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Jowblob replied to Javfly33's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Consciousness or god is experience itself, memory comes from the experience. By experiencing itself in new ways, new ideas are created. Where most people go wrong is thinking that god is nothingness, god is in fact not nothingness. You're an awareness stuck/conscious in nothingness/void . And you question why this is, to escape your situation you give up your true reality and dream. This is why nobody will be ever in control, because the only control you have is witnessing yourself in the void -
For me, I did SEVERAL trips just asking the question: What is Actuality? From there you'll begin to scratch the surface of realizing that reality LITERALLY is just ISing in front of you, appearances happening to nobody. Appearances grounded in itself, grounded in Nothingness, being itself as an infinite shapshifting fractal. Figments of consciousness literally just existing as they are on their own with nothing behind it., No "How" is needed. It is just A=A. I personally just scratched the surface of this myself, accessing stats of consciousness that the whole show of reality is just happening within the bubble of consciousness that I am accessing and forgetting how I'm generating right now. Accessing states realizing that all stories of why things exist are just stories and contexts projected onto reality to fool myself that spontaneous existence isn't just happening right here.
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LastThursday replied to ici's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Everything is relative to everything else, so there's no fixed "anchor" keeping everything in place. It's like waves and currents in the ocean, water moves relative to itself and there's nothing to stop it moving once it starts. Once nothingness divides itself, then its parts are free to change indefinitely. But change happens at a measured pace, otherwise everything would happen at once: that's the only thing keeping everything from chaos. -
Me <3 Haha, just kidding. It’s change. God loves change. Indefinitely. Without change, nothing matters. With change, everything matters. To matter is to change. To not matter is to not change. What exactly causes change? Time by itself does not change anything. It’s merely the carrier. A continuous void of nothingness changes nothing. It takes energy to change and form matter (and therefore meaning). It also takes energy to disform matter. Energy is what emerges out of nothing and nowhere. Energy is actualised change potential. Potential is what could be that is not yet actualised. A field of potential is what precedes spacetime. The emergence, existence, flow, interaction of energy is what makes the world be as it is. The whole notion of physics collapses if there’s no change. The same applies to all of science — biology, chemistry, you name it. What is the greatest source of energy for us humans? The greatest source of energy is what you love the most. Be excited and make a change.
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Ajax replied to Javfly33's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The spirit can’t resist. To have existence is to resist. It is something you put there to have a game. Something to resist, and something that resists. As I frequently state. Truth is what you put there. It is what is real from your viewpoint. The problem comes when you have fake realities…. By which I mean something that you have assigned as cause and consider yourself the effect of. It’s not delusions… it’s simply the mechanics. You find what you are looking for. In the end, the only thing a person really objects to is their lack of choice. It is interesting that “want” has a double meaning. Something you wish to obtain and something that you consider that you lack, or deprived of. Interesting, isn’t it? Truth and force do not mix. Why because you put it there, and when you try to put something else there, it changes because you find what you are looking for. The spirit creates something out of nothing. It’s most basic characteristic is ultimate reflectiveness. What does it reflect? The basic characteristic of the viewer that you put there. You put admiration there, you see admiration there, you put confusion and admiration there, that is what you see… as the spirit does not resist it uses existence to reflect what it sees. So what you put there is what is true, because you put it there. The number 1 spiritual law is that you are a nothingness that creates something out of nothing. Therefore, truth cannot be seen, or observed without knowing that you are the one that put it there. Define happiness. It is simply an effect, something that happens after you do something, or decide something. You put the idea that there is something called happiness and then decide that it is happening to you. This is what the spirit does(form something out of nothing). To the degree that you are capable of causative effects, you can decide where happiness is or it is not. You are a spirit. That is the most important thing that you can know. A spirit is the one that creates something, you put it there. Beauty in something only exists because you put it there. It’s not limitations, it you that put beauty and decide that it is beautiful… things are dead, just particles until you put the beauty, joy and life into things. Of course, having a game is important… there are infinite amount of games. First this masculine/feminine dynamic isn’t very real to me. Neither is transcendence. What is considered normal, is agreeing with other points of view as what is normal. However, in your native state.. the component parts are no space, no time, no agreement, source, knowingness, cause and creation. These are what are used to construct something out of nothing. It doesn’t matter if you are in your native state or not… they are the parts that are used to create “life particles” Which are used to create something.. to create the conditions for existence. Your most basic Freedom is the ability to assume any possible viewpoint. Having the ability and willingness to admire anything for no reason at all. These are native abilities, not defined by such lesser considerations of this so-called masculine and feminine. To tell the truth, I could not even define the idea of masculine and feminine.. so we do not share a reality regarding this. Anything physical of course is a shared reality. But, first I would have to create the reality and then agree with what others consider to be reality… You see you can not escape this so called, transcendence whether you want to or not. It is a decision to be or not to be, or to agree or not to agree. These are simply excuses and justifications. If you consider life is complex, unfair or ugly… you simply don’t understand enough of the rules. There doesn’t need to be a reason to choose a path. It was nothing before you decided that it is something. Just a thought, a consideration. Reasons are simply self deceptions. They are a substitute for knowing something. To put is succinctly… all the freedom and slavery you will ever experience is found in the midst of your considerations. When you break down a decision it goes like this.. First you have a miscommunication with something... Then you have a misunderstanding of something... that there is something out of alignments of what you consider to be true, a disagreement, a separation, a barrier to the interchange between ideas, as well as apparent pull away from that thing.. such as trying to force two identical magnetic polarities together. Then, we get into the realm of limitations… you consider you failed, or lost something, that something is non optimal… it is the realm of control.. the consideration that there is something there that you did not intend, or doesn’t belong or something that is unwanted.. something related to your survival, that challenges your considerations… the introduction of a counter intention… Which causes you to consider something is an unwanted effect… since it is unwanted… you drop responsibility for it which is to lie to yourself and say you are not the cause of it (responsibility is simply the willingness to accept cause)… which assigns importance… something you must do about it… whether if it is to avoid it prevent it, or to stop or change it, fight it, drop it or in any other way react to it. In this way to drop it and put it on something else… It is the decision to say I am weak and you are strong… but I am right and you are wrong.. but since I decided I am weak I must prove myself right and confirm so, so I will act as if I am so… that something other than… It is a beautify and amazing mechanism. As I say repeatedly… You find what you are looking for. Since you create something out of thin air, you will find what you put there. The problem is removing what doesn’t belong. It is like an artist painting, you add and detract from your portrait as it is yours… to the degree that you consider it is something or someone else is the author, you will know tragedy and devolve into thinking, rationality, looking for confirmation, forcing something that doesn’t belong in your personal portrait which causes pain. Why are you considering as God as something as external to you? Do you not make something out of nothing. You are your viewpoint on others, you put love, beauty and admiration into existence and that is what you are… you put imperfection ugliness, confusion, complexity and impurity that is what you are because you can not be wrong as truth has the characteristics of ultimate reflectiveness… your viewpoint makes it so.. it’s not something you see it is something you put there. There is no human experience, only your ideas about human experience that you reinforce and create… something out of nothing after all. You are perfect and anything that isn't perfect isn't you. Winning and losing is relative to your viewpoint on whether you can maintain the same level of enthusiasm and joy from it regardless of the form it takes... which is a godly action in its self... not a human consideration... consider that... There really is only one “law” that is really worth knowing. That is that you are the source of your thought, awareness and activity. You have the ability to create something out of nothing. It is this certainty, not knowledge, that makes possible. It is the ability to know you put it there, and that you can create something out of nothing, and that you are the decider of your willingness exorcise this power or not, by your choice and your choice alone. It is simply a matter of preference. And preference is a beautiful thing. For it is your game. Its not about a path. A path is just something you do through your own personal viewpoint. As I mentioned, Truth is simply an absence of… it’s not even one… The spirit is this “thing” that knows and creates something out of nothing. What you put there is true… I like the idea of a postulate being an “ithere”, as in I put it there… I-there! Lol As for your path, I consider it very valid for you. My objection is your assertion that objective truth cannot be known. Truth is an absence of… therefore, it is the removal of.. rather than the seeking of… how in the world can you seek a “nothing”. It is not even one as one signifies quantity… when a particle comes together it ceases to exist after all… truth has no continuation because it is not existence… you put an idea and existence forms around it. Of course the greatest pretense is that it is not all a pretense... I have no intention to force you off your own road of truth, far from it… I simply wished to engage in an interchange of ideas, just for fun. I created a reason because there is no reason… an interchange is just the consideration that there is something one does not know and wishes for an exchange, thank you for participating and indulging… it is a mockup of a disagreement as it is the vessel of and exchange to balance an imbalance. My point, is you don’t have to have a reason to decide to embrace a human experience. It simply is. That is our “gift from god” to postulate without confirmation and to decide to confirm and limit ourselves in this confirmation… there is no need to “surrender” just decide to embrace for no reason at all other than just to do it. Love your idea about expanding and contracting… beautiful pure and simple and it is true because you decided to create it! LOVE LOVE LOVE -
Emerald replied to Javfly33's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
First off, much of this will sound way out there... because these are what my medicine journeys have shown me. And I have adopted many of these insights into how I approach my life, as they have helped me get on track with what I really want to experience. I just wanted to preface it before I answer. 1. Enlightenment isn't a denial as there is no one there to deny anything. It is simply a total dispossession of the illusion of the story that you are currently living to the point were there is nothing but pure consciousness. It is where reality (including yourself) blows away like dust in the wind and empty consciousness itself remains. But human attachments can be an impediment to a human being relinquishing the illusion of life and reality. This is why it can be more difficult to wake up as a householder because there is more to be attached to. 2. Yes, ego dissolution is death itself, just not death from a bodily perspective. It's a death from the perspective of consciousness. The way I would describe it is that it's like a drop of water getting sublimated into the ocean... only that ocean is pure nothingness and pure consciousness. 3. Yes, that's correct. I was shown in my medicine journey that the reason why God decided to split off an element of its consciousness to incarnate into the illusory finite form Emerald is because this element of its consciousness did not want to be open and accepting of infinite suffering. And to be reintegrated with God, there must be a total willingness to create, know, experience, and love all things in existence... including all suffering. And it was too much for this point of God's consciousness, so out of mercy to itself, God cut away this part of itself and incarnated it into a finite form where there is a finite amount of suffering to experience. And it was through the contraction and limitation that there was mercy. 4. Yes, it showed me that Emerald was the illusion/story that was woven for this purpose. And the preference at this point, seems to be to live infinite lifetimes as this character in order to avoid the awareness of infinite suffering and infinite knowledge. It also in other journeys showed me many permutations of Emerald lives, as this is where God's suffering part goes to get a vacation from the infinite. And it even reassured me in my last journey that I took that I could choose to live as many lives as Emerald as I wanted to. And it has shown me how valuable the function of my life is as it is only in the finite and imperfection that consciousness can experience meaning and beauty. And it showed me that, if I have a choice between being God and being Emerald, that it is wiser for me to handicap myself into smallness and limitation and choose Emerald. -
@Salvijus Moo-ji! Moo-ji! Moo-ji! Make sure to bring some nothingness and powerless-non-thoughts back to share with us 😁
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Reciprocality replied to Reciprocality's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Buck Edwards Appreciate the Philosophical references! And it is hard not to get overexcited when someone references Kants works. There does not need to be a transcendental unity of apperception, for one because possibility itself is sufficiently accounted for by investigation into its meaning (there is no reason why that which is possible should be prior to what is actual) and secondly because of Kants own argument against transcendent beings posited to exist merely via a form of induction whether these be God, nothingness, randomness, substance, soul or possibility etc. In better terms: the a priory status of Kants Categories and the derivability of the concept of those categories from mere sensory stimuli (which I believe I can argue for) makes the status of those concepts (in so far as they are to be employed as a priori principles in arguments) transcendent and metaphysical, at which point knowledge of them becomes subject to the same scrutiny under which he himself placed the concepts of God, Substance and Soul via a variation of the problem of induction or the problem of synthetic a priori judgements. -
Peace means nothingness. Peace is not something that you create, peace is not something that happens. Peace is something that always is. What happens on the surface is disturbance. This is just like the ocean. On the surface of the ocean you will see waves, tremendous turbulence and turmoil. But if you go deep down, it is perfectly peaceful. The fundamental quality of existence is always peace. ~ Sadhguru “Peace is your natural state. It is the mind that obstructs the natural state.”— Ramana Maharshi Mind is never peaceful; no-mind is peace. Mind itself can never be peaceful, silent. The very nature of the mind is to be tense, to be in confusion. Mind can never be clear, it cannot have clarity because mind is by nature confusion, cloudiness. ~ Osho Only no-mind can be at peace, because in a state of no-mind you have gone beyond the clouds into the open sky, where problems don't exist. ~ Osho
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Thousands of copies of you Imagine a world where your face, voice, and even your thoughts are scattered across the internet, replicated thousands of times. Each version of you moves through digital space, interacting with others, making decisions, and living a life that is parallel to yours but entirely separate. These digital clones know everything about you—your favorite foods, your pet peeves, your secrets—because they are built from your digital footprint. They’ve read your posts, listened to your conversations, and analyzed your habits. Now, they are you, and you are them. And no one, not even you, can tell the difference. In this world, you wake up and log into your email, only to find messages sent by your clone to your boss, negotiating a deal you know nothing about. You check your social media and see pictures of "you" at a party you never attended, laughing with friends you’ve never met. These clones have your face, your mannerisms, your voice, and they’re out there living your life, making decisions that affect the real world. Some might be harmless, like a clone posting a new recipe on your food blog. Others could be dangerous, like one of your clones getting involved in illegal activities, tarnishing your reputation, and putting you in real trouble. The world is flooded with these digital copies. Everyone has clones, and they’re everywhere. They fill up social media feeds, populate chat rooms, and even show up on dating apps. Some clones are helpful, like personal assistants who handle your daily tasks, manage your schedule, or send friendly reminders. They keep your life running smoothly, making you more efficient and productive. But other clones have more sinister intentions. They might scam people, spreading misinformation, or even manipulate others for their own gain. Imagine a clone of you spreading false news articles, convincing your friends and family of things that aren't true, or using your identity to defraud others. The potential for harm is immense. Walking down the street, you wouldn't just see people; you'd see augmented versions of them. Some faces would flicker slightly, a digital glitch giving away their artificial nature. Advertisements would call out to you by name, personalized by the clones that know your buying habits better than you do. Stores would have AI-generated salespeople, each one a clone of a well-known influencer, urging you to buy the latest product. Politicians would campaign using digital versions of themselves, tailored to appeal to different demographics. You might meet a version of a candidate who perfectly aligns with your views, only to find out later that someone else met a completely different version of that same candidate. Imagine the chaos in workplaces. You could sit down for a video conference with what looks like your boss, but is actually just a digital clone, programmed to handle meetings. You might collaborate on a project with a team that’s half real and half artificial. In some cases, you might not be able to tell the difference, and that’s exactly the point. Companies would use these clones to optimize productivity, replace human interaction, and cut costs. Your coworkers could be AI, your supervisor a sophisticated algorithm, all designed to mimic human behavior so well that no one notices. This world of digital clones creates a society where trust becomes a rare commodity. If you can’t tell the real from the fake, who can you trust? Your best friend might be a digital clone, perfectly tailored to be the ideal companion, but completely fabricated. You could have deep conversations, share your innermost thoughts, and form bonds, only to find out that your friend never existed. Relationships become shallow and transactional, as people hesitate to invest in connections that might turn out to be fake. The very essence of what it means to be human—our interactions, our relationships, our trust in one another—becomes diluted. In this chaotic world, digital clones don’t just exist—they thrive. Some clones might work for good, acting as extensions of ourselves, handling tasks, and simplifying our lives. Others, however, might serve darker purposes, spreading lies, sowing discord, or engaging in criminal activities. The line between good and bad, real and fake, becomes blurred, leaving us in a state of perpetual uncertainty. The era of chaos is not just a future possibility; it’s a reality in the making. As our digital selves continue to multiply, we face the challenge of navigating a world where our identities are no longer our own, where the truth is a shifting concept, and where the boundary between human and machine fades into nothingness.
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Breakingthewall replied to Will1125's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Princess Arabia Anyway, the word dream defines the result of billions of neuronal connections copying the daytime activity recorded by the brain having as basis the information sent by the senses. That's what the word dream means. If the people want to use the word dream as something else, for example the creation of the nothingness of existence, they should use another word so as not to seem ignorant who do not know the meaning of the words, or who have not thoroughly contemplated what they mean. that could mean and they talk superficially saying things that sound good but don't make sense -
Indra's Net everywhere indeed. Best part is how it can go from 0% content to 100 within a structure of nothingness Oh yes, for Umi the anime is inadequate. VNs with PS3 mods is the way. I love Higurashi animes too, actually preferrable to the novels as they exclude a lot of unnecessary slice of life. Some stars definitely aligned over here. Also my previous reply was #34, lambda = 30, delta = 4, would you look at that.
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Describing a dynamic is different from what you did above, I'd say. Why bring up this formless-nothingness subject? Is that what you guys presume eliminating a belief entails? It's more like having your cup emptied––being open. The cup (your experience) doesn't go away.
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Spiritual Warfare posted a topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
What fate awaits my loved ones? I understand they are an essential part of my being, yet will I ever have the opportunity to behold them in their human forms again, or will they ultimately dissolve into the void of nothingness after death? -
Xonas Pitfall replied to Spiritual Warfare's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Yes! Let me help you contemplate it! You mentioned before that you believe God should follow logic, and I still fully agree with you. The following will be purely definitional logic. The very moment I define Light as something, I also define it as not being something else. At that moment, I created the notion of what Light is and what it is not. Can you see how the "absence of Light" is a necessity for defining Light? 🔅 Imagine a completely unbiased object that can be anything and nothing, and then I point to it and say, "Have the property of being white!" Suddenly, I've created a "definition" for it. It is white, and not anything else. 1 = 1; it cannot equal 1 = 2, 1 = 3, or 1 = 4.56. It must be what it is. Therefore: Everything = Everything. And what is Everything? Again, every single thing—both Light and Dark. Both inclusion and absence. The concept of "Everything" is unique because it inherently contains a paradox. Most concepts are straightforward in their definitions: a human is distinctly a human, a number is specifically a number, and a bird is clearly a bird. However, "Everything" is different. To truly be "Everything," it must include all things and all possibilities, even those that seem to contradict or oppose it. This means that "Everything" must encompass not only all things that exist but also the idea of what does not exist. In other words, "Everything" must include both itself (all that exists) and what it is not (the concept of non-existence or absence), because if it didn't, it wouldn't truly be everything. It can be challenging to grasp because it requires a leap in logic that allows for contradiction to be part of a whole. Another way to illustrate this is to think about the concept of an empty set. An empty set is defined as a set that contains nothing. But if we say it contains "nothing," isn't there still the concept of "nothingness" within it? If there truly were nothing, then the idea of an empty set itself would not exist. Thus, even the idea of "nothing" paradoxically suggests that there is "something"—in this case, the concept of "nothingness" itself. Just get your brain thinking through paradoxical concepts and see what you come up with. The more you get comfortable with these logic patterns, the closer you will get to understanding the fundamental necessities that define God! Good luck! 💛 Again, this is pure logic and playing with definitions—there is no personification happening. -
Breakingthewall replied to Atb210201's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
What I mean is that you are not, or possess this or that quality, that you do not exist and will never exist, neither by yourself, nor by Him, in Him or with Him. You cannot cease to be, because you cannot are you. You are He and He is you, without any dependence or chance. If you can recognize this quality of nothingness in your existence, then you know Allah. Otherwise, no. Ibn Arabi Whoever is in the circle, in a movement around the Pole, never moves away...On the other hand, whoever, a prisoner of the imagination, follows a tangent and travels a straight path, moves away from the object of the Search, since he goes out in search of what is already in it. On the other hand, for those who follow the circular movement, there is no starting or ending point, thus obtaining spiritual realization." Ibn Arabi -
Spiritual Warfare replied to Spiritual Warfare's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
That’s not entirely accurate; ideas emerge from what already exists—everything is inherently present within existence. All that is exists within the realm of nothingness; nothing lies outside of this. Furthermore, God is bound by logic, as it is inherently impossible for God to destroy itself—such an act would contradict the very principles of logic. -
Thanks for calling me normie lol. Looking back I think my particular case was a little more extreme than the average normie that stumbles upon relativism When I first realized the true nature of meaning, value, and purpose, it felt as if the very foundation of my reality had collapsed. Meditation already had begun this process, but your video on understanding these concepts burst my bubble in an aggressive and blunt way. Something which was definitely not the right time for or something that I was looking for at that moment, but I already was aware that curiosity kills the cat when I went down that rabbithole. It was as if knocking over the first domino led to the rapid, uncontrollable, unstoppable collapse of my entire conceptual framework of reality. Once I realized that certain things were mere social, cultural, linguistic or human constructs, it didn’t take long for me to question EVERYTHING ELSE in my life or that I was capable of thinking of, leaving me with a profound sense of absolute groundlessness, and a freedom SO VAST that it was ABSOLUTELY TERRYFING. One of the most insidious aspects of this relativism was how my ego hijacked it for self-serving purposes. When nothing holds inherent meaning, the ego can rationalize any behavior, no matter how destructive or self-defeating. I found myself trapped in this mindset, using relativism to justify my fears, addictions, and self-destructive habits. Even though I knew, on some level, that judgments, rejection, and failure "shouldn't matter," I remained paralyzed by these fears. The ego thrived on the infinite double standards relativism allowed, twisting logic to maintain its grip. I would rationalize that personal development was pointless, meaningless, and biased, making no sense to pursue. Growing up, I was deeply absorbed in video games. 10+ years of WoW. 5 years of LoL , besides of dozens of other videogames. The stories, quests, currencies, characters, competition, victories, defeats within those games were incredibly real to me, not just pixels on a screen. They provided real sense of progress, purpose and achievement. Realizing that these experiences were mere constructions was painful. It shattered the illusion I had built around them and took away a lot of enjoyment and escapism. Some realizations like that my parents gave me my name, and that it could have been anything else, as of today seems so obvious and a surface level insight, but it's actually not obvious. I bet more than 3/4 of the human population is not aware of that and truly belives their name is real and belongs to them. I realized that things don't have names, that we create them with arbitrary sounds and symbols and concepts, and that different things are called different ways in different languages, and we just use this system for comunication. It's not truth. I realized that morality, ethics, manners , good or bad are relative, that the law is groundless and relative ( and why it exists ) , that possessions aren't real but social and mental constructs, that countries don't exist, money is a construct, that time is subjective and age doesn't really exist. These realizations only worsened my sense of confusion and disorientation at the time. I was 21 years old and had just started living on my own for the first time, fresh out of school. The world of meanings that had defined my life—exams, grades and worrying about what my classmates thought of me—crumbled away. Academia and the sense of safety it provided revealed themselves to be nothing more than a game and an illusion. The importance I had placed on these things disintegrated, leaving me feeling utterly groundless and foolish, like I had wasted all that time. As this process unfolded, I came to a realization that no matter what happens, everything is "absolutely okay." This insight led me to stop inhibiting my impulses, which inevitably pulled me toward distractions, addictions, and comfort. Days turned into weeks, and weeks into months as time flew by, and I found myself increasingly detached from any sense of purpose or direction. I stopped judging and moralizing my actions, instead choosing to simply observe whatever I was doing and go with it. This approach dissolved much of the internal resistance I once felt and allowed me to sink deeper into the present moment, for better or worse, which ended up just leading me to seek out comfort and pleasure while avoiding discomfort and pain. For weeks, I would lie in bed, utterly unmotivated and aimless. The female attention and aprooval I once craved stopped being meaningful. I convinced myself that day and night didn’t truly exist, so there was no reason to wake up at any specific time. I saw no point in maintaining basic hygiene or even wearing clothes the "right" way. I would go to the supermarket unshowered, wearing dirty clothes, messy hair and shirts backwards and inside out , rationalizing that there was no right or wrong way to dress. When I had a part time job at a restaurant, I remember letting some customers walk away without paying because in my mind it didn't matter. My sense of self-importance crumbled as well. I realized I was no more significant than a fly or a cockroach, and this realization left me feeling profoundly insignificant and purposeless. Even ending my own life literally didn't make sense, something I never considered seriously. This extreme relativism led me to a state of profound laziness but also access to unconditional happiness. I found that I could lie in bed for months, feeling ecstatic, almost like what I imagine being high on heroin is like, without needing to do anything to achieve this happiness. This was an absolute ambition killer. The sense of meaninglessness was so deeply embedded in my mind that any attempt to take action felt like a distraction, causing emotional resistance. It was as if taking any step away from doing nothing would shatter the fragile peace I had found in this state of inaction. I didn't know who or what I was anymore. I realized that identity, what you yourself identify as, is absolutely groundless and are just meaningless or self-constructed labels. The one thing that didn't crumble was my sexuality. I considered that if absolute relativity is true then everyone is in actuality pansexuaI. But in practice I was just not attracted to men. Period. I didn't need identify as a man , adult or human for the validity truthfulness of my feelings of attraction and preference to whatever I perceived as an attractive female. This shift also marked a clear and sharp transition from analytical thinking to a primarily intuitive approach to life. Intuition gradually became my core mode of operation, guiding my decisions and shaping my reality. I began to connect with and respect my emotions in a way I hadn’t before. Emotions became central to my experience, driving my choices and dictating how I engaged with the world. At that time, this intuitive, emotion-driven way of living was deeply ingrained in me, and emotions, feelings, and intuition were the only ground I could rely on. The descent into relativism also isolated me from others, as I saw them as characters in a game - NPCs, unaware of the constructed nature of their realities. It was a lonely existence, like living in a "Truman Show" where everyone else was oblivious to the truth. Every person I encountered was locked into their own paradigm of understanding the world, unconscious of the constructed nature of their reality. No one would understand me. I couldn't relate to anyone and actually people would judge me and reject me for thinking or talking in these ways. People said I was depressed, when actually I felt more sane than them but confused. This descent into nihilism and relativism eventually pushed me toward "mysticism". As I understood the nature of meaning, language, and concepts, I also deeply understood I didn’t know what anything was anymore; I faced deep not-knowing. I intuitively began practicing "neti neti" meditation and "actuality meditation," which led to temporary heightened states of consciousness and experiences of non-symbolic awareness. These practices helped me trascend the conceptual limits of the mind and connect with a reality beyond words, thoughts and even perception, leading to things like seeing the ox' tail with what I think is a samaddhi experience ( this entire " perception bubble" is made out of the" same stuff" , even "me", the observer, is made out of the same " stuff ") , the insight that thoughts literally APPEAR INTO EXISTENCE from pure nothingness in the most direct way possible, and later some accidental astral projection. I also realized that non-duallity is so non dual it entails duallity, which just mindf*cked me again, and that I was engaging in spiritual bypasing. Eventually, though the pass of time, the school of hard knocks, awareness , trial and error and tremendous amounts of confusion and needless suffering, , I began to see that while all things might be meaningless, there is a universal law of cause and effect. Both cause and effect are meaningless in themselves, but they have real consequences nevertheless, and I personally have real preferences toward certain consequences over others. To deny that would be self-deception. It's obvious but it did not make sense for so long. For instance, I would rather be free than in jail. This is a child-mind level insight I had to re-learn. I realized that being bummed out by meaninglesness is a mental fallacy. Meaninglesness is meaninglessness, not negative. These realizations helped me begin to rebuild my life by recognizing that life itself operates with a deeper intelligence that transcends these constructs, with inherent logic and rules that we discover through trial and error and direct experience. I realized that relativism doesn’t hold up in the practical world; it’s only a limitation of the mind, logic, conceptual frameworks, and language. Being locked in this experience and perspective of being · an alive human being · comes with specific biases and preferences. Something obvious but aparently, not so obvious. This going full cirlcle understanding allowed me to see the limits of Relativism and Nihilism : They overlook nature's nature. hence my signature
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Water by the River replied to Spiritual Warfare's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Why the heck is the drama like it is? A drama in 10 Acts. Act 1: God IS. Infinite Being/Consciousness/Reality IS. Always. Eternal. I am that I am. Nowhere else to go for "It", because It would and is already be there. (True) You can't have an outside. (True) YOU are. I am that I am. The Being speaking to Moses had realized that: "One day he ventured farafield while pasturing his sheep and ended up on the slopes of Mount Horeb, the “Mountain of God.”70 There, as everyone knows, he saw a strange sight: a plant that appeared to have a flame burning in its center, though it was not consumed by the fire. When he drew closer to get a better look at this marvel, he heard the plant call him by name. “I am here,” Moses answered, whereupon the burning plant told him to take off his shoes, “ … for the place on which you stand is holy ground. I am the God of your fathers…” (Figure 30). The god-plant [aka psychedelic plant,WbtR], then told Moses that he had a task for him." Carl Ruck, The Apples of Apollo. Act 2: Any separate-self has as main building block resistance to what is. When you truly empty out your relative arising self (the illusion), boredom gets cut off (its a negative resistance + a conceptual interpretation on top, all of that are appearances happening within Infinite True You). And all the other interpretations and reactions also, and they get replaced by the Sat Chit Ananda bliss of True Being. Which is also just fact. The True Being of God is Sat Chit Ananda. Any resistance and suffering is just the illusion of the ignorant ego. That becomes totally clear when these awakened states have become accessible in a stable way. Act 3: Indras Net, and the One (Infinite) without a second Apparently, other perspectives of YOUR Infinite Net of perspectives/holons/being (Indras Net), which YOU forget in real-time (you need just one more dimension for these other beings you forget in real-time), manifest this whole show (the so called Archetypes (in former times Gods/Deities or Platos Archetypes, nowadays Leos Aliens of various kinds, see Bache, LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven, or the books of Stan Grof). These beings/perspectives have an Intelligence which makes a human appear very limited. Some like to call it alien. Some divine. Some archetypal. Yet, its all True You at the same time. How all of that has to be necessarily ones own True Being is paradoxical from the un-enlightened perspective, yet no problem when "other" falls away in Enlightenment as just a conceptual-arising. Or more precisely, I-feelings and I-thoughts and projecting "other-feeling" and "other-concepts" on "something" arising in ones True Nondual Infinite Being drops away. Act 4: Chris Bache, LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven: “Just to put this into perspective,” I was in a condition of consciousness that might best be described as “ancient.” Surveying what had been unfolding through billions of years of evolution and what would be emerging in humanity’s future, I was not so much in the material domain as in a domain that was responsible for generating material reality. Matter always exists at a specific time, but I was encompassing many time-moments simultaneously and so was stretched across time. The experience carried with it a sense of being “timefilled” or “ancient.” In the middle of this grand tour, it was as if something said, “Just to put this into perspective,” and then the most extraordinary thing happened. The physical universe began to be folded up and put away. It was as simple as that, like one puts away Christmas decorations after the holidays. The physical universe, planets surging with vitality, whole galaxies teeming with life, started to be folded up and slipped into a background of total EMPTINESS. I immediately recognized that this was the Primal Void. I was being shown that matter and time are not ultimately real, that they emerge from and are at every moment sustained by something that is more real, something completely without form. As the universe got smaller with each fold, I could feel billions of life-forms being slipped into the folds of the Void, and a protest rose within me. I did not want to let go of all this exquisitely beautiful form, everything that had been so painstakingly crafted through billions of years of evolution. Indeed, it was my love for the physical universe that seemed to precipitate this extreme lesson—as if to break the spell that physical creation had on me, seen as I had seen it in the broad sweep of its evolutionary glory. My protests changed nothing, however, and the universe’s bursting vitality became fainter with each fold. As the universe continued to shrink, my experience began to shift to what was swallowing it. What had been background was becoming foreground and capturing my attention. It was SILENCE like I had never experienced silence before. It was STILLNESS more still than I had ever known. And most strange of all, I experienced its emergence as a REMEMBERING. I was remembering something that it seemed I had lost contact with billions of years ago. The shock of remembering something so ancient left me stunned. In one second, it completely transformed my sense of what I was. Our memories define the boundaries of our being. In one sudden movement, I was remembering a sea of Infinite Formlessness that was the source of all Form, including my own form, and I knew that this was what “I” at root was. Act 5. Chris Bache,. LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven: Then “God” asked me, “Is it all for nothing? Have we not learned anything? The Jolts of Non-Being Flowing on the energy of the universe, suddenly everything was turned off and then on again. Everything that is, suddenly was not—POW—then was again. This happened repeatedly. The universe kept vanishing. The jolts were the winking out of Being into Non-Being. In the cessation of the universe, all the world’s striving, yearning, and suffering was suddenly thrown into a new perspective. This was the substance of God. The question is not “Why are we doing it?” The question is “Why is God doing it?” Why is God unfolding himself/herself/itself as the universe? What is it for? In this burgeoning of life, God seemed to be knowing himself. “Either it’s this teaming mass of life or it’s this!”—POW—Nothingness. Either the One becoming our infinitely rich universe, or the Void. Then “God” asked me, “Is it all for nothing? Have we not learned anything?” and he turned as if to ponder his failure. This shattered me and I wept. Non-Being and Being were two different modes of God. In the choice of Being, there unfolded the entirety of life as it is, with all its mysteries, pains, and pleasures. It all seemed to be about learning. “Have we not learned anything?” I felt shattered by the vastness of God’s adventure in knowing himself. All the galaxies had continued to turn while I was in hell today. Suns flared into supernovas, and all this was him. Nothing was not him. “Have we not learned anything?” I was silenced. Act 6: Chris Bache, LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven: “Have we not learned anything?” This time it carried overtones of: “Has it not been worthwhile? Has it not been an adventure? Look what would not exist if we had not chosen to create.” This mysterious progression repeated itself many times and in many variations. It continued for hours. I would be at one level of reality far beyond physical diversity, and as I sought to know this reality more deeply, I would experience a kind of dying, a falling away, and would slip into a new level where I would discover that this duality too was but another facet of Myself. Over and over again, in detailed progressions, I was led to the same fundamental encounter. No matter how many times I died or how many different forms I was when I died, I kept being caught by this massive SOMETHING, this IT. I could not leave IT, could not escape IT, could not not be IT. No matter how many adventures I had been on, I had never stepped outside IT, never stopped being IT. There simply was no outside to My Being. There was no other in existence. As I moved into these levels of increasing ontological simplicity, I entered a profound stillness that reawakened a distant, vague memory. “Where have I known this before?” By following this stillness, I was guided back to what seemed like a time before creation, back to the ontological fount of creation. In this stillness, I was “with Myself” in ways that I had been long ago, but not for billions of years. It was a time of reunion, a time of being whole after a terribly long separation. From this extraordinary position, I began to actually be able to conceive of the possibility of the physical universe not having been created. The alternatives stood starkly before me. On one side was all the planning, all the work, all the confusion and uncertainty, and especially all the terrible suffering that was so fresh in my mind from earlier in the session. On the other side was the profound stillness and richness that was my current state. Why do it? Why manifest the universe if at such a cost? An answer rose that was the same as I had been given before, in session 15: “Have we not learned anything?” This time it carried overtones of: “Has it not been worthwhile? Has it not been an adventure? Look what would not exist if we had not chosen to create.” This time I was not shattered, for the choice of creation seemed profoundly good. The thought that the entire physical universe might not have existed carried with it a terrible sadness. From this perspective, I was also able to feel that there was no fundamental flaw in the manifest order of creation. Despite all the suffering, everything was moving along fine—though it is profoundly unfinished. I continued to ask my questions: “What is happening here?” “How does this work?” “What has it been like for you?” With each question, my experiential field changed, opening me to one cosmic process after another. I cannot describe these experiences adequately because the categories of thought derived from space-time do not lend themselves to remembering clearly or translating into words experiences of realities that lie outside space-time. Though my ordinary waking consciousness is being gradually changed by these experiences, it is still too cognitively restricted to be able to hold on to them in sufficient detail. What I experienced, however, repeatedly swept me into ecstasy. “Amazing!” “So that’s how that works!” “Oh, goodness!” “How much do you want to see?” I was asked. “More!” I answered, and always more would unfold. It kept unfolding for hours. Act 7: Chris Bache, LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven: “Go and create, My Children.” Let me backtrack to another layer of the experience. As I was re-assimilating my lives and ascending through various levels, I was also entering into intimate dialogue with a Presence that addressed me. It communed with me and “spoke” to me in messages that were only sometimes put into words. It was explaining to me what I was experiencing not so much with words but with direct illumination. When I reached the point of Diamond Light, I was lifted beyond physical existence and beyond the bardo echoes of physical existence. It felt like I had reassimilated all my incarnations on Earth, that I had brought back into one all my experiences in duality. From this point, which carried the flavor of both before and after physical existence, the Presence illumined for me the human project. With the deepest, most tender words of a divine parent, It said: “Go and create, My Children.” It was setting us loose in a cosmos that contained many realms. The one I had just reemerged from was only one among many universes, some of which were physical, others not. We were small aspects of this Being, truly Its children, of the same type, only smaller in size and capacity. Act 8. Water by the River sits in Sat Chit Ananda on a park bench, relaxes the self-contraction of his former character-gig into Infinite Liberation of True Being, looking at all beings who believe in their separation and whose suffering and resistance keeps the whole gig going. He remembers quoting from Chris Baches incredible journey told in "LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven", and how he had to pass the Ocean of Suffering on his high-dose-LSD-journey before any of these higher realms which detailed the Karmic mechanisms and the reasons for manifestation (even if it means initial suffering) were disclosed for him. This time, however, I was refusing to surrender to the pain and rejected everything that was happening to me. Eventually, I was backed up against a psychological wall and was told that if I persisted in rejecting the suffering, I would be turning my back on humanity, on life itself. To not care seemed to be the ultimate existential withdrawal from life. With multiple scenarios echoing this refrain, I was being confronted with an absolute choice of whether to open to this pain or not. At this point, my “No” changed to a “Yes.” This transition felt like a conversion in the deepest religious sense. In the middle of terrible suffering I found myself saying, “Yes! I can make a difference. Yes! I accept responsibility.” I was accepting responsibility for the anguish and for trying to make a difference in the lives surrounding me. This shift was fundamental. It reached to depths I cannot now fathom and impacted me in ways I cannot summarize. It seemed a free choice on the most basic of questions. With this acceptance, the torment suddenly changed to positive themes. Themes of young children—happy excitement, delighted play, self-abandoned joy. Many scenarios of childhood wonder and adventure. This was the beginning of a “new way.” It contrasted with the former negative way in every respect. It was simple instead of chaotic, shared instead of individual, fresh instead of repetitive. I felt cleansed and made new. (S 17) Apparently, the high-dose LSD psychedelic journey seemed to demand something like a Bodhisattva-Comittment in order to open these divine-realms and the mechanics of archetypal creation-realms, Karma & reincarnation, which apparently don't get opened so much (if at all) with other psychedelic like 5-MeO. Maybe God has left some safety-elements in place so that Liberation from the egoic separate-self-contraction can not so easily be achieved if it all is done only for the separate-self gig and its curiosity in "understanding". Act 9: Where there is not THIS, there is only suffering Act 10: Harada-Roshi to Yaeoko, in Three Pillars of Zen, Kapleau: Now for the first time. "Now for the first time you have found the Way—fully realized your Mind. You have been delivered from delusion, which has no abiding root. Wonderful! Wonderful! There is neither Ox [God/Reality as object out there]nor man [separate self]." So who exactly is reading these words again? Who is reading these lines? Which is that silent Awareness having it all appearing in its Infinite and eternal Being? And did it all ever truly happen? And who said to Chris Bache “Go and create, My Children”? Selling the drama by the River -
Ajax replied to Princess Arabia's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
What is nothing? It means Not-things. In other words, not a thing. For something to be a thing it is composed of 2. Two is the smallest thing that can exist in the universe. Therefore..anything that is a thing is not a thing but something that you put there to make a thing. That is the essence of nothingness. Existence is a thing. Therefore, it is not you. It is something that you put there. For anything to continue, to change it must be a thing. Motion is a thing, change is a thing, energy is a thing. Experience is a thing. Thought is a thing. Those “things” are not you. You put it there. It is simply an idea. Ideas don’t exist until you put it in existence using matter, energy, space and time for the purpose of creating an experience. Essentially, Existence is a game(thing). You vrs You(note: you vrs you is a thing). Experience is the result (also a thing). With this data in mind, you can realize god is the Creator of ideas. And the creator of things. And the Creator of problems. A problem is simply a contest. One idea vrs a counter idea. Shakespear’s Hamlet once pondered… is suicide better than an unfortunate life? “To be, or not to be. That is the question.” [Hamlet Act 3, Scene 1] Well, he was on to something. However, I would like to change that for a second. After all questions and decisions are simply two parts of a problem. If you know the solution, you don’t have a problem after all. To be or not to be. That is the decision. It is choice we make with every action, thought and activity that we face or encounter. Are we going to be the cause, creator and master of our existence and experience or the effect of it? Every action has an opposite and equal reaction. Existence is simply a disagreement whither to be or not to be. Every play the game as a child where one kid would say.. yes. Yes. Yes. And the other says. No. No. No? You split one half of your existence of an idea to say yes I AM GOD the other half says NO I AM NOT. Your job as a life entity is to decide whether I am or I am not. To the extent that you know you are god without exception… you will know god. To the extent that you don’t know that you are god… there are areas in your life where you have given into the argument that you are not god. You have parts in this “thing” you call existence that are dead. To be is to live. To not be is to die. Here is an exercise: 1. Spot a problem that you have. 2. Write down something about that problem you can easily face without avoiding or flinching(to be).[what can I confront?] 3. Write something down that you would prefer NOT to easily face without avoiding or flinching(not to be).[What do I prefer not to confront?] 4. Repeat the first 3 steps until you have a realization. (I suggest you start with an easy, nonthreatening problem; a minor problem… but you can easily do the process with a “larger problem” if you are brave.) You will find that although you know that you are god to some extent and god does exist. There are many ideas and opinions and decisions that you hold on to that make you believe you are not god because there are things in your human life that you prefer NOT to BE,DO and HAVE. After all God in their native state have no limitations… right? The simple reason any person can not easily define god and know God is because they are holding on to some idea that they are not god. They refuse(are unwilling) to admit they are god that they are source, creation, cause and knowingness. After all, we know that god knows all and sees all… but what if god refuses to look? Then God simply is pretending that he isn’t god because he refuses to look and create blinders and barriers to the knowledge he is god. -
Keryo Koffa replied to Spiritual Warfare's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Leo Gura is a DMT entity, with some sneaky plans. He's skillfully executing the alien assimilation program. First, he hooks you with all the self-development content. Then he inspires you through enlightenment and awakening. So then finally you're awe-struck when he reveals that you're God. But that's not it either, the actual real deal is the Infinite Alien Awakening. He's trying to bend your psyche into an alien mold and catch you off guard. And then he's gonna steal your humanity to drag you into the depths of Alien Abyss. You're going to be dissociated into nothingness, assimilated by unity, and morphed to infinity. -
Right, if I understand you correctly, this perspective is similar to the point I’m trying to make. Just like @Leo Gura says ‘no legs, no pants, no problem’. Yet, if I see the ‘form’ Leo walking around. There will be legs, and most likely, there will be pants. Right? Unless you’re THAT wild. @UnbornTao and yes, the possibility to eliminate beliefs sounds great. Yet, when you’re in a conversation with someone, words are still being said, right? However awake, detached, loose, the ideas are held, surely there is still some general philosophy that acts as your operating system? These examples are symptoms of the underlying idea; No matter how deeply one gets grounded into nothingness, there will still be some form that appears, right? That’s actually what I’ve been really enjoying about the tantric perspective. Yes, be deeply rooted in the formless. But don’t reject the form, fully infuse your consciousness into that form. Feel it. Live it. Live the human experience.
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Someone here replied to enchanted's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Keep it our little secret .🤫 In 2018 Leo was about to kill himself in the bathtub overdosing on 5 Meo and take the whole universe with him into a singularity of nothingness and Love. -
gettoefl replied to Spiritual Warfare's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
best not to attack it but rather let it be and see through its nothingness attack is a trap -
Hojo replied to enchanted's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Ishanga there are two things nothing and something, there are two seperates nothing and something there is a void of nothing and there is a simulation. thats how you differentiate them. If you are experiencing something you are in the simulation if you arent you are experiencing nothing outside of the simulation. You are the link between them. You are God both states conciousness. Nothingness. and everything. You are 100 percent focused on your reality because you are creating it.