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Others are you actually makes me love them even more, well the ones that can also see this and at similar level of consciousness. You literally see yourself in them, it's like an identical image. But this only really applies to people at similar level of awakened-ness. sadly you still cannot connect with egos dreaming or preferring seperation very well, even the awake ones who still prefer to be an ego than as one. Many awake ish people seem to have no desire to connect with other awake ish people for various reasons, it's kind of sad but that's what I've experienced so far. I've had glimpses of connecting with a similarly awake person before who was receptive to me (tho not fully as I was not as awake at that time and neither was that person), and it's a deep kind of love, and very much like talking to yourself and reading each other's minds and finishing sentences lol. It was sadly confined to a "professional" setting due to this person's career choice. I was hoping to at least be a friend but there was no room for that either. Idk my awakenings have not led me to want to connect less than before. But it certainly narrowed the field way down as there are almost no awakened people around or they're hard to find. Anyone I come across who isn't awake (and receptive to spiritual topics) I can't help but just start teaching them, lol. So that's how it goes (for me at least), you either become a teacher/human psychedelic or connect with people similar to you.

If you have awakened from the head, meaning you can comfortably see that reality is impersonal, empty, meaningless, and are completely detached from it, understanding it's all a dream without any substance, then the next thing to do is to awaken from the heart. Develop a pinpoint concentration in your chest, similar to the concentration at the third eye area. Emanate love from the point in your chest once you start feeling that pressure. Emanate more and more, until you realize you can love that point, and that emanation itself, so you detach from the emanation process, and you're loving everything at once from an entirely new dimension. It's a very intense state of love. Then, combine it with your awakening of your head if you haven't already. You'll see that this dream you saw as impersonal has been breathed with life, as if it's one benevolent being, emanating unstoppable love to absolutely nowhere. Now, let your relative self surface and be part of the dream, however, witness how your relative self is so absolutely made of love. If you don't at least have tears in your eyes, you haven't gone deep enough.

Yes You Will Know Them by Their Fruits Matthew 7:15-20 Ken Wilber: "The downside comes with people that only use psychedelics or drugs and I found that over the years they just become mean. Somehow it just kind of closes them down. It's like you keep doing it and you keep doing it you keep doing it doesn't quite cause the transformation. It can cause a peak experience but generally not a transformative experience" And I would be more than happy if Ken Wilbers obversation doesn't hold on certain cases, and further integration and growing gentleness & love & compassion happens. Yet, we have come to see time and time again that all the past declarations of moderation have had their "challenges in implementation". Yours truly has learned the hard way that going aggresive on anything is a less than smart idea, because doing that immediately stops any kind of awakened nondual state by closing down, cutting the flow of bliss, love and compassion from the source. Causing only more suffering on top of the suffering/pain occuring by the thing causing the aggresiveness. There is no stable baseline state of staying awakened without compassion and love. And the alternative to compassion and love can only be ones own suffering. That learning & knowing (and not allowing closing-down emotions&actions) is one of the advantages of going the sobre paths. One learns time and time again not to do certain less than smart stuff because of the negative effect it has on ones state. Instant Karma so to say. There are "security locks" on Nonduality & Awakened states & Enlightenment installed by Reality itself, and of course having an autoimmune/allergic-reaction on something happening in ones visual field, in Ones Own True Being actually, (and that something can be a different opinion written in a forum, criticizing certain core beliefes/values/whatever) splits the Nondual Reality in two and causes duality and suffering. Without compassion & love (in Buddhism Boddhichitta, but all spiritual traditions have this sort of value and practice) it is impossible to truly rest in a stable way in Ones True Nondual Nature. And it is even logical: If one hates a part of oneself, one has an autoimmune/allergic reaction, making one sick/not healthy, and that splits Nonduality into fragments (one fragment/appearance hating the other fragment/appearance): Duality & suffering by definition. Selling Water by the River PS: And "not caring about being human" is of course not the path of differentiation & transcendence and integration (or healthy growth), but differentiation, disassociation and failing integration (sick "growth"), stopping continued transcendence/growth in its tracks, leading to a variety of symptoms and failed growth on many development lines. For more on that, see Ken Wilber growth model, describing in detail exactly what we can watch here. Best described in Wilber, "The Religion of Tomorrow: A Vision for the Future of the Great Traditions" (see quote below). Ken Wilber in "The Religion of Tomorrow: A Vision for the Future of the Great Traditions" One can step deeply enough into thetimeless Now to step into another dimension altogether—just step right here, and push hard. It’s easy to get lost in those worlds, which are, at bottom, simply different dimensions and perspectives of one’s own (violet) consciousness (although, as noted, from another angle, they are all real, ontologically different realms because they are each genuinely co-enacted by a different perspective in consciousness). Given that this stage is the first great transition from “earthly” realms to “heavenly” realms (as a permanent structural enaction), getting lost in these “higher worlds” is indeed one of the most common dysfunctions of this level. The deeply transcendental, otherworldly, electrically visionary nature of consciousness at this altitude makes fixation to this side of the street an incredibly inviting and alluring venture. This is likely to couple with the dysfunction, discussed earlier, of standing in heaven and giving a blistering critique of life here on earth, with all the semiprophetic pomp and pomposity that comes with it. One of the things that often happens with these specific dysfunctions is that, after making some initial discovery of a timeless Now or pure Present (either in 3rd-tier structures or higher states), one can step into that Present and then step right through it into what seem to be endless, “deeper,” “higher” realms altogether, a kaleidoscopic cascade of universes upon universes that at one point seem to be nothing but a slight wiggle in this moment’s timeless Now, and then at the next explode into almost infinitely extending real realms that are all alive and invite exploration—with a sign on the door that says “Welcome to Heaven!” This is extremely common in high subtle and low causal states, but if it happens with structures, it tends to happen right here, with the violet meta-mind (due largely to its visionary nature). In short, getting “lost in heaven” is the most common dysfunction of this level. As a dysfunction, it is—in terms of simple numbers— much more common as a result of a malformation in high subtle or causal states (given that subtle and causal states are much more common than this high altitude, and most states, and their dysfunctions, can be experienced at almost any structure-stage). But this problem is simply the living result of the enactive nature of the real world and the fact that consciousness can co-create an almost endless number of universes, any number of which one can become fixated or semiaddicted to, with straightforwardly dysfunctional results." And for experiencing all of that, meditation and/or Out of body experiences (OBEs) are and have been an alternative methods to psychedelics (which also have been used ever since, see "Secret Drugs of Buddhism: Psychedelic Sacraments and the Origins of the Vajrayana" for example. For access on these realms via meditation/OBEs/psychedelics, see also the work of for example Jürgen Ziewe (OBEs), Christopher Bache, Stanislav Grof, Rick Straussman, Andrew Gallimore, Graham Hancock in Visionary, and so on. Lot of other sources on request. There is nothing new under the sun. "Although my view is higher than the sky, my respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour" - Padmasambhava

@Yimpa Yes, I'm thinking some people are more sensitive to THC than others. The people who are casually smoking weed/THC just must not be as sensitive. CBD oil is definitely psychoactive. THC, specifically, can stripe you ruthlessly from your ego, especially if you think you are 'awakened.'

After taking so much DMT, I decided to start smoking weed again. I'm telling you, Leo is right - weed is NO FUCKING JOKE. My first was a few days ago, witnessing infinite chaotic wonderland and today, it humbled the fuck out of me. Still attached to all my human desires, needs and wants. It was a semi-scary and semi-humbling experience. It goes straight to the organics of consciousness. My fucking GOD- can't get off the bed. As much as I've awakened to, I don't know shit about God.

I can only tell you my own path. I stumbled onto Leo's work and began meditation and self inquiry. Self inquiry meditation and do nothing meditation with some concentration meditation. Getting in touch with actuality. The now. And with self inquiry you simply have to inquire into what you currently believe you are and you will slowly deconstruct your own reality. Just be warned because it is very serious stuff when you realize everything we talk about here is actually true. When that happens you will bring about your own death and wake up realizing your whole life and this entire reality is a dream. Because your existence was always conceptual in the first place. If you dare then, Just listen to the first enlightenment videos he put out all the way through to all the metaphysical ones. While meditating and or psychedelics. Peter Ralstons Book of not Knowing was one of the ones I did read but awakened midway through it.

We are talking about type of consciousness on this thread which is understanding of reality. Every spiritual awakening is some amount of sudden increasement of this type of consciousness, but it will get back within minutes or hours, but if the person try to embody it, then you will be stabely higher than an avarage person. Like measuring how much IQ somebody has give a concrete value, how awakened somebody is can be measured. Serious spirituality consider this type of consciousness as a concrete thing, as Leo said that he know he has truth because he is awakened. Playing unserious meditation non-duality, or philosofical mental games are not increasing this consciousness, but only people can know this who experienced some awakening or impoved his awarness with well directed self-improvement. If a person not motivated enough then practices that maybe worked for others, for him will never work and even block into some spiritual belief and he delude himself that he imporved himself. When an avarage person say that I am god and when a more awakened person say that I am god then there is difference. It is come from religion that only who don't have arrogance have higher understanding. Leo made his videos by trying to embody them in his life which can be seen on his contents. Somebody can be highly awakened, but maybe don't talk about god at all. The problem I see between Leo and forum members is that losing soul attachments is what increase awakenedness and not alien consciousness or human insanity. So somebody can be with as little psychological escape or be as awakened like Leo (he is highly awakened anyway), the person not talk about god or spiritual matters in the way Leo speak and the person don't talk about alien consciousness for example Claude Claudiu from Quora. I for example I felt deeple awakened to that every spiritual progress is neurotic, but Leo don't awakened to this because he had other attachments. Awakening is just this: Increasement of consciousness in the consciousness related to awakenings, but it doesn't related to any theme essentially. Any Spiritual Awakening increasing one type of consciousness.

I'm playing dangerous Do you know how reality is showing You things on the eyelids? I awakened.

I'm trying to understand your claim. You seem to be claiming there are two different states of consciousness (yours - awakened and mine - unawakend). Is that accurate or a misunderstanding?

See, once we understand that reality is empty of being what it appears to us to be, and why, then questions about whether the things we perceive actually exist or not become irrelevant. “Things” exist – but only in our minds. “Something” exists outside of our minds, there is an Ultimate Reality, but we can never perceive that reality directly. You can't tip toe around this point. We can never have a direct experience of ultimate reality, but we can have a direct experience that reveals this fact to us – a direct experience of Emptiness. Liberating insight comes through this realization of Emptiness. Ignorance is destroyed, the illusion we have been trapped in for our entire lives is dispelled, and true wisdom follows. Claims like 'MY mind is the only thing that exists. There is no ultimate reality any deeper than these visuals, sounds, feelings and experiences of my consciousness (or any profound state of consciousness created via the use of psychedelics). THIS IS IT! CONSCIOUSNESS IS THE ONLY THING THAT EXISTS. CONSCIOUS EXPERIENCES ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. I've awakened to Aliens in my psychedelic sessions etc.' is a mistaken claim (in the particular way that Leo is talking about) that has been initiated by the profoundity of psychedelic usage. See, these are challenging experiences to understand LET ALONE extract their wisdom. It is so easy to turn towards the wrong alley and make big blunders which forms the basis of the rest of your explorations. And what Leo did, in my opinion, is to take the wrong turn on the path. If you think using psychedelics provides ANY user with perfect understanding and absolute liberation from the illusion just read the trip reports of 90% of common people. OR even majority of people who 'claim' to be on the path of spirituality. Psychedelics DO show you aspects of the truth REAAALLLLY deeply but it also confuses and provides incomplete maturation for the uninitiated without a strong spiritual foundation. And I dont know if you are aware of this, but Leo basically has little to no skills in parsing or experiencing the truths of spirituality without his precious 5 meo DMTs and DPTs and whatnot. Stuff people take to progress on the path, not to get stuck there for years. I do understand Leo actually but he is not aware how problematic this path he has chosen is for himself as he also has lots of arrogance. Call it completely unrelated to his spiritual journey. No, actually it is related and his very solid and arrogant leo avatar is getting in the way of his spiritual explorations in psychedelic sessions. The same arrogance that is making it impossible for him to develop skills of introspection and concentration without psychedelic assistance and embodying ANY insight to any deep degree. Tip toeing the issue by saying 'I value peak understanding, not embodiment' etc. Yeah. I totally get him. But I'm not sure he gets what he is missing out on and all the blind spots of his arrogance

If Leo is already so badly criticized by the forum members, then at least give him a concrete value in this system. - ❗I collected these evaluations and datas from the posts of Claude Claudiu from Quora. https://www.quora.com/profile/Claude-Claudiu❗ The numbers show how awakened somebody is. (This person say he can evaluate people by his psychic senses. D means dimension. Claude Claudiu seem to be good to make an interview with @Leo Gura .) minerals, rocks and such things - 1D plants - 2D Heavy metal music - 3.0D-3.2D rock music (an example is rock music about God) insects then birds then mammals then sea mammals - 3.0D-3.5D some humans, London, New York, Berlin - 3.0D-3.5D avarage person - 3.6D some religion, science - 3D 90% of people, Nythiananda now - 3D Pop music is in the range - 3.3-4.0D 9-10% of people - 4D some scientist - 4.0D Some few rock ballads, almost all meditation music - 3.8-4.0D Classical music like Beethoven, Brahms, Haydn, Chopin, Tchaikovsky - 3.6-4.2D most religious music - 3.7-4.2D spiritual books extremely few like under 0.01% have any value at all - 3D-4D Prem Rawat, Reiki masters - 4.0D-4.1D TM meditation, mindfulness meditation - 4.0D buddhism, christianity, Judaism at maximum - 4.0D-4.3D Coldplay, some pieces of U2, many of ABBA, J. Michel Jarre, Adele - 4.0D-4.5D Neem Karoli Baba - 4.4D U.G. Krishnamurti - 4.5D Ram Dass - 4.6D Wagner - 4.5D-4.9D disciples of Jesus, songs of Engelbert Humperdinck, Herb Ernst and also Michael Oldfield, Dyer - 5.0D every 1000th person - 5D Carl Jung, Viktor Schauberger - 5D Mozart himself with his pieces, half of Bach's work, Ramana Maharshi, Dalai Lama, Autobiography of a Yogi by Yogananda, Sal Rachele's books - 5.5D-5.6D The Holy Science by Yukteswar Giri - 5.8D highest level somebody can reach only by meditation - 5.5D-5.9D every 10000+ person - 6D half of Bach's pieces, Vangelis' all pieces, The God Code by Gregg Braden - 6D one person in one million - 7D Jesus as a human, Buddha, Krishna, Mikao Usui, Nythiananda now Gregg Braden, David Wilcock, Nassim Haramein, Ramakrishna, Lao Tzu, Vivekananda, Yogananda, Sri Yukteswar Giri, Eckhart Tolle, Osho, Sadhguru, Soul Integration by Sal Rachele - 7D Sal Rachele, Inelia Benz - 8D Melcizedek Drunvalo, Peter Deunov, Jiddu Krishnamurti - 9D highest possible in this universe - 12D - Leo Gura - ?.?D My note: How forum members evaluate Leo Gura in this system? Or this system not good to post on this forum? More awakened a person is, more he can estimate how much awakened an other person. For example a person who is a bit more higher buddhist seem to be super enlightened from the perspective of an avarage person. A more awakened person can make lesser awakened music like rock, but a person can't make higher music than his level understanding of reality. For example a 3.6D soul can create a 3.2D heavy metal music piece, but can't make a 4.5D music. If Leo with his higher vibration (?.?D) make a music he would be unique because there are few composers and songs who are higher than pop music.

Interpretation #1: Leo is wrong and I am right. Interpretation #2: I am wrong and Leo is right. Believe it or not… many people have not seriously considered the second option. But those with a well-developed intuition (and who actually take Actualized . org teachings to heart) will understand why Interpretation #2 is more likely to be true. I can totally sympathize with Leo’s harsh treatment here. The guy clearly has no comprehension of Leo’s basic points… and then goes on to speak as if he’s some awakened sage “after you’re done awakening, remember to come home.” Haha. What an idiot. Solipsism is absolutely true. Obviously. It’s not even a matter of debate. It’s the most simple basic logic… You’re God. And you create Infinite Realities by dreaming yourself to be other things (other than Yourself). And then you forget that you have tricked yourself! Duh. You have to literally just sit and think about it for a few hours. ”How the fuck can any creation exist without Absolute solipsism?” Solipsism is the only metaphysical explanation that makes any sense. You know what makes absolutely no sense at all? Thinking that separate people and objects exist outside of your consciousness. How could that be?! Where would the separation occur? By what power could another thing be held as separate from you other than by the Ultimate Power of your own imagination? This is pretty clear. Get this first. Then, please remember that there are an effectively infinite amount of spiritual realms and phenomena that can be dreamed by your consciousness… that Leo doesn’t explicitly talk about (but probably has experienced or intuited on some level). Such as: - The existence of demons and various astral entities that can (and do) affect many peoples’ lives on Earth. They’re made of your consciousness, but they exist in the same way that a frog or a giraffe exists. A dream… but a real dream. They can oppress and even possess people on an energetic level (causing them to do terrible things). - The existence of angels, dragons, fairies, aliens, and other “higher density beings” that can (and do) affect the lives of humans here in Earth. (sounds crazy? I get it. I share some sources below where you can learn more) - Thought forms & energy pendulums (similar to entities) - Higher and lower realms of being and existing. From the most hellish and brutal realms of fire & ice to the most divine and beautiful landscapes of heavenly beings. - A completely different explanation of how the Earth was created (yes, it was your imagination… but if we are going to invent creation stories… there are much more interesting and spiritually-resonant ones than only “atoms & evolution.” Yup, they really exist (and they’re made of your consciousness). *if you want to learn more about these topics there are some seriously amazing books/audiobooks by the author “Fred Dodson” called Levels of Energy, Journey’s Through Spectral Consciousness, Clearing Entities, The Pleiades and Our Secret Destiny, Atlantis and the Garden of Eden and many more detailed explanations and descriptions of “other realms of consciousness.”* (none of which contradict Absolute Solipsism in any way shape or form) Your consciousness has the potential to imagine a radically different “contextual-field” where the existence of, say, spiritually advanced dragons, would make perfect sense to you… in the same way how the existence of Okapi’s, Pangolins, and Platipuses are real things that exist on Earth (and your context is able to accept them). You create reality by imagining contextual fields and then populating them with all sorts of drama, stories, and details. A lot of this stuff actually has been spoken about in ancient mystical traditions from all over the world… but you just don’t take it seriously because you think that they’re just superstitious stories. “Unscientific!” But, they really exist and can be experienced in Consciousness as you ascend your ego-development. AWAKENING IS THE END (and also the beginning of an infinite play of cool sh*t that goes way beyond what you see on the news).

Hyper idealistic solipsism is wrong. This is the main theme of this post. Before we get to that, I see some people on the forum getting surprised or confused about leo's recent remarks on Aliens consciousnesess. Him 'opening a portal inside his skull to a colorful Infinite Cartoon landscape full of striped and polka-dotted sentient Alien creatures doing cartwheeels, backflips, and helicoptering around.' then claming 'I have Awoken to an Infinite dreamscape of pure fun and Love!' This is nothing to be surprised about. Leo already made clear his 'complete awakening' is subscribing to the notion of 'mind only' sect of non duality. His psychedelic sessions make one thing clear: Non duality. But what it confused him is that 'MY mind is the only thing I can be sure of and reality is ONLY composed of the concoction of my mind. The figments of imagination are all there is and the same is true for every other imaginary human mind. There is no 'ultimate reality' DIFFERENT from what I see, observe, touch, feel, generate in my experience' See, all of this hyper idealistic solipsism arises out of the mistaken assumption he made at the start of his psychedelic explorations years ago. 'Nothing exists but MY mind' - He makes it sure that there is no ultimate reality OUTSIDE of 'my mind' and everyone is responsible for 'their' minds. You guys are 'stuck in yout own dreams' while 'I' have broken through alien levels of awakening AND no human on this earth could ever possibly conceive of. I guess not even when said people spend 20 years using 10x more 5 Meo Dmts Leo does. He must have this 'special' intuition skills very few people on this earth is even capable of. This is the current paradigm and worldview of Leo in the way that I can see and understand.Feel free to make it more accurate. I do know what he is talking about tho as someone who has ACTUAL meditation skills and has had many experiences with different psychedelics. --- The fact of the matter is actually even more profound than what Leo make it sound like. There is an ultimate reality BEYOND your human consciousness can EVER comprehend. I'm not talking about 'using psychedelics and attaining transhuman levels of understanding' like Leo. All the alien and mickey mouse and portal into my head sorta experiences are concoctions of your brain and mind. Just like this mainstream everyday reality of chairs and tables and couches are concoctions of one's mind as well. YOU CAN'T EXPERIENCE AND DIRECTLY COMPREHEND THE ULTIMATE REALITY (which is NOT only your personal solipsistic concoction) WITH YOUR EXISTING BRAIN AND PSYCHEDELICS AND MEDITATION TECHNIQUES. Full stop. Ever. What we do as spiritual practitioners with our psychedelics, meditations and whatnot is to get INSIGHTS and understandings INDIRECTLY (via inference and demolisihing of our mind created illusions) to get the MOST accurate and closest approximation to what Ultimate reality is like. Of course, Leo would object here and say 'There is no ultimate reality 'outside' of your personal mind' Of course, he would. But the problem is that just because you CAN'T access any reality DIRECTLY, DOESNT mean that that reality outside of your 'personal' mind and conscious experiences DOESNT exist. Leo's positions is akin to how someone would say 'This Eros planet doesnt exist. We can observe this earth, moon, venus etc but this eros planet you are talking about is a complete fiction of your mind. Why do you assume this Eros planet's existece. I don't observe such planet via telescopes' Well just because you 'dont observe' it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. We don't make an 'assumption' of an ultimate reality beyond our personal 'mind', Spiritual insights of emptiness, no self, impermanence and nothingness PROVIDES said inference necessary to know with absolute certainty that the reality that 'YOUR' personal mind is an absolute illusion and is your brain's 'best guess' at what this ultimate reality (which impinges on your mind and your mind is an intimately part of) might actually be like. But it is a complete farce. Your alien awakenings, mickey mouses and portals in to your head are fun little creations of your personal mind. But NOT what is ultimately true. Actually your human brain and your psychedelics CANT hope to directly perceive ultimate reality and 'Truth' Due to your strongly entrenched solipsistic way of perceiving reality, it will be challenging to accept what you value as 'complete awakening of aliens' is actually nonsensical but I do understand why you feel that way if you have such a solipsistic tendency within 'mind only' school of non duality. ---- You need to make actual arguments as to WHY for instance if a car (which is construct of your personal mind, right?) hits you with and your body flies away to god knows where. Or how you can't walk though walls. Those set of rules of consistency is NOT just how this 'dream' operates. It is a set of rules THAT IMPINGES on your personal mind and body. Those limitations are hard wired VIA the ultimate reality which is outside of your mind. If you assert no such limitations actually exists and you simply need to be 'more awake' to control the gravity and 'walking through walls' and whatnot, feel free to spend the rest of your life consuming 10.000 psychedelics in the hopes of actually making these work. You'll fail miserably and come to know the limitations of your mind only sect of non duality. --- Anyways, I can continue on but this is, in my opinion, where Leo is going the wrong path. There is no particular reason to be surprised or shocked as the signals of such a transformation to alien awakening and portals into my mind and 'I'm the most awakened being' on this planet were there prior to this transformation. Feel free to provide your arguments but this is not a criticism post actually. I just wanted to share how I view things. Much love,

Leo has slowly turned into a cautionary tale for the dangers of the spiritual ego. Notice how any attempt at challenging any of his conclusions is met with increasingly more extreme displays of either pure anger or an unwavering sense of superiority. This is sad and you wouldn't condone this kind of behavior from a child, let alone the self-titled only awakened man in the history of mankind. Find some fucking humility. You're not that special and you know far less than you think you do. This level of deception and arrogance has become pathetic. And while I'm not the first person to say this, nothing has changed.

Man, it is simple. He holds the belief that he surpasses all other beings in terms of awakening and claims that no one else in history has come close. When questioned about the basis of his belief, he often evades the question and provides vague responses like "it's beyond your understanding" or "CONSCIOUSNESS" or that this is not enlightenment but awakening, as if we were engaging in a mere play of semantics. He thinks anything in his experience is indicative of being more awakened than someone else. He continues to believe he is a doer or an 'achiever' of a super knowledge or understanding that mankind has never experienced before. He consistently delves into the contents of experience to assert his claim of being the most awakened being in the history of the universe. This is a huuge ego trip and it's so evident.

@Moksha Thanks for the response. Is it fair to say "the absolute" has no agenda and is unconcerned whether we are holy fools, un-awakened, or awakened? All roles are equal? For some reason, those of us on this forum feel a compulsion to awaken and that is our dharma? I get the feeling the Holy Fool and the Idiot Savant are the pinnacle achievement. They enjoy life and accept Maya. If I awaken, I will simply be a Holy Fool who knows he's a Holy Fool and embraces it and therefore I will be "the absolute?" It is a strange loop for a Holy Fool to realize he is a Holy Fool and then be "the absolute" as a Holy Fool. I guess I'm just asking what is the point of awakening? It's perfectly ok to remain un-awakened right? We all have our dharma? If we pursue awakening for egoic purposes or to end suffering, is that greedy and these motivations will derail us?

I find Jung to be a pretty deep and awakened thinker also, but maybe i'm projecting my own biases on him, i don't know. I especially find the idea of shadow work pretty helpful, and his metaphysics also seem to align with the metaphysics of mysticism, if we can read into him. But on a deeper account, i don't even know who i am, let alone knowing who Jung is ??

It is my personal experience. I can do the Eckhart Tolle thing and sit for hours on a park bench, with bliss flowing through my being by cutting off the self-contraction and resting in what is. Which I often do. I was doubting that when it started (it started before all insights into the nature of being were fully in place), doubting it just like you. And then it didn't stop, didn't get broken, even by really heavy blows. It has established its own momentum and force and continued ripening. Then later what I really am got confirmed by certain states/realizations beyond any possible doubt. If my character tries to do its old thing of grasping certain experiences (or avoiding others) and suffering while doing so, there is literally the choice to believe it or rest in Awakened Awareness (which brings its own bliss, and more that the sought for experience), and it is spotted very fast. Can my "character-thing" be improved? For sure it can. It has a long hang-over of self-contraction. But its ability to really reestablish the self-contraction (which blocks the flow of bliss/openness of Awakened Awareness states) with real belief in it and on an ongoing basis is structurally gone. Well, I am not going to convince you just by writing. But not writing it is also not an option. Ken Wilber once wrote that the obligation one has if one sees is to tell, or else the soul gets very sick. I would have no problem leaving the forum behind. Although I enjoy writing, I got many nice things to besides, and wouldn't miss it. But it would be the wrong thing to do. So, I kindly ask you to be at least agnostic to what I write. Be also honest why you wrote "be honest". I have the feeling there is something mildly annoying you in my writing. I can only invite you to try the path I walked, and described in many posts (Mahamudra/Dzogchen, mainly Pointing out the Great Way), or any other path, and see for yourself. There is a risk of establishing self-limiting beliefs when there is too much doubt in the reachability of the fruits of the path. Literally every tradition confirms this as the potential of every sentient being. I will continue posting mainly these old texts (because they show the universality of these realizations over the centuries). Sometimes telling about "ones own" experience is ok, but if one does it all the time, it can easily become self-importance boosting, or can come across as such. Bon voyage Water by the River

That is kundalini, chill, very normal, very healthy. Your consciousness was too high for your body so it had to level up. So the intelligence in your body was awakened and that is how kundalini feels.

https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=bliss&author=Water by the River I know. What kind of idiot would post a search link to his own posts about the topic of bliss And probably some won't like the following statements (because they implicitely nothing else than a call to action for practice/meditation of whatever form, because suffering can end): When resting in ones True Nature in certain awakened states, the psychological resistance (to what is) of suffering is gone. And these states can go from peak state, to plateau, to permanent. Bliss and love and compassion flow then from ones True Core. Every being, depending on its Karma, has at least to potential to do and realize that, this life or the next. At some point of the path one gets the choice to do exactly that, and one wouldn't contract again, because it becomes a choice. Sure one can get sad, or feel pain, hunger, whatever, but no resistance to it, no contraction, no closing down. "One" stays open, no resistance or psychological suffering added on top. It blows through ones Being like the wind. Adi Da called the separate self "self-contraction", which can be relaxed with love. Sellling Water by the River Ken Wilber on that: Ken Wilber, One Taste: "Monday, March 24. With the awakening of constant consciousness, you becomesomething of a divine schizophrenic, in the popular sense of “split-minded,” because you have access to both the Witnessand the ego. You are actually “whole-minded,” but it sounds like it’s split, because you are aware of the constant Witness or Spirit in you, and you are also perfectly aware of themovie of life, the ego and all its ups and downs. So you still feel pain and suffering and sorrow, but they can no longer convince you of their importance—you are no longer the victim of life, but its Witness. In fact, because you are no longer afraid of your feelings,you can engage them with much greater intensity. The movie of life becomes more vivid and vibrant, precisely because you are no longer grasping or avoiding it, and thus no longer trying to dull or dilute it. You no longer turn the volume down. You might even cry harder, laugh louder, jump higher. Choiceless awareness doesn’t mean you cease to feel; it means you feel fully, feel deeply, feel to infinity itself, and laugh and cry and love until it hurts. Life jumps right off the screen, and you are one with all of it, because you don’t recoil. If you are having a dream, and you think it’s real, it can get very scary. Say you are dreaming that you are tightropewalking across Niagara Falls. If you fall off, you plunge to your death. So you are walking very slowly, very carefully.Then suppose you start lucid dreaming, and you realize that it’s just a dream. What do you do? Become more cautious and careful? No, you start jumping up and down on the tightrope, you do flips, you bounce around, you have a ball—precisely because you know it isn’t real. When you realize it’s a dream, you can afford to play. The same thing happens when you realize that ordinary life is just a dream, just a movie, just a play. You don’t become more cautious, more timid, more reserved. You start jumping up and down and doing flips, precisely because it’sall a dream, it’s all pure Emptiness. You don’t feel less, you feel more—because you can afford to. You are no longer afraid of dying, and therefore you are not afraid of living.You become radical and wild, intense and vivid, shocking and silly. You let it all come pouring through, because it’s all your dream. Life then assumes its true intensity, its vivid luminosity, itsradical effervescence. Pain is more painful and happiness is happier; joy is more joyous and sorrow is even sadder. It all comes radiantly alive to the mirror-mind, the mind that doesn’t grasp or avoid, but simply witnesses the play, and therefore can afford to play, even as it watches. What would motivate you if you saw everything as the dream of your own highest Self? What would actually move you in this playful dream world? Everything in the dream is basically fun, at some deep level, except for this: when you see your friends suffering because they think the dream is real, you want to relieve their suffering, you want them to wake up, too. Watching them suffer is not fun. And so a deep and powerful compassion arises in the heart of the awakened ones, and they seek, above all else, to awaken others—and thus relieve them from the sorrow and the pity,the torment and the pain, the terror and the anguish that comes from taking with dreadful seriousness the passing dream of life. So you are a divine schizophrenic, you are “split-minded” in the sense that you are simultaneously in touch with both the pure Witness and the world of the ego-film. But that really means you are actually “whole-minded,” because these two worlds are really not-two. The ego is just the dream of the Witness, the film that the Witness creates out of its own infinite plenitude, simply so it will have something to watch at the movies. At that point the entire play arises within your own constant consciousness. There is no inside and no outside, no in here versus out there. The nondual universe of One Taste arises as a spontaneous gesture of your own true nature. You can taste the sun and swallow the moon, and centuries fit in the palm of your hand. The pure I-I, the greatI AMness, breathes to infinity and creates a Kosmos as the Song of its very Self, and oceans of compassion fall as tears from your very own Original Face. Last night I saw the reflection of the moon in a cool clear crystal pond, and nothing else happened."

Feelings are flowing words are rolling, transmission of the divine, allowing, without judging or over-analyzing, at the same time staying focused with the intention to keep the divine channel flowing, trusting myself as the highest authority of greatest wisdom that comes through my vessel from my higher self, my spiritual allies from higher dimensions and divine. This brings me joy, creative process becomes enjoyable, it is enjoyable to type these words and that is a gift that I am able to experience creativity in such beautiful way, creating for the sake of experiencing joy and sharing the beauty of that creativity with the world as a fountain of overflowing self love. Writing is a beautiful skill that I enjoy that has been devalued because of the fast-paced, information overloaded, instant gratification world that most people live in. Also, the relationship with the act of typing the words on the keyboard at the computer has been devalued because of so much of this kind of format information is available. The Internet is overloaded with typed up text of information. There is so much of it freely available, written by millions of people with different skill levels that even I, the one who has greatest wisdom have not approached sharing my most profound insights through this medium of typing text with a keyboard. Today is different, as I am typing these words I realize that I truly enjoy writing text in this way, at the computer, on my keyboard without pretending to enjoy, but really enjoying it. I can clearly see the obstacles that have been preventing me from writing so enjoyably and beautifully in the past. A new joy and excitement has just been awakened in me while writing this short journal entry. I am going to start writing and sharing myself through this type of medium that I truly enjoy. I will inspire others to write by teaching about unique value of every human being who has access to the computer and can write in this way. The key here is self-love, I am doing this because it brings me joy, I integrate my life's profound and powerful experiences and everything in between by telling my stroy with typed up text on a keyboard. I am also called to develop a loving relationship with the keyboard and the monitor, sitting position and being aware of how my body feels in the process. Making sure my hands are comfortable and it's painless to type, making sure I am aware of my breath, that I am well hydrated and drinking water as needed, that the temperature in the room is not too hot or cold, that all of my body's needs and wants are met so that it is enjoyable to write at the computer.

Really? First, know the sensations, emotions and thoughts that accompany all this. After all, this is really all about you. Even if I were God-realized or awakened or whatever, it'd still just be you reading this and, ideally, looking for more meaning and understanding about "you"... you the being, you the identified, you the machine. Let's take a second to look at what you posted... 1. "Seems to be more lower conscious types and less higher conscious types." I know you're proud, or at least content, with your contributions here, but look again. If you're complaining, and that is what you're doing, what are you bringing to the situation... higher consciousness or lower consciousness? Is this an effort by some i's to hang on to a tradition? Can you use this event to increase the quality of your posting? Maybe you need a break or a different venue to stimulate something new but it wont be change...it'll just be new stimulation showing you new material then with the possibility of change. And, I have to step out so I'll come back later. Let me know if you have any other questions because, honestly, even though you are sincere, which is beneficial, there's nothing really new or earth shattering in your comment. And why not? Because inner transformation is an Aim of esoteric study and what you did was complain and pontificate a little. That's not very conscious. Or transformational.

It's true the absolute sometimes chooses form solitude after realizing itself. Often though, it teaches and serves through the awakened form, to refine its experience through other forms.

Leo is not the most awakened human ever. It's possible he has reached the highest awakening. But it was temporary. His baseline or usual consciousness is NOT equal to his highest awakening. I don't intend to say what he spiritually accomplished is useless. I myself am interested in what he awakened to. I just need to clarify things.

War is a result of selfishness. The awakened has suffered so much from their own selfishness that they awaken to God. And then they realize the selfishness only brings pain in the end. It might bring some temporary pleasure, but selfishness can never be satisfied. It is the desire for this illusory satisfaction that is the cause for all the devilry in this world. But ultimate liberation will never be found there. This what an advanced civilization would look like. We are centuries away from that, if we don't destroy ourselves first. @Someone here your nature is to dream. You are an Infinite Mind. Dreaming is all there is.. And as far as reality - if God couldn't suffer as a mortal, God couldn't learn the lesson of selfishness. God has to experience what it's like to be mortal in order to ultimately realize it is God. It's a matter of forgetting and then remembering. It is a matter of understanding. God has to fully understand itself. It is a Mind.