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So, you think you are enlightened? I was born enlightened. You say the Bhagavad Gita is symbolic of the inner fight, that every human has between the ego and the divine? I call bs. It is revelation that war is inevetible and divine. Here is story of the true spiritual king warrior: As to be of service to humanity I allowed myself to forget that I am a 6th density Cosmic white Nobility being from a star castle in a galaxy far away. As a male child I was raped by reptilian humanoids and small greys in my parallel life and got psychic abilities, inwhich I recently discovered by deciphering a decade old channeled message. I was on three 20&backs. Meaning, I got transported to other planets to serve for the military conglomerate as an intuitive empath. After 20 years of service, I was age regressed and transported back in time to where I got picked up. Now that happened 3 times in a row. My body became so frail of this service that when the Mayan breakaway civilisation picked me up, they were not allowed to heal me due to insufficient karma. Then the Anshar from inner earth took me in. On a crystal table I was greeted by a priestess, she had a phallic crystal that she waved in front of me, then all shadow beings flew away from my body. At that moment I remembered my mission. My mission is to upgrade the civilisation of humanity. To see if humanity is ready I started an experiment: On the east coast. My Heart disciples would practice - Total celibacy - Run ultra marathons - Bombard news agencies when I was hungry to be in the spotlight. - Do "crimes" when their Guru demanded ( like smuggling exotic animals into my hidden zoo in one of my 4 houses). On the west coast. My Mind disciples would practice - Sex in public - do drugs and alchohol - Help the homeless by giving them a chance to vote in our community. - Do crimes behind Gurus back, but in favor of Guru. ( like poisoning politicians and doctors that give drugs to Guru) By the Guidance of Archangel Michael. I teach my students the Zen Buddhist way of releasing attachment through bowel movement. The explosive ones can heal trauma. Do not forget to pee in your bathtub while bathing, that is to gain Siddhis along the way. My disciples do not need to meditate or practice loving thoughts. They are all entitled to Rainbow body status when the sun sends a magical pulse. I do not remember which year each star sends a pulse but it will happen "very soon". Then I will be ambassador for welcoming the aliens to earth by Trump. I deserve it, I worked hard! For my temples around the globe and for my disciples who cannot be near my feet. They will have a picture of me in a state of Samadhi. They will meditate on the picture with half open eyes. At home they will meditate on my picture. If they want to whatever reason discard the picture, they must let it out into the sea, for it is holy. Good boys and girls get a statue of me placed in their city, babies are called the newbie disciples. For 333$ anyone can purchase my course on the astral body chakra system. I once singlehandedly infiltrated a movement to change all the eastern spiritual scriptures for my Clairvoyant visions. There i introduced my book on chakras, later the movement split into 4 parts, such an impact I made! At my spare time. We catch Celebrities in public to take a photo with me. Then hang the pictures around my temples, so my followers know that we are the real deal. Then I go to the gym and lift 9000 pound weights with one arm while my disciple takes a picture at the right angle #mindovermatter. My disciples morning meditation is to visualize me winning the Nobel peace prize, my disciples in the UN work to make it happen, cause I deserve it. When I take a rest, I put my cool sunglasses on and take a selfie while I fight Satan and his shadow army on the astral plane. I have a blogger to post this story to reveal my amazing lightwarrior status. As a side hustle. I livestream every week about my (prophetic) dreams from 1999, inwhich i tie to current political situation and the insider Qanon. While i send cryptic messages to the resistance movement, from another planet, inside earth, that no resus monkey brain can understand. Do not forget the big superchats, they put a smile on my face! The divine mother put me in a position to recieve money from you. So that you can practice giving. I could easily go to casino and manifest money, but I would not take away your collective learning of giving. My guides give me the opportunity to practice humility through luxury. For 1 million in donation. You get a ticket to my retreat + a 1 hour dinner with me. For 3 million in donation. All the above + a thank you note. For 5 million in donation. All the above + a shoutout from our sponsor GaiaTv. Rollce Royce donations are also appreciated. I recently got a chemical by mail. I intuitively administrated it rectaly and experienced ultimate states of couscioussness, never seen by anyone in the universe, in my bathtub. Now I attained mahasamadhi by inducing a heart attack on my body. # (Between % and # are stories and claims made by (mostly self-proclaimed) spiritual teachers, Prophets, Avatar and the most awakened human on the planet. Obviously the claims are not quoted exactly as they said it, but it is mixed into this one character of unfathomable stupidity. One common thread amongst these claims is one word: America. ) Thus I present to you, Master America. 🇺🇸 I hope no one has yet claimed that title.

I’m curious to your thoughts on using psychedelics in the path. To some it seems like catalyst, to others a huge delusion and distraction/addiction (Aubrey Marcus comes to mind) What hangs me up is that they can never permanently change your state or keep you awakened. They also seem aggressive on your nervous system. And come with high risk. Many great teachers - Ramana , Wilber, Yogananda, Sahajananda, Ralston, Igor, Rupert, Adyashanti who live in awakened states of consciousness never recommend psychedelics. My take is that they are helpful to open the mind and show what’s possible, but like Alan Watts says hang up the phone once you got it

The photos have a strange beauty to them, showing the power of standing for something and also the depth of consciousness in that monk. @Emotionalmosquito I def agree most awakened people would suffer less but still even the most awakened would have a serious disdain toward being tortured and not just be blissed out. At best they’d go into Witness Consciousness to get through it

Well, see this. Say I kidnap you and we go to my torture chambers. If I really tortured you, there will come a point where you will beg for me to stop, and you will cry and implore for me to return you to your life. Even if your life is average, and you are a cynic(not saying this is the case just an example lol), an egotist, and you have financial problems, you will beg for me to return you to your average life. In this begging, the burried love is revealed. Avoidance of pain is subconscious love. Love doesn't need to be hot(like in an orgarsm or psychedelic experience), love can be subtle, and it can even be hidden and unconscious. Most people does not experience hot love in daily life(like I imagine an awakened person experience) but I would say most experience unconscious love, which is basically fear and avoidance of pain lol.

Even an awakened person will suffer deeply if they are tortured. I don’t give a shit how conscious they are

I think it def gets fun after you break all your habits, delusions, and addictions which can be quite painful and require grinding. Or else everyone would be awakened and happy which is not the case. But I see your point. It’s a balancing act but it does get to a point (at least IME) where the disciplines become fun in themselves they are no longer a grind. I also agree it’s highly subjective and one must listen to themselves. I’ve gotten the clear message/warning to drop psychedelics and it’s working great for me. I have no desire to go back

How else should I take anything? I'm a person right? Isn't that the fun of it? Look..you're right sitting around here all day is going to get you absolutely nowhere when it comes to truth. However it will get you much further than a philosophy class in college. Those classes suck. Here you get advanced material from awakened beings. There you get an average professor in a rat race for the highest salary. So there is that. The discussions here are productive- but they won't get you to Absolute Truth. If you want that - again do the practices.

Doesn't matter. Youre assuming I don't feel pain and feel like a human. You're assuming I'm saying I'm a dead weight that doesn't have feelings. You're assuming that I've never had things happen to me and how I was la-de-la-da about shit. You don't know what my experience has been like. You don't know what this body has gone and been through. You think I'm just speaking like an Absolutist and going off of non-duality bullshit. Let me tell you something, you have no idea so don't tell me UNTIL IT HAS FUCKING HAPPENED TO ME. You didn't even ask me first if it has happened to me but you're saying until.....this is how I know you're just emotionally responding. Responding to who you don't know other than some forum talk. I haven't been tortured, no, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is I have a deep understanding of what's going on here and I'm not going to fucking butter it up to suit human fucking ego like yours who just wants to feel good and be in bliss all the time. Life doesn't work that way. You're a delusional energetic structure that is part of the whole yes, but that's what makes you delusional, you have no idea who or what you are, and you want to PROJECT that unto "others". I won't let you or others drag me down into the pot of boiling water with your delusions and spiritual fantasies. Nothing specific has to happen to me for me to recognize or realize certain things. If your best argument against truth is "until it happens to you", then truth is not what you fucking seek. It's to feel, better about the impersonal experience you're having and resisting what is to soothe that miserable dis-eased egoic structure wrapped around that tightly constricted and contracted energy that is so tightly woven together it cannot free itself be cause it's too wrapped up into what it thinks it is - someone with a life that lives in a universe people and that needs to change itself and the world so it can feel good about it's non-existence and illusory nature called a fucking self. Go away and let me be. I'm not with your stupid clan of arrogant and narcissistic, delusional, neurotic clan of humans that cannot take a little suffering and always searching for some feel-good chemical to soothe that crying baby syndrome you all have because you think the world was made for you and your family to be comfortable in and be happy all the time. Life doesn't see you and your silly human games of "I wanna feel good", so go away with that and let me be in my impersonhood and take whatever life is throwing my way because I'm 'awakened' enough to realize it's not about me because I'm just imagining my personhood and I'm OK with it. It's not personal.

Great point and definitely a part of the many facets of awakening! It fair to say that an awakened person is aware of their emotions and isn't run by them. There's infinitely more to awakening also.

A good sign of an awakened person is he is definitely free from attachment and toxic emotions. Like for example someday you feel that you have high energy or strong Aura and people feel uncomfortable In your presence yet you don't bully them. An unaware person uses his High energy to annoy others.

In everyday life, most humans use language (a tool for representing reality (symbol + imagination); language enables thought that shapes energy; it is what allows us to "make sense"; the illusion of time) to explain reality with a relatively common degree of holism on different subjects. Some humans (like Carl Jung, for example) are closer to a state that could almost be described as psychotic, meaning they play at "languagifying" reality by shifting attention to a higher degree of holism, which brings the object down into the depths of holarchy, from a subjective point of view. I'm not talking about an increase in the distance between pure reality and language, a hypertrophy of the mass of language, which would ultimately be counterproductive because the more you made language in one specific dirrection, the less the attention can come back to a more holistic form, just like spending your life saying that you are on a political side dissuades you, if not distances you from the possibility of being more nuanced. Nietzsche and Kant produced a lot of concepts, but they're all pointless rubbish, at least in the context of our time; they probably had small brains. (Brain size/number of nerve cells = Holism; distance between reality and language = oxphos; if you want to manifest a bigger brain, you have to operate with a higher degree of holism.) Ken Wilber or Jung are even easier to read but still much more intelligent/holistic. To return to my multidimensional thinking, for example, normally, to explain your day, you'd say that you got up, ate a pain au chocolat, and got angry listening to a politician on the radio. In multidimensional thinking, this becomes something like: "The source created (awakened) humans (Valentin), who have their energy stolen by the reptilians." Technically, Valentin is at least a reptilian hybrid, so he's influenced by them, but since the evil reptilians who partially control Valentin don't give a damn about his well-being, he finds himself ranting about politics and being in a low-frequence in general, rather than gardening while drinking beer with his girlfriend. Valentin is also an Annunaki hybrid; when he makes this thread, he's under the influence of the Annunaki, who use him as a slave to do things useful to their civilization, that is, a generally authoritarian egregor centered around knowledge. You see? 3D Thought: "Valentin eats a pain au chocolat and listens to politics." Multidimensional Thought: "Humans (hybrids) Hominids/Reptilians/Annunaki) are exploited by evil reptilians who love low frequencies." Chocolatine isn't necessarily good for health/life, even if everything is relative, so I'm probably also being exploited by a demon. When an archetype turns the cover too much on itself, death comes one way or another, probably to reincarnate in a closer form. All of this: Valentine, the demons, Annunaki, Reptilines is the same thing, that is, God/the source. If you tell yourself this is nonsense, it's because you're still thinking in a dual/3D way, as if it were true or not that there was "somewhere" an "Annunaki civilization"; all of this is language, fairy tales, which explains reality; not necessarily in a denser way and far removed from awakening/non-duality like in my example with Kant or Nietzsche; it's especially a higher degree of holism than with the objects "pain au chocolat" or "Politics".

@Razard86 How are you holding state? When one's human self dies, what state will he or she be in? See, could you be sleepy and enlightened? The question would be irrelevant in the first place. The notion of "state" doesn't really directly apply to consciousness, as the latter precedes the former. Would you be less (or more) awakened if you got drunk, or if you hit your head on the bathroom counter - or fell in love? There might be degrees of awakening, but those seem more related to the depth of a person's consciousness than to the truth itself. We're most likely already assuming ourselves to be "persons," too, to whatever degree. State itself is relative. I think you might be referring to (altered) mind states, which are invariably a function of biology - unless you're holding state differently - but how could they be absolute? State involves process and can (and does) change, because it's about perceptive-experience. For example, Sugarcoat brought up the brain. I propose that there's no such thing as "state" without a brain. But again, maybe we're using these terms differently. It's like the hardware and software of a computer, while consciousness is the electricity - so to speak.

@Natasha Tori Maru Something being unfalsifiable shoudn't diminish your interest on the topic. Actually it should increase. I know this topics might be boring for someone who loves the intellect, because you can't argue, you can't do much with it. Truth by definition cant be made false. You can't alter it no mather the circumstances. It is unfalsifiable. While I haven't grasped Solipsism in my being, I think the guys who are defending here might have done it. Like its something akin to being lucid in a dream, theres no doubt about it, you just KNOW it is true 100%. Doubts are gone. And even if you havent personally awakened to Solipsism it makes perfect sense if you analyse your life. Nothing has ever happened if you weren't there to experience. This is 100% the case. Even stuff "behind the scenes" they are only there because you are here. You are on the scene. Just my 2 cents.

So. Awakened vs enlightened " Leo created the difference for his convenience- Awakened allowed you to awaken hundreds of times. Enlightened happens at once. Not with psychedelics. @Razard86 = enlightened.

1. The guy is awakened, not enlightened (according to my enlightenment radar; if you disagree, you're obviously wrong). 2. I don't give a fuck. This is a problem about logic. You can be absolutely psychotic and enlightened at the same time. And it was said tongue in cheek, mirroring his condescending remark, except I made it direct instead of making it indirect, which is another brilliant tactic.

But didn't logic explain what Absolute truth is to you? What you know now of Absolute Truth must be logically or conceptually deduced. I'm not saying you haven't awakened. I'm saying that right now your notions of Absolute truth are no more Absolute then Solpsism.

You are getting lost in concept here if you want to become aware of what Solipsism is you have to understand the difference between actuality and concept and you HAVE TO BECOME AWARE OF NOTHINGNESS. You must have these realizations to understand Solipsism if you don't have this STATE change which makes it completely obvious that there was never any separation you will never know this information. Also in an earlier post you said when you physically die you will lose all content that's not what will happen go research Near Death Experiences, all that happens when you die as a human is you become Infinite Consciousness and become unlimited. You experience limitation as a human and then you experience the lack of limitation as God. Also and this is a big thing, ONLY YOU CAN AWAKEN. So you can literally experience physical death, become Infinitely Conscious and STILL BE DELUDED. If you don't fully accept yourself as God then nobody else can for you. This is why I recommend people take state altering substances, this belief that just do nothing and things will happen is horseshit. If I never walked the Spiritual Path I would NOT have awoken. The experience of Duality while an illusion IS SOMETHING YOU STILL HAVE TO WORK WITH. For example if I want to go swimming I'm not going to sit on my bed and meditate and think that the swimming will happen by meditating. I will get my butt up and go to a water source and swim. Awakening is exactly like that! No amount of forum posts are going to awaken you in general with only few exceptions. So here is something that will help. Go get an edible you can order it online the name of the company is Mood. Then take it and watch this video. Sit and listen to this video with a quiet mind. If you come up with any objections at this point you just don't wanna awaken. Anyone that tells you that awakening is ordinary (and it partly is no question) has not awakened deeply. This is absolutely the case with no question. TRUE AWAKENING is becoming aware of the RADICAL SUPERNATURAL POWER OF GOD. This is no small thing, this is literally the power to create UNIVERSES, please explain to me how that is ordinary? The only ordinary aspect of it, is your ordinary human existence is an expression of that Radical Power. So yes its ordinary, but it is also SUPER NATURAL.

Yes, because It's supposed to be the ultimate achievement and also the end of suffering, so people appear who sell it. It's a perfect place for narcissists, who partly believe what they say, but can't stand a profound critique of their mental framework without saying: "You don't understand because you haven't awakened." The issue of enlightenment doesn't have a globally accepted definition, and a consensus is currently emerging that it means identification with consciousness defining it as the screen where change arises.

"I mean, your description doesn't really sound like "enlightenment"." I guess it's just the way I was taught. "Before Enlightenment: Chop wood, carry water. After Enlightenment: Chop wood, carry water." The only difference is after we don't identify with all those emotions. We still have them though. We still have thoughts all day long. Just like the 'Before.' We just don't identify with them after we are done experiencing them. BTW, I think that being "Awakened" is a spiritual fantasy. Rather, it's in the process of being awakened. Because we are all human and we all blunder. I don't think a person can tell if someone is Enlightened or not. A child goes into a daydream and snaps out of it when the lunch bell rings. That day dream is long forgot. That's why I'm proposing that maybe it's more common than we think.

Have you awakened to nothingness? If you have not then you will not understand the point I am making. The closest I can get to proving an example is remember that time when you went into DEEP SLEEP and were no longer aware of your existence? That is what the substance of reality is made of. It's literally made up of that which does not exist. This is what is meant by you do not exist, your true nature is never affected by the world because the world cannot touch it. Your ego gives you the illusion of physicality. Everything is just pure imagination, until you become aware that everything is pure imagination which is literally nothing then you will always be confused about whether something can exist without. NOTHING can exist without you it's literally impossible and how you accomplish that impossibility is you tell yourself you are a human.

Ohhhhh so now you are saying there are two selves? Wait a minute James you are contradicting yourself now Also I don't suffer my life is going very well actually. Also what you don't know is TRUE BEING=DEATH. It doesn't have a self to even have a life. And then it is also LIFE because it is eternal and cannot die. So it is both Life and Death. The problem is you haven't awakened to both aspects, so you can only speak from your limited perspective.

@Princess ArabiaThey are being fed into my consciousness by God to annoy me. I see it alot more when I first awakened, dozens of them talking for hours per video saying the exact same thing over and over and over. On youtube or the answer you want in my own head.

@DodoHow I would explain that to me was that you were in an awakened state, you saw the interconnectedness and at the same time a deep psychological pattern/archetype in your ego was activated. The archetype for making sacrifices for the higher good. So this was a mix of ego and enlightenment, which can lead to delusional decisions. It is still unbelievable to see how you were not afraid to jump. I mean you were still in reality and knew the consequences. It needs immense force to do that. I am glad you slowly recover from that.

Hello, This post is one of the most interesting post you will see. I'm trying to do the opposite of what actualized.org teaches. I'm trying to quit meditation, I can't. I've tried to lie to myself and follow a belief system , I couldn't. I tried to quit the work several times , but every time I come back to either Actualized.org or Meditating. I'm posting this to ask you how to quit ? and why can't I ? I'm tired of not reaching Awakening, and at the same time being interested in Spirituality. I sit and watch my Breath every day, why do I keep doing it ? I thought like I've chosen this path at conscious will , but it seems now that the path got me in its trap.. I spend everyday at least a while meditating or contemplating about the nature of existence. I don't have problem doing that ,in fact my problem comes entirely from being tied to wasted effort. If I spend this time worrying about my future or my career , wouldn't I be better off ? The problem is I keep coming back to it , I come back to meditating , I observe my thoughts and don't engage with them , i try to contemplate. But at the end I'm not an awakened being , so Why am I wasting all this effort ? Did I choose the path , or did the path choose me ? I don't know. Does anybody suffer from the same problem ? I just want to live like a normal guy , but I can't ! I always come back to meditating , it's a form of addiction to me its embedded to my personality. What do you think my future will be ? Will I reach any kind of spiritual understanding ? Did you ever get stuck like that ? Is this a part of the process ? Sorry for the long rant, I am looking forward to see if someone relates.

@Someone here But that is only revealed to you if you are deeply conscious of it. You have to be awakened right now to know that. We live within the confides of the ego. I am very skeptical of people who say they are awakened because I know how deeply profound and tricky it is You can be in the moment and feel completely calm and present. Blissful. But this is not the same thing as actually being aware that this is the deepest truth. There’s a huge leap there consciously that you’re not considering. You can tell yourself that’s the case and feel good about it and intuit it but again that is not the same thing. A conscious opening has to happen where it actually feels true in your bones and in your soul absolutely. In that moment you are not human. On psychedelics you can get that but with waking consciousness you would have to be mystic. I don’t believe you have that level of awakening