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I stayed on no mind level,psychadelics showed me that if i go further beyond that state ill transcend human experience,so first i want to achieve things in life, dreaming this humans ups and downs before i enter that bliss you talking about in old age,because there wont be enjoyment of the physical anymore.

More that endless game seems like Evolution. We must keep ourselves open minded! I think more than time needs an intention. Your karma is written in the structure of reality. So you need a strong intention to dissolve it. Karma is saved from reincarnation to reincarnation. When you dissolve it, reincarnation stops, you merge with the Infinite and enjoy pure Death-Ecstatic Bliss. Then when all memories of God are dissolved, then the next Creation begins. People don´t get how deep this goes! And that there is work to do right now if we want to advance. Let´s not let in the hands of any imaginary God what is really in our hands. We are Dreaming this UP.

Oh God, the creator of everything within you, i find bliss without you, life is miserable within you, i find fulfillment and contentment for you're the only one

Thoughts. It is going on it's own without any input from you. That's an illusion. I said nothing about not having feelings of happiness on a daily basis. They are still short lived when they arise even if they are frequent. Everything is in motion. So are thoughts. Constant negative thoughts in motion can bring upon depression if kept alive and believed in. The bliss being more life empowering than depression that you talk about here is still just a belief, a human belief. A thought. The very mere thought that happiness is good and sadness is bad is the very thing that creates more sadness because the thought seeks for more happiness because it thinks it's a better sensation. If all these sensations were to be left alone and not come with them judgements of good or bad, right or wrong and just move through the body on it's own; there wouldn't be an imbalance where depression arises. Each time one experiences happiness, UT tries to hold on to that feeling and now a default mode gas been created where the sadness gets deeper and gets stuck in the body as unwelcom You guys keep interpreting what was said with your own train of thought processes and not seeing it for what it is. It's a natural occurrence and cannot be helped, because of your constructs so I understand. Nothing in my comment said anything about acceptance. There's nothing to accept and no one doing any accepting. Those are just thoughts arising and being claimed to be accepting something when the truth of the matter is that's another illusion. There's no free will and choice but only within the dream of separation.

@Keryo Koffa you want a tip, learn Angamardana from isha-sadhguru and try doing it in nature. Gets you in literal Infinity Bliss, is literally heaven. Best thing I´ve learned ever. That is a very good question. What prevents me is the karmic software Im attached to. Sadhana îs the way to dismantle all entanglement of memory until effectively, you dissolve into pure bliss. As long as the focus is straight, we will get there in this lifetime.

If this is true, what determines how one is feeling, Bliss or Misery, are we just Sailboats in the wind, going by where the wind wants us to go, or are we able to invent a "rudder" and learn to use the power of the wind to direct us where we want to go?? Before my Mom died she suffered Depression, as many ppl do nowadays, it was a constant thing, so i realized then and there that if ppl can feel depressed on a consistent daily basis, they can as well feel Bliss or Happiness on a daily basis, its just with Bliss its more life empowering than depression... If Misery is possible in the Absolute, then Bliss is possible, why are these possibilities available to us, for us to just let it all happen as Absolutes Will or are we able to do that ourselves, all is Possible in the Absolute, the only thing is can we determine how we experience Life, imo Yes we can that is why we are here, its the same argument back and forth.. Ppl label You an Absolutist, or Non Dualist for this reason, that is what is means to be those labels, and its half correct.. Analysing Your posts, which is what happens when we read what others write and make a judgement, I would say Your in a stage of Absolute Acceptance of What is, Sadhguru call this "This moment is Inevitable", nothing can be done about it to change what already is, other than Accepting or not Accepting, with Acceptance Your more available to the possibility of the next moment, with non Acceptance You are not available to it, your trapped and enslaved by the past, that is all. With this its not an intellectual formula to try to figure out, Acceptance has to be natural, as a Realization that Existence as it is right Now (where Life is found!) is just as it is, stressing over it makes things worse...This is one of the steps to realizing that as Human Beings we have Free Will, that is another reason why we are here to work this out in everyday life and live to our highest possibility... Yes these are just words, makes no difference one way or another, but sometimes words do make change or at the least are the start of change...

Blissed out? What do you mean blissed out? That's just the mind. The body cannot handle being blissed out. The body's mechanism is designed for survival and reproduction. It's the mind that wants to be blessed out. The body doesn't care about your bliss. States are short lived. Any longer and you'll end up in the looney tune. That's where depression and anxiety come in. It's the need to hold unto that blissful state and the need to be happy more than the body can handle. Notice your happiness is short lived. The reason your happiness is shorter than your sadness is because thoughts are more negative than positive. Either way they are only sensations. Sensations are felt because the identifier thinks it's theirs. It's just sensations arising but because of that energy that thinks it's separate, everything that comes with it is owned. You can have a blissful experience but it doesn't last long because of it's nature. These are arising out of nothing and goes back to nothing. Energy in motion. Claimed by the individual in it's dream state. Bliss is bliss, doesn't need a claimer.

This is already liberation. This is already freedom. So much so, that it can appear as not. So much so, that it's freedom to appear as enslaved and unliberated. There is no liberation or/and freedom for the individual. It's automatic. The individual separate self, that thinks it's the "wave" cannot be freed nor liberated. Why? Because it doesn't exist in the first place. Freedom and liberation doesn't mean the end of suffering. If it did, it would be freedom and liberation, that's a condition. Freedom and liberation is unconditional love where nothing is excluded. That's Absolute. How can it be totally free and excludes suffering and pain. It also includes people who think God Realization is the end. People who do psychedelics. People who feel lost. People who post on forums telling other people that a guru says God is not the end; and people who oppose this message. That's the freedom. Not some airy fairy idea of what you think freedom/liberation is. Like bliss/happiness/joy/fulfillment. This is already that and also sadness/misery/hopelessness etc. It's all energetic. Energy in motion. Appearing as misery and bliss. This is neutral. Empty. There's nothing to hold unto. Nothing to gain, nothing to get. Nothing. It's all appearances. Anything can appear. The individual is an illusion. That's why "noone" makes it out "alive". This is already death.

I would recommend MDMA, a full pill in two doses so that the come up is comfortable, but just take it once. It will help to actually open all that stored trauma in a way no other psychedelic hits. However, more use will not do it, but it will heal a lot and give you the Love you craved. Then I would recommend 2cb or blue bliss pellets, to keep on working if you liked the above experience. On the top I would say 5meo Malt would be the most helpful and healthy long term. Remember psychedelics boost whatever you are already doing. Regarding personal development that's how they usually work.

@Ishanga bliss is just being in love for a prolonged period. Bliss = living in love.

Me personally, I want to synergize and understand everything, chakras, consciousness, life, art, perspective, technology, the nature and relationship of the self, exploring what I am, what I observe, what I understand, how I understand up to the infinite stratosphere of metaness, I take in the morning sun and immerse myself in the lake, I do yoga to flex my spine into a dynamic state of being and release the tension, I binge Sadhguru and Leo's videos to explore the nature of reality and find out how I construct my own self, I use psychedelics and dissociatives to expand my mind and materialize, dissolve and interconnect everything within. But this is a question to everyone on this forum. What drives you? What purpose or state of being are you pursuing or embodying right now? What keeps you on this forum instead of dissolving into pure bliss without the room to communicate back?

I agree with this and the other statements, but here's what I believe a better way of making the scale and means to achieve it: Level 1 - Chasing short term pleasures - Being lazy and ignorant ( Scale 0 - Misery, depression,etc. leading to extreme suffering) Level 2 - Chasing pleasures - Working hard for our desires but being selfish ( Scale 1 - High suffering ) Level 3 - Chasing pleasures - Working hard for our desires and passion but making sure those desires don't affect others ( Scale 2 - Low suffering, low happiness) Level 4 - Chasing peace - Reducing our desires but being inactive ( Scale 3 - No suffering, no happiness, but leads to boredom) Level 5 - Becoming selfless - Working hard for a selfless goal, with expectations( Scale 4 - Happiness and bliss) Level 6 - Becoming truly selfless- Working hard for a selfless cause, breaking all attachments and expectations ( Scale 5 - Bliss) Level 7 - Becoming egoless - ( Scale 6 - Ecstasy) Just a fun exercise in classifying the levels of consciousness!

Yes... For myself to help understand I've sort of categorized the emotions or states on a Scale from 0-10, 0 is Peace, 10 is Ecstasy, Bliss is 8/9, below 0 is any state of Suffering (Fear, Shame, Anxiety, Depression, etc) so we at the min have to be in a state of 0 to get anywhere on this path... the difference btwn all of the upper 0 to 10 states is just a matter of Intensity, if You raise the intensity of Peace, it turns into Happiness, Happiness turns into Joy, Joy into Bliss. Bliss is the most stable and useful, with Ecstasy, You can go there once inawhile but one cannot function properly when in Ecstatic States, You won't care about anything, family, work, survival when in Ecstasy, so with Bliss you will care but are in a very good place otherwise:)

I too love to use the word bliss, but I know strong in my heart that unconditional love definitely leads to that blissfulness.

I would call this Bliss, when in a state of High Consciousness, not Love as for most Love is a relational sort of situation btwn You and other, and including other as a part of yourself, ppl can include any and all things not just other ppl as a part of themselves, just look when a Hurricane hits the coast of Florida and ppl lose their homes, they are heart broken when that happens they love their homes its a part of their identity. Bliss is different from this, its what is experienced when one is intouch with Truth/Reality or Consciousness, its not like Your at a party high on Ecstasy or something, its on another level, when in this state then suffering is not possible...this is the whole point or goal of any real Spiritual Path and Journey.. Sat Chit Ananda or Truth (Sat) Consciousness (Chit) Ananda (Bliss) is a simple way to understand what is going on here...

Oh well. Enlightenment still is something fundamentally different than all your levels of consciousness OF. Its of a different category than „levels“ of consciousness (of). Then your readers can choose between hugging the elephant in 30 hugs (or n plus 1) and interpreting and projecting that on a remaining separate Self and yearning of hugging and becoming the „biggest elephant“ in order to have bliss. Or instead truly realizing and becoming the Infinite Elephant/Being. Of which there is only one. Feeling like Leo or feeling like Sat Chit Ananda. Well, it’s a free country. Selling Rodent Consciousness by the River

There are degrees to the extent to which you understand something, that's for sure. But there are no degrees to being happy. I'm not sure how to explain this, yet. But definitely, either you're happy or you're not. This is definitely my position which you so strongly contradict (I'm okay with that, btw). The reason why I say that either you're happy or you're not is because, in truth, things don't make you happy. Happiness comes from within, just as hatred comes from within. Hatred is the polar opposite of happiness, btw. And it is also a form of resistance. Yes, this is true. What I'm saying does not suggest anything otherwise from what you say here. Is it broad? All that I'm saying is that all of this suffering, whether conscious or unconscious, is caused by one's own resistance of consciousness itself. This resistance can be in the form of a suppressed memory in which it is still you who is suppressing the memory. It could be in the form of a projection, the form of a defence mechanism, the form of a bad habit like smoking or doing drugs. Really there are many forms of resistance. However, one truth remains. It is you, no one else and nothing external to you or out of your control, who are doing the resisting. Even if your trauma is straight up from your birth, which is highly unlike because you're not yet developed cognitively yet at that stage, but even if that happens to be the case. Should there be resistance from such a trauma, that resistance would still come from you. And, it would still (equally) be the resistance of consciousness. Hence, the struggle is with consciousness. Perhaps not bliss, but definitely happiness. Once something is understood, perhaps something like a wild animal or a criminal or some sort of demonic entity (absolutely whatever) even pain, once it is understood due to awareness, it is impossible to hate it. Why? The mere act of understanding something is connecting to that something in a way that is both transpersonal and impersonal. It has nothing to do with you as an individual, but has everything to do with consciousness. You will be happy even with your scar because you understand that the attack, the violation, or mistreatment you encountered was not personal, not at all. It is exactly enough. Exactly. And if your basic needs are being met, such as the nutrition, the shelter, just the basic stuff, then your struggle with consciousness comes from your own inner resistance. There is a matter that you are resisting. By the way, in case I've still not made it clear. In life, as we call it, there is no choice but consciousness. Consciousness is direct experience. Whatever it is that you're trying so hard not to experience, you will experience it – one way or the other.

What I'm trying to say is that sometimes you might need a friend who will give you a new perspective on your situation, or a therapist who will show you patterns in your thinking which you can't see, or you might need to take a psychedelics that will reveal to you parts of your psyche that are unconscious. Awareness and understanding are of course crucial, but it's not always that simple to get them. You may believe you have made all the lights on your trauma and causes of your suffering, but there might be things that are still hidden from you, running unconscious, and causing reactions you don't understand. You might react to certain triggers and have no idea where they come from. Maybe they stem from the day you were born, or perhaps they aren't even yours but your parents' fear and needs, which you have been living by your entire life. So I think the issue is much broader than you make it sound to be. You might have all the awareness in the world, but there can still be things that remain stuck in the unconscious and nearly impossible to bring to the conscious mind. You might be able to resolve certain issues on your own with your awareness, but still be missing a deeper resolution. Also, awareness alone is not likely to be enough to bring bliss and happiness. People might be in pain because they are not living the life they know they should be living. Having awareness and understanding about that is not likely to be enough. Having food and shelter is just a beginning. Most people will also have to change their lifestyle for it to fit their deepest desires in order to be happy. Awareness and understanding are great, but they are like a first step you need in your life. And as I've just said, there are degrees of them. It's not just having them or not having them - of being happy or not being happy. There are degrees of all of these things which you don't seem to acknowledge.

The rules are the ones which enhance the experience of life, and creates the possibility for a beautiful journey, from one that of lust and pleasure, to that of bliss, from that of fear to fearlessness, from that of an animal to that of a god, from that of ego to that of unity, from that of a slave to that of a master, From that of brahma to that of Brahman.

You may be right, looks like the world can't get free of yin and yang. Personally, I believe what you mention as a non dual experience is simply the extreme polarity of yang or the light or the bliss.

Well it does matter, because when one just sees or understands or experiences the Absolute, then everything else won't matter, so when that is the case then they are limited in a way, and not Absolute, so one needs to have both perspectives and ultimately the individual Experience of it, they can be in Experience of the Absolute/Oneness/Completeness (this is Bliss) and as well live an everyday normal life with family or no family, work or no work, and just play the game of it, that is why we are here. Absolute means One, One means All, All means Potential, and we try to live that potential out on this dual realm we have here on Earth:) A major problem is when we take this stuff too seriously, life is not meant to be taken too seriously, its Lala or a Game of sorts, play time on Earth, because we have taken it too seriously we have these wars, suffering, ppl dying for no reason, and it continues, too serious and not enough play...

I don't know whether or not anyone is actually ready to hear this, let alone understand this, but it's the truth. Unless you have a serious mental health problem, and by serious I mean causing you to impulsively self-harm or harm others, then you're either mainly struggling with meeting your basic needs or you're struggling with consciousness. But then survival is also for the purpose of consciousness. So really it all does boil down to the struggle of consciousness. Consciousness without awareness is the problem. Experience without understanding is the problem. Otherwise you should be utterly at bliss if you have your nutrition and shelter secured. But this is not the case with most people. They neither have serious mental health problems nor are they struggling with securing their basic needs. They are simply struggling with consciousness. There was a time when I for one was struggling with consciousness. It's because I hadn't yet grasped the meaning of this so called life. I didn't understand the purpose of pain or pleasure, of compassion or hatred, of violence or harmony. I didn't understand the point of these experiences. And this is precisely the point: You can't let it go until you understand it. It is much easier to move past a trauma once you've understood it. So, of course, man's struggle is with consciousness. Consciousness is no small matter. Overlooking this simple fact will cost you your happiness.

I don't think it will scale up to anything like 1% of humanity anytime soon. But imagine a few thousand having walked & realized the Mahamudra/Dzogchen path without superhuman will-power and even more, having found the path more or less enjoyable, and testifying their liberation and bliss on Youtube? That will trigger some more waves then. And maybe in 100-200 years we will get genetic engineering and brain-mind-interface technology and other stuff doing largely the job, so that not much practice at all will be required? Who knows? I agree with you that mainly "brute force" meditation concentration technique (like Zen/Theravada/most of what is on the market place) will never really scale, because it just needs hardcore will-power individuals of which there are only so many. Or rather, very very few Ralstons & Frank Yangs & Ingrams who can pull that off. And then these few thousand liberated folks can go exploring the magnificent multiverse/realms/aliens/consciousness with psychedelics, just for the joy and wonder of it all... Psychedelics to see that "it" is real, and then the 10 year gamble. Which I assume isn't so much a gamble if supported by psychedelics and the right techniques like Mahamudra to balance these states sobre in daily life. Lets see, interesting times to live in...

Very good. Your post is probably so "way out" that it didn't receive much response, although it being the most interesting one since its posting. Actually, "You" didn't loose "it". Just some clouds appeared that made what you called "deep sleep" a bit harder to directly "perceive/realize" beyond the clouds. Its always there. YOU are that Infinite Being containing the show of duality and nonduality, awakening and sleeping. That impersonal Infinite Reality beyond the "event-horizon" which is so infinite that no "movement" of focus/mind/thought/appearance/perception/I,me,mine-arising can ever get "there". And That Infinite Reality beyond this "event horizon" where small you "can't go" is constant and changeless. That contains all the states of illusion and realizing/awakening, which roll "before"/"within" its Infinite Being. THAT "you" can never loose. Or gain. THAT never changes, because change is contained in it, its expression or modulation. And THAT is absolute freedom & love & bliss. Infinite Liberation. Who are you again? Did you EVER loose yourself (really)?

Hey I'm not claiming to be some ascending fana-al-fana spiritual schmuck who is high on bliss all the fucking time . I clearly stated my addictions. So you are right . But you missed the point .I said it doesn't have to be this way . YouCAN do spiritual work and transcend suffering. Its possible