I am already awake, I experience Non-Dual all the time. You don't...so who is it that should be humble? Deconstructing biased commentary is so boring....I really wish you guys were capable of better discernment. Also here is some extra credit: Look at what Jesus did here. https://biblehub.com/john/2-15.htm When you neuter self-expression to only pleasant compliments and demonize the directness of accountability as an arrogance you blind yourself from the truth. I would rather someone yell at me to "Fucking get out the room you imbecile in a burning building, than for someone to tell me "You are perfect and always right, here let me help you" as they politely stab me in the back. You guys view delivery or tonality of a message as the message itself. The style of the delivery, and the image of the deliverer does not matter, all that matters is the message itself. Truth stands alone, it doesn't need pleasantness, it just is. Develop the skill of discernment by not being attached to the deliverer and the delivery style.

@KGrimes You're right that the mind is tricky, and are wise to be wary of it. It takes deep inner insight, yoked with sincere integration, for the mind to become domesticated. There are good therapists out there, but you have to keep looking until you find the right person for you. It's true that most therapists aren't awakened, but all you truly need is someone that can provide a safe space and ask questions that help you find the answers within yourself. There's a reason one of the traditional paths of awakening is bhakti, or devotion with the guidance of a guru. It is all the same summit, just different paths of getting there, based on the individual dispositions and strengths of the aspirant.

But awakening is not just feel everything as unity. You may have mentally convinced yourself of that, since it really makes sense and logic. but another thing is to live it. awakening is more a change in the way of experiencing the moment than a change in the way of understanding it, imo. if you experience in the awakened way, you can begin to understand. but understand first... mistake, that's deceit. For example, all this that everyone repeats here about I am God...seems total bullshit to me, May be I'm wrong but i think almost no one here has realized that. They have understood it from Leo's explanations. but they didn't realize it, they think that because they have understood it, they have really realized it. they are starting the house from the roof. You have to realize the things as if you had never heard anything about it, from a virgin mind, completely empty. Here the opposite is done. fill the mind with theory and then believe that you have realized it.

So, lets go through it. Number of Pictures 1 5 9 2 6 10 3 7 11 4 8 12 1: Identity with THAT (That=anything, any CONCEPT. Body-Mind. Ego. World. Whatever. n+1). Roger Thisdell stage 1: 2: Wiping/Process of Transcending the Identity with any self-concept (Body-Mind. Ego. World. God. Whatever. n+1) 3: I AM (identity with being, but nothing specific anymore. "Opaque" witness, not fully empty) Roger Thisdell Stage 2 4: Wiping/Transcending/Killing the BEING anything at all 5: There is still some Identity: I. But nothing specific at all, pretty empty. A pretty empty "Transparent" Witness. Can be quite nondual (One Mind/the whole visual field. One (but a not empty one), united with the nondual visual field. Many Psychedelic Experiences throw one here. Nondual, but not fully empty, Sense of transparent/pretty empty Self/Witness still well and alive. Roger Thisdell stage 3. 6: Wiping/Transcending/Killing the transparent Witness 7: One is No-Self. Nothing. Buuut: Identity with No-Self/Nothing, the perceiving or understanding of being Nothing. Still one arising/subtle identity/concept too much. A Portal to the Absolute. Awareness OF Emptiness. Awareness OF Being. Any Awarness OF is still not fully nondual. Even if Awareness OF Emptiness/Being/Infinite/whatever n+1 . Psychedelics can bring one here, if "one" gets already quite empty, but Individuality (very subtle/murky here) is still there. Roger Thisdells Stage 4: 8/9/10/11: Understanding and letting go even this last self-referential concept/thought/identity 12: Nothing. Pure Suchness. Infinite Consciousness so empty that there is not even a Watcher/Awarerer/Identity with No-Self. Final Enlightenment. Ultimate Reality itself. Only then, daily life is nondual, infinite, enlightened. And the bliss of ones True Being, NOTHINGNESS, flows freely. Really no separate self/individuality left. Only then one is really the whole Enchilada without any filters/lenses/localization of any separate self/individuality. The character keeps continuing doing its thing in ones True Self, Reality itself. The price of that: Any self-reflective awareness of being anything (separate) at all is transcended, and can be seen happening within oneself. Understood, and no longer believed, mostly just cut off (that Illusion again). And that is not even being the "No-Self Self" of Thisdells stage 4, or picture 7. To be fully everything in daily life (fully nondual) without any separation, one needs to be fully nothing at all. Totally empty. Any separate self, however subtle, fully gone. And the last remnants of Individuality or separate self can be very very subtle. Only that gets the permanent bliss and love flowing that has got its home in the Nondual True Self. "We are that reality. When you understand this, you see that you are nothing, and being nothing, you are everything. That is all. Kalu Rinpoche" Roger Thisdell Stage 5 And by the way, any just conceptual identity with anything (The THAT of I am THAT), That=anything, any CONCEPT. Body-Mind. Ego. World. Whatever. n+1), even with God/Reality/whatever, is picture 1 of the path in daily life. I AM THAT (That=God/Reality/whatever). Because it is normally not a nondual awakened state in daily life, but just some ideas taken away from a trip that got one to Nonduality. A hang-over of the trip, while being currently not at all in an awakened or nondual state. And hopefully it is at least this (a hang-over from a trip), and not just some pure conceptual trip without any change in states towards at least a bit awakening, and not just a pure head-trip. And actually a much worser starting place, because the lovely concept of being God blows up ones sense of self (THAT) tremendously. Neti Neti didn't get easier with making THAT bigger than it was before.... Pour encourager les autres.... Sorry Selling Water by the River

8 months of introspection and contemplation after full non-awakened understanding then it only took 3 trips and probably only 2-3 months of daily meditation. But I have tripped about 4 times total but I was already awake by the 4th trip. In those months I meditated like 10-12 hours every day. I discovered how corrupted human spirituality is with ancient dogma and discovered how much human spirituality lacks self-love. This is why I keep telling you guys, watch Leo's video on Self-Love and judge EVERY teaching on that principle. This includes every Spiritual Teacher's teaching including Leo, Jesus, Buddha, anything I or anybody posts on this forum etc. You guys waste your time arguing with Leo. The ONLY argument you should have with Leo is if anything he says is a violation of Self-Love. If it doesn't violate Self-Love, then SHUT YO GOT DAMN MOUTH. Why? Because a couple of things. 1. Leo is actually awake. 2. If you study his words carefully nothing he says actually violates the Spiritual Teachings of Others. He is just MORE DIRECT than them because they water it down so they can make money. He literally tells you this in his Solipsism video but if you REALLY contemplate what is being described you will notice he doesn't contradict them. 3. So if Leo is saying the SAME THING, LOOK for SAMENESS or ONENESS in his teachings. Don't look for differences. Looking for differences is what the ego does which creates conflict and distortion. Osho was awake, Jesus was awake, Sadhguru is awake, Rupert Spira is awake, Mooji is awake. So look at how their teachings compliment each other. While doing this...really contemplate what Self-Love is. All the people I just mentioned above have biases. Leo has biases, I have biases, Osho has biases, Jesus had biases, Sadhguru has biases, Spira and Mooji has biases. Their biases are going to corrupt their teachings. What is the bias? When they say ANYTHING is BAD. 4. You might say then why do I criticize the No Self awakening. The No Self awakening is a relative teaching that is designed for you to realize you are not the body. It serves that purpose. But NOTICE the No-Self awakening says...I AM NOT THIS. That is self-denial which means it is a corruption and delusion. Any denial of anything is corruption and delusion because Self-Love accepts everything!!! You will say but Self-Love would accept that delusion to which I will respond of course, but hatred, war, discrimination is all self-denial and it accepts that too so nice try. 5. The quality of any teaching denies NOTHING. Because....you are EVERYTHING so to deny any part of you is BULLSHIT!!! Now with that said, since many are too attached, a lot of times you have to engage in self-denial so you can BREAK your attachment. But after you break your attachment you will need to reattach yourself but now you reattach in a more expansive way. What I am talking about is addressed in this video. That is why after you say I am not this body and everything attached to it, the next awakening is all inclusive. You say instead I am not JUST this body....I am EVERYTHING!!! The everything is the SELF. The SELF is ALL-INCLUSIVE!!! To be all inclusive is to TAKE BACK YOUR AUTHORITY, YOUR ACCOUNTABILITY and realize you constructed EVERYTHING!!! When you claim something is JUST HAPPENING....that is bullshit!! YOU ARE HAPPENING!!! The HAPPENING IS YOU!!!! Saying it is just happening is like me taking a gun and shooting you and when the police say how did he die? I respond....a gunshot just happened....they will respond WHO did it? You be like....gunshot just happened.....that's bullshit!!! Notice that Spiritual People who are delusional feed you bullshit!!! Close your eyes...imagine you are a criminal. Imagine a victim walking and then the criminal shot him!!! Was all that just a happening? Or did YOU construct the entire thing in your mind and MAKE IT HAPPEN!!! Notice in your direct experience.... YOU MADE IT HAPPENING because everything in that scenario WAS YOU!!!! So I just proved to you in your direct experience that NO-Self awakening is BULLSHIT!!! They told you...reality is a DREAM!!! It works EXACTLY LIKE A DREAM!!! Your human imagination is equivalent to reality!!! It just appears like it isn't. All limitation is JUST an appearance and THIS is how you fool yourself. Wanna unfool yourself? Play around with your imagination using the teachings and you will understand how you are fooling yourself!!! All awakening is....is realizing how you are fooling yourself!! That's it!!! These two videos on Youtube are the most direct pointers on Youtube. Also in your direct experience try to disprove Oneness but actually try to disprove it not intellectually, use the dream example again. In your imagination try to create an actual division outside of you. What you will realize, is a true division has never been in your experience. If something was truly separated from you...you couldn't experience it. If you ever experience anything then by default it HAS TO BE YOU. So what are you? A Mind. You are a MIND that becomes aware of itself when it dreams. This mind can appear and disappear. The ONLY MYSTERY of GOD is how the hell it can dissappear and appear. God is aware it is doing it, but it doesn't know HOW it is doing it....because there is no mechanism. You can do that right now. Imagine a basketball. How are you doing it? Science doesn't know. Science can only describe the process, it doesn't know what causes it. That's because it can never be known. So it just happens.....but YOU are doing it you just don't know how, but you are AWARE that it is you and you are doing it. So it can be said that YOU just happen and are aware you are happening. But that happening...is just an appearance made of nothing.

Been recently given messages from those on the forums who are starting to understand what is being communicated so I'm glad. I was so ready to just throw in the towel but it's good to be reminded there are those who value truth and aren't here playing around. The passion I exude for this you cannot understand but I will give you an analogy. How would you feel if you were surrounded by poor people and you won the lottery and figured out how to help them all win the lottery? You constantly communicate to them how to do it and because of their arrogance they fight you on the methodology of winning it even though the truth is if you don't get the methodology exactly right you won't get the winning lottery ticket? Even worse you were able to be taught by those who won it previously and so you know all the traps or misunderstandings that a person being taught can fall in. Similar to how sometimes a teacher will pair a student who understands the lesson with a student who doesn't because they are closer to the students frame of reference and can simplify it often times in a way that is more easily understood than the teacher can. But you as the student who lacks understanding resist the guidance of the student who mastered the teacher's lesson. Hell you even reject the lesson of the teacher. Notice this....right now your baseline level IS NOT awake. YOU KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE. So why the hell are you arguing about the framing of something? What does that serve you? If you have a teacher who claims he is awakened and you have decided to listen...then why not take what is being given and investigate it to see if its true? Arguing from a non-awakened state with an awakened person on whether what they are saying is true is a waste of time. What you SHOULD be doing, which is what I did is ask questions and try to UNDERSTAND what they are saying and then seek to verify if it's true. If they are wrong you will DISCOVER that they are wrong!!! This is what REAL SCIENCE, REAL TRUTH seeking is!!! You investigate AFTER full understanding if what is being presented IS THE TRUTH!!! But no!!! Many of you sit down and philosophize, that is NOT TRUTH!!! That is just delusion and fantasy!!! You haven't verified anything!!! You haven't investigated anything!!! This is you. You talk about how you feel about something....and the awakened person sees the problem in PLAIN SIGHT....lol!!!! You deny the very issue you are trying to solve!!! You have no idea how funny it is to an awakened person to see you non-awakened people acting like this!!! This video is literally how you all look!!! ALL OF YOU!! It's why an awakened person only has to read what you write and they IMMEDIATELY KNOW if you are awake or not. Because it's obvious. Anyway....I'll just remember that some will come by who actually want truth and they will investigate and eventually break through and get to enjoy the gift of unlimited imagination of realizing that your human imagination is really the ABSOLUTE pretending to not be the ABSOLUTE and will thus make the ABSOLUTE their baseline realm of experience.