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Fair points. Though I would imagine misandry does have a non-nominal impact on male suicide. But I don't know.

@Ulax Yes, I agree that not every man has more power than every woman. If a NEET man is dehumanized by a rich white woman simply because of his status, then this is class-based hatred. This is why poor people hating rich people is not the same as rich people hating on poor people. There are certainly toxic women, or women with various personality disorders, who can traumatize their male child or partner severely, but they usually treat women the same way. It is hard to tell whether they are harmful because of misandry or simply because they are antisocial, narcissistic, psychopathic, or have other mental health issues. I don't deny that some men may end up committing suicide due to misandry, but how common is it? Maybe they feel romantically rejected, which is not misandry.

@Ulax Men not being allies to women in the fight against systemic misogyny is a relevant point. If they have more power in society and are selfish, then why would feminists, who have less power in society, fight for a minor issue that a more powerful group suffers from that does not even have a significant negative effect on them? If misogyny is like a common disease with a major negative impact on people's lives, then misandry is not a common disease and has little impact. This is why misogyny is a systemic issue while misandry isn't. Just because something exists doesn't mean that it is a systemic issue. Many bad things exist, but not every bad thing is systemic. There are Black people who hate White people, but this is not a systemic issue. White people's lives are not systematically affected by this, they still have their human rights, privileges, and protection by the system. However, while feminists don't directly address misandry, feminists do question the narrow gender roles imposed by patriarchy on both men and women. Masculinity according to patriarchy, is defined not by what it is, but by what it is not: femininity. Men are expected by patriarchy to repress their femininity, emotions, and vulnerability and to adhere to narrow standards of masculinity, which is not sustainable for healthy human beings. Especially when it comes to building healthy relationships, even a healthy relationship with oneself. Men commit suicide not because of a random encounter with a misandrist woman, but because they don't have permission to be whole human beings who express feelings, seek help, and so on. Their shame comes from actually having feelings and a feminine side that doesn't fit patriarchal expectations of men. This is what I believe to be the case. Women are not only angry about the men who directly abused them, but also about the men who silently protect those men, ignore their misbehaviour, don't call them out, justify them, or do nothing. And it doesn't mean that they are angry at every individual male for existing. They are angry at men as a group with shared patterns. Of course there are exceptions, but most men are compliant with the system, either actively or silently, overtly or covertly, even normal and “nice” men. There is the case of Gisèle Pelicot, a French woman who was married to a seemingly normal man for many years. They were close partners. However, he drugged her for years and raped her when she was unconscious. Not only that, he invited men he contacted through the internet to rape her and filmed it. She wasn't aware of it and discovered it through the police investigation. The men who participated in her rape were all sorts of men, often married and with respected jobs, “good men.” She decided to make the trial public to raise awareness. What caused those “good” men to rape an unconscious woman? Systemic dehumanization and objectification of women, and also seeing masculinity as a form of dominance over the feminine, “feeling like a man” as they were socialized to view masculinity. Even the men who were just contacted by her husband and didn't end up going and raping her, did nothing about it. Didn't call to the police or something.

Since so much of our life is just maintaining our own survival, it’s a surprise for many that people go 180 degrees in the opposite direction and choose to end it on their terms. In a way, it takes a lot of bravery and courage, but in high pressure survival situations, it looks like the better option. What if suicide is just an attempt at survival in another form? Is suicide truthful? Legit i’m ready to die. It is also said that many had flashes of enlightenment when deep in this mire of suicidality. if the answer isn’t physical death then what is the real answer? Wouldn’t physical death lead to death of ego too? my outer circumstances don’t exactly let me pursue the spiritual path to the max the way I want to. I’d rather be dead then to live as this fuck up also in a fucked up deluded environment around deluded people i’m so sick of the BS in me and around me that i’d rather take a leap into the unknown and kill myself. Dissolving all this BS nauseating noise, shit and impurity

I’m a little confused sometimes about makes people not end their life. It’s like, I’m not the only one who struggles, yet all people who struggle don’t get suicidal thoughts. There are even people going through worse than me who don’t consider suicide. Sometimes when my suicidal thoughts get stronger I can spend hours researching suicide methods. I even bought some things I could use to kill myself but I haven’t used them yet. Sometimes I feel “I could keep living through this” But then other times I feel, I have no will to keep fighting for life. I should just end it. It would be better So I don’t understand how other people don’t feel like this when they struggle. Am I extra weak? I mean I think I’m like the average person when it comes to how much I can tolerate. Or maybe not. I don’t know. I guess I just lack a strong enough reason to live Like some people have let’s say family they are attached to, and it keeps them wanna live. But I don’t have that, I don’t love anyone at all so I have nobody to live for. It’s like all I have is my own mind. Im stuck inside of this brain 24/7. All I have access to is a comforting thought that can give me some strength. But then my mind gives up and wants to end it all. It oscillates like that Edit: I should probably answer my own question. Why don’t I kill myself? Well mostly because my situation is not like absolutely unbearable yet, so I feel I can stand it for some time ahead. Also I am afraid of a failed attempt and the pain it can cause for example you could get permanent injury. Thats it mostly. Regarding the first point. I hear stories about people going through unbearable things, so they go through it even if it’s absolutely unbearable, I don’t know how they do. Suicide must have crossed their mind at some point

But I thought solipsism. If solipsism then no. Where attention goes, energy flows. These things I focus on in my consciousness are the truths that I create. Yes if you can watch this and detach your identity from it, but can you? Most people can't do that. Suicide and mental health issues are through the roof with law enforcement. The lesson? Don't go into law enforcement.

@Basman I'm not saying to get rid of Neurotypical people. Also I'm not saying their existence is less justified just because it's more simple. In some way, the Zen existence is the most simple yet it is ridiculous to use this as reason to get rid of them or something. In that way, I am not making the same mistake as Ayn Rand who believes that the genius of the world can somehow just survive without the normies. If you truly understand my argument, you will realize that I'm saying that the geniuses might be able to create the finest gourmet meals, which suck at keeping you alive like simple, warmed up meals do. This is what Marxism is. It is precisely the notion that the state should mainly care about its working class since all of existence and economics is rooted in it and not in the lofty ideas of the few geniuses. This is why in in Leninism, it is required for a small group of the elite to commit "class suicide" and dedicate themselves to the needs of the simple people. This is why Marxism is literally the opposite of fascism. Fascist are very open about that fact. There is no fascism without communism. It is a direct response to communism.

Dude suicide and death isn't easy, you could botch it and survive disabled. You're trapped. Many sucide attempts fail. Besides, I don't want to reincarnate. Someone here said you can fully embody god and what dematerialzie? I've found no information how to awaken from this dream of life, if god is truely free and infinite then where is the wake up trigger switch?

Unfortunately are the normal human history. Same than conquer lands. Arabs conquered many lands that are Muslims until now, Turks conquered Anatolia and now it's turkey, Chinese a lot of countries that now are china, and Jews conquered Israel, or re conquerered their ancient land according to them. The only that matters is if you succeed or not. Legitimate happens later, gaining your right to be there, as Israel is doing now. A world where all humans dance and hugs would be better? Sure, but for now it isn't. Maybe when the IA rules and robots work, then we all will commit suicide 😅

Suicide. But, physical suicidal is easy, quick, running away. Surrendering is burning alive. Completely opposite of physical suicide. Not running, jumping into fire, burning till not even ashes left.

Jiang desires so hardly the fall of US that he really believes the worst scenario possible, but that would be absolute political suicide for Iran, handing Israel the key to legitimacy in the Gulf. The fanaticism of Muslim regimes is always overestimated, when they are usually corrupt regimes that only seek to perpetuate themselves in power, like any other dictatorship. Power is power, it's equal for everyone. Have they filled the Strait of Hormuz with mines in revenge for the assassination of the Ayatollah? Why haven't they destroyed any desalination plants yet? What are they waiting for? I think that anyone in Iran who ask himself: what is the better option in all senses now? Would answer: change. Because the other options are catastrophic

And that's precisely the point. The house is burning, Death is next moment. The fool thinks Death is far away, but is always next moment. If this doesnt compel one to seek and notice the urgency of it, then I dont know what will. People at large doesnt comtemplate Death, they are too casual about it, and thats why most are not wise people. Believe it or not, I dont, otherwise I wouldnt have found actualized.org. But language is limited, I have to express the larger point somehow. And I did consider suicide, its foolish for a variety of reasons. No problem, its was enjoyable indeed.

It's not a handwaving, every time I leave the house I know perfectly well I might die in some accident, or simpler still a brain aneurysm I don't know about could suddenly rupture and kill me on the spot or render me a vegetable wherever I am. It may be the most logical emotionally, but there's higher order logic. Your trouble is identifying with the human you too much, which can indeed be destroyed by Death easier than brushing off a speck of dust. Such conventions don't apply to your actual Identity though. Then there's the whole angle of suicide to consider, but that's unnecessary radical for now. Enjoyable as it was, gonna have to shorten all further posts for time purposes, since it's a universal pattern that people ignore 90% of it anyway.

I'm not a toddler to not understand this .you got this one and everyone gets this cuz that's what society tells you to do. I'm offering the other perspective..can you understand that there is no such thing as traumatic in "actuality " ? There was a huge crime that happened back in 2007 in America (not sure but I took it from Sam Harris). Two criminals robbed a house and killed two little girls and stole all the money and then tied their parents to the bed and burned them alive and the entire house . The criminals weren't arrested because they both committed suicide soon after the incident because probably they went "okay why on earth should anyone do that "?. They actually wrote a suicide note saying that they regret what they did . Can you tell me what did you understand from this story ?

@Oeaohoo A .1% increase in baseline consciousness could be the difference between depression on the brink of suicide and genuine peace, a sense of purpose, and a heart full of gratitude. I'm less than 1% higher in my baseline from when I was at my lowest. But I live in a different reality. If you're more interested in the truth angle than the liberation angle, then there's plenty of that too.

I'm truly mesmerised and confused about the way Iran is handling this conflict. For the longest time, their responses were the most rational and calibrated. And now what?! They're gone absolutely insane. They're just proving they're terrorists waiting for the right moment to blow up. I mean I understand the situation doesn't leave them many options, but this is literally suicide bombing. Just imagine they develop nuclear.

Suicide is like forfeiting the game, but you never completed it so you will have to start over. Now ask yourself, do you really want to start over and go through all that shit again? because its not like you can escape what you need to learn and master in the next life, you will eventually be met with the same challenges or (part of the game) you need to complete to progress further in the souls evolutionary path, so to speak. So killing yourself will only create more karma you have to deal with in the next life and who knows how many times you have done it in previous lives, if you look at it this way, you'll see the pointlessness of suicide and its the only way to truly fail the game. If someone kills you, you actually have succeeded, because that's God's will / plan / agreement of a higher order. Suicide is always due to disconnection and disembodiment from the higher truth / plan / divine play and order.

@Majed Maybe there is some spiritual truth to suicide and spirituality. But I'd argue using spirituality as a justification for suicide is just an egoic rationalisation for the act.

Doesn't everyone know this? You don't need to be enlightened to understand that suicide is always an option. A child understands this.

@Leo Gura You missed my point which is that after insanity which results in you losing your human mind, and becoming God, you realize that there are no difference between life and death, except for the survival game you're playing, hence you can consciously choose to cut it off through suicide. This is a different thing from suicide as an escape from the brutality of life. This is more like a rational deliberate choice, even if your life is great, you can still prefer to die and stop playing the survival game.

Dude. You don't need to become insane to choose suicide. Millions of people choose it every year. Life is brutal and suicide is common. Has nothing to do with insanity or even spirituality.

it's kind of like being enlightened as a monk vs as a regular person having to handle financial attachments etc. you could argue that the monk has it easy because their life is set up in such a way as to discourage any sort of attachment they may have - so have they really mastered detachment, are they really enlightened? i think the same logic can be applied to suicide: it's easy to exist undefined, as God. existing as a form that needs to survive WHILE maintaining detachment from said survival, that's the challenge. so is living through the ugliness and corruption of survival while ultimately still looking back and going "oh, that still counted though. that was still a valid form of Love, no matter how small and contracted". all these spiritual ideas on and around suicide, if anything, are more a case in point for human attachment to survival. if you weren't attached to your experience (suffering vs no suffering), you would not care about being alive. you would not even notice whether or not you are alive, because yes, indeed, there is no difference.

Only depressed or miserable people or people in deep suffering commit suicide. Has nothing to do with enlightenment.

I am out with friends and I listen to what's going on in their lives. One of them tells me about his conflict with his colleague, a bitter series of disappointment, arguments and fights. He's clearly shaken by it. There's another friend, she talks about mental health and that's she's grateful to currently be at least "halfway stable." Her voice is quite shaky and very quiet while she's says that. As if she doesn't believe in that stability herself. They both seem to suffer tremendously, and even when I doing fine now, I know how that feels like. I listen to them and I can't get it out of my head: this is all consciousness, or God or whatever name you give it, doing it to itself. The more aware I become, the more it seems to me that this whole reality is just a show, a drama for entertainment purposes. Problems created to have a task in dealing with them. It could all be changed in an instant. Every misunderstanding, every conflict, every suffering. From direct experiences, I know I'm talking to the person - or persona - in front of me, but I also know that I am communicating with something transpersonal. I know it's capable of immediately role-switching. I have experienced it many times. All the conflicts, all the problems could be solved instantaneously. So why stay in it? Is this really how "it" wants to spent eternity? Is that the best it CAN do? Is it what it really WANTS to do? Personally, I feel more and more tired from these dramas. From time to time, I see the creation of drama, the process of unfolding of the storyline in a person's eyes. He or she is talking, and I am aware that the person is just making shit up to create some story arc. And I see the person looking back at me, and I know that he/she knows that I know. Often, I get caught up in my own stories, my own role, my own character. But the more I have these moments of "knowing", the more I wonder about it. And it's very strange because I still feel empathy. I know it BS, I know it's fabricated, and I still care. I see the people in front of me and I think: They are having a really unpleasant experience. And I wonder: does it really have to be this way? Sometimes, I love watching a series. The series starts great, I get interested in the story, in the characters. Then a little drama gets added and I'm engaged. For a while. And then I lose interest. Because almost inevitably, the same thing happens over and over again: to keep tensions high, the drama must steadily increase. You know what I mean. "Woman is pregnant from lover who accidentally killed her husband without knowing while step-brother from the past appears and starts to uncover an evil plan to destroy the world while having an affair with the GF of his best friend...." ....yeah this kind of drama. So is this really how it wants to experience life? Trump, and war, and rape, and famine, and hunger. And if there is no existential crisis going on, ok no problem we make our own mental problems. Depression, burn out, ADHD, suicide, etc etc. And you can't tell me that "we need to raise consciousness". It could be done, all drama ceased, right now, instantly. It's a choice. I recently had one of this role switching moments with a friend. I asked him about reality, and he replied, quite unexpectedly, "you will always wake up in some story" When a series boils over with drama, I just stop watching it. But where else to go with my awareness than the reality around me? What is it that "it " is actually distracting itself from? And if it wants to distract itself, is this really the way it wants to go about it? THIS IS REALLY IT? So what is left to do? I focus on myself and my (non) reactions as best as I can. And keep wondering: when is enough drama really enough?

If you have to commit suicide you haven't mastered the game, and still within it. Your meant to ascend out of it entirely Realizing or glimpsing you are God is one thing, total illumination / embodiment / liberation is an entirely different thing.