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M: Nothing compels me. I do what needs doing. But you do so many unnecessary things. It is your refusal to examine that creates karma. It is the indifference to your own suffering that perpetuates it. Q: Yes, it is true. What can put an end to this indifference? M: The urge must come from within as a wave of detachment, or compassion. I suffer because I want to. Sort of. There's no reason, it's what is meant by the term "unconsciousness". There's an impersonal contraction in the body, out of which arises the need to know, the feeling as if it knows. Then I keep telling myself the story in thought rather than going into the feeling directly. I feel as if I'm responsible for it. So, I *should* go into the feeling. No. No one cares. No one is responsible for it. I am neither detached if I go into the feeling, nor compassionate (loving) of it.

Yeah bro but you have memories and are self-aware. Isn't God your higher self-awareness? Do you think that God is something impersonal which is separate from you (identity) and that's why you say that you never become it? Because God can experience nonduality while existing as everything. Duality is nothing but a mind problem when the Creator feels separate from its creation. You are God brosky.

I want to share with you a positive experience I had with “possession.” I believe the people responding here do not have any experience with spiritual entities, so they immediately discount what you say about your potential possession experience. On my first 5 gram mushroom trip, I accidentally invoked what I can only describe as a cephalopod goddess. I know this sounds strange, but it is my experience. At first, my teeth felt like they had turned to foam. I then lost sense of my body in the normal sense, and it felt like I had tentacles. I began making clicking sounds uncontrollably (speaking in tongues?) I had a very real sense that I had began operating in a non physical dimension. I was communicating with higher forms of intelligence in a way that completely transcended thought. This was all very positive, but my ego, body, and anything you’d call human beyond my eyesight (which was severely altered) was gone. At the end of the trip I went to get the food I had prepared for when the trip was over. When I went to reach for it I thought “it’s so strange to have to do things physically again.” I think if you are more careful with your next trip you should be fine. It’s not a bad idea the meditate and pray beforehand. I’d pray to whatever positively oriented God or being you resonate with. Pray for protection. I’ll link a video that helps to describe the nature of demons which I personally believe to be real. A lot of the people here believe in impersonal forms of spirituality that do not discuss demons or angels much. You have to ask yourself why billions of human beings would believe in something that has no basis in reality.

God has infinite qualities. In this way, Reality possesses both personal and impersonal qualities. Furthermore, instead of there being a rigid divide between personal and impersonal qualities, the two are on the same spectrum.

Personal and impersonal are only thoughts, beliefs.

1) A "personal" god usually refers to a god that cares about you if you have faith in god. 2) Another form of god is impersonal, an energy or essence behind nature which doesn't care about things, it is not human-like in that regard 3) "You are God 1" everything is personal and derives from you there is no other consciousness but yours 4) "You are God 2" , "you" means all of consciousness, everything is also personal 5) "You are God 2" , "you" means all of consciousness, "personal" is a meaningless concept So depending on which god you believe in.

I know what your asking. DMT shows you that you are not as much as a "person" as you once thought, and also that the universe is not as much of an "impersonal machine" as you once thought. This is one way in which I do understand non-duality. Dumb vs personal. I think I grasp this...what we know a "person" to be is actually just a complex composition of what we know "impersonal" stuff to be. Enough rocks and dust and molecules in the right formation, we get a "person"

Obviously it's both personal and impersonal. It's everything.

Yeah, the story is deeply, intimately personal. It'll make you laugh, cry, both at the same time, it has meaning and purpose, etc. But it's just a story. It never happened, it isn't happening, there's no substance or reality there and no one for it to happen to. There's no character in actuality, it's all a dream, it's creative fiction so in that sense it's impersonal because there's no person, no character. Everything and every happening has to have a character in order to experience it in the story, someone has to appear in the story for it to have life, to be told. BUT the character itself is a fiction. What does this mean? It means you can enjoy the story knowing that anything is possible and everything is completely ok. Even when it seems it's not, it's OK.

Mm. In the relative field it's all about relationship, but there are dimensions of nothingness, which few know, except sometimes in bed, where it's just quiet and peaceful and impersonal.

Sometimes a difference raised between belief in a personal gods or belief in impersonal god/s Also, looking at a given tradition, they might answer a question regarding god or deities if asked but depending on the tradition they may not talk about god/s in their everyday teachings. To others it is central

@James123 after awakening. It is ALL personal, without an opposite This personal is wholeistic - not egoic/partial/body-mind It is a personal cosmic body/mind - ONE. Or we can say, it's not personal. The distinction of personal/impersonal collapses and merges into ONE. Just a dance of words

Past stories are rewritten or recontextualized. They are, always no matter what, but we tell ourselves stories from a skewed perspective of self. In awakening they are rewritten and understood from an impersonal big picture viewpoint. It takes an enormous amount of love and focus to do this. Easier if it's not done alone, especially in more extreme cases. When someone else is loving you with the eyes of God and sees you as perfect and a part of the whole it's easy to imagine oneself that way too, (or stop imagining one's self rather.) You can't focus on the things that could possibly hold you back, because then they are exactly what's holding you back. Eyes on the prize.

@Extreme Z7 Name calling is not a good tactic. Yes, we are all learning and developing. I have done many years of study on all of these subjects and continue to learn. Unfortunately you've made it personal. It's an impersonal ideological discussion. Wish you the best. No hard feelings on my part.

A full letting go is out of your control. It might feel like you are in control of satori, but you can recognize that satori is this already and that the energy of wanting to have it, know it, control it, seek it, is what creates a sense of seperation and hides it. This is it already, God (this) can appear as a seperate person writing or reading this, from the persons point of view it is personal and meaningful, but really it's always just God (this) appearing as whatever is appearing. It is impersonal, and the biggest mind fuck is that this isn't actually happening, the person in control is a complete illusion, it was never there.

Non-doership is now utterly obvious. Thoughts and intentions arise out of nothing, there is no doer. It's just like a dream, it just unfolds. In a dream, no effort is required whatsoever, it just unfolds within a mind that knows not what's happening. Same with this so-called Reality. It is just unfolding, there is absolutely nothing to regret, to feel guilty for, to feel proud of, life - not only death - is the great equalizer. There seems to be a deepening of this realization. Though sometimes the belief in doership arises again, and the belief in being the body-mind. It's chaos, sometimes it all feels personal, sometimes it feels totally impersonal. It's never consistent, it's constantly changing. A beautiful experience, never boring. And all resistance comes from this belief in personal doership. It arises out of nothing, just like everything else. All week there has been plenty of resistance to working on the music project. My friend has shown me the first version of the artwork, it looks quite good to me. Only the album cover is missing. And yet, there is still so much resistance to opening Studio One and working on the mixes. There is a sense of overwhelm. So I don't do it, something else gets done. And that's fine, it's exactly how it needs to be.

It's not merely that consciousness is awaking up. This is still too impersonal. You are waking up to the realization that YOU are God -- the only being in existence, who created itself. Keep hammering on this point: YOU ARE GOD! Really! You are creating yourself. Yes, of course, God is Consciousness, but it's absolutely crucial that you fully realize that YOU are God, and just some vague field of consciousness or some impersonal thing. This must be an uttetly personal realization. The ego must realize it is God. Zero distance between you, reality, and God. You have not awoken until you are completely conscious of how you create every object in your room and every creature on this planet. Are you conscious that you created the sun?

In recognition of the true self, "suffering, strife, sadness, struggle and grief" might still appear. They appear but they are perceived to be momentary. You are simply not attached to these thoughts/emotions/sensations and so they don't stick on you. You must be sad for a few moments but quickly you are crystal-clear and present and aware of your true nature. Nobody is saying that suffering, strife, sadness, struggle and grief are not beautiful, but they are only beautiful from the perspective of the truth. The one who is suffering, does not feel that his suffering is beautiful. So then, we must transcend the egoic-mind which is not able to perceive suffering as beautiful. It is only from your oneness that you can perceive the beauty of the duality. In duality you have no sense of duality, you are completely lost. You are completely identifying with the egoic-mind. In that place of suffering, there is no one to perceive it as beautiful. And that is a shame. This is a life wasted in identifying with the mind, identifying with suffering, strife, sadness, struggle and grief. The experiences themselves are not the problem, but when you (pure consciousness) identify yourself as these experiences, it is pure foolishness. Truth is not about appreciating foolishness. Someone doing "hard work" for someone else because of their attachment that they call "love" is foolishness. You must not appreciate it, because it is pure foolishness. No one must "work hard" for anything and anyone. One must only be one with their own heart. You say "parents work hard to ensure a good life for their children" but what is this other than a thought? What hard work is anyone on this planet doing? We think a lot of unnecessary crap in our mind and any activity becomes "hard work" simply because you are thinking so much. Instead of cleaning the dishes you think "there are so many dishes to clean... when will this end... why am I doing it??" and after that you'll go to your mom and say "yea mom I did so much hard work today, I cleaned up all of the dishes!" you literally did nothing but clean dishes. It is not hard work. It is only the mind saying it is hard work. You must live life effortlessly, because you are one with life. Life does not do "hard work" to be itself. There is no need for such beliefs. It is only holding you back from the ever-present truth that is consciousness itself. Be aware of being aware. You say "We like that suffering" but who is that who likes the suffering? It is the sufferer itself that in retrospect loves the suffering. In that moment it is very painful, it is very foolish to suffer in that way so absurdly. It is mad completely. Human beings are not meant to suffer and have attachments to suffering. It is very unnatural. The one who "likes" suffering is merely the mind. The mind doesn't want to let go of the suffering, because only in suffering can the mind exist. The mind, suffering can't exist in a peaceful, serene mind of the supreme self. And so it will make you believe "I love suffering" but you must not believe this thought. You do not like suffering, it is only a thought. The impersonal supreme self does not care about suffering. It wouldn't think twice about it. It is merely another phenomenon perceived within consciousness. It doesn't get attached to it and says "But I like suffering" because it doesn't give a single flying fuck about suffering, about grief, about sadness, about love, about joy, about peace, it actually is completely detached and impersonal, has absolutely no interest in anything. It simply is. And that is what you are. Be aware of being aware. When you are aware of being aware, you are successfully "just being". That is wonderful. Remain as you are. We don't do irrational things and suffer because of love, actually what you believe to be "love" is just "attachment". Replace the word "love" with attachment, because you are talking about attachment, not love. Love is universal, it is beyond duality, attachment/passion/obession are not love, and they are not greater than true happiness. I don't know what you mean by "superficial happiness", I don't think anyone is seeking that here. Currently you are attached more than you are aware of your true nature. You must be more aware of your true nature than you are attached.

If you need to ask strangers about whether you should end a relationship - yes, you need to end it. End it, and instead of wasting time on relationships with other people, have a solid relationship with yourself. I don't mean a relationship with the mind, but a relationship with the higher power. The source itself. Instead of being in a relationship with the mind (thoughts, emotions and sensations) be in a relationship with pure consciousness (your self). Be aware of being aware. The relationship you have with yourself (Your god-self) is the only relationship you actually need. That one relationship will end all other desires for any experience in life. So first find the god-self, merge with it, be one with it, love it, and then all relationships will naturally be in the vibration of god. You'll be having a god-connection with every single person you meet simply because you are aligned with god himself. You'll be like a vessel for god to manifest itself in human form. That god-self is what you truly are right now also, and the god-self has no problems, has no attachments to this world and to the mind. You simply stay in the god-self. Be aware of being aware. I recommend watching Moojiji on youtube. All your problems are coming from personal identity. If you were not personal, would you have any problems? Find out the true self, the impersonal self. That is yourself. You are the impersonal, infinite, serene, eternal and timeless self. Anything that can be perceived is not you. The mind itself is perceived, and therefore anything that comes from the mind is perceived. This whole "world" is appearing within the mind, and the mind appears within consciousness. You are that source consciousness. Delight in this knowing. Marinate in this knowing. Be that consciousness in which it all appears. Do not speak with any identity. Live as though "you" (personally) don't exist. Be aware of being aware.

No they are still quite different. Solipsism is predicated on an I, me, an ego self. Non-duality is predicated on consciousness, an infinite impersonal field. The main difference is this, solipsism claims perspectives are only one dimensional. Where non-duality states consciousness is multidimensional, expressed through many different perspectives (infinity). Infinity doesn’t exist for the solipsist. When there is no ego self there is no solipsism. Consciousness remains irrespective of an ego self. I feel you may be confusing Mind with Consciousness. Mind is the activity of consciousness.

They aren’t the same. The difference is that solipsism presumes an existence made up of one mind experienced by a single ego. Where non-duality presumes existence is impersonal but experienced through a multiplicity of minds. Solipsism doesn’t allow for the expression of mind to be expressed different to itself. Where Non-duality accounts for the multiplicity of minds that inevitably arise from it in varying expressions.

Realise awareness is impersonal, beyond all “I’s” and you will realise solipsism is a delusion. You do not require the dualism of mind to do this.

I don't exist. Everything I say is a pointer and it is impersonal. How's that elitist? And I will state my truth regardless of how you feel about me. That's the way I'm used to it. It's difficult and exhausting for me to articulate my thoughts in an impersonal manner. And English is not my original language, so it doesn't help much. Plus, a gentle touch is not always effective. Sometimes, a slap in the face of the ego can wake it up. No one knows what exactly will make it click. We're all simply giving it our best shots.

Of course, the field is impersonal. That's the point. Why would it require a person when it can exist sufficiently on its own? The person is secondary to perception. Thoughts are secondary to awareness. Objects are the creation of God.

@Someone here "you" don't exist, and neither do "I". Direct experience is not a property that is owned by a person. The person is imaginary. That's the whole point of the direct experience paradigm, is to get you to realise the imaginary nature of individual persons. If all individuals are imaginary (including yourself), and there is direct experience, then that's God; impersonal, and right in front of you. The rest is noise. Get rid of it by questioning the paradigm to death using the questions I suggested above.