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@An young being Another view I have to offer is that we make ourselves unhappy unconsciously and use unhappiness and "not being blissed out" just as we use negative emotions in order to navigate our experience, point us towards growth and progress and as a means to make us aware of greater dimensions of possibilities. It's like a homeostatic guidance system and the worse/less happy we feel, the further we are from god/bliss/consciousness/desirable experience. In a way, I came to realizations that none of the emotions even matter, they're like the flavor of food, or different genres of music, they're a means of navigation and communication and we can tune into either one, but as we become more conscious, we'd realize their arbitrariness and though we could be blissed out and maybe neutral = bliss, we wouldn't necessarily need to, though we might do it simply because it would make life better, but different emotions exist and so they clearly have a purpose, though that itself may be transcended. Maybe what others say is exactly right, emotions like bliss being a pointer to expand one's awareness, experience and tune into higher dimensions of consciousness, but that would of course come at the expense of living this life, since all its needs and desires would be transcended to the point that it would feel like a meaningless distraction, or an arbitrary limited focus. So then, bliss has to be acquired or trained by becoming more conscious and transcending paradigms, in order to eliminate all those states of mind which create distractions and needs and prevent one from being universally content... In a way, it may not even matter what one does and what activities one chooses to engage in, one would simply need to dissolve the state of mind that believes that doing these activities is an objective need and believes in the objective meaning and purpose of survival itself. One can of course continue to survive even without the belief in its importance and the need to do it, simply for the experience itself and let go of all limitations and barriers that impose it, and then rather do it for its own sake irregardless, being blissed out. Look at kids, they're naturally blissed out, though they also navigate other emotions for convenience but also out of ignorance. Of course that process would lead one to higher states of consciousness, in which survival would become a conscious choice and one could still survive out of higher awareness and love, but the state of consciousness itself would of course feed one's experience with greater awareness of its nature, which may lead to the realization of the vanity of survival itself, but a truly high stage would still continue to do whatever is healthy, though it may at some point decide to enter madasamadhi, it may or may not choose to upgrade one's or other's lives first but who knows, at that point, it's an individual matter, or god's matter, however you wanna see it, so yeah, transcend beliefs and operate on consciousness alone without rigid systems, like spiral dynamics and leo point to, but easier said than done, though we have amazing tools and it's all up to one's own self...

Most extreme levels of Samadhi will need a complete eradication of that, but we are not talking about getting to that level nor is necessary to enjoy a deep level of pleasurableness and Bliss through a normal life while maintaining a body and mind and a normal job like any other person. First establish yourself as Bliss in everyday life, then higher levels of Being can come, when you get tired of normal life and transcendence starts knocking at your door.

I agree that there's the possibility for neutrality be the natural state. But while being mindful, I am focusing on the present, making my mind free of thoughts, which itself is a tremendous activity. Can such an activity be brought to such extremes that it results in extreme bliss? Or in other words, can mindfulness with senses active and actions present be a substitute for meditation where senses are closed and actions inactive, which results in a state of absolute bliss ( or atleast whatever the state of absolute is perceived to be) during meditation? Not interested myself in being that blissful all the times though, just curious whether it's a possibility.

Yes, let's assume it's the default state of being. Then, it shouldn't be relative, it has to be absolute, which is extreme bliss. Can you maintain that in your everyday life, maybe after finding out what I'm doing wrong in my everyday life? Or could it be achieved only after closing all your thoughts and sensations? I agree that there are degrees, but can you maintain all the time something closer to the highest degree, even after getting out of meditation or awakening states? Im happy to be at scale 0 most of the time, but can the intensity of experience at the present get so high that a state close to ecstacy is always maintained in everyday life? And.also , can meditators stay in the state of bliss/ ecstasy closing their eyes all the time? Glad that you're able to overcome your difficult times!

Is tricky to explain. Because body is a creation of the Being, so it has the necessary 'tools' or 'chemical soup' to be in a permanent state of Bliss, but there are certain rules 'written' on it (like a Software). For example, one rule is you can not be in a state of Pleasantness or Love while maintaining thoughts about hate or envy of someone. Is simply not possible. That would be one 'rule' of this Software. Another example, you can take a drug and maybe be in a 2 hour state of Bliss, but that´s it, is 2 hours, because another rule that has been 'written' on it is that external substances only last a certain time and then they stop. So basically the 'hardware' of the body, is the one that has the original Bliss, the drugs, thoughts, (or other persons, acts, situations) that might trigger it are kind of like 'the key' to activate what is inside and is already 'inconditional'. But this 'triggers' are short-lived. One important thing to know is that the Bliss inside is a factory, (is our Being), so Is not like there are a limited quantity of 'bliss pieces'. Is a factory, it can produce unlimited constant Bliss (again, because is 'its Nature'/its what We Are), but for that to take charge of this production, one has to become the 'trigger' itself, the 'key' itself. If you have a human body know that you have the most advanced system designed by the Creator to completely realize itself and be in the most pleasurable, ecstatic states available. Think it like this: If you have a human body you are in the last process of your exploration in this Creation. You are aiming towards the Ultimate and the Ultimate Bliss state. IF not, you will not be incarnated in a human, which is a super complex thing. You would be an ant maybe.

I don't know why I have a problem with this bliss thing. I think neutrality is our default state all other states stem from this that's why they're temporary. The body was not designed to be in a permanent state of bliss or even happiness. It's just not. It's the mind that is imposing these preferred states. Anxiety and/or depression probably stems from the mind trying to remain in these positive states for longer than their life span and the body rejects this. All these emotions are designed to pass through the body, not sit there and cause the body to stress. I think neutrality is really bliss.

N,N-DMT is always different. You can achieve spiritual bliss but it's trickier. It can feel dark. Don't do it with too many expectations.

Yes they can, if Ppl can be in constant Depressed States, why can't someone be in constant Blissful States? Its actually the way the body is designed to be in Blissful States, when in Depressed States wrong chemistry is released, this destroys your body and mind, breaks down cells and such, bad health is the result.. When in Happy or Blissful States on a constant basis, the opposite happens, everything about You, all Your Capabilities and Attributes are enhanced. Bliss does not mean party mode 24/7, it means a higher state of Realization, of Awareness and Profoundness of Experience, Intensity of the Moment is very Higher, Your not ruled by the past or future, you use the past to become wise, you plan for the future but You don't live in those places that don't exist Now... The problem is that very few ppl live in constant Blissful states naturally, so because of that most ppl think its not possible, or not needed or good for us, because we are so used to up and down emotional lives, suffering, anxiety, stress, depression, these things have become the norm, just because its the norm does not mean its the way things should be!

I have a scale from 0 to 10, 0 is Peace, 10 is Ecstasy, anything below Peace is suffering state, in suffering state You are not accessing any of Your Potential, your just surviving, most of the population is below 0. The difference btwn 0- Peace and 10-Ecstasy is just a matter of Intensity of Experience, Peace is not as Intense as Ecstasy State! When Your at 10, in Ecstasy, as Davino said You cannot function in Social Situations or Survival situations, You won't want to Eat, Drink, be concerned about Family or any of that, better to Isolate Yourself when in Ecstasy State of Being.. The Happy medium is Bliss(I would say Bliss is 8 or 9 on the scale), You can be in Blissful States (as Sadhguru said) and still function normally, deal with Life situations and family and all of that, the thing is when in Blissful states, no Stress is possible when in Life situations, what would life like that be like? You see Stress is not found in Situations, Stress is found within You, its an Unconscious Reaction to Life, not a Conscious Response to Life, and this is what we need more of from People in this world, right now its the polar opposite and that is why we have the Shit Show that we have...

It happens on NNdmt by itself & if I add harmaline. (NO TTH) It feels like a ugly drug trip. 5meo I have pure spiritual bliss. ??

Constant Bliss is possible simply because human chemistry is possible of creating Bliss, and ultimately is the real nature of the Self. So is not about achieving Bliss 24/7. Is more of...what am I doing wrong that I am not Blissed out constantly? Since that is the default state of the Being.

But this is just completely wrong, we are naturally breatharians and if we are really gonna indulge with the 3D reality/survival and actually gonna eat food then fruitarianism/ raw vegan is the way to go, it's the most alive/highest vibrational food, everything else, especially meat is complete trash for any human being that wants happiness, eating meat is basically black magic, there is no human being on this planet who eats meat and who is in permanent bliss, maybe a dopamine hit from time to time at best lmao Don't get me wrong i used to eat meat at one point of my life too, but this is just huge misinformation that i had to jump in, sacrifice of another sentient being is never the way to go and i'm not coming at this from the compassion point of view, i'm telling you what the laws of the universe are, and to simply put it eating meat = death, eating fruit = life, breatharianism = immortality.

@An young being I haven't achieved a consistent state myself, but from my psychedelic trips and childhood memories, there were times where irregardless of what I was engaged in doing, I was in flow and complete bliss, the state itself was independent of activity and painted them blissful instead of being determined by them. I'm convinced it is belief, association and conditioning that make it so activities affect the feedback loop backwards but it is not an absolute. It is really that one doesn't allow oneself to be happy unless one achieves something or gets one's way, instead one could operate, choose, act on top of the state itself, instead of waiting for it to arise, but it is something to become conscious of, do shadow work about and learn to master and I am on the way towards that myself. After all, you know there were times in your life when you weren't happy no matter what and times where you were overjoyed no matter what and if you experienced that once, you know it's possible and you can work on that.

I don't think such heavy doses of bliss can be maintained, maybe someone highly equanimous can overcome such states. Let's assume you can overcome the bliss, what I am asking is whether you can be extremely mindful all the time, so that you can be in a higher conscious/ blissful state all the time. How can you be at the extreme ends of mindfulness when you have to make decisions such as choosing between a pizza or a burger? Even bliss doesn't come for free, in my opinion. It costs karma. That's why I believe you go back to ordinary states after having bursts of blissfulness.

Yes, looks like many here has expanded/ dissolved their ego and awakened to infinity and bliss closing their senses, but is it possible to maintain that same state in our day to day life, while doing everyday activities? What about when you interact with others or where you have to make choices? Can you maintain that blissful state while doing so?

I see potency in my practice, and this happened about a year ago but it's a gradual phebomenon for me. This potency expresses as an invitation to sit longer when I choose to do it which is not often. But I can see myself sitting longer because there is bliss available and it's like the experience pulls you in into more and more intense sielence. I can see myself becoming amphibious meaning that I can act and I am slowly learning how to not act. Will see how it goes, meanwhile I will keep meditating and some form of yoga and contemplation going for myself. You can say it's a breakthrough or asset I have earned just by doing these practices or maybe there are some other past life influences which are expressing now.

Yeah, the most intermediate helpful was doing something like yoga namaskar, sambhavi mahamudra and naddi shuddi daily, since it takes about 20-30 minutes to complete. That gives good lubrication. There are other things I can share privately. The problem is that different things will help at different times. Burnout happens due to lack of bliss and sense of overall health it think. If you manage to nail that, then I think you can change any other area of your life more or less sensibly.

The moments leading up to cessation (while meditating eyes closed and seated in half-lotus position), I would describe as a progressive sense of stillness, both in the mind and in the body. The progressive unwinding of tension in the body that occurs in meditation starts coming to a conclusion, and your body becomes very still (close to zero movement). The tiny muscle twitches in your legs start to disappear and you can distinctly sense them relaxing at another level. The space between thoughts become wider, and the thoughts themselves become quicker and more subtle and faint. The very last moments leading up to cessation, I would describe as slowly getting injected with an anesthetic, where all your senses slowly dampen and "equalize", until you lose all sense of being in a body and having a mind. The visual static behind your eyes gets smoother and more clear, and the visual field expands and zooms out slightly. The now unmowing body starts losing its sensation (interoceptively as well as externally, like the pressures under your butt and the feelings in your face and head), and it feels like you're slowly fading out of existence. This loss of bodily sensation is maybe what is most reminiscent of anesthesia, and the sense of being headless is an experience all by itself. The sounds in the room get dimmer and slowly disappear. The mind is now essentially quiet. The moment of entering cessation itself, I would describe as entering an enormous "place" which has no sense of time, no sense of space, and you feel that it's a place that will last forever and has lasted forever. It existed before you were born and it will exist after you're gone. And it's a place of perfect stillness, tranquility and bliss. Of course, the main "attraction" or challenge of the experience is the sense that you're going to disappear forever and never come back, that your sense of identity is fundamentally collapsing and that you're being erased from existence. This can feel extremely terrifying, literally like you're dying, but this is only the last throes of the ego before it can choose to rest and you identify yourself with the larger identity of Consciousness.

You are right in the sense that both desires arise due to a craving for good emotions like pleasure and happiness or to get rid of bad emotions like pain and suffering. Both materialistic and spiritual paths are taken to feel good. What is to be understood from this insight is that people pursuing both desires are not different in any moral sense, and hence people should not be judged for taking a materialistic path. But what creates the opposite polarity between materialistic and spiritual paths ( here materialistic can be assumed as geared towards pleasure , and spiritual as geared towards bliss) is the ego. Any activity geared towards pleasure is egoistic in nature. For example, take a car. If you buy a Mercedes to showcase yourself as rich before others, it is egoistic in nature. If you do it for the sake of enjoying the experience, it can't be termed as entirely materialistic, kindly note the difference). Any activity geared towards bliss is self less or ego less in nature. For example, relationships, kind and compassionate activities, enjoying nature, being in a flow state, mindfulness etc. If you're in a spiritual path and you are meditating with the intention to become a powerful god, it's still egoistic, please note the difference here as well) There are not assumptions here, as plenty of scientific researches point out to these as a more long lasting forms of happiness. Also, karma is a formidable force that rewards effort but punishes egoistic activities, if you believe in spiritual traditions. Why does the universe or God differentiate between these two qualities? That many of you I believe know the answer. For those who don't, the answer lies in the direction towards which the universe moves.

There is just something about the sexual act with a beautiful, feminine and loving lady that just compels me. That sexual merging with someone I'm infatuated for. I go all in with the emotional connection, that makes it astronomically better. If I desire something, I want it to be as pleasurable as possible, I want to explode with bliss upon entering in contact with that object of desire. It's like if food didn't taste good, it would be some kind of chore. You can frame that animalistic desire in any way you want. It's like the pleasure of tasty food. We can make delicious healthy food tasty, or we can be obsessed about eating as many types of food as possible and make our entire lives around it, etc. But here is a opposite view:

Because the state of cessation (or the dissolution experience) tends to reduce grasping/attachment because it partly frees from the "grabbing/grasping" character of the egoic mindstream after having had that state/cessation for a number of times. In short, it makes life easier and suffering/grasping less. But it doesn't provide full liberation/the potential for Full Enlightenment. The ideal of early Buddhism was the escape to these states of cessation, the more permanent the better. Permanent Niroda = permanent dissolution = Nirvana = No more rebirth. With Mahayana, the Buddhist Traditions broke through to true Nondual Enlightenment. Leos God-Realization, see the God-Realized approved Supreme Source for example, link above. Sounds a bit different than cessation/dissolve/die and get off the wheel of Samsara/Niroda/bye bye forever? Oh yes... Why? Because Absolute Truth is always right here. Never can not be here. Why shut it all down when IT is always right here? When the suffering/grasping clouds of the separate-self/ego are structurally dissolved (Full Enlightenment), and not just temporarily switched off via cessation, Infinite Nondual Impersonal Being replaces the separation/grasping/suffering of the ego in daily life. And the Sat-Chit-Ananda aspect of it (Bliss/Love/Compassion/Nondual Awakened Awareness) is off the charts. Trust the Salesman by the River. Caveat Emptor is good, but sometimes there is enough good Karma to just buy the right "stuff". by the River So no need for dissolution afterwards... Mahayana philosophy is a totally "different beast" than early Buddhism/Hinayana. For example: https://www.psychedelicsangha.org/paisley-gate/2019/5/8/the-supreme-array-scripture-a-psychedelic-stra-for-buddhist-psychonauts-pp3zz#:~:text=Composed sometime around the third,cosmic vision of the universe. In Mahayana, Enlightenment is not the end/extinction/cessation/dissolution, but the beginning of the caterpillar having turned butterfly, expressing its enlightened intention not only in this life/bardo, but also in future ones. The whole Reality then goes like "Oh nice, one more for the team"... A whole chain of being of enlightened beings (human, alien, ET, Buddha-Field Creator/Sustainer/and so on) fits into the manifested Infinity of Infinities of Infinite Being. See the WbtR 2x2 matrix of enlightened & or merely awakened Aliens & Humans. Its a totally different and much more positive worldview than Early Buddhism, which was more like "die, cease and get off the wheel". Would be a lot of effort on creating humans via an evolution of billion of years and then getting rid of the gig asap., don't you think? Chris Bache in "LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven" called the visions he had been shown of the future evolution of humanity a growth towards what he called the Diamond Soul, a magnificent destiny for the species. And since even that isn't the end, its Infinity up the Chain of Being... well, mucho adventure ahead. So it seems that at some point, Leo gets to become his n+1 AWAKE Alien permanently. Hopefully, he doesn't take to many detours on the way there. Being reborn automatically as n+1 "Infinitely consciousness" awakened Alien is not guaranteed, but earned and developed towards. Soul, Karma and such. Not that the suicides influenced by certain inadvertantly & flippantly irresponsible teachings/statements say "hello" in a less than amused way after he has left his current bodily-vehicle. So in summary, early Buddhism doctrine just didn't reach Full Enlightenment. At least in its doctrine/philosophy. It reached causal states, but not truly impersonal nondual/fully enlightened ones. There have been Nondual Realizers for sure between "the Buddha" (aka time the doctrine was formed)" and the Nondual Breakthrough towards Infinite Reality/ Infinite Being that happened first with Nagarjuna and his Middle Way/Madhyamaka doctrine/philosophy, but the doctrinal break occured with Nagarjuna towards Middle Way, and later Yogachara/(Infinite) Consciousness only. Selling non-extinction of the River by the River for the River by The River

I agree, most ppl today are just living at various levels of Survival or Accumulating more of whatever their currency is, be it more Ppl in their lives, Experiences, Power, Money, Success, on and on, if You want more of it, then Your still in Survival Awareness because Your searching outside for Inner Fulfilment or Completeness of sorts, most ppl are on this path, and are Unaware that there is another way to Live.. Rather than trying to convince anyone of anything, we've all tried I bet lol, just be the Example, Be the Light, the Awareness, the Bliss, the Completeness, the Spirit, then ppl will notice as they won't be able to miss It!

i would say my identity is bliss but i will rather sacrifice it for scraps of quick fix instant gratification as i am a lazy good for nothing unwilling to sit and toil over being what i am i mean, everyone else is jumping off the cliff so why not me

you are not mistaken, IMO https://www.yogapedia.com/definition/6166/nirvikalpa-samadhi "Yogapedia Explains Nirvikalpa Samadhi Nirvikalpa samadhi is recognized as one of the highest states of consciousness, and the second stage of samadhi. In Hinduism and Buddhism, samadhi is regarded as the pinnacle of all spiritual and intellectual activity, in addition to being a precondition for attaining moksha (release from the cycle of death and rebirth). In yoga, Samadhi is considered to be the final limb of Patanjali’s eightfold path, a state in which individual and universal consciousness unite. Although schools differ in their interpretation of how many levels of samadhi exist, it is agreed that the state prior to nirvikalpa samadhi is savikalpa samadhi, in which meditative absorption occurs and one’s experience of time and space alters. In savikalpa samadhi, thoughts still exist, but they do not affect the practitioner, whereas in nirvikalpa samadhi, mental activity merges with the self. As such, it is a state of total absorption, in which it is not possible to perceive any distinction between the knower, the act of knowing and the object known. In nirvikalpa samadhi, the ego and samskaras (mental or emotional impressions) dissolve, leaving behind only pure consciousness. It is considered to be a state of being at one with the Divine, in which Atman (the individual self) and Brahman (universal consciousness) merge. It has been described as a state of oneness, limitless bliss or true ecstasy, but those who have documented it find it difficult to describe since it is a state beyond the thinking mind" I resonate with these words.

For me, Before and after enlightenment taste of an apple do not change. However, life changes. After enlightenment, if mind on control, suffering is inevitable. İf mind under control, bliss is inevitable. Before enlightenment, I was just an ordinary human being, who seeks for only pleasure and believes the thoughts, therefore I.