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Time and space are similar. Without space everything would be concentrated into a point or a singularity if you want. There would be no "room" for anything to exist in. The same for time. Without time everything would happen at once. There would be no "room" for stuff to happen in. I imagine that is what being God would be like: a singularity without space or time, everything would be "known", but it would also be a kind of "nothingness".

@Leo Gura Hi Leo! I am very interested to know what you think of 5 meo dmt when it comes to experiencing nothingness. Have you changed your mind/believes since 5 years ago? I mean its seems like you are a big fan of psychedelics now, especially 5 MeO DMT. I am asking because I found this comment that belongs to you on a video you posted 5 years ago. I was quite shocked and thoughtful by seeing this comment. What do you have to say about it. Do you still stand by this or have you changed your mind? Personally i am a big fan of psychedelics and they have helped me so much in expanding my mind/consciousness. I dont see why psychedelics wont help much. I mean one high dose of 5 MeO will send you there!

Months ago I was suffering from extreme derealisation, I though the state would never pass away. I took a long break from meditation, self-inquiry etc. I have recently returned to daily mediation practices for about 2 months. I have been absolutely grounded in pure nothingness. It’s a totally different experience from derealisation. It’s like you’re grounded in emptiness, rather than reality being dream-like in a bad way. I honestly just wanted to share this to bring a sense of hope to people who are going through derealisation on the path. It can be overcome and you can become regrounded.

1 hour ago, Water by the River said: Like any other being, it seems to me you strive for what brings you satisfaction. Now you equate pleasure with bliss or non-suffering. Which I didn't do: The Sat & Chit in Sat-Chit-Ananda, or the bliss & love that a sobre Awakened Nondual State brings is also not pleasure, and I assume you are well aware of that. So lets look up Wikipedia (I know..) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleasure "Pleasure is part of various other mental states such as ecstasy, euphoria and flow. Happiness and well-being are closely related to pleasure but not identical with it." "Pleasure refers to experience that feels good, that involves the enjoyment OF something". For example of Infinite-Consciousness-chasing-exploration. The bliss or love of Awakened Nondual States doesn't NEED the enjoyment OF something. Then we would have to consider the nondual essence Nothingness behind all appearance as OF something. Which luckily it isn't, because it is not OF something (but Infinite Being, Nothingness and nondual appearance and not something specific IN/OF it) Selling the basic difference between pleasure and between causeless Sat-Chit-Ananda by the River

Does the practice of shutting the mind ("think nothing" technique) mean you silence also your feelings and sensations? Let's say, for example, you are meditating outside when you start feeling a gentle breeze. Should you keep the focus on nothingness or move it to the breeze feelings?

Enlightenment in the zen and Ralston sense is just figuring out that you are the awareness or nothingness in which reality unfolds. Psychedelics help you go more into the Godmind and Oneness aspect of reality which is more profound. Enlightenment is akin to figuring out how a car works (its running on wheels) but there’s still so much about the car to understand.

What is the source of everything that exists? That's what you are, the horizon of possibilities, the unfathomable depth that exists, the infinity that is conscious of itself, The source of the infinites universes, the power that arises from the nothingness, the totality that can't avoid being because there are not limits. The absolute freedom. God? That word is confusing. Just existence, what you are

@Ahbapx Try this meditation, be as you are, perhaps sit and close your eyes for less distractions. Ofcourse this can be done while eyes open and even moving about, you will just have more objects of experience to be with. Whatever thoughts feelings sensations arise, let them be there but be more interested in what knows those. Once you get an answer as to what knows all those, keep being interested in what knows that answer, dont take the answer as the Truth. The truth is constant. if you had to paint the knower of your experience, the literal knower, not the known, would you even need to strike a single brush stroke? The sky is already there, even when there are clouds, but we must not focus on the clouds as the truth, because clouds are temporary. Sky is the eternal Truth. This is another analogy. To begin understanding emptiness/nothingness/consciousness, try thinking in your mind about the smallest object, a point. What is a point? It has 0 dimensions, it actually is not an object, we think of it as an object, but if you really had to represent a real point in reality, you don't have to add ink at all. The point is nothingness, you let go of the tiny image of a point, and what remains? Only the entire page! The page didn't have to be drawn! Now that you know the point covers the entire page, anything you draw on the page is smaller than a point! Paradoxical, the smallest thing suddenly is the largest thing.

"It" is. Always there. Infinite, boundless. Groundless. Any boundary would appear within "It". "It" is Infinite Reality itself. "It" is Nothing when no appearances arise. Nothingness. Groundless. Void and empty. Not even space. Yet, "It" is everything as soon as appearance appears. Without appearance, there is no time. "It" is not even self-aware then. Yet, "It" is always "there". "It" has the potential for awareness if some appearances arise, and for self-awareness if I-thought/I-feelings arise as appearances. "It" doesn't arise. There is no beginning to "It". Who or what would watch "Its" arising? Only "It", the only Awareness. "It" is fundamental. It can not not "be there". "It" can't go anywhere. Anywhere would be imagined within it. "It" can't end, since It would perceive its own end, and so it wouldn't end. Nor begin. Before any appearance, "It" is. After any appearance dissolves, "It" "is" still there. Neither existing (as anything), nor non-existing. Words of time loose there meaning, because "It" is more fundamental than time, since there is no time without changing appearances, or "objects". "It" is Infinite Consciousness, Infinite Universal Reality/Being. And "It" is "You". Capital Y, True you. Impersonal You. Or better, "not-only-personal"-True You. But nondual, Infinite Being, big You. Not small/illusion you, but that which is always there. Even in deep sleep. Impersonal. Infinite. Immortal. "It" looks through all eyes, is the essence of every being and every appearance. And to do that, "It" needs to be impersonal. Only impersonal (not-only-personal, but universal and fully empty) Awareness is "compatible" to look out through all "personal/individuated/not-empty" eyes/beings/perspectives. "It" holds all perspectives, looks through all eyes at the same moment (not sequentially), but forgets these "dimensions" of all the other perspectives "real-time". "It" imagines the clouds covering True Being/Infinite Awareness, hiding "It" in the clouds of solidity, materiality, duality and separation. Magnificent illusions. "It" plays a game of hide and seek with "Itself". When one has access to verify that sobre anytime one feels into "the" Infinite (which means that one fully realize the structure of ones own perspective ("subject" and all appearances, truly nondual) and has access to that realization anytime (nondual, infinite, mere appearance, impersonal, groundless ,Awake).... this realization is the case for each and any being, since "It" is boundless , infinite and limitless. There is nothing besides "It". N+1. ... one walks in the home one never really left. There is nothing else, nor can't be. The only price: The frog has to jump fully into the mixer and see whats still left of its essence. And THAT is it. Neti Neti until Infinite Being is realized without the clouds of boundaries, separation and duality. And the crocodiles ensure that at one point. One lifetime, the frog actually gives up resisting and playing games, gets rid of the last clouds of duality, and jumps in the mixer. And finds out that the frog never really existed, only appeared to do so. And then the former frog (Which never actually was a frog) wins the ultimate price: Everything. Each and any possible universe arises in Infinite Being, as Infinite Being. Since there is nothing besides "It", nor could be. The mixer only appears as mixer before the Gateless Gate. Beyond the Gateless Gate, it was just the wind that has blewn away all the clouds of duality and ignorance. So who is reading these words right here, right now? Offering best-practice mixers by the River

False. This is just another trap. You cannot reduce Consciousness to anything, not nothingness, not essence.

I wasn't asked, but since that didn't prevent me from commenting ever since, please allow me my musings... So, here is the Ultimate Crocodile. Or Trap. Since it is pretty close to Ultimate Truth: The problem (or rather near impossibility) in realizing Ultimate Truth/Full Enlightenment (not even to talk about realizing & keeping that on a stable basis in daily life) with mainly/only psychedelics (vs. a combined meditation and psychedelics-approach) is that the separate-self/ego is never fully seen through, and happily hijacks all insights gained and projects itself onto them. Like nondual merging with the visual field, aka non-dual-Unity-states of a still separate-self merging with the visual field. that the visual field is mere empty appearance hovering in Nothingness that this Nothingness is "IT", is Infinity, in all possible dimensions, is boundless limitless nondual Consciousness/Suchness "God-Realization" (aka that pretty much everything which appears is imagined to fool oneself into a false-body-mind-identity. That includes past&future imagination. Which is true, but still there is a subtle separate-self-something left and not seen through having all these insights, and proclaiming "I am God". It is not truly impersonal yet, and Absolute Reality is impersonal. Yes, True You is totally impersonal. Shocking, but true. But only shocking from before the Gateless Gate. After the Gateless Gate, it was just one more trap on the path/maze to Infinite love&liberation&freedom). That is pretty much the development Leo has taken, from nondual, to Infinity, to "God-Realization". And then some ETs (which is of course just more appearance/mind-stuff/content consciousness) since the God-Realization didn't went any further from there. And then after some psychedelic-substance-fallout-crocodiles ET said not permanently in this life darling, but maybe permanently in the next life in the 7th heaven, and the message was heard, and the phone was (increasingly) hung up (for now). Ultimate Truth is beyond all of that. Contains all of that. Unchanging. And eternal. All the rest mentioned above rolls "before" and "in" your true formless Infinite Being like a show. Waking/dreaming/deep sleep/normal life/nondual/infinite/God-Realization/ET/crocodiles: All these states roll before your True Being like a show, never changing anything real even for a moment. All just appearance. What is watching all of that? What can never not be here, even in Deep Sleep? And btw., the essence of the frog is completely understood by throwing it into a mixer and looking what it is made of (Suchness). That is how the frog gets truly impersonal. And the essence is all that stays, eternally. The rest is just changing appearance, an illusion, a show. Including any "understanding", which can be dead&gone&forgotten. The essence never can go anywhere, ever. That is what each being truly is. And realizing & embodying that is true freedom and liberation. And why is this kind of psychedelic "God-Realization" not stable? Psychedelics: The filters/lenses of the last subtle separate-self illusions don't get disassemled/transcended/cut-off in real time (aka impersonal, or "not-only-personal-awareness,"). Because of lacking strength&speed of Awareness in cutting all of that off in real-time. And that is why Infinite Nonduality/mere appearance/Awakening states break down after the trip: Unearned wisdom/states. Not impersonal, but still personal/separate-self/ego. In "God-Realization" there are still remnants (although subtle ones) of an ego/separate-self too much left alive & hijacking the insight/state. Meditation: Transcending separate-self/ego-elements (speed and strength/knowing each and any separate-self-arising illusion/I-feeling/I-thoughts/...) leads to nondual/infinite/mere appearance states: stable & personal transcended (aka impersonal), "earned". Psychedelics: psychedelics lead to nondual/infinite/mere appearance states without transcending all (subtle) separte-self/ego-buildings-blocks: unstable &"unearned" & can hijack the states: "I am God/-realized, whatever". The True Being of every being (Infinite Consciousness/Reality, impersonal or universal Awareness) is always right here, eternal. Can never change. It can only appear to be clouded. Looking out for less-than-impersonal-crocodiles by the non-personal River

I am just addicted to invite love and nothingness feeling. That's all. I can overcome. However, they are the best rides in the wonderland.

I know, I am not saying that I am not feeling love, I am in love. However, in Pychedelic state it burns the shit out of me. I had 100 bad trip, however I still love it. Lol. Thank you for the explanation. However, I am addicted to nothingness and love. Those feels amazing, there is no such experience beyond that.

Love is dance of within the nothingness, Consciousness.

There is no God sitting around somewhere watching anything. Energy is appearing as form out of no-thing which is Absolute. Anything can appear and we have labelled having sex with children pedophilia. That nothingness appears as that. There is no Absolute form. The Absolute is formless. It is the child, it is the pedophile.

@BipolarGrowth ill be taking a closer look at the article. however im still curious as to how you would ever verify the "existence" of something non-experiential? Even in deep sleep, there is the experience of total nothingness or a complete void, some would perhaps label this as non-experience or unconsciousness. However something is still aware of experiencing the non experience, otherwise deep sleep would just be a literal time skip until you woke up again, and you would never had known there was a cessation of phenomena, in which case the non experiential would not exist neither. when you wake up, you are aware that there was a period in which all phenomena ceased. you would not be aware of this period of "non-experience" if you were not still aware during the period it happened my point is that you can never verify something "unconscious" or "non experiential". you can experience the lack of all phenomena, which would be something like deep sleep, however even that is still an experience. the fact that you are able to contrast experience to so called "non experience", is proof that even "non experience" is in itself an experience EDIT; also im fairly certain you're misinterpreting the article. hes talking about physical consciousness (vinanna) and metaphysical consciousness (chitta). this video clarifies it quite distinctly (if u dont have time for the whole video, he talks about it specifically from 18:00 and on) Chitta basically means the same in hinduism, sadhguru quote; "Chitta is mind without memory – pure intelligence. This intelligence is like the cosmic intelligence – simply there. Everything happens because of that. It does not function out of memory – it simply functions. In a way, what you call cosmos is a living mind, not in the sense of intellect but in the sense of chitta." (this is the guy who wrote the article)

Every minute, every moment is an opportunity to experience enlightenment. Blissful awareness. Unfuck-edness. So how did you feel enlightenment today? By giving up some of your stress..... So how did you feel enlightenment today? By not caring at all..... So how did you feel enlightenment today? By surrendering into the stillness of a moment So how did you feel enlightenment today? By being less worried about survival So how did you feel enlightenment today? By being one with the universe So how did you feel enlightenment today? By having more silence in your day Enlightenment is the solitude in solitude, the nothingness of nothing, the absolute splendour, silence and joy of every minute in infinity. That tapestry is enlightenment.

Guidance should never come from your lowest chakra. It should come from a meta position. Because in the meta position, it's undeniable that can work against true nature. Everything else is bullshit. You can't experiment too much with your given reality, it will only yield confusion and loss, but from a meta position everything will look balanced, because that's how everything should be. We make our lives and our realities unnecessarily complicated. It shouldn't have to be this way. And if it cannot be any other way, it is simply pointless and redundant. You're a monkey mind playing mental gymnastics with your own mind, a dog relentlessly chasing it's own tail. What will you get in such a matrix? What was before you? Nothing. What is after you? Nothing. Was there ever a place for silence in our lives? Never. Was there ever a place for absoluteness in our lives? Never. Was there ever a place for nothingness in our lives? Never. Was there ever a space for space in our lives? Never. Was there ever a place for vaccum in our lives? Never. You see. I have coined a term. I call it "beyondity." Or beyond-ness. I ask myself - what's beyond everything? Absolutely everything? What happens when we transcend everything? The answer is nothing. Only blissful awareness. Enlightenment is that state of blissful awareness. The more you access this state, the more you see the hollowness of reality and how white noise is almost canceled from everywhere. We need drama. We need the beat of a drum, the humdrum of life, this is existential fear not letting go, not letting moksha.

You are right. We don't need to interfere with your dream state. Your detachment from the Absolute. There's really no separation but the mind creates that; which is illusory. When @Razard86says we don't want to Awaken I totally understand now what he's pointing to. The character you've created doesn't want to "die" and is fighting to stay alive. Good news, it's OK because it doesn't exist. What exist is nothingness and everything else is just appearance. You're in luck, don't worry, don't be so serious, lighten up and relax. Even my comment was meant to be a joke and you couldn't see it as such. Thought is battling thought. That's all. Meditation is the mediator; so maybe it'll do you some good. Much ❤️

Awakening comes from not knowing, because there is no you to know anything. Your birth, enlightenment, entire duality comes from knowing. But you are nothing, nothing can never be known, can just be. Therefore, anything that you know is something, but nothing can never be learn, can just be. Therefore you are already awake. Only when you not know, you can be. If you know “nothing” (that doesn’t mean you dont know because of ignorance), you are before birth. Fully not knowing is being nothing. And these all words, sounds, visuals, entire duality are nothing. Therefore whatever you do is awakening, because of that you are already awake. Therefore enlightenment is . Therefore enlightenment is ahahdjduaizjncosmajan. Both sentences are identical, because both sentences are nothing, appears within nothingness therefore identical, as your body and chair. Dont forget you learn what is body and chair, which is still comes from knowing. If you not know what is chair and body, they are identical. Whatever happens, it happens within nothingness. Nothing is pure consciousness. Nothing is nothing, therefore absolute. Peace!

That essay explains that your need for a shorter essay is null and void and made of nothing. It's empty words appearing as a signature that arose from a non-sense, lack of appearance that appeared as words and your words are also made of the same thing and came from the same place which is a void of nothingness that lacks appearance that constructed itself into being which can disappear and reappear. No point in asking to shorten a construct that was constructed out of a blank void and a selfless self that constructed time, space, distinctions and other, so problem solved. Phew did I get that right, @Razard86doesn't matter as it is just a construct that came from a lack of appearance and appeared into an empty existence along with other empty existences which are made out of a lack of appearance that constructed other and time and space. Null and void. Problem solved. I think I went berserk in this time and space my constructed self constructed from nothingness which definitely doesn't lack appearance in this void of existence. Help!!

I've taken LSD about 30 times before. My procedure is to fast a few hours before dosing, as the trip comes on, my mouth feels numb, tingling sensation in my legs, neck and arms. I feel dreamy but not sleepy. After the physical effects grab my attention I start having a mental trip. My mind becomes malleable and flexible. Thoughts are externalized, I reflect on my past, present life circumstances and my family, I describe it as I'm about to step off a cliff or about to be killed. I isolate myself anywhere away from other people preparing to go deep and be free of distractions or influence. Once I'm alone I start crying and allowing the mind to run the movie of my life, I am grateful for my family and step out of the game of survival to enter a empty space of nothingness and void. Now is a time to sit, stretch and really have sex with reality. I am penetrated by visions and insights that are so mind boggling and extreme that I trust whatever happens I will allow it without resistance. Understanding of Life, Death, suffering and Transcendence flood my Being. And the highest I have reached is the revelation of God as Self. The come down is no issue other than psychological shock. Usually the next day I am down but I am never the same after each trip going forward but in a positive loving way. After realizing the dream is embedded in Self and that I am That I get inspired to live my life in the best way I can and to continue to play hide and seek for eternity. Let me know how you can relate, I'm glad I found you Leo and this community to virtually be around folks that are open minded and have experienced reality beyond the edge of ordinary normal low awareness existence.

Hi! After having powerful experiences on heroic doses of psilocybin mushrooms, weed has gotten seriously psychedelic for me. As long as I take a moderate dose and not a really low one, I can get into fractal energetic yoga, and I realize that everything are just appearances and stories that are timeless and non-existent. It feels like insanity, but it's an insanity that realizes that the sanity it contradicts was just an illusion that never occured in the first place, which led me to start calling it Insanity with a capital I. In my day to day consciousness I don't feel all too enlightened which is why I find it remarkable that a little bit of sativa can get me so far. Is anybody else having seriously spiritual awakenings from moderate doses of marijuana? Some links: This is the thread about my heroic dose that I think opened me up to reach these stages: This is what I mean when I say fractal energetic yoga:

Yoo my peeps! (Sorry for click bait title) Haha. I’m still deep in a shroom trip but had a beautiful awakening to awareness, God, formlessness, nothingness, wow. Such a healing trip. I took about 3 grams shrooms and there was a point when I stopped meditating to do some yoga, mostly just moving the energy in my body as needed and at some point I just awoke to the divine masculine and feminine within and they “merged:made love”. I don’t really know how else to explain it. I stared in the mirror and saw a king/warrior looking back at me just holding divine presence and strength. It was this wise MAN who just like knew and held me in completely acceptance and love. It’s like I was looking at my fully actualized self but I swear the thing in the mirror was like it’s own entity. This king/God that looked like me and was just holding unwavering presence for me. I walked around my village just amazed that this is a dream and we’re all these characters and there’s all these energies and facets to the dream and it’s wild and dangerous and light and love and so rich! Such a complex and detailed drama with infinite depth, also Women. Women are proof of God. Women are… :—@0 (yup) I went into the ocean for sunset and absolutely melted into the ocean. Laughing my ass off like a nut “It’s GOD, it’s GOD no fucking way, you can’t top this, no Oscar nominated movie comes even close to how this is unfolding!” Yelling into the ocean not giving half a fuck about anything. No problems no worries pure joy. I then went to a singing circle with the yoga school here. So much beauty. My heart opened and all insecurities just faded. There was a point where we were singing to the Goddess Shakti and I look around and there’s like 5 women just sitting around me. It’s like I was holding down the divine presence and center for these angels. Still tripping balls. I sang until I felt my heart literally open and I was no longer controlling anything it’s like consciousness was just flowing through me unimpended I had a moment of gratitude for you guys even though we don’t really know each other we’re kinda all in this journey together. And I appreciate most of you for your wisdom shared here, fuck it, even the trolls and whiners, love you guys too. shoutout to @ZenSwift for sharing your trip reports, in a weird way it helped me a lot. It gave me the courage to push through and dive in Lastly, mad love to @Leo Gura man, wow, everything you have done for me. I’m without words. All I can say is I’m so grateful to have stumbled upon your channel and THANK YOU for following your heart and vision life purpose and not giving a fuck about the barriers conditioning and human bullshit in the way. You are a serious badass mother fucker and I love you. You’ve helped me awaken to myself as God. No amount of money, sex, etc can be a bigger gift to another human being. I humbly send you the highest vibrations and love in life. Lastly, I hope we can make this forum a place to share more God awakenings in a communal and supportive manner. Maybe that’s already what was happening, probably, but let’s please stop bitching and judging each other so much. We’re all in this together and few others especially in the real world know what we know and understand what we do. Not trying to sounds cult like or superior, but it’s special. I hope we can show some serious love here to each other. Anyhoo, time to listen to music, smoke organic tobacco, and bliss out. Aho! PS. I think I’ve found the actual best music to trip to. It’s called Cura Journey Mix by Porangui and it opens channels and healing like I’ve never experienced. The man is a master. PSS I wrote this last night and never posted. Today I went to ecstatic dance in the jungle with my community and took a .7g dose. Full awakening to love, the dream, so divine. So much love so much peace so much authenticity. I danced with every woman I was interested in and didn’t let fear hold me back. The way this is all unfolding is literally too good to be true. It’s perfect

How do you go from "nothingness" to reincarnation as a whole new individual? There must still be something above that decides what to create. It's logical, if you become nothing and despite yourself become something totally new, it's because you are not God.