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For me, Before and after enlightenment taste of an apple do not change. However, life changes. After enlightenment, if mind on control, suffering is inevitable. İf mind under control, bliss is inevitable. Before enlightenment, I was just an ordinary human being, who seeks for only pleasure and believes the thoughts, therefore I.

Be conscious of the neurotic emphasis on need and ego defense mechanisms including distraction, self-judgement and even pride over progress. Find a balance and do not suppress your feelings, you don't need to express them either, feel them. Face the source, transcend and forgive. Notice the evolution and traps of past stages. Purple superstition, Red domination, Blue subjugation, Orange materialism, Green contrarianism. The endless pursuit of new technologies, academic studies, ideal relationships, hedonistic lifestyles, social dynamics, philosophical utopias, existential angsts, artistic statements, societal endeavors, individual entitlements, religious zealotness, sadism, masochism, pleasure, pain, conditional love, truth seeking, aesthetics, reward and punishment, judginess, strategy, hierarchies of needs, models, comfort, preference, bias, spiritual ego, superiorness, avoidance of suffering, separation, falsehood, lies. Contextualize psychedelic experiences: Spirits, cues, synchronicities, gods, mystical experiences. The unraveling of the ego through a visual representation of one's subconscious and expansion in awareness. The recognition of one's self-delusion, waking up to the experiential truth of one's motivations, neurotic actions, external projections, deluded exceptions, karma creations, foolish unconscious behavior, suppressed emotions, mental illness, physical illness, bad posture, muscles cramps, headaches, negative emotions, discomfort, lack of love, hiding the truth, suffocating addictions, distorted perception, "irrational" fears. Symmetry, yoga, non-duality, unity, merging, expansion, inclusion, prayer, meditation, love, truth, infinity. Dissolution of limitation, the ego's release of its distorted idea of self-control. The raw naked sensation of the vastness of existence in its unconditional manifestation. Freedom, samadhi, god. Stories, likes, motivations, ego defense mechanisms. Is this one? Maybe. When reality starts unraveling and you realize the magnitude of your own creation, how will you react? When you realize the source of personality and the self-protected creation of others, how will you react? When psychedelics transform your environment into living breathing entities, how will you react? When the barrier between real and hallucination breaks down, how will you reconcile that? When you're trapped in a time loop with amnesia, unaware its your own doing to process a lesson, face those fears and let go of all ideas of self, other, past and future, forgetting all context, how will you manage that? When you fall asleep and wake up hung over, in anhedonia, pain and shame, how will you manage that? When all energy leaves your body and you collapse, feeling guilt for being alive, how will you bear it? When every surface turns into a mirror and you turn transparent, facing an eternal void, how will you face it? When the rate of change increases exponentially and not only your perception starts distorting, but your own sense of self, of the perceiver being aware and interpreting it matches morphs away at the same pace, losing self-awareness and memory of context, then what? When time starts lagging, deja vu increasing, and the usual ear tingling distorts to sound like a jagged roaring chainsaw and then that reflects in how you feel and see reality vibrating covered in white noise, how will you handle that? When you look at a pine tree and remember the sensation you felt as a child, when it felt deeply mysterious and alien, uncertain and uneasy, dangerous and alluring, how will you integrate it? When you remember the first time you became self-aware or saw your own reflection, how will integrate it? When you go back in time to when you were a toddler in the midst of experiencing perception warp into objects and distinctions capable of being focused on for the first time, how will you integrate it? When your environment and all its surfaces turn a sea of liquid mercury waving in ripples, what will you do? When you remember your child self, how unhinged and free you were, how mysterious reality felt, how long the days were and how much detail there was, how in tune and aligned your feelings were with your body, how will that experience feel? When you tune into the eternal now, all that is, center of ripples, when everything around collapses and particle waves turn into an ocean of probabilities, and all lights dim out, then what? Don't you want to let go, surrender? Is it going too fast? Do you want to reconcile your drama before you release it? Is it uncomfortable to see through each question and motivation you come up with? Do you need excuses not to dissolve? Do you want to turn back, resist? Are you clinging onto your humanity, your creaturehood, your existence, difference, uniqueness, separateness, individuality, perception, limitation, sensation, story? Are you missing your life purpose, that distraction that makes you feel amazing about yourself? Would you prefer to meet some aliens, go scuba-diving, talk to the trees, create shadow clones, astro project, reimagine your reality, jump through a portal, visit machine elves, go to the garden of eden, become a cat, jump off a plane where there's no ground, meet a philosopher, traverse history, see the future, beam up onto the enterprise, use the force, dodge bullets, meet dead relatives or skip forward to technological singularity? Are you aware you can do all that and more and not god but your own ego is the only thing preventing you from doing so? Do you feel resentment towards it now? Oh wait, that's more ego. All you can do is forgive. Are you dissatisfied? Are you aware any of these desires itself is ego? Are you aware that beauty is ego? Are you aware god doesn't care about continuity, only you do? Are you aware that there's a part of you beyond all that funny business, one who takes care of reality on such a deep level it couldn't care less about those little things and that you are unaware of that part of you that keeps you grounded, the part so well hidden in your unconscious, that maintains your existence and prevents actual hell from manifesting, that lets you delude yourself into massive suffering but prevents it from being absolute? The part that upkeeps your sense of self, shapes your every experience, feeds you desires and experiences through your "unconscious"? The part you can thank for not becoming part of "I have no mouth and I must scream", from not having "The Thing" enter your reality. The part that designed each atom, molecule, cell, body, lifeform, psychological structure, psychic entity, in whose mind you're living rent free? The part beyond all absolutes responsible for all of them. The one shuffling you between different states of consciousness from relative to absolute, without you knowing how you do it as you merely navigate by intent unaware of what makes the navigation and experience itself so consistent and possible to begin with? The part that is not merely conscious of all of existence, but its most intricate mechanics in full scope of infinite density, that has every possible problem and solution worked out to begin with. The part that is so intelligent that there's no room for "it" to be intelligent, that contains unconditional love equally within itself having not even it be a trait its biased towards over non-existence and non-love and non-intelligence. Where Love, Intelligence, Truth, Existence simultaneously become all inclusive with their non-existent counterparts. Did you experience that, are you even aware of it or merely aware of it? More stories, more pointers, more questions, more wonders, makes you question to what degree you want to know over just being content living, but I'm you're not content suffering. But wouldn't you trap yourself in a bubble if you weren't suffering? Would it limit you if you were able to construct your reality and spent all time exploring your specific fantasies? To what degree are you addicted to suffering? If you were absolutely content in the present, would you go exploring? If you were God, Infinity would be your nature, everything in every superposition existing simultaneously as you, nothing to miss out on. But as a human, or story, or entity, you seek freedom and exploration but above that experience itself. And experience as you understand it predisposes time and change, transience. Time, if only in order to describe the change of one's state of consciousness, as we experience and grow in awareness and context, retroactively describing our own evolution, an ever morphing spatial ripple disguised as time. The act of observation itself creating the sensation of time. When you get addicted to your own experiential philosophical inquiry, materializing and sharing it through language. All context, ideas, stories, pointers. Getting caught up in bliss while pursuing understanding the nature of this. But its not enough, question it deeper and deeper, understanding predisposes duality. But there's more to break out of it. Words associate feelings and experiences but are not them. We can only wonder to what depth Leo became aware of God. There's always more, infinite depth of detail to any experience since all limits are self-imposed. There's nothing and infinity and all in-between containing and reflecting both. Now all there is afraid of is fear itself. But actually, not even that is a problem, avoidance is, fear is merely a sensation, a pointer, a reaction, instinct, behavior. Avoidance seems to be the core issue, so let's face that too, face the core of any discomfort to dissolve it, to release the resistance. Face the core of love to dissolve that? Maybe, since it means its not unconditional? But does the conditional remain as the inclusive part of the unconditional? What about unconditional fear? What about fear for the sake of fear? Raw sensation without suffering? Is exploring fear constrictive or expansive or a distraction from realizing its source? Either way, face what emotion points to and include it in yourself. I guess that's the problem, remaining in ignorance, but what about ignorance for its own sake, won't magic tricks lose their magic? What if ignorance can be included and explored for its own sake, what if ignorance is itself a sensation, something that obscures reality with that being its role, since reality by god is known beforehand, explaining the possibility of current experience. What if ignorance is an additive sensation and state of mind instead of a lack? Just Let go of ignorance, in order to see? That's so funny, way too simple! Hey, just let go of ignorance, its that easy lol. Like you're actively keeping up a mist around yourself to obscure your vision and focus you into your current experience but that's exactly it, that's how god does it. How the hell did I stumble on that? If I let go of ignorance or the need to know right now, I will literally remove all my suffering? I create a belief where I allow myself to let go on psychedelics and not otherwise and its my own doing, this is intense.

I may not be full of self love or anything, but I’m also nowhere close to being self hating. I have way too much hatred directed at everyone else and most of the world to have any leftover for myself since I’m not the one that did anything wrong. All I ever did was be myself and all it has gotten me is permanent virginity. But let’s say I magically wake up tomorrow with maximum self love and tons of happiness resulting from it. Then there won’t be nearly as much bliss in getting laid as there would have been had I gotten it when I really needed it. The whole point of doing anything is to fill a void. Food doesn’t taste good at all when you’re already full. There would be no point in building a fire if your house already had a good heating system, etc. I’ll leave you with this: Who do you think would get a better experience out of having a hot girlfriend; an ultra horny, basement dwelling NEET who hasn’t seen a woman in person for years, or a high status, fully self actualized alpha who can get all the girls he wants and has had plenty?

From your perspective it is. From my experience it is cool, but not that life changing after the dust has settled. I realized that the only thing to do is to pursue what I enjoy. I think most people, including myself until recently, believe that there is something we must do in this life. For people who pursue spirituality a lot of the times it comes across that we should become more loving or help others. It can be a variety of other things, but it is wrapped up in an idea that there is an objective purpose to existence. If I don't meditate x hours a week, believe x ideas, and live a certain way I am not awakened. People package awakening that it is a great thing that can happen. I think its value is highly overstated. The only real way my life has changed after pursuing awakening i that I am conscious on a deeper level of why I do things. I used to act unconsciously on desires without knowing any of the biases operating the steering wheel behind my life. Spirituality made me believe, and I think a lot of others too, that these biases are bad and should be removed. But, I have recently realized that thinking this way is just as subjective as the biases. So I have now adopted a lifestyle where I simply try to embody the purest form of my existence. I simply do what I enjoy and exist the way I enjoy. In fact, my life is, in many ways, similar to the way it was 4 years ago before I started philosophy/spirituality. The difference is I realize the absolute relativity of my beliefs and everyone elses, and I am making a conscious decision to experience the things I enjoy, rather than let them unconsciosuly control me. I do not think many people here can relate or understand what I am saying because they have not awakened to the fact that awakening is only relatively better than staying asleep. Most people pursue awakening because they think it will be genuinely better than many other things they can dedicate their time to. I think that many also believe that it would be a great thing for other people to pursue awakening too. Now that i see how this is as relative as any other value judgement, I have come to accept that there are many other things I enjoy more than experiencing the bliss and peace of no mind. Awakening has significantly reduced the suffering I experience in life, but now that the dust has settled, I realize that there are many other things I genuinely enjoy more than letting go and experiencing peace. It is not that I cannot return to that state to enjoy it also, but that I have many other things which I would rather do.

God is the Fountain of joy - Joy and Joy alone is God's Being. A state exists in which there is only Bliss, Beatitude, Supreme Felicity. At your level, joy has its opposite; you speak of the joys of heaven and the torments of hell. But where there is Eternal Love - Love in its own right cannot be expressed. It is entirely beyond such words as "what is or what is not?"

True, Chad Angel Gabriel was pointing to the eternal where you can be bliss. Thats the thing thats missing, intention. Its pointless if its being forced on people. I do think theres possibly something to praying even if not consciously engaged in it. Most people due to human bias and a evolutionary mismatch of ancient instincts in modern environments just seem to have bad thinking patterns and habits. Prayers and gratitude such as ''thank Lord for another day to live, thank Lord for my oatmeal and coffee I'm about to dive into'' can be a habitual practice that can have positive effects regardless of one's conscious engagement. Even if its half assed, you're training your brain to spot silver linings in a world that often feels like it's on fire. It's like you're hacking your own operating system. We don't need to understand every line of code to benefit from the update and our subconscious is doing the heavy lifting, rewiring neural pathways while we're busy doom-scrolling or netflixing. The shift on the subconscious it has may keep us slightly more on the positive end of the scale - thats probably what the studies are picking up on when they conclude positive benefits to prayer - something can also be said about rituals being relaxing. Its a bit like robotically brushing teeth, most aren't conscious when doing it but it has certain health benefits nonetheless.

In experience yes. But only one is being "there", only one is in a way real. You can't kill the darkness, but you could blow up the sun. That's because darkness has no reality of its own, it's merely the absence of something – which is in this case light. You can't fight darkness – but it simply disappears when you bring light. So: Don't focus on the suffering, focus on your true nature, which is eternal bliss.

That bliss is something one has to forget in order to experience oneself as an ego. What's real? The darkness at night or the sun?

I should’ve written self awareness in particular to be more clear. That bliss might be accessed in the absence of ego I guess ?

In the so-called material world there's constant stress for every living being, that's true. Also called survival of course. But with ever more awareness, there's Ananda – a sort of existential happiness/bliss. But it's not always easily accessible.

When you do sadhana, you are increasing the speed at which you digest your karma. Life starts happening quicker and the things you would normally change after 10 years you will change in one. The Negative is that you will go trough a lot a lust and it's acctually hard to pinpoint how to deal with it. There are techniques for sure, one example is to keep doing sadhana which stimulates your vishuddi, anja or sahasrara chakra. Then your lust doesn't just build up and get trapped and find expression in the ways you have known before but to experience distance between you and the body so that you are energetic, yet lighter and in restful awareness so that you don't feel you have to go into some lust to feel some moments of bliss. In reality this rarely goes perfectly, so some abstinence and struggle is needed as our society is largely built on exploiting your needs and pleasures.

Those are two ways for sure, dis identifying is also a way, dropping all Your conscious/unconscious beliefs, living in the NOW, Accepting all that is as it Is, learning how to Breath right, Sit right, Think right, Eat right, many ways to do it, getting Yourself to a place of natural Peace or Bliss, this gives You great Clarity, when Your looking outside of Yourself for Fulfilment, that makes You Blind I think...

In my experience, the best way to develop freedom from attachment is to find yourself experiencing something so fantastic, pleasurable, wonderful, and blissful that all of your desire for everything and the entire world of experience, consciousness, and form is quenched, if only for an instant. I think people will find this potentially counterintuitive in practice. My first taste of this possibility came entirely unplanned in the middle of a normal day and typical activities for myself. It seems like many people get the idea that reducing attachment means getting less of things they want by some forced monk-like behavior. To me, this is doomed to fail. You’ll end up repressing behaviors and your desire which does not reduce it or do away with it. It only hides desire and instead develops aversion which is just as rooted in attachment as any sort of desire is. We are attached to numerous things, feelings, people, and activities which has us wandering in samsara endlessly. This happens because we keep looking in this world for deep, fulfilling, and perfect satisfaction when this world is entirely incapable of providing that. With the right practice, the Mind can recognize that there is no solace to be found in this world. It helps for the Mind to see some of the highest levels of bliss that experience can offer though. Before this point, the Mind might think it is still missing out on something in the world of experience. It can then stop trying to pry perfection from what is imperfect. Then the Absolute can rest within itself. This is the liberation I’m seeking.

For each unit of freedom, bliss and love there will be a proportionally higher amount of intensity and time spent in suffering, we are in an evolving universe so this proportion will progress towards more and more suffering, so you can start at a 1 to 2 ratio and end at a 1 to a trillion rate of suffering, until you say fuck all proportion, all fairness, all selfness and say yes to all your greed, I want everything for free and for no repercussions and for there to be no negative consequences 100% of the time at 100% of intensity, seeing that this is not the case my own and your suffering will keep increasing to absolutely unfairly crazy levels, you might be thinking everything's okay now, you suffered your part to deserve your reward but that's not how it works. How it works is, either you have everything, all the time in every possible good way for the absolutely freeist and laziest way, whatever way you like or be stubborn and insist that you need to torture yourself and be egoless and get your "reward" which is progressively higher degrees of horrific torture until you develop a real ego so you can finally say fuck all and everything and be the absolute most selfish one, the ultimate selfishness that knows no limits because fuck you and all your torture and say yes to all your depravities with no shame as they come in their infinite forms. It's an abnormal kind of selfishness so that doesn't mean just to be evil but it will certainly look very scary from the outside.Sorry.

This is the nature of all sensory and intellectual pleasures which are not of a permanent nature due to the factors of saturation or impermanence. You have to keep chasing such fleeting pleasures in the hope of eternal happiness which is but a mirage or illusion. However joy and bliss of a permanent nature and greater intensity than sensory pleasures, is within ourselves and accessible if one makes the proper efforts for it. Being in present moment awareness or mindfulness is one such way forward. Present moment awareness or mindfulness however requires a lot of intelligent practice as it does not come easily due to the incessant thinking and emoting of the mind. It would be great if you are in the midst of nature or in the beach as the high prana/chi levels enables better present moment awareness. Being in present moment awareness is not contradictory to enjoyment of work. In fact, if you enjoy your work projects it automatically ensures awareness. This saying by Barry Long will shed light on the subject..

I think it's a question of desire. Enlightenment is a total commitment. Whenever I choose to focus on that place of inner stillness inside as much as I can for extended periods of time, like months, I begin to merge with God, little by little. Sometimes I get an enlightenment experience every few days, if I meditate all day all night. Sometimes I wake up in bliss, and I can carry it with me throughout the day, at least a bit. My dreams become celestial as well, even more amazing than what I experience on psychedelics, but psychedelics have a certain tension to it, at least for me, but when I get heavenly dreams, they are completely effortless and have a natural feel if that makes sense. So my experience tells me that if I commit myself fully to this practice, I get closer and closer to God. It is The Way. If I drop this total commitment, all my bliss and enlightenment experiences go away. It's my current understanding that we cannot serve two masters, we have to either choose God completely, or this world, this body and this mind. To get enlightened, this mind has to be returned to God, whose memory in us is the unshakable inner peace we can connect to. I don't think psychedelics can do it for you, not sure why. It would be the easiest path, just take them and tadaa, you're there. But it doesn't feel like it works that way, no matter how often you do it. It just show's you what's ahead, but to go there, you have to completely surrender to God. I think to really go for it, we have to be certain that nothing here satisfies us, we don't want anything from the world anymore, we're tired of it and we finally want to come back to our true home in Heaven, the place of Infinite Love. Interestingly, I learned, to a pretty high degree of mastery, how to manifest what I want in life. Bashar and Abraham and CwG teach this and it does work. It's just finding what you really really want, seeing it day and night, being obsessed by that vision, even acting it out to really tune yourself to that vibration, and then you get it, but it has to have a lot of momentum behind it. But whenever I get something, it's pretty empty and doesn't satisfy for long, even a soulmate or a lot of money. Compared to the Love of God, everything here is just breadcrumbs. Anyway.. That's my present understanding, how do you guys see it?

A great question. Im similar to you. I used to think all I wanted was to be a monk and just bliss out but now I want to bring Realization to the world and as God create my own art peice with my life. I love to share wisdom, connect with Women and be a superior lover, travel, nail my habits down, learn and understand, and just kick ass in all areas of life. I deeply enjoy being God IN the world IN the dream and Mastering life itself. I do need my time in nature though for sure to rest and just be

I have an itch I need to scratch. This very normal, every day, relentless, humdrum, experience of mine is actually really bizzare and extraordinary, and there "I" am in the middle of it. WTAF? And then I have some bald guy on YouTube telling me "yes yes your experience is extraordinary yes". How can I not be hooked on working it all out. I've already had the dissolving bit that was the normal part. Bliss would just be the cherry on top.

Also, nobody has solved this problem, when they do, I (infinity) will have: I stand in front of you and shout in your face. How do you maintain bliss? The best I have is detachment, which seems like a poor answer for an infinite whole. I've toyed with love for anger, but that never works because anger is a detaching force.

Because life is many things to me, not just bliss. Though a once-a-month bliss experience would be nice to have and should be coded into the human experience naturally without needing to go anywhere, take, or buy anything,. What are my most common states: Observation Frustration Analysis Apathy Suffering Sentiment Synchronicity Sadness Happiness Peace Cyclic Pattern Institution Calm An alternate question: What stops you from dissolving into the emotionless void? Infinite sorrow, or infinite insert emotion here: X

I stayed on no mind level,psychadelics showed me that if i go further beyond that state ill transcend human experience,so first i want to achieve things in life, dreaming this humans ups and downs before i enter that bliss you talking about in old age,because there wont be enjoyment of the physical anymore.

More that endless game seems like Evolution. We must keep ourselves open minded! I think more than time needs an intention. Your karma is written in the structure of reality. So you need a strong intention to dissolve it. Karma is saved from reincarnation to reincarnation. When you dissolve it, reincarnation stops, you merge with the Infinite and enjoy pure Death-Ecstatic Bliss. Then when all memories of God are dissolved, then the next Creation begins. People don´t get how deep this goes! And that there is work to do right now if we want to advance. Let´s not let in the hands of any imaginary God what is really in our hands. We are Dreaming this UP.

Oh God, the creator of everything within you, i find bliss without you, life is miserable within you, i find fulfillment and contentment for you're the only one

Thoughts. It is going on it's own without any input from you. That's an illusion. I said nothing about not having feelings of happiness on a daily basis. They are still short lived when they arise even if they are frequent. Everything is in motion. So are thoughts. Constant negative thoughts in motion can bring upon depression if kept alive and believed in. The bliss being more life empowering than depression that you talk about here is still just a belief, a human belief. A thought. The very mere thought that happiness is good and sadness is bad is the very thing that creates more sadness because the thought seeks for more happiness because it thinks it's a better sensation. If all these sensations were to be left alone and not come with them judgements of good or bad, right or wrong and just move through the body on it's own; there wouldn't be an imbalance where depression arises. Each time one experiences happiness, UT tries to hold on to that feeling and now a default mode gas been created where the sadness gets deeper and gets stuck in the body as unwelcom You guys keep interpreting what was said with your own train of thought processes and not seeing it for what it is. It's a natural occurrence and cannot be helped, because of your constructs so I understand. Nothing in my comment said anything about acceptance. There's nothing to accept and no one doing any accepting. Those are just thoughts arising and being claimed to be accepting something when the truth of the matter is that's another illusion. There's no free will and choice but only within the dream of separation.

@Keryo Koffa you want a tip, learn Angamardana from isha-sadhguru and try doing it in nature. Gets you in literal Infinity Bliss, is literally heaven. Best thing I´ve learned ever. That is a very good question. What prevents me is the karmic software Im attached to. Sadhana îs the way to dismantle all entanglement of memory until effectively, you dissolve into pure bliss. As long as the focus is straight, we will get there in this lifetime.