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@Holykael Full awakening means intentional actual suicide, but it could also mean choosing to continue living. Full awakening means you realize it doesnt matter what you choose.

Would you consider it a big deal once the children/teens you’ve told to wait commit suicide? Perhaps it doesn’t look like a big deal to you. But if you were struggling with gender dysphoria, you’d probably feel differently.

I would like to discuss my least favorite thing about the criminal justice system. It seems ludicrously unfair. It has to do with labels like 'felon' or 'sex offender.' When a person is found guilty of a crime they might have these labels put on them. Sometimes a person is later found innocent and their criminal record may be expunged. However, the label cannot be removed causing innocent people to live the rest of their lives labeled a felon or a sex offender. Being registered like this makes it hard to get a job because although you are innocent the label will always implicate you. To me it seems like a reason to commit suicide if I have to live the rest of my life as if I am a felon or a sex offender and people will constantly treat me harshly throughout the rest of my life for something I never did. I bring this up because my friend is a registered sex offender. He claims it was a case of mistaken identity, but he had to go to jail anyway. I find it unfair that a person has to carry the label 'sex offender' forever even in cases of mistaken identity because you look similar to someone who did commit the crime. Furthermore, anger damns the innocent. Although the natural reaction to a false rape accusation might be to get angry and defensive, the appearance of being belligerent will make people think you are guilty anyway. Being calm is seen as a sign of innocence even though the opposite is often true. Even professionals mix this up. The solution seems obvious to me. Innocent people who have their records expunged should also have the label expunged. Why is this simple fix so difficult? What am I missing? Is there something I don't understand? This just seems completely stupid that our society treats innocent people like trash and not giving them a chance to defend themselves. Even if someone was guilty in the past, maybe they could change through rehabilitation. If someone carries a label like that forever, then that could easily serve to mess them up even more leading to recitivism. I profoundly disagree with this permanent punishment. Jail or prison is one thing, but to live the rest of your life like this is asinine. I would rather die than carry a label like these for the rest of my life.

I see. many hot girls have also been abused physically and emotionally. Some have even almost been killed. This hot pornstar whose work I used to watch was severely traumatized by her ex who eventually was sent to prison and became suicidal: Another attractive pornstar named August Ames, committed suicide at the age of only 23 years old: Former Supergirl actress, Melissa Benoist, did a live instagram vid years ago about how she was a victim of domestic violence: There of course been so many other attractive women in the sex work industry and showbiz industry who have been sexually assaulted or raped or traumatized in some way. Harvey Weinstein and a lot of other high status guys in the entertainment industry have hurt a lot of women they worked with in horrific ways.

This is true. I’d like to see a comment on his recent outbursts actually. I feel ambiguous about the comments when he has been angry with the trolls. But, I also think he has dealt really well. I know I’d be upset if people constantly accused me of being a cult leader, of encouraging suicide of my followers, and all the other things people throw at him. I know that it’s not mentally healthy long term to just act like you aren’t upset or pissed with people, when you actually are. It could be the healthiest thing for him to actually be authentic in those moments. I think he is just going to be himself, authentic etc. Sometimes you just got to tell assholes they need to fuck off. Being a spiritual teacher or life coach doesn’t mean you need to be a doormat, or let people walk over you all the time. I’ve only ever had respectful interactions with Leo, but I also don’t actively troll, gaslight, and accuse him of nasty things. I may not agree with him… but just like in your day to day life… if someone was constantly harassing you…. You’d probably tell them to fuck off. Also, a lot of you guys have that exact double standard. You’ve never seen other spiritual leaders in a room full of people accusing him of nasty shit, telling him to stop making his work and teachings, telling him he is evil, deluded, wrong, Acting with ill intent, etc… imagine any other person not even spiritual teacher having that happen over and over and over again… he is a human and will get fucking upset. There was a guy here a couple weeks back, going on and on about Leo’s “recent out bursts”… who then had a far worse outburst speaking to me in a private message… so, you know we need to be able to hold ourselves to a higher standard as well if we want Leo to do so. I will continue to let myself observe. I don’t really think it’s a big deal.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/article-abstract/2779429#247885868 "3,559 transgender people 42% reduction in the odds of experiencing past-month psychological distress, a 35% reduction in the odds of past-year tobacco smoking, and a 44% reduction in the odds of past-year suicidal ideation." That's suicidal ideation, not suicide. And placebo effect is normally 20-50%, which is right in line with their 44%, they didn't test a placebo, the study is bullshit in my opinion, give one group a miracle sugar pill, this is research 101.

The official treatment for gender dysphoria is social and/or medical transitioning. And it’s the official treatment because it’s highly effective. What you’re saying is to ignore medical experts and do less effective forms of intervention… which could lead to the kid committing suicide. Would you rather the child commit suicide or would you rather them receive the care that they need?

Many people criticize Leo for his harsh style and see it as ego. I know that he is coming from a good heart I wanted to point out several things. 1. You are in Leo's house. Firstly see this forum as a house that Leo is host of. He built that place from scratch. And he invites you to come inside and eat food for free (food = insights). He does not have ads on the website, he does not have ads on YouTube. He gives huge amount of time to interact with users here for free. No other teacher provides this amount of feedback and interaction. And people come into this house and start accusing him of all the bad stuff. Of being a cult leader, of endorsing suicide. Imagine coming into someone house after host invited you for free dinner and you start rambling how his food is unhealthy and delivery of that food is egocentric and all those accusations. You are a guest here. Be more grateful for what you have chance to be part of. At some point the host has the right to become harsh towards his guests if they start to vandalize his house and accuse him. Leo is in his house and has the right to speak how he wants to when others vandalize his house (corrupt his teachings). 2. Tough Love is often Real Love. Leo is intelligent. That you have to give to him. If Leo really had bad intentions with all his knowledge of human psychology he would actually become much more lovey-dovey to manipulate people on the forum. That is something many people do, they have this loving persona because it is easily accepted and marketable. Leo could easily do that. But he cares more about you getting to the truth even at the cost of his image. Lovey dovey Love is often manipulation and image games, and tough harsh words are often True Love. 3. He gives example of being resilient to other's bullshitting. I asked myself a question: "wait, if Leo writes in that seemingly arrogant way to others it will create such culture on the forum because other will copy that style, isn't Leo aware of that?". And then I thought wait, that is exactly what Leo's message is. You have to own 100% your own sovereignty in this work. In daily lives we deal with so much bullshit from families, job and society. We are constantly brought down to unimportant stuff. Leo really give you a great example of how you have to develop some degree of healthy arrogance to just not let bullshit affect you. You do not even process it, it just bounces of off you. Because there is so much bullshit daily that you can't process and emphasize with it all. 4. Leo is your imagination. Your test of Love. This one is more abstract but Leo's core message is that actually you are the only thing in existence. Consider a possibility that Leo is carefully crafted to challenge all your ideas. First he talks about Love, and then he acts in a way that is hard for you to love. How perfect...how coincidental... You have instant opportunity to train your love, to see higher wisdom in what he does, to challenge your ideas of what teacher should behave like. Leo is your trickery mind at play. When he talks about Love, do not expect him to be loving. The real lesson is for you to love him and his outrageous words and all other humans. 5. So what? Why do we really care that much on what happens here? So what if Leo's style in worst case scenario make this forum toxic and members will leave? The message is out there, the progress has been made, the step towards psychedelic revolution has been provided. Even if it all would fall apart, still there are many great sages that will come out from this forum into the world spreading consciousness. All is well. Chill out and give others a break and that includes giving even @Leo Gura the break.

All Adeptus Psychonatica content is banned on this forum forever. Anyone posting it will be politely warned, and then banned. Anyone accusing me of teaching suicide or running a cult will be immediately banned. You have no idea what real abuse is. Or what a cult is. If I was here to abuse you, or to run a cult, you don't want to know what I'd do to you. I have never taught suicide. And to even suggest otherwise is the highest act of shamelessness. I am done with these games. All my compassion for you ends when you try to corrupt my teachings.

During my recent ego death i was looking at my heart beating, consciousness was showing me that i have to stop/pierce my heart in order to go further. It was a very scary and intense moment, first time i got scared and didn't do it. But then after 1-2minutes i realized i cannot die, and even if i die so be it... So again i closed my eyes and consciousness showed me again my heart beating inside my body and i pierced through it with my consciousness. After that i experienced ego death and reality was deconstructed and i was a form of god that was within me, i was vibration itself vibrating in the void. I gained many insights specially on Death/suicide Who are others/souls What happends after deaths How god dreams up realities Why we are here But the most important insight, is that you if you really truely want to leave this dream you can do it consciously or unconsciously. After gaining all the insights and returning to my physical visual pov, my hands and my whole body was vibrating in pureness and for some reason at that moment i grabbed my phone and there was a clip playing of yoganandas mahasamadhi , at that moment i couldnt control my body or hands it's like god wanted me to see this video. While watching this video below , thought got sent to me and god said to me: You just killed yourself right when this part of the clip was playing 6:36 to 6:47 which was a miracle by itself. When i pierced my heart i was also shown that the reality i was in and died got shoved away and i was still here, because i chose to be here. Because after being that vibration/god in the void i realized that this is heaven and i didn't want to be alone as god because there was no fun. When you die or kill yourself, it doesn't actually happen... Because you're god nothing can kill you, if you shoot yourself the gun didnt actually go off but in another reality it actually die but you will never experience that. On a higher consciousness field that we can't see, it's all god around you. Can you imagine consciousness killing consciousness on a higher level? It doesn't happen, god is so infinitelly intelligent that there are safety mechanism for everything and you're being taken care of at all times and the balance of stability/life/the other is being kept to almost a perfection always. Also i got an insight about the video below from god, my life is pre recorded like a movie just like in this video.

All your ideas of mental illness are flying out the window when you experience God. And, no, I’m not talking about suicide. Fin.

Obviously. But why would anyone expect to predict such a thing? This is why I cannot predict which of you is ready for my teachings. I cannot tell who of you is on the brink of suicide vs who is gonna wake up tomorrow. And I don't bother to care. You are at whatever level you are and only you can decide if a teaching is suitable for you. I can't help a person who isn't ready, just like I can't tell you which food you will like.

If you guys wanna talk about suicide and teachings, the standard scientific view of being a conglomerate of mass and energy in a completely dumb universe almost made me kill myself, and in the process, I did great harm to my family and relationships. That's spread out far and wide, without any love or care. It took me years of epistemology and psychedelics to finally break through my limited physicalist view. And that's the mainstream view. When I did that, I came across Actualized.org and Leo never sounded far out or incompassionate, it is just that most people are simply so far from the most basic spiritual realizations and those beyond that, that you sound arrogant when you say that they have no idea what they're talking about. I tell you that they don't. I have had trips that had me disgusted with myself. I couldn't stop crying and seeing how foolish and nearsighted I was all my life. And I'm just beginning my work. I still have plenty of experiences ahead of me. It is challenging work that puts everything you take as truth as an illusion. That's the point of it. It requires looking to the bottom of the precipice of life and leaning forward as hard as you can without falling. Only this will bring you light. As a good Brazilian, I shall share a free translation of mine of a piece of the incredible book "The Devil to Pay in the Backlands" (Grande Sertão Veredas, in the original title), by Guimarães Rosa. That's a poetic description of the truth-seeking work that many people took in life and how difficult it is to do it. Hope you guys enjoy it: The flow of life wraps everything up, Life is like that: it heats up and cools down, it tightens and then loosens, it calms down and then relaxes. What it wants from us is courage. What God wants is to see us learning to be capable of being too happy, in the midst of joy, and even more joyful in the midst of sadness! Life invents! We begin things, not knowing why, and from then on loses the power to continue because life is everyone's collective effort, by everyone, stirred and tempered. The most important and beautiful thing in the world is this: that people are not always the same, they are not yet finished, but that they are always changing. They tune or go out of tune. Greater truth. Living is very dangerous; no it isn't. I don't even know how to explain these things. One feeling is that of the one that let himself feel, but another is of the feeler.*" *(The way that Portuguese verbs conjugate make this last sentence very hard to explain, but it portrays passive observation of feelings versus active search for an emotion/sensation)

It's a complex issue. What happens is rather than thinking for one's self, they place all they have into their guru - and then when their guru "let's them down" they blame the guru - when in truth, they should never have given their mind away to another human being. I don't care who it is - the President of the United States or Elvis Presley. They are human and that makes them limited. The suicide thing is a personal decision...no one can be blamed for someone taking their own life. That is a decision they made. Unless it's a case where someone told them to do it because it would bring them to a certain place for.example, or give them something they don’t already have, and they were so brainwashed that they believed them. That would be a cult. That's not what the case is here. Here we stress free thought, and embrace the human condition.

How many Buddhist’s have committed suicide? Not to mention the one who set himself on fire! People unfortunately kill themselves. I don’t believe you can blame Leo?

I can see how some of the things would be conducive to suicide for an already unstable person, it's terrible that happens and I think everyone here wants to try to prevent it in the future. Not to be a smart ass but lookup Christian Pastor suicides, happens all the time man. https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/why-pastors-are-committing-suicide/ Why Pastors Are Committing Suicide Nov 23, 2016 — Sarah Zylstra reports on a rising epidemic among pastors of loneliness, depression, mental illness, and even suicide.

@Jodistrict I've never said Ayahuasca cannot heal physical illnesses. I've said that it's inappropriate to use it simply for that cause. It's like using stacks of steroids to fix libido issues when you could just use doctor-prescribed TRT or viagra. You don't need a volcano to fix your heating issues. You don't need a lake to get a drink of water when you have a fountain or sink nearby. If you need physical healing, there are other non-psychedelic ways of fixing them. Using a consciousness sledgehammer to fix your issues has very severe consequences and unintended impacts on human lives. For example, what if the person enters into states of consciousness so profound, unintended, and cause irrefutable harm to themselves? What if that person brewed up deep depression and committed suicide? I've seen enough people on Reddit that have used the Ayahuasca brew and had unintended and significant consequences to their physical well-being and relationships. They will never go to a ceremony or trust another Shaman again. You're playing a very serious game here. The only person here who is spreading misinformation is you, no? Wouldn't you be so loving to tell a person that Ayahuasca could potentially put them in these states and could lead to danger? You're missing a very plain point, which shows you don't even take Ayahuasca seriously as much as you do the Indigenous people. @Leo Gura I do see how I could be projecting how Ayahuasca affects me, I will be more careful next time. It's very unfortunate because it's very profound and deep. It has allowed me to experience Infinite Daemonic Love; I've also figured out how ghosts are infinitely looping itself; I've also imagined ghosts in other forms; I've also realized how haunting is love, as well as spiritual possessions. I've also imagined all of paranormal/supernatural activities; i've also created layers of psychic abilities based on these realizations. I also can put my consciousness in more pure states of consciousness. Too bad I cannot be sharing half of this stuff.

think of a middle ages peasant going about their life. they live a brutal existence, but most of them don’t commit suicide. they instead create more humans who live in a slightly less brutal world. fast forward today, humans still deal with overwhelming amounts of suffering but most people don’t kill themselves and for the most part people who try to and fail are glad they failed. and I thought life was the problem. Lmao, fuck no. life is beautiful.

@The Mystical Man If thousands of people lives are changed for the better because of Leo's teachings and 2 people commit suicide, should he take all his videos down?

@Leo Gura The "complete run" applies to everything since your life is the only thing that exists. You view politics as the domain of the relative because you still think dying today is worse than dying 30 years later. It all comes back to the "all paths are the same" theory. Although it's not a theory, it's the absolute truth. I know it's hard to see how every curse turns into a blessing and how every blessing turns into a curse. Dying today is no different than dying 30 years later when it comes to pleasure-pain. It's all the same really. Please try contemplating dying today vs dying when you're 85. What's the difference? Contemplate suicide vs dying of old age. Which is more painful really?

Saying that someone suicided specifically because of spiritual work is a bold claim. When I was suicidal, I wanted to kill myself because of nihilism, but when I got older and integrated some matters more properly, I saw the amount of trauma and other matters that were involved in that ideation, that were condensed behind a "Nothing matters, etc.". The reason for that person's suicide is the reason that took him to start spiritual work. The spiritual work was not responsible for it, this work is challenging but it is healing. It doesn't make you want to die, it gives you the tool for you to finally live. That being said, to anyone reading this, if you're depressed or have PTSD, be aware that psychedelics are extremely dangerous to people with those conditions and should not be taken by them.

@The Mystical Man People have commited suicide after break ups. Should we ban and cancel human relationships from now on?

This is true. Like, ideally you aren’t just watching Leo all day. If all you do is listen to Leo, you are being a moron. If you think Leo is better than you, you are a moron. If you think Leo is God or calling himself God and not you, you are a moron. If you think Leo wants you to commit suicide, you are a moron. Or, at least being a moron in that way. You should be so in love with life that you want to learn from all the great teachers. Should want to honour your life. Don’t just sit around watching Actualized.org for 7 years, not socializing or taking action to improve your life then blame Leo because YOU were lazy. My thing is, I love learning. I read books, watch lectures, study ideas, philosophy, self help, etc…. I love the whole self help field and and becoming a philosopher. Each teacher has their own style. I like Leo, and I like the forum. I don’t think Leo is like, my friend or something. He doesn’t hold hands, and give you a hug. But, I think he loves the God in me. That I know.

The book list is actually the best thing about Actualized. That way you can learn about other teachers, and then you don't really need Gura anymore. That's how I "escaped" Gura. I know that not everyone will have the same experience with Actualized, but one suicide is one suicide too many, and there are already two or three suicides -- that we know of.

Leo’s view on suicide in 10 minutes Leo talking about mastering life