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Texts of that nature are not needed at all when it comes to self-transformation, depends on how you use them though. With enlightenment, no, because it is you and direct, best you can do is contemplate.

Math can predict what kind of person you are by fusing networking theory with sociology: The metadata that big tech companies can get from you allows them to accurately predict your iq, personality type, sexual orientation, and many other things including your likeliness to be a drug addict or pregnant. This has implications for managing people on a large scale politically or psychologically as well as a consumer with targeted advertisements. This isn't really new information to most of you here though, as it's mathematically likely that you're already aware of all this. I gave chat gpt a list of my youtube subscriptions and then asked it questions about my preferences and the views I likely held on various issues. It was quite accurate most of the time... Based on your YouTube subscription list, here are some inferences that can be made about you: Interest in Science and Mathematics: Subscriptions to channels like 3Blue1Brown, Bozeman Science, Domain of Science, and Numberphile suggest a strong interest in science, particularly in mathematics and its applications. Personal Development and Self-Improvement: You seem to be invested in personal growth and self-improvement, as indicated by subscriptions to Actualized.org, Abraham-Hicks Publications, Adyashanti, August Bradley - Life Design, Brian Johnson, and Sadhguru. Mental and Physical Health: Channels such as Dr. Alex Heyne - Acupuncture and Chinese Medicine, Gravity Transformation - Fat Loss Experts, and StrongFirst imply a focus on both mental and physical well-being. Programming and Technology: With subscriptions to channels like CS Dojo, Colt Steele, Corey Schafer, and Tech With Tim, you appear to have an interest in coding, software development, and technology trends. Psychology and Mindfulness: Interest in psychology, mental health, and mindfulness is evident from channels such as HealthyGamerGG, Mindful Mindfool, Psychology with Dr. Ana, and This Jungian Life. Entrepreneurship and Business: Channels such as ColdFusion, Notion, and Wendover Productions indicate an interest in business, entrepreneurship, and productivity tools and methods. Philosophy and Spirituality: Subscriptions to channels like Einzelgänger, ModernHealthMonk, Om Swami, and The Diamond Net suggest a reflective and philosophical approach to life, possibly exploring different spiritual traditions. Fitness and Outdoor Lifestyle: With channels like Global Triathlon Network, Mark Wildman, and The Run Experience, there's a clear interest in fitness, possibly with a specific inclination towards running and triathlon. Educational Content and Learning: The presence of educational and informational content such as Biographics, Ted-Ed, and Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell suggests that you are a lifelong learner with a curiosity about a wide range of topics. Creative and Artistic Interests: Subscriptions to channels like M O S T L Y strings and Trance Classics hint at an appreciation for music and possibly other forms of art. Tech and Gadget Reviews: Following Marques Brownlee and TechLead indicates you are keeping up with tech reviews and industry leaders' insights. Interest in Politics or Social Commentary: Channels like Vaush and friendlyjordies may point towards an engagement with political discourse and social commentary. Hobby and DIY Projects: Kris Harbour Natural Building and Stuff Made Here show a liking for do-it-yourself projects, perhaps as a hobby or a practical interest. Investment and Cryptocurrency: DataDash subscription suggests you might have an interest in financial markets, investment strategies, or cryptocurrency.

I posed this a while ago and someone may see this and find this useful. I continued with my practices and by God is it incredible, all of the previous health benefits remain and maybe I am sleeping and eating even less but something much deeper is happening, I am finding that I am becoming more and more empty and as I become more empty, I am becoming more joyful and filling up with love. All I am doing is Sadhguru's yoga but I have done it so fucking religiously for years while continuing with Leo's work, Ralston's work etc... Man this shit is insane, I could never have imagined this, I have gone from the post pathetic emotional states to so much joy and peace. The word joy is not strong enough and it lasts all fucking day! I don't about these seratonin and dopamine channels and how they need to be reset... doesn't matter to me anyways because this shit is incredible. Again, I don't equate any of this with awakening but by God does kriya yoga make your life vibrant, I feel incredible! So if anyone is still considering doing kriya yoga, just do it man, but real transformation is going to take 1000s of hours of practice and just sheer fucking intensity. I was also doing very serious contemplation and tripping from time to time on the side so it was a holistic development but it is clear to me that the kriya yoga was the key transforming agent. It just makes life worth living, sharp senses, joy, peace, less shitting, sleeping, fucking, eating and so on. Brain is much sharper and all of your other work is enhanced!

I guess you would call Carton Wolf state C and normal human state N. Then you'd have an transformation function called H (for high) and apply it C=H(N). This sort of shenanigans is why the universe is not "made of maths". It only ever maps patterns, it's never the thing itself.

What if seeing the apple and then the elephant is the transformation.

@HMD @UnbornTao @LastThursday @AerisVahnEphelia Thanks for your insights, guys. Did you understand what maths was about (i.e. a language, a symbolic representation of transformation etc) when you were a kid? Back then, how did you explain to yourself what it was about?

@HMD Perhaps you heard Leo mentioning in his blog once how he became a cartoon wolf. In that post, he claimed he was actually being that cartoon wolf, not just imagining what it would be like to be one. When I read that, I immediately recognised the kind of shift in consciousness he was pointing to. He meant literally becoming fragments of consciousness other than the physical body which he normally identifies himself with and feeling through their prism. From my perspective, I have experienced what it is like to become and be a consciousness of a comet, a rock forming in a cave, electricity, radiation, fog, seasons and various natural phenomena, a mitochondrion in a living cell, etc. For lack of a better word, becoming these phenomena, being them and feeling them as if from the inside would be selective identification. It's like you're travelling in yourself, assuming different positions within yourself. At first, I didn't know how to make sense of those experiences. They are very weird and unlike anything that my human mind ever knew. Now I can have them at will and often do so because it's fun and refreshing. So it looks like we're talking about a transformation of sorts. And maths is good at describing transformation. So I wonder if there could be a pattern of changing state in that specific way that could be communicated mathematically, with minimum distortion.

I'd say maths is a language like any other. The difference is that its purpose is to reduce ambiguity and to be self-consistent. It is also largely about transformation. One "sentence" in the language of maths gets transformed into other "sentences", using a precise and self-consistent number of steps. That way you can "prove" things. It's also about the essence of capturing patterns in the world, by mapping symbols and operations onto those patterns and also their relationships. English language is about conveying information in generality, so has much wider scope.

There is something out there in the wild, modern folks call it a girlfriend. Shutting off the news helps. You don’t need to listen to the news to be successful in business. History has chosen jews to suffer more than average Americans/Europeans, it is what it is. It will get better one day, to the point where no jew will suffer as terribly as they have, all of society is built on a mountain of bodies so that you can live normally and more peacefully. Through individual transformation, peace agreements and Intermingling with Europeans/Americans and maybe some asians, the world will stop hating jews. However slow, it will happen. Once the most conservative people are like today’s liberals. On a personal, more theoretical note, I can’t help but think middle eastern religions and culture make people more prone to aggressive behavior. It’s like there’s a side effect to each religion, islam and judaism with war and terrorism, and christianity with stupidity. Middle easterners will have to (again) mix with the rest of the world, especially with the west, but they will have to bend to western values which includes dropping the whole women are less thing, that has to go first.

I've tried both. The method of refining and cultivating subtle energies is definately legit. Intersting thing i found is that if self-inquiry is done properly. It leads to the same energetic transformation that you got get from energy work. So it's the same thing tackled from two different ends. I like both methods.

they shed their skin which is/was seen as a symbol for transformation

Sorry, I meant neither has changed. Hopefully it's clearer now that I edited it. It is fascinating, although how realistic is it in the end? Would it be feasible in a century or so? Cultural transformation requires individual transformation. This requires personal responsibility, even if assisted by others. Who decides which direction to move towards? People may not want to follow the same path and goals as everyone else. For example, why hasn't any culture throughout history been based on honesty and truth?

@Inliytened1 @OBEler (unintentionally tagged Inliytened1 twice in this and not sure how to undo it) Well, the bible is a heavily veiled book with it's own coded language. The Trinity is not in the Bible, as are many other things Christians believe to be, like the identity of the serpent in the Garden. The first thing to note is that the Bible deals with the Mind! All characters are devices to illustrate lessons about how existence/mind/consciousness works. It might take some effort on my part to build a case for it given the widespread confusion about the Bible. Maybe I should make a separate post for it, but essentially the Bible is always talking about the 'I Am'. When Moses asks, who are you, God replies, 'I Am that I Am'. Eve is made from Adam's own Rib as he was made to sleep by God, as others are made of us in this dream of life. Jesus says 'I and my Father are One', meaning he identifies as his awareness. 'Hear me, oh Israel, the Lord your God is One!' Only one consciousness. Then there's the whole cross symbolism of how consciousness is now crucified to this human form. Christ = Consciousness, Cross = Your Body, it has the same shape. Christ is Crucified on Golgotha, or 'The Place of the Skull ', signifying Christ is within your skull, and that is the same tomb from which he will emerge in 3 days (3 being the number of completion of a process in the Bible). Basically, it describes the path of awakening. Many stories, such as the Virgin Birth, Jacob conquering Jericho, all the birth of babies basically, instruct how to alter reality by impressing the subconscious, which fits with reality as a dream, which of course has solipsistic implications. I could add more support if you want or point to some lectures by Neville Goddard. All the stories from Genesis to Revelations detail the transformation and awakening of the mind from the lower up to the higher, the ones that matter at least, not sure about the tribal laws in there, .@Inliytened1I could add more, but I'll end it here, let me know what you think

I don’t have a problem with mortality/survival the deception of life. But I really don’t buy that I would get bored of infinity and omniscience, just look at all the entertainment that mere humans can produce, you don’t think god could entertain itself without deception for eternity. Just don’t think that self deception is inevitable and a cycle of awakening and going back to sleep is what is waiting, god is too free or at least me as god doesn’t want that to be true. Makes you think if it’s all cyclical and there is no growth or permanent transformation then there really is no use to the struggle or meaning to survive. Just empirically. There’s got to be a higher understanding and transcendence of mundane survival and unawareness ignorance. I’ve never once sprained my ankle and been like jee I want to repeat that again And again for eternity. And if I told someone the truth and they realized it, it benefited their life from awakening to said truth, I would hate to see them wake up with amnesia and go back to ignorance if it’s the natural order of things fine it can’t be changed, but I would never willingly reneg on progress just to entertain myself. If you watch a movie for the first time it has a magic to it, the second time, still good but it’s lost something, which makes me think it’s not going to be the cycle forever. Infinity is too grand to repeat itself for eternity.

Thanks for explaining how exactly you mean it. I agree completely! I know all that already and I am conscious of it! But when you really got it you realize that it makes absolutely no difference what you do or don't do. And then you begin to PLAY. And the great plot twist is that through that Play the absolute begins to awaken to itself on a completely new level you didn't think was possible before. That's the paradox here. It's not at all about changing the world – it's about complete and radical TRANSFORMATION. This is not the same thing! It's not about some better state in the future, it's about releasing the massive amounts of Potential that is bound in the physical. It's like the beginning of a supernova of Consciousness. As soon as you feel that you know that that's as real as it gets. It's not about winning or losing something – both are impossible, because what is is already Absolute. It's about experiencing and actualizing God in a very direct way, in ways that one didn't even deem possible before. The heights that are possible to achieve are unimaginable. And there's nothing else to do!

We should emphasize the value of life and the potential for growth and transformation, even in the face of adversity. While it may seem tempting to seek an escape from the difficulties you are currently facing, consider alternative paths towards finding peace and liberation. Rather than focusing on external circumstances or waiting for death, explore the power of inner transformation and spiritual growth. Cultivate a daily meditation practice. Observe the sensations of the breath as it enters and leaves your body, allowing your mind to settle and become present in the moment. Positive qualities of mind such as compassion, forgiveness, and gratitude can help you navigate challenging situations with greater resilience and inner strength. Practice acts of kindness towards yourself and others, and cultivate a mindset of gratitude for the blessings in your life, no matter how small they may seem. Enlightenment is not about escaping from the world, but rather, it is about finding inner peace and liberation while actively engaging with life's challenges. By cultivating spiritual growth and inner transformation, you can find the strength and resilience to navigate difficult circumstances and create a more fulfilling and meaningful life. If its an option, Consider seeking support from trusted friends, family, or professionals who can provide guidance and assistance during this challenging time. Remember, you are not alone, and there is always hope for a brighter future. May you find the strength and courage to face your challenges and discover the transformative power of enlightenment.

Even for those who do, there is merit, but such merit is not relative to the person. Such merit is already expressive of enlightening potential, continuously expounded by animate and inanimate, without beginning. Being that it's already our nature, in seeing just this, realization is experience of nonoriginated selfless sincere open awareness in real time. At such times, no one knows the arising of the celestial potential but for those who eschew speculative relationships in the midst of situational evolution as a matter of course. In seeing potential, the gift is a given, whereby nothing is done in terms of the person. Since it does not involve the person, its psychological processes, emotional consciousness and ego reifying pattern-awareness ceases without deliberate effort or struggle. I'm not saying it's a wonderful thing; it's just what it is, relative to the situation. It's reality, not the person. Mutual response not relative to the person in the context of real situational adaption is enlightening activity by virtue of potential itself. Such response is transcendent in terms of freeing that bit of potential from within the matrix of the Creative (by virtue of karma). Subsequent natural transformation of unrefined potential is said to have been "absorbed" by adepts who can see situationally inherent potential. Those who do are said to be able to work with essence directly, without intermediary. "Absorption" of potential is the basic elemental aspect of so-called alchemic practice. It is simply a matter of seeing. Seeing is itself absorption of potential in terms of the real knowledge that I previously mentioned in the above quote. What is seen is not within the confines of a discursive criteria. Entry into the naturally inconceivable qualities of reality itself is just the way it is, and no one knows why. Formal meditation regimens aren't about being "good." "Spirituality" is really about penetration into the realm of the nonpsychologically nonoriginated unattributable quality of awake, miraculously so, by virtue of the source of our aware essential nature, which is not created. All entry-level reformative techniques are based on the nature of mind itself, to guide people beyond the realm of fixated self-absorption by the various devices set up by the ancient authentic teaching traditions in order to help students subtly gain familiarity with absorption of selfless (open) awareness. It's the same mind. There are no two minds. Mind is one. There is no karmic doing relative to the person carrying out authentic subtle spiritual (nonpsychological) practice. Our nature is an inconceivability. The open secret left behind by all prior illuminates is an attempt to keep the knowledge alive. Those who have the audacity to truly take this up are rare.

If you want to experience a true transformation and increase your consciousness, you need to put yourself in challenging situations, those that tests your limits. Discussions on a forum are a joke. It's all just mental masturbation if you don't put theories into practice.

Thank you, appreciated. What about a "religion" that doesn't have a leader? And no scriptures that tell you the truth or any truth? But instead you have a story that you just live through – that's all. Only a story, that's also called a story and not facts. Think of a spiritual musical of some kind. With a story that touches on deeper subjects like life & death, addiction & depression, stagnation & transformation, hope & despair, time & impermanence, dying & resurrection, healing & forgiveness, love, emotions, humanity, the cosmos, the journey, the dance of the universe, and so much more... But you know at all times that it is only a story. A story that provokes you to contemplate more deeply, love more radical, live more passionately, give yourself more completely and so much more... And you can have the most amazing experience of contact with Life, Love and the Divine, but you can also just chill and hang out, exchange your ideas and feelings with others, you can just dance and enjoy yourself. Or you can go on a cosmic adventure that will transform you if you let it. You will express emotions in an intensity you've never known before, experience true catharsis, and at the end you look at the night sky and feel the connection to the cosmos and everything in it... You wink at the stars because you finally know that there's something you didn't know before. And they wink back at you because they know now you're finally in on their little secret... You don't have ANY responsibility beyond that night. Whatever happens is from now on your personal treasure and you can do with it and integrate it as you please.. And then you do that every month together with the most amazing, open and beautiful people you can think of... Wouldn't that be great?

When people are treating you nicely with lovely words and understanding, your ego can be deceived into thinking that you've reached a state where nothing disturbs you and you're in harmony with the Universe. True transformation begins then your ego is triggered big time through humiliation and ostracization. Act like a crazy person and see what happens.

Holy scriptures are not just concepts and theories and interpretations. It's about Grace and the Words of Truth that carry a certain influence that is way beyond just the intelectual entertainment. Such books have metaphysical properties that stimulate the opening and healing of the heart. It plants seeds of awakening. It purifies the mind. And it is a way, a portal so to speak, through which one can tap into certain states of consciouness, and make a connection with certain beings to receive their grace, support and guidence. Such tools for transformation deserve to be honored and not pissed on.

I re-listened to the audibook integral transformation by Wilber and what was fascinating to me is how he and Leo intuit the samething about advaita and buddhism that they lack love that is so heavily emphasised by christian mystics and a lot of that very deep empathy is missing in todays culture, as it's to compassion focused or just very distant. Also what was fascinating is that the identification shifts and I was legit on the way to beign stage indigo/universal or w/e the scientific term was for this on cook-greuters paper as I started to identify with the higher subtle of love/joy etc. These are sort of imo the experience you have ad turqouise/construct aware -> indigo/beyond construct aware. Also that emptiness is sort of a lame interpretation even as an idea instead of infinity, as you can already see the christian background of love and empathy I wondered, by far also christian nations or judeo-christian nations are the least racist etc. When I contemplate how toxic China, Turkey or other countries are and this is sort of the positive remanent of our unknown mystics. That was certainly fascinated, also how shadow elements appear less in higher developed structure-stages from individuals at these stages, they are less prone to evoke them and accquire them, while they are not free of them, as well as people who even do smth. as basic as journaling have a better toolset to spot and handle shadow elements. For example the one with beign an expert and power and control at blue/red right now I notice is a huge regional emotional shadow I inherited as this is how "good power" was dealt with at very early stages of the beginnings of civilizations.... the irony of what I think about at the gym.... Yeah, I did not finish it entirely as I listend in 1x and was very tired. So yeah right now I am just chilling and enjoying my saturday gym today was very good in terms of meeting up and socializing a bit, and getting away especially in the early mornings from the gym sonication of loud blaring hip-hop music (trance would be good as it's more stage 3 inclined). The level of materalism sold within this as a "pure desire" can evoke some very competitive drives, I don't need at the morning. (Stage 3 higher development masculine & feminine) -> This was also interesting as it entailed the reality that higher stage men embody masculine and feminine aspects more and higher staged women also, also how wave 1 feminism was wrong about we are all equal and denied the biological differences and that wave 2 feminists admitted these differences, hence why there is the high acknowledgement of differences, yet now we have this stage 3 living without talking about it partially, some girls are very open to it and you have an extrem dark masculine shadow and to some extend dark feminine shadow collectively about material power at a purple/red and blue/orange level and some green stuff also. I bet there is more to write about this already took a lot of time to write, and to even read and connect all of the dots, many are arrogantly envious about things here and these are all shadows. I don't know if Wilber as the new integral life has already a topic on this psychdelics and shadow work, yet "keeping up-to-date" with the newest innovations in the psycho-spiritual sphere has become one of the most interesting things to me. Also the level of falseness of perspective of many spiritual people here is crass, many are materalist sex seekers, while others are living out there karma. Some people who are very liked by mods etc. Don't deserve it in my eyes, as they don't see the pain of the subtle extrem levels of materalism, especially shared with a partner etc. There is no love, only lust imo, so I will dismiss such people also in my personal life, they even lack compassion etc. They just evoke the notion of good without truely beign that intutive good so many humans love, that stems from a deep creative place of love, that is why you're fake to me, and it's triggering old patterns of my mother, and it's painful to deal with people who unconsciously traumatize you for your own gain, as they are money hungry power hungry weak dogs. That is the truth, weak dogs that hunt for the smallest piece of advantage, as long as these people don't admitt his fear I don't trust it. Anyhow this is more a reflection as I could also be like this, yet I never behaved and or thought like a weak dog, as I have to deal with the shadows mostly of beign the big dog, naive and likeable, gullible, trustable, faithful, loyal, strong etc. -> stupid, (rarely clumsy), forgetful, not caring etc. Some of this stuff more. Uhm yeah, more Wilber and Love -> Infinity etc. I see Leo's bias as to what works, yet the guy also is a maniac when it comes to work. I lost a lot of ambition if I channel it spiritually to such an extrem I will become like him which I don't want to and I am sure of this. A more subtler maturing is more painful, yet I could benefit more. Mostly I am here for spiritual work, shadow work and game, relationship advice, in case it works out with this girl I might do the course the advice here is so low and adopted for survival, I could puke and I get slightly triggered by the copy-cating of it. It's odd ohhh also!!! This idea caused me massive exellence in my life Wilber mentioning that aggression and hostility are different in it's essence -> anger is to move forward I had this inner behavioural ... adoption for quiet some time and it brought me massive exellence and the recent hostility is mostly due to the inadequat feeling of inner weakness that is abused and vulnerabillity that can be abused and the fear of it. Anyhow this is it I would analyze more, as this is new to me I was mostly non-caring yet it was mostly these type of social dominating type 8's who are very dumb in seeking god, they seek outside but it's inside. Anyhow it's a different matter some of these get it way way more intutively as they don't deny the creative drive of -> love -> surrender etc. Also the distinction between eros and agape that eros in the drive towards a great whole and including more of the whole which can have a phobos -> and hence turn pathological and agape including the smaller the involution drive towards the wholness of integrating the lower, which can lead to thantatos (death drive) in it's pathological form due to to much deconstruction instead of inclusion IIRC, and if my interpretation of the last part is correct. This 41:19 sounds extremely whole to me and I feel more whole, but yeah I dunno when I game to this music I ironically loose. It's to trippy .

I have something to say about that. Nietzsche spoke about the importance of YES. Getting to a point where you not only accept what is but say YES to Life and EVERYTHING that it entails, even if it meant repeating it into all of Eternity. That's a possibility. I'm working on a technique that involves going into the deepest darkest shadows of your psyche – essentially voluntarily visiting hell. It's made easier by doing it through a musical story, so you're able to distance yourself from your personal attachments and assume the reality of the fiction, experiencing it as a character that you may leave at any time if it gets too much. This is - as you may have guessed - supported and intensified through the use of psychedelics. It is ultimately supposed to be done in a group setting, but can also be carried out alone. Now, the goal is of course not to stay in hell, but to pass through it and leaving everything human behind for one night. This is possible because your fears and negativity work like an anchor tying you to the physical. It's like dying together in a more or less controlled and repeatable manner. That first part is like a cleansing and opening of your emotional system. The second part of the event then is about Ascension and Gnosis. Essentially connecting with the Divine in that elevated and loosened state creating a direct experience of GOD. What's great about it is that it will be possible to conduct it with as many people as you'd like, leading to not only a personal GOD awakening but a collective one. Anyway, in my experience by going consciously through what we would call hell it ceases to be that. You realize that even there, you can find nothing but LOVE. That's the great power of undergoing such a thing deliberately. You come back way more open and with less fear each time. Of course it may happen that you encounter something that's so deeply buried that it's not possible to overcome it in the moment. But that can be worked through aside from the ceremony and then you come back to try it again. But why? you may ask.. What are the benefits of doing something like that in the first place? Possible positive outcomes may be (if and how much of a success it becomes depends on the ceremony and the people that attend): Collective GOD-consciousness CATHARSIS of suppressed emotions Loosening or even permanent dissolving of certain emotional attachments – SHADOW WORK Advancing Evolution on this planet by working through the unconscious mind of humanity Creating our own future that's not just a repetition of the past by connecting to the Great Unknown Personal and collective transformation Coming together with like-minded people for the purpose of our Advancement as a species Finding and strengthening your life purpose by becoming conscious of what your highest values are Connecting to LIFE itself and starting to live more from your authentic self Cutting through all the bullshit of human ideas and concepts Notice: It's not about teaching anything specific, but just about connecting to the highest principle itself. Everything else is what you make of it. Essentially, it's a technology. There's much more to say but I'll leave it at that for now. Feel free to share your thoughts

Funny. Suddenly, Awakenings n+1 sound like more insights into the various facets/angles of the frog/God/Absolute Reality. And God Realization sound like Full Enlightenment. With Full Enlightenment having the benefit of sobre and permanent deep identity transformation, and its resulting access to the bliss of Absolute Reality. For divine/celestial perception after Enlightenement (or, understanding more of the relative facets of the frog), see for example Harri Aalto, David Buckland, David Spangler, and many others. In all Traditions.

Do you experience that? I am totally me, but I'm also grounded in the Absolute. I'm aware of the absoluteness of the Absolute, but I don't feel less myself, I feel MORE connected to this experience and body. It's kind of like lucid dreaming and it's amazing. I don't know if someday I wake up and think "oh, there's nobody there" but that sounds so silly. I can see the possibility but why would I want that? Why should I have an interest in disappearing? It makes no sense to me. Let's say that my current form is like a mask for the Absolute. Yeah, I WANT to play, and feel, and cry and laugh AS that character. I want to experience all the pain, pleasure, despair and ecstasy that comes with that. That's the whole point, isn't it? I CHOOSE so. And besides, that still would be a relative experience: You're there, then you're not, but experience continues anyway, so what's really the difference? The way I see it what's WAY more important is LOVE. A thorough and total YES to Life, ALL of it. In wanting to disappear there's still this death wish going on. It's about Becoming LOVE, but that won't happen in this human realm. Here we can only connect as much as possible with that, but that's also absolutely perfect already. But that doesn't mean there's nothing to change, in the contrary! Life is Eternal Change. We have to overcome our fear of death, that is also a fear of Life. It's about Transformation, a kind of alchemy that turns Darkness into Ecstasy.